115 Mil For Andy (Fitz Jr.) Dalton ???

[Night Train]

One of the worst NFL deals ever.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11306771/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-reach-six-year-115-million-deal

[trapezeus]

didn't click link. just saw your headline. is it structured like Kaepernicks or highly guaranteed.

the top number isn't such a big deal if it isn't guaranteed. if its incentive laden, then he's got to go out there and earn it.

[Night Train]

http://grantland.com/features/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-pressure/

[IlluminatusUIUC]

6 years 110+ million is the new baseline for qbs. If it is structured with outs then it is perfectly reasonable. Now obviously Dalton has growing to do but if Manuel played like Dalton we'd throw him a parade.

[swiper]

http://grantland.com/features/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-pressure/

ROFL. THIS sounds familiar...


Dalton comes from the Kevin Kolb and Blaine Gabbert school, which is a school that should probably be shut down, demolished, and declared a Superfund site. Quarterbacks in this class often struggle to diagnose pressure before the snap and do a subpar job of capturing who exactly is coming at them when defenses disguise their blitzers. Even worse, when they do feel even the tiniest bit of pressure heading in their direction, passers like Kolb and Gabbert bail out of the pocket and frantically sprint toward the sideline like ants trying to escape feet. The coup de grâce is a dangerous pass, one often thrown to the first hint of a friendly uniform without resetting and reexamining the field to see where defenders have settled.

[stuckincincy]

didn't click link. just saw your headline. is it structured like Kaepernicks or highly guaranteed.

the top number isn't such a big deal if it isn't guaranteed. if its incentive laden, then he's got to go out there and earn it.

It's like Kaepernicks'.

Prisco's take:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/24648068/back-up-a-little-bit-before-you-bash-andy-daltons-115m-bengals-deal

[Mr. Pink]

Stupid contract for a decent regular season QB and a guy who disappears in the playoffs.

But this is the new norm in the NFL.

[trapezeus]

having a dalton would be fun for the year we made the playoff, but getting booted every first game would feel like the 80's sabres teams. and we could have had pieces that were good but needed the extra push from a top 5 qb.

but because we had this kind of money and contract on a guy, we might pass on qb's that could push him via draft.

its kind of absurd how much the game revolves around needing agreat qb if you intend to be a threat for a championship.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


The Bengals essentially have their choice of the following deals. (Numbers are without potential playoff escalators, and include the upcoming final season on Dalton's last contract.)

Two years, $25 million.
Three years, $35.7 million
Four years, $49 million.
Five years, $62.9 million.
Six years, $79.1 million.
Seven years, $96.8 million.

If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

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http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow


The Bengals essentially have their choice of the following deals. (Numbers are without potential playoff escalators, and include the upcoming final season on Dalton's last contract.)

Two years, $25 million.
Three years, $35.7 million
Four years, $49 million.
Five years, $62.9 million.
Six years, $79.1 million.
Seven years, $96.8 million.

If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

[Mike]

http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow



If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

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http://deadspin.com/andy-daltons-actual-contract-numbers-are-not-so-crazy-1615867826?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow



If you guys are gagging on those numbers, you'd better hide when Wilson or Luck sign their deals.

They were gaging on Levitre's $8M & Byrd's $9M

Many fans are still living in 2006 Cap Mindset... Those days are long gone & a decent QB with potential will get a $90M contract!

[BLeonard]

Stupid contract for a decent regular season QB and a guy who disappears in the playoffs.

But this is the new norm in the NFL.

Right now, I'd be happy with a QB that could get us to the playoffs...

-Bill

[Generalissimus Gibby]

What's so wrong with a QB who could get us to the playoffs?

[trapezeus]

What's so wrong with a QB who could get us to the playoffs?

ask dallas fans. romo can get you there, but falling apart on the bigger stage routinely in such a calculated and predictable manner gets frustrating.

like i said above, the first year of getting to the playoffs would be fun. but then knowing he wasn't going to get you a win would feel like you were wasting a good squad.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

ask dallas fans. romo can get you there, but falling apart on the bigger stage routinely in such a calculated and predictable manner gets frustrating.

like i said above, the first year of getting to the playoffs would be fun. but then knowing he wasn't going to get you a win would feel like you were wasting a good squad.

Recent history would suggest otherwise.

