How the Bills could allocate the rookie pool

[clumping platelets]

Bills rookie pool is $3,356,039. Assuming each draft choice is given rookie minimum (I'll get back to McGahee later) of $225,000, 8 draft choices x $225,000=$1.8 million. That leaves $1,556,039 for bonus amortization (actually any type of bonus).

Already had the following draft choices sign:

4) WR Aiken (rookie minimum salary and $274,000 signing bonus over 3 yrs, thus his bonus amortization is $91,333/yr)
5)OL Sobieski (rookie min. and $115,382 signing bonus over 3 yrs, thus his bonus amortization is $38,461)
6)DT Sape (rookie min. and $68,500 signing bonus over 3yrs, thus his bonus amortization is $22,833)

Undrafted rookie FAs count about $11,000, so if you add those 4 numbers up, you get $163,627. That leaves $1,392,412 for the remaining draft choices. I'll start with 7th rd pick LB Haggan and work to McGahee.

7) LB Haggan: likely to sign 3 yr deal for rookie min. salaries(225K, 305K, and 380K). Signing bonus approx. $37,320 over 3 yrs

$1,392,412
- 12,440
----------------
$1,379,972

4) CB McGee: many 4th rd picks are signing 4 yr deals w/ rookie min. salaries and I'll go that trend. Player drafted #117 rec'd s.b of $320,000 over 4 yrs. I'll give him $334,000 over 4 yrs ($83,500/yr)

$1,379,972
- 83,500
---------------
$1,296,472

3)LB Crowell: same here, 4 yrs w/ rookie minimums. Pick #92 rec'd $425,000, so I'll give Angelo $432,000 over 4 yrs ($108,000/yr)

$1,296,472
- 108,000
---------------
$1,188,472

2) DE Kelsay: may get 5 yr deal because 2 players after him have(ATL's DB Bryan Scott(signed) and MIA's LB Eddie Moore(soon) ). Scott rec'd $1.25 million signing bonus at pick #53, so I'll give Kelsay $1.4 million over 5 yrs ($280,000/yr) at pick #48 and I'll even start him off at a slightly higher salaries of $325,000, $365,000, $400,000, $475,000, and $500,000 for a total of $3.465 million. His additonal cap charge over the rookie minimum is $380,000

$1,188,844
- 380,000
---------------


$808,472<--------left over for McGahee

1) RB McGahee: he already counts $225,000 on rookie cap, so his cap hit can be $808,472 more. He's likely to be on PUP, so his salary is basically guaranteed for the season. However, I wouldn't give him any more than $500,000 salary. That's $275,000. I would also give him $75,000 workout bonus. So, that leaves $458,472. Multiply that number by 5 yrs and you get a signing bonus of $2,292,360. HOWEVER, I do not give him that whole amount. I would give him $1,750,000 in 2003 and spread that out over 5 yrs and then give him a 2004 roster bonus and option payment. $1.75 million signing bonus would be amortized at $350,000/yr, thus Bills would still have $108,472 available on the rookie cap. :)

Clear as mud :bravo:

[Ebenezer]

you need a woman...you have too much time...total conjecture...total mental masturbation...the contract could be drawn up in hundreds of ways...

[clumping platelets]

:rolleyes:


Geez welcome back :down:

[MDFINFAN]

How do you justify paying RB McGee so little, the Bills new he was injured when they drafted him in the 1st Rd at 23..that's where he should be paid at..if the bills didn't want to pay him at that rate, they shouldn't have drafted him that high...That's just plain wrong....Period.

[Dozerdog]

Does mental masturbation lead to premature conjecturation?

[clumping platelets]

He gets a 2 tiered bonus just like the #22 and #23 in 2002 and they were healthy. Instead of playing ALL the signing bonus up front, he gets some in 2004. I also have given him a $500,000 salary, which is more than some late #1's get. The split bonuses allows the Bills to also fit under the rookie cap.

