leino likely to be bought out, murray talks draft

[JATMtheJATM]

http://www.wgr550.com/Sabres--Murray-talks-buyouts--the-draft--analytics/19208171


see ya, ville.

i dont think anyone is surprised.

[coastal]

I can play pro hockey too

[swiper]

This is a surprise to no one.

[Skooby]

The sun rises in the east as well.

[trapezeus]

is there a date they have to wait for? why wasn't this done already? i assume I am missing something.

[DetDannyWilliams]

is there a date they have to wait for? why wasn't this done already? i assume I am missing something.

The buyout period starts either June 15th or 48 hours after the Stanley Cup Finals end and runs through June 30th

[OpIv37]

I don't like that "likely" piece because it leaves open the possibility that he may not be bought out.

The guy is useless.

[JATMtheJATM]

leino was placed on waivers, which means he will be bought out. vogl says it is a compliance buy out, but so far, i havent seen that anywhere else.

[Yasgur's Farm]

550 confirms waived and buyout if he clears waivers

[don137]

Makes sense. Now they have one more buyout to use. If they use it my guess it will be from a trade where they picked up a player and a better draft pick. Toronto, Chicago, Philly and Montreal I believe are the teams that have used both. Toronto has Clarkson, Chicago has Hossa and Philly has Lecavalier. All three are over paid and their team could be desperate to free up cap space.

[Yasgur's Farm]

There was talk yesterday about the Sabres offering 2nd round picks for other teams heavy salaried vets and 1st's... Presumably helps the close the $14M needed to get to cap floor

[swiper]

Who's not ready to close the book on this guy?

I wonder if he plays in the NHL next season. Any guesses as to where he lands?

[SkateZilla]

One of the smaller leagues overseas....

[BuffaloWingEater]

Who's not ready to close the book on this guy?

I wonder if he plays in the NHL next season. Any guesses as to where he lands?

europe.....where he belongs.

[BuffaloWingEater]

Makes sense. Now they have one more buyout to use. If they use it my guess it will be from a trade where they picked up a player and a better draft pick. Toronto, Chicago, Philly and Montreal I believe are the teams that have used both. Toronto has Clarkson, Chicago has Hossa and Philly has Lecavalier. All three are over paid and their team could be desperate to free up cap space.

which is the lesser cancer?

[SkateZilla]

official...

good riddance.... instantly a better team...

[DetDannyWilliams]

CapGeek ‏@capgeek · 13m
#Sabres will have lowest cap payroll in the league following Leino buyout — just $34.4M for 15 players. Can spend $4.585M per opening (based on a $71.1M cap)


CapGeek ‏@capgeek · 17m
#Sabres 30th-ranked cap payroll of $34.4M is actually $4.6M lower than the 29th-ranked #Flames. No other team below $40M right now.

[JATMtheJATM]

They will get a few players with larger contracts through trade or free agency. Looking to see what though.

[The Jokeman]

They will get a few players with larger contracts through trade or free agency. Looking to see what though.

Paul Stastny seems like a logical choice as he's an UFA and the Avalanche have a wealth of centerman so they won't overpay for him but we can afford to do so. As he has a good history with Chris Stewart and to me a top line of CoHo, Stasny and Stewart isn't half bad with a second line of Armenia, Ennis and Stafford. As Stasny could could $8M against the cap. Maybe we can then overpay for a veteran 2nd line/3rd winger like Devin Setoguchi like $3-4M a season and find a veteran backup/starter G Thomas Greiss to a two year deal worth $1-3m to get us closer to the floor and at the same times improve a little but likely not enough to not be out of the lottery next year. Maybe we can also trade for two of our 2nds and get an overpaid 3rd liner/goon and 1st round pick.

