NHL 2014 summer activity.

[JATMtheJATM]

i thought a news and notes and rumors thread would be fun for the NHL offseason. just a general thread for trades and moves and whatnot.

heres the first.

the leafs are aggressively pursuing jumbo joe thornton from the sharks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24582825/nhl-rumors-maple-leafs-interested-in-sharks-joe-thornton

[coastal]

Don't know a lot about Thornton's game to be honest... just make Phaneuf part of the deal.

[JATMtheJATM]

the book on thornton is hes a big body and he gets alot of assists. hes also been a centerpiece on a dramatically under achieving sharks team for nearly a decade. in the playoffs.

[coastal]

Bozak better not be a part of that deal.. Kadri is useless so he can go.

Van Riemsdyk is my only untouchable on that squad.

[The King]

Lucic and Marchand might be in trade talks as well.

[coastal]

Lucic and Marchand might be in trade talks as well.
Lucic outside of the structure of Boston is scary.

[JATMtheJATM]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454454

apparently, the oilers are interested in jake gardner or kari.

bruins want iginla back.

[mightysimi]

Look for Kesler to be traded out of Vancouver as well.

[JATMtheJATM]

the oilers new arena, rogers place, is under construction.

[JATMtheJATM]

jason spezza requests trade. DO SOMETHING DARCY! I MEAN TIM!

[JATMtheJATM]

spezza submits list of 10 teams he doesnt want to be traded to. ottawa will almost surely trade spezza west.

[coastal]

Murray isn't bringing Spezza here.

[JATMtheJATM]

yeah, i know. it was a joke from all the "DO SOMETHING, DARCY!" cries we heard on deadline day or UFA opening day.

[The King]

Spezza and Thornton have huge cap hits for their production. Its going to be tough to find a spot for them never mind a contender.

[Downinfloflo]

Spezza would be an upgrade at the #1 center position for (15) NHL teams based off of last seasons numbers.

He would be an upgrade for just about everyone at the #2 center position.

A break from Ottawa would do a world of good for him, And they could find another guy to point their finger at.

The market is looking like it could be flooded with top talent on the block this off-season, Could drive prices down big time.

[The King]

I am hearing the Bruins are in talks with the Sharks for Marleau.

[JATMtheJATM]

the texas stars win the calder cup

canucks ask for permission to talk to rangers assistant coach (and former sabre assistant) scotty arniel about their coaching vacancy.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/canucks-interested-in-rangers-assistant-coach/

[swiper]

Bob McKenzie (https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/478629955752824832): The Avalanche sent Paul Stastny a multi-year offer a couple of weeks ago. There has been no talks since, but it’s expected they will start soon. Stastny has let it be known (https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/478632408606978048) that he wants to stay in Colorado, but would he take a hometown discount? Stastny’s last contract was for five years at $6.6 million per season. Guessing that the Avalanche would like it to be (https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/478633216085983232) worth less. He could get more on the open market.



Bob McKenzie (https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/478563389040373761): The Blackhawks have told Michal Handzus that he won’t be coming back next year. Will be a free agent.



Bob McKenzie (https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/status/478565831333261312): Looking like Senators free agent Stephane Da Costa will head to the KHL next season as the Senators wouldn’t offer him a one-way contract.



Steve Zipay (https://twitter.com/stevezipay/status/478568756755832832): Rangers Marc Staal is heading into the last year of his contract and is hoping to get an extension before the start of next season, but it’s “not end of the world” if it doesn’t happen.



Andrew Gross (https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/478571253411102720): Rangers defenseman Anton Stralman wants to return, but cites security for his family will be the top priority. The Rangers may not have the money to get it done.



Andrew Gross (https://twitter.com/AGrossRecord/status/478579769207160832): Pending UFA Brian Boyle will be looking for a bigger role than what the Rangers are offering.



Adam Vingan (https://twitter.com/AdamVingan/status/478588421271982080): Vingan wonders is pending UFA Tomas Vokoun would be interested in being the Capitals backup next season, reuniting with Barry Trotz and Mitch Korn.



William DePaoli (https://twitter.com/TIOPS_DePaoli/status/478609172989108225): The Penguins will reach out to their free agents that they are not interested in re-signing.

[JATMtheJATM]

david booth also put on waivers for a buy out. i wouldnt mind him as a reclamation project.

tootoo also waived from detroit.