He gets the same money, just in 2 seasons.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
Does mental masturbation lead to premature conjecturation?


in all cases.

[Dozerdog]

Originally posted by MDFINFAN
How do you justify paying RB McGee so little, the Bills new he was injured when they drafted him in the 1st Rd at 23..that's where he should be paid at..if the bills didn't want to pay him at that rate, they shouldn't have drafted him that high...That's just plain wrong....Period.

What's he going to do, hold out? He could sit and get paid while he heals, or he can sit and not get paid while he heals. He's not going to collect huge bucks when he is not playing.


Go pay your 6th round linebacker 2nd round money because the fins were too stupid and drafted him waaaay to high.

[Ebenezer]

even Drew Rosenhaus cannot beat the power of the force...er...Tom Donahoe.

[ryven]

Well that does kind of clear things up but if you look at todays article in the D&C it almost seems like we are waiting for McGahee first in order to sign the rest.

[clumping platelets]

I personally would do it the other way around so as not to screw the other draft picks.

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by Dozerdog


What's he going to do, hold out? He could sit and get paid while he heals, or he can sit and not get paid while he heals. He's not going to collect huge bucks when he is not playing.


Go pay your 6th round linebacker 2nd round money because the fins were too stupid and drafted him waaaay to high.

He maybe starting, and maybe you should go to one of our TC, see for yourself if it was too high, don't read the critic quote, go look for yourself, My only comment and Chump has clarified himself, was that you don't jerk someone, when you know the deal. If he was able to hide his injury from you, then yea, jerk him, because he jerked you first, but in this situation, I was stating my opinion, like it or not, I'm entitle to that, no matter what the Jerk$ff here may think. :pow: Now that I got that out of my system, thanks chump for the update.:teeth:

[ryven]

Personally Ilike your way of doing it the way discribed in the paper does make it sound like your screwing up the rest of the signing process. Atleast sign kelsay and crowell so we have good depth then go back and hammer away at McGahee but TD knows what he is doing so it's in his hands.

[clumping platelets]

Who's chump?


When I'm at your site, I always respect a person's username.......I expect the same respect from visitors :rolleyes:

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Who's chump?


When I'm at your site, I always respect a person's username.......I expect the same respect from visitors :rolleyes:

some people have no class cp...brush yourself off and come back fighting.

[clumping platelets]

Just wait until they read my "Cap Jail in 2004" article on FH :snicker:

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Who's chump?


When I'm at your site, I always respect a person's username.......I expect the same respect from visitors :rolleyes:

Oh! you caught that, thought I could sneak it though, plus I'm not a visitor, where ever I lay my hat is my home..I'm a PhinFan, we own every site we go to. :punk: But atlast, sorry Chump, opps, I mean Clump..

[clumping platelets]

Nobody, I mean, nobody, pushes us around in our house


What movie? (Eb is not allowed to answer this :lol: )

[bills/deacs]

Rudy

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Just wait until they read my &quot;Cap Jail in 2004&quot; article on FH :snicker:

BTW, when is this due out, I can't wait to see you get mack around, and you know you will be...:anvil:

[clumping platelets]

Originally posted by MDFINFAN


BTW, when is this due out, I can't wait to see you get mack around, and you know you will be...:anvil:


That's because you don't take off the rose-colored glasses and you(most Fins fans) don't understand the nuiances of the salary cap


Soon :)

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by clumping platelets



That's because you don't take off the rose-colored glasses and you(most Fins fans) don't understand the nuiances of the salary cap


Soon :)

Now Clump, when have I ever debated Salary numbers with you?
I don't do what you do, so I usually just read your numbers and thank you for the posts, then sit back and wait for the games to begins and you know what I'm talking about..:shades:

[clumping platelets]

Debate is futile :snicker:

Notice I said "most Fins fans".........