[DetDannyWilliams]

The Colorado Avalanche are hoping to avoid another lengthy holdout with Ryan O’Reilly – electing to take him to arbitration. [TSN] (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454904).
If the Buffalo Sabres were hoping to sign O’Reilly to an offer sheet, under the new CBA they still can. Colorado wants the arbitration hearing because O’Reilly is ending the two year deal that he signed with the Calgary Flames before the lockout season of 2012-2013. Colorado matched the offer sheet, and paid a very expensive price tag.
The offer sheet could come into play again, as the qualifying offer for the Avalanche to retain his rights is 6.5 million dollars. The Avalanche have to be hoping an arbitrator is on their side.

http://www.chatsports.com/buffalo-sabres/a/Buffalo-Sabres-Daily-Robyn-Regehr-Ryan-OReilly-Terry-Pegula-2-9978704

[Downinfloflo]

The Colorado Avalanche are hoping to avoid another lengthy holdout with Ryan O’Reilly – electing to take him to arbitration. [TSN] (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454904).
If the Buffalo Sabres were hoping to sign O’Reilly to an offer sheet, under the new CBA they still can. Colorado wants the arbitration hearing because O’Reilly is ending the two year deal that he signed with the Calgary Flames before the lockout season of 2012-2013. Colorado matched the offer sheet, and paid a very expensive price tag.
The offer sheet could come into play again, as the qualifying offer for the Avalanche to retain his rights is 6.5 million dollars. The Avalanche have to be hoping an arbitrator is on their side.

http://www.chatsports.com/buffalo-sabres/a/Buffalo-Sabres-Daily-Robyn-Regehr-Ryan-OReilly-Terry-Pegula-2-9978704

Sabres would loose a bunch of draft picks including this years 1st and next years.

[swiper]

They will get a few players with larger contracts through trade or free agency. Looking to see what though.

Kind of beats the purpose of the rebuild, doesn't it? Bringing in over-priced vets who will have to get ice time that some of the young players could be getting. And then there's the issue of such a vet wanting to come here. Was it Regher that took some work to get here?

[The Jokeman]

Kind of beats the purpose of the rebuild, doesn't it? Bringing in over-priced vets who will have to get ice time that some of the young players could be getting. And then there's the issue of such a vet wanting to come here. Was it Regher that took some work to get here?

It does but doesn't as entry level contracts are very small. Whereas you have to pay for proven talent. Look at Myers, he counted only $1.3M against the cap his first three seasons and then jumped up to %5.5M his fourth season. In terms of that 3rd line player instead of making a trade we could also pursue Steve Ott, Yet I brought up the trade idea as seems like Murray hinting he might be willing to parlay some of our 2nds for an over priced player from another team and 1st Round pick back. It makes sense if we can get a guy that can add a 2nd/3rd line player to rent for a season or two to keep us at the cap floor while we develop someone like Hudson Fasching.

[swiper]

I know Steve Ott liked the Sabres. And he's from nearby. But he played on a good team with the Blues. If the money were equal, why would he come to play in Buffalo over St. Louis? St. Louis will make the play-offs next year, the Sabres won't. What veteran would want to come here? That's likely why Murray is trying to sell his other compliance buy-out. He's going to have trouble making the floor otherwise. Maybe he can sign Yashin. LOL.

[JATMtheJATM]

I like O'Reilly. I wouldn't lose any firsts for him.

[JATMtheJATM]

Kind of beats the purpose of the rebuild, doesn't it? Bringing in over-priced vets who will have to get ice time that some of the young players could be getting. And then there's the issue of such a vet wanting to come here. Was it Regher that took some work to get here?

Not really. There are reasons these players are bad contracts and teams want to rid themselves of them. Plus, its going to take more then a few vets to negate the rebuild.

[Dr. Lecter]

If the Sabres give Stastny 8 million per, that deal will be worse than the Leino deal.

[tampabay25690]

If the Sabres give Stastny 8 million per, that deal will be worse than the Leino deal.

Tom I don't see this is Murrays style so I wouldn't worry...

[trapezeus]

TB, what's the scoop that you are hearing? you always have the juicy gossip. don't hold back on us.

[OpIv37]

If the Sabres give Stastny 8 million per, that deal will be worse than the Leino deal.

Even if they get a first rounder for him in a trade? Or is he UFA?

They are going to be almost $20 mil below the cap floor after the Leino buyout so they have to spend on something.

[tampabay25690]

TB, what's the scoop that you are hearing? you always have the juicy gossip. don't hold back on us.

Honestly nothing... But I haven't asked either wanted my buddy to enjoy some family time.
Things are much quieter after TM go there..

Only thing I know is a possible OTT return.. Need some leaders in the Locker room for this young team.
Don't count out Ryan either unless he gets a fat deal out west...

[tampabay25690]

I would like to see Matt Moulson and Callahan brought in..

