115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

[Night Train]

One of the worst NFL deals ever.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11306771/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-reach-six-year-115-million-deal

[trapezeus]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

didn't click link. just saw your headline. is it structured like Kaepernicks or highly guaranteed.

the top number isn't such a big deal if it isn't guaranteed. if its incentive laden, then he's got to go out there and earn it.

[Night Train]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

http://grantland.com/features/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-pressure/

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

6 years 110+ million is the new baseline for qbs. If it is structured with outs then it is perfectly reasonable. Now obviously Dalton has growing to do but if Manuel played like Dalton we'd throw him a parade.

[swiper]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

http://grantland.com/features/andy-d...gals-pressure/

ROFL. THIS sounds familiar...

Dalton comes from the Kevin Kolb and Blaine Gabbert school, which is a school that should probably be shut down, demolished, and declared a Superfund site. Quarterbacks in this class often struggle to diagnose pressure before the snap and do a subpar job of capturing who exactly is coming at them when defenses disguise their blitzers. Even worse, when they do feel even the tiniest bit of pressure heading in their direction, passers like Kolb and Gabbert bail out of the pocket and frantically sprint toward the sideline like ants trying to escape feet. The coup de grâce is a dangerous pass, one often thrown to the first hint of a friendly uniform without resetting and reexamining the field to see where defenders have settled.

[stuckincincy]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

didn't click link. just saw your headline. is it structured like Kaepernicks or highly guaranteed.

the top number isn't such a big deal if it isn't guaranteed. if its incentive laden, then he's got to go out there and earn it.

It's like Kaepernicks'.

Prisco's take:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/24648068/back-up-a-little-bit-before-you-bash-andy-daltons-115m-bengals-deal

[Mr. Pink]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

Stupid contract for a decent regular season QB and a guy who disappears in the playoffs.

But this is the new norm in the NFL.

[trapezeus]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

having a dalton would be fun for the year we made the playoff, but getting booted every first game would feel like the 80's sabres teams. and we could have had pieces that were good but needed the extra push from a top 5 qb.

but because we had this kind of money and contract on a guy, we might pass on qb's that could push him via draft.

its kind of absurd how much the game revolves around needing agreat qb if you intend to be a threat for a championship.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

The Bengals essentially have their choice of the following deals. (Numbers are without potential playoff escalators, and include the upcoming final season on Dalton's last contract.)

Two years, $25 million.
Three years, $35.7 million
Four years, $49 million.
Five years, $62.9 million.
Six years, $79.1 million.
Seven years, $96.8 million.

If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

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http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

The Bengals essentially have their choice of the following deals. (Numbers are without potential playoff escalators, and include the upcoming final season on Dalton's last contract.)

Two years, $25 million.
Three years, $35.7 million
Four years, $49 million.
Five years, $62.9 million.
Six years, $79.1 million.
Seven years, $96.8 million.

If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

[Mike]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-act...ium=socialflow



If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

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http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

They were gaging on Levitre's $8M & Byrd's $9M

Many fans are still living in 2006 Cap Mindset... Those days are long gone & a decent QB with potential will get a $90M contract!

[BLeonard]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

Stupid contract for a decent regular season QB and a guy who disappears in the playoffs.

But this is the new norm in the NFL.

Right now, I'd be happy with a QB that could get us to the playoffs...

-Bill

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

What's so wrong with a QB who could get us to the playoffs?

[trapezeus]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

What's so wrong with a QB who could get us to the playoffs?

ask dallas fans. romo can get you there, but falling apart on the bigger stage routinely in such a calculated and predictable manner gets frustrating.

like i said above, the first year of getting to the playoffs would be fun. but then knowing he wasn't going to get you a win would feel like you were wasting a good squad.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

ask dallas fans. romo can get you there, but falling apart on the bigger stage routinely in such a calculated and predictable manner gets frustrating.

like i said above, the first year of getting to the playoffs would be fun. but then knowing he wasn't going to get you a win would feel like you were wasting a good squad.

Recent history would suggest otherwise.

[stuckincincy]

Re: 115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

6 years 110+ million is the new baseline for qbs. If it is structured with outs then it is perfectly reasonable. Now obviously Dalton has growing to do but if Manuel played like Dalton we'd throw him a parade.

It's a cap-friendly deal.

The guarantees and roster bonuses come in the first 2 years, as well as base of $986K in year 1, $3M in year 2, amounting to about $25M. After that, they could save cap $ and let him go.

There are significant escalator clauses, which is all are met, results in $115M over 6 years. If he takes 80% on snaps and gets in the divisional playoffs, that's $1M added to the base salary for that and all subsequent years. The team advances to the AFC champ game, another $500K. If they make it into the SB, $1.5M.

So Dalton should be happy. Also probably happy about former OC Gruden moving on - who called an average of 543 (!) pass plays per Dalton's 3 years.


BTW, here's a decent cap site to bookmark:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/2015/

If you switch it from CIN to BUF, you can see the huge cap (and dead money) hit the Bills assumed with a defensive end...Mario Williams.