[swiper]

Andy Strickland (https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/478941979779162112): P.K. Subban is looking for a bigger contract than the Blues gave Alex Pietrangelo, seven years and $45.5 million.



Jason Gregor (https://twitter.com/JasonGregor/status/479025856933679104): If P.K. Subban was only asking for $6.5 million, the Canadiens would have already signed him. Source said (https://twitter.com/JasonGregor/status/479026848441958400) a couple weeks ago that Subban’s camp asked for over $8 million a season.

[JATMtheJATM]

He's worth it, IMO.

[trapezeus]

subban struck me as a guy who is still very young. he is determined to go end to end when asked to like an adult rec league star. and he doesn't seem to know his body. there were times in that rangers game where he was gased and was still pushing to go end to end. and that made it that much easier to defend him.

on one hand, kudos to him doing whatever the team asks of him.

on the other, he isn't such a complete player that you can feel comfortable putting 10% of your cap into him. Perhaps he can grow into that and if the cap keeps growing, it'll be a good contract.

there was just something about how loose he carried the puck at times. and his skating was very much like the best kid in school who never followed any of the drills because he was a natural athlete. there was one game where he ran into the net without pressure. and i don't like how he takes his hand off the stick to touch the ice on some turns.

i'm not saying he isn't one of the better defensemen. I am saying i'd through that kind of money or more at doughtey. i would feel like i'm taking a little risk with subban.

[The King]

As long as the Bruins and Canadiens are rivals in the Atlantic they'll pay Subban, he's the perfect opponent for the Bruins.

[swiper]

Josh Cooper of the Tennessean (http://www.tennessean.com/story/predatorsinsider/2014/06/18/gaustad-predators/10692683/): Though Paul Gaustad is still in the Predators plans, even GM David Poile recognizes that he is better served on a good team than a bad team.
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“Paul does what he does. He’s a checking center, best in the league at faceoffs and penalty killing. To me this is the good and bad news. Paul Gaustad is way more effective when our team has a lead, way more effective on our team as a shutdown guy. Give us the leads in the third period and the leads out of the gate and I think his role is better.”

[swiper]

Hope Smoke (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479324848884154368): Doug MacLean: “It seems that right now Joe Thornton only really wants (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479324848884154368) to go to 1 team & that’s NY [Rangers]. That’s the scuttlebutt”




Hope Smoke (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479325252984397824): Nick Kypreos: “Joe’s [Thornton] interesting because he signed that extension & there is some talk that Wilson told him he isn’t going anywhere” … “Now he’s hearing (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479325361822396416) that he is being shopped. Is the push to move him [Thornton]? Ya, it is” … “When you make a commitment (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479325519960211457) to your GM to bring him back there’s only way you can go to show fans your progressing & moving forward and that’s to change the personnel (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479325613187010560)in your locker room.” … “Say what you will (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479325897288216576) about Joe. I look at Joe now at this point of his career & I put him in that Iginla category” … “The last thing Joe needs (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479326038728515584), & that’s why the Leafs aren’t an option, is for him to go to a team where he’s THE guy” … “I probably think a Stl situation is good for Thornton (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479326194576269312). They need to get bigger. They can’t compete with just Backes”




Hope Smoke (https://twitter.com/Hope_Smoke/status/479326463791861760): Doug MacLean: “In NY Thornton would have to be the guy. Stepan’s a good #2 and Brassard is a real good #3″

[JATMtheJATM]

rangers buy out richards.

[JATMtheJATM]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sources-blackhawks-vs-caps-in-winter-classic/

caps/bhawks winter classic. this will be the caps second outdoor game. hawks third.

[swiper]

Jim Matheson (https://twitter.com/NHLbyMatty/status/479759727652786176): If the Oilers were looking to trade David Perron, it would be because it’s a workable contract at $3.8 million for teams that have extra defenseman. Buffalo would be an example.

[JATMtheJATM]

perron for ehrhoff? id do it in a heartbeat.

[Downinfloflo]

perron for ehrhoff? id do it in a heartbeat.

A 26 year old 30 goal scorer with a 3m dollar contract for Erhoff?

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rangers buy out richards.

To bad his body can't handle the NHL.

He'll be a good coach one day.

[JATMtheJATM]

A 26 year old 30 goal scorer with a 3m dollar contract for Erhoff?

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To bad his body can't handle the NHL.