[Dr. Lecter]

Even if they get a first rounder for him in a trade? Or is he UFA?

They are going to be almost $20 mil below the cap floor after the Leino buyout so they have to spend on something.


I think he is an UFA and will likely get a long term deal, so it is not just this year they will have the cap hit.

[OpIv37]

I think he is an UFA and will likely get a long term deal, so it is not just this year they will have the cap hit.

If that's the case then I agree it would be Leino stupid. We are a long time from winning anything and $8 mil a year for a vet multi- year contract doesn't help. It just makes it harder to lock up any of the youth long-term and/or bring in top notch FA's in a couple years when the team is ready to compete.

That being said, it's probably irrelevant because Stasny probably wants to go to a winner instead of playing babysitter to a bunch of kids who aren't going to win **** anytime soon.

[Downinfloflo]

If the Sabres give Stastny 8 million per, that deal will be worse than the Leino deal.

No kidding, The Sabres would loose their next four 1st round draft picks.

[Dr. Lecter]

No kidding, The Sabres would loose their next four 1st round draft picks.

Stastny is an UFA, not a RFA

[JATMtheJATM]

Stastny is an UFA, not a RFA

bingo.

[Downinfloflo]

Stastny is an UFA, not a RFA

My bad....I was on O'Reilly.

Stats want's to stay, May even take a discount to do so, Plus there will be playoff teams interested in him if he don't.

[JATMtheJATM]

i dont think the sabres are going to extend an offer sheet to oreilly. murray knows his ticket is the draft. hes not going to sell the farm on oreilly.

[Downinfloflo]

i dont think the sabres are going to extend an offer sheet to oreilly. murray knows his ticket is the draft. hes not going to sell the farm on oreilly.

Yeah....The "RFA" status leaves out a lot of teams.

Evander Kane could be moved, He needs out of that place, And I think once he is out, He's going to flourish.

He's not happy with life in the Peg (Can't blame him) and his game is suffering.

He also has a great contract.

[JATMtheJATM]

Yeah....The "RFA" status leaves out a lot of teams.

Evander Kane could be moved, He needs out of that place, And I think once he is out, He's going to flourish.

He's not happy with life in the Peg (Can't blame him) and his game is suffering.

He also has a great contract.

i like kane alot. id love for the sabres to make a move to get him. but i dont think the sabres have what it would take to get him, or risk breaking the rules of a rebuild. the sabres cant give up major future assets, and dont really have many current assets to give.

[The Jokeman]

If the Sabres give Stastny 8 million per, that deal will be worse than the Leino deal.
How so? He made 6.5 last year with the Avalanche and they're trying to get him for the same price. To me $8m is market value. I know he's not top line in Colorado and might not be on many teams but here he would be. Toss in he'd get us close to the cap floor getting more money than less. His averaged 0.81 points per game in his career and can log between 18-20 minutes a game and can be a PP specialist and borderline top line C until we draft one. Best of all he's still not 30. Again I'm looking to bring in guys that can improve our talent but not put us out of the lottery talk in 2015. What moves would you make if you're pretending to be Murray?

[The Jokeman]

I would like to see Matt Moulson and Callahan brought in..

I liked what Moulson did his time here but have a feeling he going to want to play elsewhere. A return to Long Island/Brooklyn might happen but wouldn't be shocked to see him sign with a top 10 team too.

[don137]

The rumor according to hockey buzz is Moulson wants to go back to Buffalo. I take it with a grain of salt but he seemed to like Buffalo so it would not surprise me.

[The Jokeman]

The rumor according to hockey buzz is Moulson wants to go back to Buffalo. I take it with a grain of salt but he seemed to like Buffalo so it would not surprise me.

I'd welcome him back with open arms. He played well here and doesn't look like a guy who'd break the bank to re-sign. Yet if had to chose between Moulson versus Statsny I'd take the latter because he's a better talent and honestly that's what this team needs more of especially for guys who can contribute offense and ultimately it be better if we can get both.

[tampabay25690]

The rumor according to hockey buzz is Moulson wants to go back to Buffalo. I take it with a grain of salt but he seemed to like Buffalo so it would not surprise me.

Not a rumor..
He knew going to Buffalo last year what may happen before deadline.
He liked Buffalo a lot.

[tampabay25690]

Not a rumor..
He knew going to Buffalo last year what may happen before deadline.
He liked Buffalo a lot.