[stuckincincy]

6 years 110+ million is the new baseline for qbs. If it is structured with outs then it is perfectly reasonable. Now obviously Dalton has growing to do but if Manuel played like Dalton we'd throw him a parade.

It's a cap-friendly deal.

The guarantees and roster bonuses come in the first 2 years, as well as base of $986K in year 1, $3M in year 2, amounting to about $25M. After that, they could save cap $ and let him go.

There are significant escalator clauses, which is all are met, results in $115M over 6 years. If he takes 80% on snaps and gets in the divisional playoffs, that's $1M added to the base salary for that and all subsequent years. The team advances to the AFC champ game, another $500K. If they make it into the SB, $1.5M.

So Dalton should be happy. Also probably happy about former OC Gruden moving on - who called an average of 543 (!) pass plays per Dalton's 3 years.


BTW, here's a decent cap site to bookmark:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/2015/

If you switch it from CIN to BUF, you can see the huge cap (and dead money) hit the Bills assumed with a defensive end...Mario Williams.

[stuckincincy]

BUF also has to try to work off $10M of Stevie Johnson money banging on their cap. If someone does buy the club, I'd expect them to fire all the staff, and dump as many current player contracts as they can. The current staff diddled Ralph and wife.

[stuckincincy]

ask dallas fans. romo can get you there, but falling apart on the bigger stage routinely in such a calculated and predictable manner gets frustrating.

like i said above, the first year of getting to the playoffs would be fun. but then knowing he wasn't going to get you a win would feel like you were wasting a good squad.

Let's talk about Peyton Manning, the 16 year player:

Playoff Record as Starting QB: 1999 (0-1), 2000 (0-1), 2002 (0-1), 2003 (2-1), 2004 (1-1), 2005 (0-1), 2006 (4-0), 2007 (0-1), 2008 (0-1), 2009 (2-1), 2010 (0-1), 2012 (0-1), 2013 (2-1)

Didn't win a playoff game in his 1st 3 appearances. After 7 playoff years, won a SB.

Romo can fling the ball - accurately. Scramble. Make the so-called clutch tosses. It's an oblong ball, the tip of such can be a win or a loss. I can't think of a team what would shed a tear if they were stuck with Romo as their current starter.

[DynaPaul]

If Romo can pull in that cash so can any other average QB. Laughingly Tom Brady makes less than these guys... Ha ha.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

If Romo can pull in that cash so can any other average QB. Laughingly Tom Brady makes less than these guys... Ha ha.

yea. he's also married to someone richer than him. which i doubt any of these other guys can say

[swiper]

One of the worst NFL deals ever.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11306771/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-reach-six-year-115-million-deal

NFLN says these are a series of single year deals that the Bengals can get out at one or two year intervals.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

If Romo can pull in that cash so can any other average QB. Laughingly Tom Brady makes less than these guys... Ha ha.

Brady intentionally took a pay cut so new England would sign him some help. And then they let Welker walk. Lol

[Mace]

In some mild defense of Dalton, his 0-3 in the playoffs, made them all 3 years, looks better than John Elways 0-1, made the playoffs once his first 3 years. I didn't like Elway, wanted to see him fall flat on his face. Still figured he was a choker 13 years into his career when he had a 7-7 playoff record. If you look at the numbers from their first 3 years, Dalton out of TCU is better than Elway was, but we know how that ended up. Dalton even has more yards per attempt than Elway did. No clue how his career ends up, and different passing era sure.

For reference if anyone wants it -

Dalton : http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DaltAn00.htm
Elway : http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

I think an important point, is that if you have even a competent QB now, you need lock him up so you don't need try and roll the dice trying to find another one with so many spread/option QB's coming out of college now. Getting "stuck" with middlin' success jams you into middlin' but maybe, as opposed to getting stuck with Vince Young, JaMarcus Russell, Jimmy Clausen, Jake Locker, Christian Ponder, Geno Smith, EJ Manuel perhaps....scarier maybe's.

A wee bit harsh to call Dalton Fitz Jr. though. Dependable QB's perceived as middlin' are going to get those contracts now as teams realize they're better than having bad ones. Get a playoff win first couple years, a QB hit the promised land.

[Meathead]

red haired soulless bastard should be sent to hell where he belongs

[stuckincincy]

red haired soulless bastard should be sent to hell where he belongs

You're back. Plea down to time served? :drive: