Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

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http://stor.artvoice.com/AV_Stadium_Plan.pdf

Per chance to dream....

[delectrolux]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

It's such a good plan… There's so little chance of it happening...

[Ingtar33]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

not enough parking there. they'd probably have to put it on the south side... of course that would mean eating up all that harbor space sitting vacant, maybe rerouting route 5... personally i think if you do it, you do it right. make it part of that harbor restoration project that never seems to get anywhere... use this as the chance to finally knock down that ****** skyway and those grain silos... maybe run the lightrail another 10 blocks...

The thing that blows my mind, is i've lived all over this country... and the things i'm talking about HAPPEN everywhere else. I mean you should see the stuff that happens outside buffalo. Unfortunately the plan i just outlined will never happen in buffalo. It's too progressive, too big... too well thought out.

No, they'll build it somewhere hard to get to, in a neighborhood that doesn't need it or want it, they'll give it a retractable dome that is never open (I still think you build an open air stadium, I've played in, and coached and watched plenty of football in a doom, not anywhere near as right as football outside) adding a billion to the cost of the stadium... a billion they could have spent on other things... like roads and transportation to the stadium... area renewal... knocking down the skyway. You know practical things. If they want to build a dome, build a dome. Don't do these stupid retractable roofs. They're never open during a game. NEVER.

[DetDannyWilliams]

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you know what? If they would rip down this eyesore "PIECE OF CRAP" skyway once and for all they could build the stadium right between the Harbor Center and the Naval Park. ffwd this video to 1:10 and you will see what I'm talking about. The Red brick building is the Naval Park

[Typ0]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

I think something like this could happen. They need to get the trains right to the stadium and spread the economic impact all along the train line. That's the best thing they could do.

I also have going through my mind a cheaper alternative to a retractable roof that has yet to be engineered. It would take long to deploy to only be done once per year. Events could take place Jan - Mar. One idea looks something like a tent over the stadium somewhat like the carrier dome. When football season is over you deploy it and then take it down in April. Much less materials and mechanical structure. Some manpower to deploy it and take it down each year.

[Mace]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

Jamie Moses, the Artvoice editor, has come a long way from playing a good hard rock set at Mr. Goodbar and trying to pick up my girflfriend when I went to get another round, to designing stadiums.

Having once squared him away by saying "Listen here Moses...." I figured I could do it again, by designing a better stadium than he and his band of Artvoice hacks could, easily.

Unfortunately my stadium design program (Microsoft Paint) refuses to let me adequately express my vision with all my lines coming out crooked as if a child were fingerpainting.

Moses and his Artvoice lackeys win this time. We don't need that junk, we need something someone else came up with.

[Ingtar33]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

you know what? If they would rip down this eyesore "PIECE OF CRAP" skyway once and for all they could build the stadium right between the Harbor Center and the Naval Park. ffwd this video to 1:10 and you will see what I'm talking about. The Red brick building is the Naval Park

you know it's been almost 3 years since I've been in Buffalo. Still have Bills season tickets. Sorta depressing to see the waterfront looks identical to how it looked when i last was down there (maybe 8 years ago)

[Night Train]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

Unfortunately my stadium design program (Microsoft Paint) refuses to let me adequately express my vision with all my lines coming out crooked as if a child were fingerpainting.

I did mine on etch a sketch.

[Don't Panic]

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Parking is definitely an issue, but I think it could be worked out. The SE corner (past the casino) of this whole development has space that could be used for ground level, uncovered tailgating, and even more down Ohio Street. That's a 2-5 block walk, depending. Plus, he has a Field House in his plan. I say leave the Field House and practice field right where it is. OP can still serve a purpose in that sense, and we open up space for more 1st floor retail and upper level parking. That stretch of I-190 is a total eyesore and has no place in a vibrant, lively downtown and tunneling it makes good sense.

[Night Train]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

Parking is definitely an issue, but I think it could be worked out. The SE corner (past the casino) of this whole development has space that could be used for ground level, uncovered tailgating, and even more down Ohio Street. That's a 2-5 block walk, depending. Plus, he has a Field House in his plan. I say leave the Field House and practice field right where it is. OP can still serve a purpose in that sense, and we open up space for more 1st floor retail and upper level parking. That stretch of I-190 is a total eyesore and has no place in a vibrant, lively downtown and tunneling it makes good sense.

Living locally, I cannot see anywhere downtown. They should just build a new stadium across from the current one in one of the Bolls lots, if they have to appease the NFL. Then restore the lost parking space by leveling the Ralph.

[Dr. Lecter]

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you know it's been almost 3 years since I've been in Buffalo. Still have Bills season tickets. Sorta depressing to see the waterfront looks identical to how it looked when i last was down there (maybe 8 years ago)

Actually, downtown and the waterfront area has been changing conisderably.

The entire Harbor Center. Phillips Lytle building. The Canalside is coming along.

There is still a lot of work to do.

But people keep saying there is nothing going and nothing is changing. Most of from people who don't live here and, quite frankly, do not know what the hell they are talking about.

[Dr. Lecter]

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Living locally, I cannot see anywhere downtown. They should just build a new stadium across from the current one in one of the Bolls lots, if they have to appease the NFL. Then restore the lost parking space by leveling the Ralph.

I really think that if Pegula buys the team it will be downtown. He will have everything down there - Sabres, Bills, Harbor Center, the space he just rented, etc.

Hey - it cuts my travel distance in half.

Putting it where the Summit Mall is, would be even better but I won't be greedy

[Historian]

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And to think....in 1982, my car was broken into right about at the 40 yard line!

[trapezeus]

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ingtar, it looks a lot different. i'm in ny now, but i go home regularly for games and such. my parents are in the suburbs. in oct, i was downtown for the first time in a while and it was changing. lots of cranes, etc for the harbor center. the casino was finishing up. it was more lively as you approach the water.

i was kind of stunned at how much changed without looking dramatically different. there are still lack of businesses to make it lively, but it's better than it was a few years ago...it's moving in the right direction.

[better days]

Re: Artvoice's $1.5B Downtown Retractable Roof Stadium Plan

This Stadium design is akin to people who design new logos for the Bills most of which look hideous as does that Stadium design.

I doubt any engineer had anything to do with that design either.

I would not want to see multi level parking garages. Imagine every car parked in a multi level garage as depicted trying to exit at the same time.