Let's face it the Sabres will need to be very active.
They have some cash to spend.
Look for Ennis getting a deal done soon 4-5 mill per..

[JATMtheJATM]

Let's face it the Sabres will need to be very active.
They have some cash to spend.
Look for Ennis getting a deal done soon 4-5 mill per..

i like ennis, but hes a second liner, at best. 4 or 5 mil per seems a little high. i mean, i know he can produce more with more talent around him, something the sabres are short of right now thats NHL ready, but still. seems high.

[tampabay25690]

i like ennis, but hes a second liner, at best. 4 or 5 mil per seems a little high. i mean, i know he can produce more with more talent around him, something the sabres are short of right now thats NHL ready, but still. seems high.

2nd line guys get that all the time.
Cody is a GOOD 2nd line guy and go around the same $$$ remember cap went up so that means salaries go up as well...

Since Basketball is done and Hockey is done I will get some more scoop...
Don't be surprised at all if the SABS make a move for another GOALIE, thoughts are maybe Enroth is not a everyday goalie but a very good 2nd option. So its being tossed around...

Also the believe Eklund is 1st player gone and they will have there pick of Bennett and Reinhart. Definitely leaning on Reinhart.

How do u put PICS in a post??
Wanted to show you a little present I got from Ryan when back from the Olympics.

[swiper]

Copy and paste the photo's URL between this:

[JATMtheJATM]

Kinda funny I was talking about perron earlier. Ennis has a higher career PPG over perron.

[tampabay25690]

Yeah....The "RFA" status leaves out a lot of teams.

Evander Kane could be moved, He needs out of that place, And I think once he is out, He's going to flourish.

He's not happy with life in the Peg (Can't blame him) and his game is suffering.

He also has a great contract.

He is a definite target for Sabs...
22 and his best is yet to come..
A guy like Tyler Myers to be dangled since the Sabs have a very young bright future at defense.
A winger would be great in return

[JATMtheJATM]

If it was Kane in the deal, I assume something else would come back with him?

[Downinfloflo]

If it was Kane in the deal, I assume something else would come back with him?

Not if it's only Myers.

Sabres may even have to add...

[JATMtheJATM]

yeah, i dont think so.

[tampabay25690]

Not if it's only Myers.

Sabres may even have to add...

Late pick if anything!
I would be fine with a Myers for Kane swap!

[The Jokeman]

Late pick if anything!
I would be fine with a Myers for Kane swap!

You know they're referencing Evander Kane right and not Patrick? I mean the kid has had one 30 goal season but outside that nothing crazy. At best he's slightly better than Drew Stafford and not worth losing Myers over.

[coastal]

Losing Myers for just Kane straight up would be DUMB.

They'd have to throw in at least their first round pick this year for me to think about that swap.

[JATMtheJATM]

You know they're referencing Evander Kane right and not Patrick? I mean the kid has had one 30 goal season but outside that nothing crazy. At best he's slightly better than Drew Stafford and not worth losing Myers over.

i like kanes talent and youth, but hes been pretty inconsistent (as has myers) and that consistency may get better with age. as we are seeing with myers.

the thing about myers is he has franchise d-man talent. but he has brain farts. alot. under nolan, we saw his game aggressively change, with him being more physical. and it paid off. myers became more consistent on D, and as a result, his offense ticked up. we saw flashes of that franchise D. i have to think that another year brings more development. hes still young, so theres time.

hes the type of player you dont lose on a gamble, and kane, at this point, is a gamble. it could work out wonderfully. but myers has all the tools to be a star d-man. id ask for more then kane for that potential.

[DetDannyWilliams]

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[DetDannyWilliams]

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Buffalo Sabres General Manager Tim Murray joins NHL Live to discuss the team's off-season plans. ...

[Downinfloflo]

i like kanes talent and youth, but hes been pretty inconsistent (as has myers) and that consistency may get better with age. as we are seeing with myers.

the thing about myers is he has franchise d-man talent. but he has brain farts. alot. under nolan, we saw his game aggressively change, with him being more physical. and it paid off. myers became more consistent on D, and as a result, his offense ticked up. we saw flashes of that franchise D. i have to think that another year brings more development. hes still young, so theres time.

hes the type of player you dont lose on a gamble, and kane, at this point, is a gamble. it could work out wonderfully. but myers has all the tools to be a star d-man. id ask for more then kane for that potential.

