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  • swiper
    Registered User
    • Sep 2010
    • 33105

    wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

    • Manuel struggles
    • 4/5th of the o-line struggles
    • 3 players return from injury
    • Dareus dominates
    • Hogan a lock?
    • Tuel now taking all 2nd team reps



    Originally posted by wgr550.com
    When the Buffalo Bills opened up their preseason schedule on Sunday with a loss to the New York Giants, they likely hoped to get back on the practice field this week and attempt to fix the mistakes they made. As the team returned to the turf at St. John Fisher College, the rust that was evident against the Giants resided with them through Tuesday night.

    It was not a sharp practice for a few different parties up and down the Bills roster — specifically on the offensive side of the ball. While there were a couple of defensive standouts, the session was mostly dominated by the poor performance from the side of the ball employed to score points.

    Just like in Canton, EJ never got going
    - EJ Manuel’s day in Canton was overblown by some, but his performance on Tuesday did not inspire much confidence for his first time back on the field since. During the team’s first preseason game Manuel never really got into the flow of the game and ended up with his now well-known and, well, poor stat line. As noted by WGR following the contest, Manuel’s decisiveness during the game was one of his strong points, regardless of how the plays turned out. That all but vanished on Tuesday outside a handful of instances, often times waiting too long for his read to come open. One of his biggest enemies has been standing back for too long and patting the ball, eventually settling for either the dump-off option or for a quarterback scramble. It’s borderline inexcusable to tuck the ball and run during a 7-on-7 drill where there is no pass rush, which is what Manuel has done on many occasions. The shots down the field on go routes are worked into the game plan and he’s taught to take the shot if there is single coverage. Outside of that, though, he needs to get out of his comfort zone and fit the ball into tight windows, or else he’ll just continue to settle for the small stuff. Teams will figure that out quite quickly.

    Offensive line blues
    - Manuel had his share of struggles in the pocket, but in no way was he helped out by the starting contingent of offensive linemen that were on the field Tuesday. Of the five starters, only Eric Wood had a fairly positive and consistent day, while left tackle Seantrel Henderson, left guard Chris Williams, right guard Kraig Urbik and right tackle Erik Pears all gave up ground to their opponent, granting the defense penetration to thwart whatever play was coming their way. Williams couldn’t seem to get his footing and was dominated by Marcell Dareus whenever the two were matched up. The struggles of Urbik continued as well, which is a great indication of why the Bills are looking all over the roster to find his replacement in the starting lineup. No one on the offensive line had a worse day than Henderson, however, but we’ll get back to him in just a bit.

    Tuel the favorite for backup duty?
    - While there may be some talk of a natural rotation with the backup quarterbacks, there was a definitive change in how the repetitions were divvied between Jeff Tuel and Thad Lewis. Before Tuesday, either Tuel or Lewis would get a set of snaps with the second team in the first portion of team drills. Once the Bills returned to their team drills after some other work, whoever did not get the second-team snaps the first time around would then receive them. On Tuesday, there was no such rotation. Tuel, the second-year undrafted free agent, received every single second-team snap during team drills during the Bills’ most recent practice. It isn’t any surprise, due to Lewis being downright dreadful in both practices and the team’s first preseason game. Tuel has a definitive leg up on the competition now, and could possibly lock it up with a week or two more of quality performances.

    Richardson’s reps continue
    - The right guard competition has been well-documented and the rotation that was seen at the end of last week has continued even after the first preseason game. Kraig Urbik once again split first-team snaps with fifth-round rookie Cyril Richardson and it doesn’t appear there is any end in sight for that current setup. While team drills were going on, whoever was not in with the first-team on a given rep stands next to offensive line coach Pat Morris and prepares for his next set of snaps. The Bills have now tried J.J. ‘Unga, Chris Hairston and now Richardson to try and replace Urbik as the starting right guard. Actions speak louder than words, and Urbik needs to cling onto his job with every nail that he has.

    Is Hogan a lock?
    - A surprising development from the game on Sunday was in regards to wide receiver Robert Woods not being a part of the first-team offense in any capacity. Instead, the starting receivers were Sammy Watkins, Mike Williams and camp standout Chris Hogan played slot receiver with EJ Manuel and company. While Woods received some reps with EJ Manuel on Tuesday, Hogan was once again the player mainly residing as the slot receiver with the first team. It was an accepted notion that four of the wide receiver spots on the roster were spoken for with Watkins, Williams, Woods and Marquise Goodwin. Now, that number may need to be bumped up to five. Chris Hogan has done mostly everything right and the coaches have taken notice in a big way.