He'll be a good coach one day.

you are forgetting ehrhoffs cap hit is very team friendly, and hes a second pairing d-man at worst. yes, a team like the oilers would probably welcome an ehrhoff type player with open arms.

also, perron has never scored 30 goals in a season. came close, but hasnt done it.

[Downinfloflo]

you are forgetting ehrhoffs cap hit is very team friendly, and hes a second pairing d-man at worst. yes, a team like the oilers would probably welcome an ehrhoff type player with open arms.

also, perron has never scored 30 goals in a season. came close, but hasnt done it.

No it's not....It's for 10 years and anyone who trades for him has the threat of a recapture penalty hanging over their heads.

Perron had 28 goals last year.

[trapezeus]

brad richards must be the happiest guy in NYC today. HE's getting like $50MM upfront for 3 years of work.

if i may advise him, his best bet is to move to a contender like the kings for $1MM-2MM for a 2 year contract, get the healthy scratch for half the season, get let loose in March as a 3rd line/4th line center, play the minimum needed to be engraved on the cup, and then kick back into retirement as you date the hollywood elite actresses.

[JATMtheJATM]

28 goals isn't thirty. Its close but it isn't 30.

[JATMtheJATM]

Also, the recapture penalties go to the team that signed him. Cap geek has a calculator on it.

So a second pairing dman on a team with weak defense for a second line winger. Seems like a fair deal.

[JATMtheJATM]

hartnell to columbus. umberger and a pick back to philly.

[JATMtheJATM]

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455502

jackets are now in the trading for assets stage of their rebuild. that team is going to be a good one this year, i think.

[trapezeus]

did i miss something on hartnell? he's good, strong agitator with some scoring in him. why'd philly give up on him? are they starting a rebuild?

[JATMtheJATM]

What are the contracts? Maybe that relieves their cap pressure?

[DetDannyWilliams]

hartnell to columbus. umberger and a pick back to philly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0g6YlJRwaU

:sorry: I just had TO DO IT!

[swiper]

What's up with this Hartnell for Umberger trade? Has Philly lost it? Why would they ever make such a trade? It makes no sense on the surface.


The Philadelphia Flyers have traded forwardScott Hartnell to the Columbus Blue Jackets for forward R.J. Umberger and a 2015 4th round pick.

The 32-year old Hartnell was drafted 6th overall in the 2000 draft by the Nashville Predators. Hartnell has five years left on his contract totaling $22.5 million and a cap hit of $4.75 million.

The 32-year old Umberger was drafted 16th overall in the 2001 draft by the Vancouver Canucks. Umberger has three years left on his contract totaling $13.5 million and a cap hit of $4.6 million.

Thoughts from media:


Dan Rosen (https://twitter.com/drosennhl/status/481111212256940032): “I can’t rationalize this on what we know. Maybe Hartnell begged for a trade. Maybe the Flyers wanted him gone. Maybe….just maybe.”




Elliotte Friedman (https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/481110624265449472): “No salary retention for either team in CLB/PHI trade…clean break both ways”




Chris Johsnton (https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/481110151777116160): “It’s worth noting that Scott Hartnell waived a no-movement clause to join #CBJ.”




Dan Rosen (https://twitter.com/drosennhl/status/481108255175757825): “I can’t describe the reasoning behind this deal from the Flyers perspective. I have to dive into some details but on surface I don’t get it.”




Justin Bourne (https://twitter.com/jtbourne/status/481108144995594240): “You do have to respect Philly’s decision to get appreciably worse for the same cap hit tho”




Gus Katsaros (https://twitter.com/KatsHockey/status/481107823523536896): “Hartnell relies on brute strength to power his way to the net instead of a finesse approach. That’s going to wear down with age.”




Nicholas W. Goss (https://twitter.com/NickGossNESN/status/481107807887163392): “I like the Hartnell-Umberger trade from the Flyers perspective. Hartnell’s contract was only going to get worse.”




David Pagnotta (https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/481106963728588801): “Nice move for the Jackets… Hartnell should win over the Columbus crowd pretty easily.”




Joe Yerdon (https://twitter.com/JoeYerdonPHT/status/481106112121675776): “I know Umberger played well in Philly before but this just has all the makings of there being another move coming. This on its own is odd.”




Joe Yerdon (https://twitter.com/JoeYerdonPHT/status/481105697049161729): “Hartnell is the better player in this by a long shot. I’m lost on this one.”
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Sean Gentille (https://twitter.com/seangentille/status/481105675079389185): “Umberger is way worse than Hartnell, but he’s signed for two less years. This is so tough!”