Just like you said Miller, Ott, and Moulson would all fetched huge returns.How that work out.

If Myers was a Ranger he would be fighting Anton Stralman for ice time.

He's not that good and only getting worse.Lucky for the Sabres Tim Murray knows it.





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[Downinfloflo]

Late pick if anything!
I would be fine with a Myers for Kane swap!

It's refreshing to see people around here with a healthy sense of reality.

[JATMtheJATM]

Just like you said Miller, Ott, and Moulson would all fetched huge returns.How that work out.

If Myers was a Ranger he would be fighting Anton Stralman for ice time.

He's not that good and only getting worse.Lucky for the Sabres Tim Murray knows it.

Miller Ott did fetch a huge return.

As for Myers getting worse... Uh, what? Murray was just saying how happy they were with his progress. So yeah, getting worse is a fabrication.

And sense of reality. Aren't you the one saying ehrhoffs recapture penalty scares teams off?

[tampabay25690]

You know they're referencing Evander Kane right and not Patrick? I mean the kid has had one 30 goal season but outside that nothing crazy. At best he's slightly better than Drew Stafford and not worth losing Myers over.

Thanks joke guy yes I know who we are talking about.
This team sucks on offense and loaded on D for years to come.. So a winger like Kane would be a great find as young as he is..
Last year everyone wanted Myers gone..
Not saying it's gonna happen but a possibility if the sabres want a good young winger!

[tampabay25690]

It's refreshing to see people around here with a healthy sense of reality.

Well just truth..
Myers came around last year but we have seen his best..
Kane is just what this team is looking for. Young size and can score. Yes inconsistent but he's young yet..
Does anyone know are talent on a defense for years to come? Loaded they just need some time yet!
Definitely something to look at!

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Thanks joke guy yes I know who we are talking about.
This team sucks on offense and loaded on D for years to come.. So a winger like Kane would be a great find as young as he is..
Last year everyone wanted Myers gone..
Not saying it's gonna happen but a possibility if the sabres want a good young winger!

Say u add Kane and draft Reinhart are offense just got better.
I like stewart coming back too.

[JATMtheJATM]

Saying myers came around is an understatement. Some games, he plain dominated. We've seen he can do it. Now we see if he can do it more often.

[tampabay25690]

Saying myers came around is an understatement. Some games, he plain dominated. We've seen he can do it. Now we see if he can do it more often.

Who knows!

[JATMtheJATM]

Who knows!

Its an unknown. But given the combo of his skill set, size, and age, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt

[Downinfloflo]

Miller Ott did fetch a huge return.

As for Myers getting worse... Uh, what? Murray was just saying how happy they were with his progress. So yeah, getting worse is a fabrication.

And sense of reality. Aren't you the one saying ehrhoffs recapture penalty scares teams off?

Yeah.....GM's belittle their players all the time when they are looking to move them.

"Hey guy's, Tyler Myers sucks so how about you send me a top 5 pick for him" Tim Murray.

Sabres are farged if they trade Erhoff and he decides to go play in Germany or retire before the contract runs out.


Should Ehrhoff retire before his deal expires in 2020-21 (when he'd be 38),

^^Lolz

[Downinfloflo]

Its an unknown. But given the combo of his skill set, size, and age, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt

Is he even in the top 100??

He was (79th) in the NHL last season in points for D-men.

He was (300th) in plus/minus in the NHL last season.

But hey.....He has potential.

[JATMtheJATM]

Except Murray didn't trash myers. Also, since when are we worried about an individuals plus minus on the worst team in hockey. But hey, let's single out one guy.

The Sabres may be screwed if he retires. What's that got to do with the team trading for him? The recapture doesn't transfer. So there you go.

[Downinfloflo]

Except Murray didn't trash myers. Also, since when are we worried about an individuals plus minus on the worst team in hockey. But hey, let's single out one guy.

The Sabres may be screwed if he retires. What's that got to do with the team trading for him? The recapture doesn't transfer. So there you go.

Holy ****....:haha:

WOOOOOOOOSH!!! :doh2:

[JATMtheJATM]

Holy ****....:haha:

WOOOOOOOOSH!!! :doh2:

Whoosh is right. Regardless, Murray isn't down on myers. So what's your obsession with him?

[Downinfloflo]

Whoosh is right. Regardless, Murray isn't down on myers. So what's your obsession with him?

A GM will never bash his player in public when he want's to move him, He will talk highly of him before he does so...Understand now?

It's your obsession I'm trying to understand,You had a man crush on him for years and it blinds you to his actual play.

You want him to be the next Chara so bad you sacrifice all logic and reason to do so.

You said he has dominated? Who the Panthers?

He has regressed every single season he has been in the NHL, When does his age stop becoming an excuse?

He is ranked in the 100's-300's in every statistic..

A top 5 pick and more for Myers?? you are out of your fugging mind, Best case, Trade your underachiever for another teams underachiever.

His value has gone down every year since he's been in the NHL not up.

You were flat out wrong about the return Miller, Ott, And Moulson would bring, And you are wrong again in your valuation of Myers.

The Sabres got 1 freaking 1st round pick (Basically a second) after trading all 3 of those guys away.

LMAO.....You thought each one would land the Sabres a 1st....Wrong then, wrong now!!

What happens when Risto and Zad need 6 years to develop. :sadbye:

[JATMtheJATM]

Ott and miller fetched a massive return. A first which could be anywhere from 16-30, a highly rated prospect in carrier, a starting goalie they flipped, a third rounder that would have been another first had the blues resigned miller or made the WCF. and Stewart who has had some really good seasons, and a couple stinkers. So, yeah, that's a pretty major return.

As for what I think of myers, what do you care? I mean seriously, why is a rangers fan worried worried about what a Sabres fan thinks of a Sabres player on a Sabres board? That's puzzling. But apparently its not just me who sees myers improvement. Coastal was really down on myers. Now he seems pretty optimistic.

The Sabres dont seem to be trying to move him, but if a team offers them the moon, theyll take it.

[Ginger Vitis]

As for what I think of myers, what do you care?


He cares because he gets off trolling you and this board.. Don't respond to his posts or any of the threads he creates and eventually his head will explode from lack of attention

[coastal]

Ott and miller fetched a massive return. A first which could be anywhere from 16-30, a highly rated prospect in carrier, a starting goalie they flipped, a third rounder that would have been another first had the blues resigned miller or made the WCF. and Stewart who has had some really good seasons, and a couple stinkers. So, yeah, that's a pretty major return.

As for what I think of myers, what do you care? I mean seriously, why is a rangers fan worried worried about what a Sabres fan thinks of a Sabres player on a Sabres board? That's puzzling. But apparently its not just me who sees myers improvement. Coastal was really down on myers. Now he seems pretty optimistic.

The Sabres dont seem to be trying to move him, but if a team offers them the moon, theyll take it.
I saw it toward the tail end of last year and what solidified it for me was seeing him first hand from the 7th row here in Tampa.

he is an amazing skater, moved the puck at will, and played very aggresively.

The talent is there.

My questions regarding him goes straight to his head and heart.

At some point the talent levels become secondary and it's about other things.

I really don't know anything about him as player (not skill) to be honest.

[Ginger Vitis]

When Myers admitted he didnt work out hardly at all prior to the 2012-2013 season because he wasn't sure how long the lockout would be or if there would be a season all that showed a flagrant lack of dedication and commitment.. I don't think he has the intangibles to ever be a No.1 defensemen at his point Id be satisfied if he can be a solid No.3

[JATMtheJATM]

I saw it toward the tail end of last year and what solidified it for me was seeing him first hand from the 7th row here in Tampa.

he is an amazing skater, moved the puck at will, and played very aggresively.

The talent is there.

My questions regarding him goes straight to his head and heart.

At some point the talent levels become secondary and it's about other things.

I really don't know anything about him as player (not skill) to be honest.

I have those questions too. But as you said, the skill is very much there.

[SkateZilla]

Myers getting worse

Umm, the Whole team was getting worse, dont use Myers as a fall Guy.

[tampabay25690]

Umm, the Whole team was getting worse, dont use Myers as a fall Guy.

I agree.
I think MYERS has the most value for the Sabres getting a Front Line guy though.
His name is definitely on the top of the list as trade bait.

[JATMtheJATM]

That goes hand in hand with Murrays comments. They'd move him if the deal was right. And the right deal comes with a large return