[RUDEbyallMEANS]

Originally posted by Dozerdog


What's he going to do, hold out? He could sit and get paid while he heals, or he can sit and not get paid while he heals. He's not going to collect huge bucks when he is not playing.


Go pay your 6th round linebacker 2nd round money because the fins were too stupid and drafted him waaaay to high.

So because this guy Eddie Moore doesn't get praised by the media, he's not a 2nd round pick?? You know nothing about the guy and nothing about the fact that 4 other teams were talking to him about choosing him in that same round but after Miami.. So Miami had either a choice of Eddie Moore or Anquin Boldin.. WR's were very deep and that is why Miami chose Moore.. Well, Cleveland, Tampa, Pittsburgh and the Jets didn't think he was chosen too high, they were the ones waiting to Moore to fall.. And look at who they picked afterwards.. Cleveland-OLB Chaun Thompson.. Jets- OLB Victor Hobson.. Pittsburgh- DE Alonzo Jackson.. Tampa Bay- DE Dewayne White.. You say Miami is way too stupid yet Miami never had a top 5 pick and still has more talent on their team than the Bills and are one of the top talented teams considering they had no losing seasons since the salary cap was brought in.. Let me think here, go by what Dozerdog said or go by the scouting team that drafted, Thomas, Surtain, Madison, Jason Taylor all after round one.. Hmmm.. It's a tough one.. :rolleyes:

HURRAH

[clumping platelets]

Sorry, Eddie Moore was a reach in rd 2 regardless of which of those teams selected him. That being said, Miami definitely needed depth at LB, so the pick of a LB high on draft day wasn't surprising.

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Sorry, Eddie Moore was a reach in rd 2 regardless of which of those teams selected him. That being said, Miami definitely needed depth at LB, so the pick of a LB high on draft day wasn't surprising.

Clump you don't know if he was a reach, only the games will tell that..The guys has been a winner all his life, as Rude said, do we trust you guys, or do we trust the FO that brought in Zach, JT, S. Madison, Pat Surtain, Ogunleye all after the first round..I think the scouting department was right on target, so far, based on his mini camps performances..we'll see, but for now, you really can't say he's not a 2nd rounder, look at Zach, he was a 5th rounder, did any body think starting him was stupid...bottom line we don't evaluate talent, scouts do, we comment after they get on the field.

[clumping platelets]

:huh:

Most of, if not all, of your FO had little or nothing to do with drafting those players mentioned. Wasn't that Jimmy Johnson?

:rolleyes:

[MDFINFAN]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
:huh:

Most of, if not all, of your FO had little or nothing to do with drafting those players mentioned. Wasn't that Jimmy Johnson?

:rolleyes:

Same scouting department, plus the same FO except for Speilman.

[RUDEbyallMEANS]

Originally posted by clumping platelets
Sorry, Eddie Moore was a reach in rd 2

According to who?? 5 teams that were planning on choosing Eddie Moore in round 2 wanted to make him the 4th OLB taken and felt that he was the 4th best OLB in the draft.. These are scouts for professional NFL teams that thought this.. So according to who was Eddie Moore a reach?? NFL fans?? Obviously 5 teams thought otherwise...

[clumping platelets]

Interesting that Miami fans criticize the Bills for selecting McGahee but you can't criticize their FO :rolleyes:

[TigerJ]

Let me see if I understand something. As I studied Clump's breakdown of compensation for McGahee, I only saw a salary # for this year and then signing bonus figures. I dont think it's at all unfair to pay even a first round pick a $500,000 salary and say 60% of a $1.75 million signing bonus. That would be over a million and a half for mostly rehabing and warming the bench. I'd take that. I'm assuming that his salary in the remaining 4 years of a 5 year deal goes up. What do you think would be a reasonable cost for the whole 5 year deal, Clump, Eb, MDFF?

[RUDEbyallMEANS]

Where did DozerDog go?? He spews bull out and runs?? What kind of stuff is that.... Dozer.. Back up what you say..