    Day 12 MVP: DT Marcell Dareus
    - Most of the recap was consisting of updates on offense because their poor performance was the story of the session. However, Marcell Dareus had a gem of a practice in his domination of the team’s interior offensive line, and namely, left guard Chris Williams. The defensive tackle continued to rip through the line during team drills on both running and passing plays. His mix of power, balance and speed was far too much for Williams and company to contain Tuesday.

    Day 12 LVP: OT Seantrel Henderson
    - The rookie left tackle played well on Sunday against the New York Giants, but he had a rookie type of performance in their first practice back. Henderson failed to execute on his assignments, being the main contributor to EJ Manuel taking a sack at least two times. One on play, Henderson inexplicably went to block the inside man while defensive end Manny Lawson went unblocked and unexcitedly walked into the backfield. The run game wasn’t much of a success for Henderson (or for the rest of the starting offensive line, really), either. He has been the st
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    Last edited by swiper; 08-06-2014, 04:02 AM.
  • Swiper
    Registered User
    • Sep 2010
    • 33105

    #2
    Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

    Marquise Goodwin
    Chris Chandler
    Tony Moeaki

    All returned from injury.

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    • Swiper
      Registered User
      • Sep 2010
      • 33105

      #3
      Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

      Mike Rodak @mikerodak

      Bills back to their red zone struggles tonight. 4 sacks of Manuel in last 9 plays, not all against 1st D. He's holding ball too long.

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      • YardRat
        Well, lookie here...
        • Dec 2004
        • 86147

        #4
        Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

        Does Henderson's difference in performance in the game vs practice give an indication of just how good this defensive line can be?
        YardRat Wall of Fame
        #56 DARRYL TALLEY
        #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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        • MitchMurrayDowntown
          Skoobasaurus-Rex
          • Oct 2011
          • 22284

          #5
          Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

          I wouldn't jump off the cliff yet, our D-line looks to be in Mid-season form & is incredibly talented. I would say that our offense probably will not see a more talented group this season, which hopefully helps them elevate their game.

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          • JoeMama
            Emotion Sickness
            • Oct 2002
            • 18183

            #6
            Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

            Just like in Canton, EJ never got going
            - EJ Manuel’s day in Canton was overblown by some, but his performance on Tuesday did not inspire much confidence for his first time back on the field since. During the team’s first preseason game Manuel never really got into the flow of the game and ended up with his now well-known and, well, poor stat line. As noted by WGR following the contest, Manuel’s decisiveness during the game was one of his strong points, regardless of how the plays turned out. That all but vanished on Tuesday outside a handful of instances, often times waiting too long for his read to come open. One of his biggest enemies has been standing back for too long and patting the ball, eventually settling for either the dump-off option or for a quarterback scramble. It’s borderline inexcusable to tuck the ball and run during a 7-on-7 drill where there is no pass rush, which is what Manuel has done on many occasions. The shots down the field on go routes are worked into the game plan and he’s taught to take the shot if there is single coverage. Outside of that, though, he needs to get out of his comfort zone and fit the ball into tight windows, or else he’ll just continue to settle for the small stuff. Teams will figure that out quite quickly.
            hope·less
            ˈhōplis/
            adjective
            adjective: hopeless

            1.
            feeling or causing despair about something.
            "his situation was obviously hopeless"
            synonyms: despairing, desperate, wretched, forlorn, pessimistic, defeatist, resigned; More
            dejected, downhearted, despondent, demoralized;
            archaicwoebegone
            "she felt weary and hopeless"
            irremediable, beyond hope, lost, beyond repair, irreparable, unfixable, irreversible;
            helpless, incurable;
            impossible, no-win, unwinnable, futile, unworkable, impracticable, useless;
            archaicbootless
            "a hopeless case"
            2.
            inadequate; incompetent.
            "I'm hopeless at names"
            synonyms: bad, awful, terrible, dreadful, horrible, atrocious; More
            inferior, incompetent, inadequate, unskilled;
            informalpathetic, useless, lousy, rotten
            "Joseph was hopeless at tennis"


            Why can't the lightbulb just click for this kid???

            And the football gods don't ****ing help. The only time EJ had a good practice, it was cut short by lightning. LIGHTNING. Of all the God damn things...

            I'm trying so hard to give this kid a fair shake and he's making it impossible. He can't even make **** happen on 7 on 7 without a pass rush? Why bother suiting up? Just fly back to Tallahassee and ****ing spend your days hitting on coeds at Bullwinkles.
            Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

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            • Homegrown
              Havin' a ball ... rollin' to the bottom
              • Jul 2008
              • 2774

              #7
              Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

              "EJ Struggles ".....isn't that the camp headline every day?