[swiper]

Gare Joyce (https://twitter.com/GareJoyceNHL/status/481280025065316353): The Jets and Canucks have made series plays for the Panthers 1st overall and Sabres 2nd overall pick.

[JATMtheJATM]

big news from yzerman and co this morning.

the ning sign callahan to a 6 year deal
the ning also buy out ryan malone.

[JATMtheJATM]

oilers trade for nikitins rights from the jackets.

[JATMtheJATM]

gabby with a long extension 7 years with the kings.

[JATMtheJATM]

now kings resign matt greene from grand ledge michigan to a 4 year deal. kings also will not buy out richards.

[swiper]

Adrian Dater (https://twitter.com/adater/status/481828810954797056): The Rangers have called about Paul Stastny.



Larry Brooks (https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/481914729997565952): Source saying the Rangers haven’t inquired about Paul Stastny. They don’t have the salary cap space.

[swiper]

Michael Russo of the Star-Tribune (http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/264685381.html#7JDulwx4U4xxC8Ow.97): Wild GM Chuck Fletcher has contacted at least the agents for Matt Niskanen, Willie Mitchell, Thomas Vanek and Paul Stastny. If Vanek wants to come to Minnesota, he may have to take a one- to three- year deal. The Wild have significant interest in Niskanen. Niskanen will want a long-term deal, likely north of $5 million. The Wild have many young players that will need new deals in a couple years, so they’ll have to watch what they spend.



Pierre LeBrun (https://twitter.com/Real_ESPNLeBrun/status/482163188759158785): The Wild were among the teams that called on Thomas Vanek.

[swiper]

Harvey Fialkov (https://twitter.com/hfialkov/status/482124793089519616): The offers are pouring in for the Panthers first overall pick.



Gary Lawless (https://twitter.com/TIOPS_DePaoli/status/481941747941908480): The Flyers (most agressive), Maple Leafs, Canucks and Flames are all trying to move up.



Todd Cordell (https://twitter.com/ToddCordell/status/481922194583212032): Darren Dreger said that the Oilers third overall pick is in play, as well as Sam Gagner.



Todd Cordell (https://twitter.com/ToddCordell/status/481922518144389120): Bob McKenzie said the Canucks are trying to trade up to the first overall pick.

[swiper]

Ryan Kesler is going to screw himself by limiting his list:


McKenzie: Ryan Kesler’s list has six teams, with the Ducks and Blackhawks the most interested at this time. Nothing is imminent. The Ducks and Blackhawks may feel they are the only two teams in the running, therefore not offering as much as they would if more teams were involved. Canucks won’t deal him unless they get what they want.

But a lot of other moves on hold waiting to see if/where he goes. The Ducks want him, but may go for Spezza:




Eric Stephens of the OC Register (http://www.ocregister.com/ducks/spezza-627186-kesler-ryan.html): The Ducks want either Ryan Kesler or Jason Spezza. Trade talks have been ongoing.

TSN Insider Trading (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455711): McKenzie: Jason Spezza talk has picked up in the last 24-48 hours, with four teams talking to the Sens. Three teams from the West including the Blues and Ducks.


Once Kesler finds a new home the dominoes will start falling.

[Ginger Vitis]

Calgary wants to get to 2nd overall to take Leon Draisatl.. Or Brian Burke is trying to mind**** the Oilers who are supposedly in love with Draisatl. And I don't get it not a big fan of DraisaitlI think he has a history of not playing well in "big" games

[swiper]

Calgary wants to get to 2nd overall to take Leon Draisatl.. Or Brian Burke is trying to mind**** the Oilers who are supposedly in love with Draisatl. And I don't get it not a big fan of DraisaitlI think he has a history of not playing well in "big" games

If you listen to the draft podcast at wgr, the guy from central scouting says he wouldn't be shocked to see Draistail go 1st overall.

[coastal]

If you listen to the draft podcast at wgr, the guy from central scouting says he wouldn't be shocked to see Draistail go 1st overall.
And then Ekblad goes to us...

[Dr. Lecter]

And then Ekblad goes to us...

Or gets the Sabres a great return in a trade

[swiper]

Or gets the Sabres a great return in a trade

Maybe we should be working on getting Calgary's #1 pick in 2015.

[JATMtheJATM]

berglund re-ups with the blues.

[trapezeus]

constantly trading for a future that never comes isn't fun. we know next year has a lot of pain involved. why extend that pain or not take the risk now on getting a #2 pick for a future pick.

to me, if you get a guy who is 23-24 and developping well, it helps faster than waiting for ekblad or reinhart to get up to speed. but we have time. i think the fan base knows this is a 3 year project at minimum.

but i do love crazy headlines. so i'll get on board with whatever.

[JATMtheJATM]

constantly trading for a future that never comes isn't fun. we know next year has a lot of pain involved. why extend that pain or not take the risk now on getting a #2 pick for a future pick.

to me, if you get a guy who is 23-24 and developping well, it helps faster than waiting for ekblad or reinhart to get up to speed. but we have time. i think the fan base knows this is a 3 year project at minimum.

but i do love crazy headlines. so i'll get on board with whatever.

im thinking 2 more years of bad hockey, this year being really tough. the 16-17 season, after another high pick, i think the youth will really accelerate and we will see a much more skilled and cohesive hockey team. but 14-15 is going to be really tough, and 15-16 isnt going to be much better.

[trapezeus]

i agree with your assessment, but in my dream scenario,

1. our #2 pick this year is hot out the gate. develops chemistry with some underwhelming pieces currently on the team, they setup a nice #2 line and #3 line.
2. the sabres still continue to struggle without a true #1 line, and cannot score goals. but since they signed no one of consequence this year in FA, they have plenty of cap space to use on FA in 15-16.
3. Neuvirth or another young goalie shows promise as the season wears on. HE gets better in the second half of the season, but isn't good enough to offset the lack of scoring. It allows the goalie to become the top goalie in 15-16.
4. based on the above, key young players get seasoned and develop good chemistry in key spots in line 2-4. The 1st rounders look to get better and become legit 1st liners. the defense gets used to their pairings and developed in 14-15. The goalie situation looks good and is ready to take off the following. This allows the mcdavid draft and the isle pick to rocket the sabres forward in 15-16.
5. they take a top notch FA for signature #1 center and provide some leadership and pizazz.

this makes the team relevant for 15-16. I really would like to avoid more than one more playoff-less season in the rebuild.

i know this relies on every single thing going right, but i think nolan's talents are with young hungry kids and some vets who felt passed over. he will get the most out of them.

[JATMtheJATM]

kesler to anahiem for sbisa, first, and bonino.

[JATMtheJATM]

sam gagner moved twice in two hours. hes in arizona now. purcell to the oil. thats a good move for the oilers.

[JATMtheJATM]

mcbain not qualified by the sabres, conacher still in the air. might as well bring conacher back. project player in a down year. why not?

[SkateZilla]

Conacher is UFA

[Dude]

Dallas trades Alec Chiasson, Alex Guptill, Nicholas Paul and 2nd round pick in 2015 to Ottawa for Jason Spezza and Ludvig Karlsson.

[Dude]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>TRADE ALERT: The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sabres?src=hash">#Sabres</a> acquire defenseman Josh Gorges from <a href="https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL">@CanadiensMTL</a> in exchange for a 2nd round pick in 2016 (acquired from <a href="https://twitter.com/mnwild">@mnwild</a>).</p>&mdash; Buffalo Sabres (@BuffaloSabres) <a href="https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/statuses/484011274985275392">July 1, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[JATMtheJATM]

san jose trades stuart to aves.

[JATMtheJATM]

Sabres make a small trade for a college star. Samuel Thomas. 6 foot 3. Like the size.

[JATMtheJATM]

leddy and boychuck to islanders today. decent moves.

[coastal]

Desperate mgmt.

[JATMtheJATM]

Desperate mgmt.

they are good third pairing d-men. they help, but it isnt going to move them that much.

you are right though, very desperate management. the missed badly on vanek and the team got a little better this offseason. i still think they finish bottom 10.

[swiper]

they are good third pairing d-men. they help, but it isnt going to move them that much.

you are right though, very desperate management. the missed badly on vanek and the team got a little better this offseason. i still think they finish bottom 10.

Really? Want to reconsider that? ROFL.

[JATMtheJATM]

Really? Want to reconsider that? ROFL.

Not yet. They've coughed up some leads lately. I don't feel confident their defense and goaltending can hold up. Maybe not top 10, but I think they still come down to earth.