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              • kishoph
                Registered User
                • Jun 2003
                • 3157

                #8
                Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                Originally posted by JoeMama View Post
                hope·less
                ˈhōplis/
                adjective
                adjective: hopeless

                1.
                feeling or causing despair about something.
                "his situation was obviously hopeless"
                synonyms: despairing, desperate, wretched, forlorn, pessimistic, defeatist, resigned; More
                dejected, downhearted, despondent, demoralized;
                archaicwoebegone
                "she felt weary and hopeless"
                irremediable, beyond hope, lost, beyond repair, irreparable, unfixable, irreversible;
                helpless, incurable;
                impossible, no-win, unwinnable, futile, unworkable, impracticable, useless;
                archaicbootless
                "a hopeless case"
                2.
                inadequate; incompetent.
                "I'm hopeless at names"
                synonyms: bad, awful, terrible, dreadful, horrible, atrocious; More
                inferior, incompetent, inadequate, unskilled;
                informalpathetic, useless, lousy, rotten
                "Joseph was hopeless at tennis"


                Why can't the lightbulb just click for this kid???

                And the football gods don't ****ing help. The only time EJ had a good practice, it was cut short by lightning. LIGHTNING. Of all the God damn things...

                I'm trying so hard to give this kid a fair shake and he's making it impossible. He can't even make **** happen on 7 on 7 without a pass rush? Why bother suiting up? Just fly back to Tallahassee and ****ing spend your days hitting on coeds at Bullwinkles.

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                • Topas
                  German smartass
                  • Feb 2014
                  • 880

                  #9
                  Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                  Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                  Does Henderson's difference in performance in the game vs practice give an indication of just how good this defensive line can be?
                  Well, that is hopefully true.

                  Originally posted by Swiper View Post
                  ...
                  One of his biggest enemies has been standing back for too long and patting the ball, eventually settling for either the dump-off option or for a quarterback scramble. It’s borderline inexcusable to tuck the ball and run during a 7-on-7 drill where there is no pass rush, which is what Manuel has done on many occasions.
                  Gosh, he gets flustered in the pocket by NO pass rush ... That even makes Trent Edwards and Rob Johnson blush ...

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                  • JoeMama
                    Emotion Sickness
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 18183

                    #10
                    Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                    Originally posted by kishoph View Post
                    Very cute...

                    The constant negativity out of camp is taking its toll on me.

                    EJ's clearly struggling.
                    Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

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                    • MitchMurrayDowntown
                      Skoobasaurus-Rex
                      • Oct 2011
                      • 22284

                      #11
                      Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                      Expect many running plays coming to you this season.

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                      • Swiper
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 33105

                        #12
                        Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                        Well it's safe to say the QB position is somewhere between hopeless and people over-reacting.

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                        • JoeMama
                          Emotion Sickness
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 18183

                          #13
                          Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                          Originally posted by Swiper View Post
                          Well it's safe to say the QB position is somewhere between hopeless and people over-reacting.
                          Guilty as charged.

                          But everyday it's the same news. EJ looks average at best, terrible at worst.

                          I'm trying my hand at guarded optimism and I'm not doing a good job. The constant barrage of bad reports on EJ are grating. Really grating.

                          For those of you who shrug this stuff off, please lend me some of your ambivalence. I need it.
                          Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

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                          • Yasgur's Farm
                            Moderator
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 7091

                            #14
                            Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                            Let me begin with... I'm not trying to defend EJ. I simply believe that he should get this season before we move on. Anybody who says that they know already that he's a bust has to ask themselves why they're not employed by the Bills.

                            Now for the 7 on 7... Do you (the board in general) honestly think he's been instructed to "take his time" because there's no rush? On the contrary... I believe they instruct all of the QB's to use their internal clock in waiting for there receivers to come open. If that internal alarm goes off, the QB needs to take evasive action. It's only logical and way more probable than EJ simply deciding to run with it when there's no pressure at all.

                            Now... Can anybody (who was at camp yesterday) tell me if he was actually neglecting to attempt to get the ball to open receivers? Please keep it unbiased.

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                            • WagonCircler
                              Escaped Convict
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5876

                              #15
                              Re: wgr: Camp Day #12 - Manuel struggles

                              Listen, I know some poster get their panties in a bunch whenever the Kelly comparison is made, but for those of you who remember, he never had days like this. He just had it, right from the get go. You either have it or you don't.

                              EJ is NEVER going to be a great QB. He just struggles with too much, WAY too often. So much of what holds him back should have been second nature long ago. He just has too much to overcome.

                              EJ Manuel is a slightly more athletic Trent Edwards (granted with infinitely more in the way of leadership qualities and like ability). The two lack the fearlessness and confidence necessary to excel at the position.

                              We're beyond the point of "we don't know what we have in EJ." It's becoming crystal clear what we have.

                              Get Orton on the phone. He's good enough to navigate the season, maybe two, until we can figure out a way to get back into the first round next year.

                              This is a pretty good football team that will be wasted with EJ as its starter.

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