BonJovi >>> Pegula

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86162

    BonJovi >>> Pegula

    Why?

    1--Business ability--JBJ is probably one of the sharpest businessmen in the music industry. He knows how to market, he knows how to publicize, he knows how to maximize his profits, he knows how to create a quality product that succeeds. He built a multi-million dollar corporation from basically nothing. Pegula and his fracking fortune concern me. One doesn't make that amount of money, that quickly, without cutting corners and/or ****ing somebody along the way. Pegs probably has a better chance of being the next Rigas, not the next Wilson, and if **** does happen to hit the fan while he is owner and prior to any long term lease/ new stadium this team will be sold and moved in a blink.

    2--National exposure--JBJ ownership will have the Bills all over the national media outlets, just by virtue of his presence. Nobody outside of WNY and Pennsylvania probably even knows who the hell Terry Pegula is, let alone how to pronounce his last name.

    3--Corporate sponsorship--A necessary evil in today's NFL. JBJ and the Toronto group have a far larger corporate network, and much better possibility of selling those corporations on advertising, suites, PSL's etc. Pegs brings nothing to the table except the same-ol'/same ol' lightweight Buffalo businesses that already don't support the two professional teams enough.

    4--NFL Insider--In all honesty, one of the things I like least about JBJ is his ties with Bob Kraft, but one has to face reality...by virtue of their relationship, JBJ already has connections and access to the power players in the league. JBJ, with Kraft's support, will automatically bring credibility to the team within the ownership circles, while Pegula is an outsider trying to buy his way in.

    5--Track record--Granted, Bon Jovi has none (well, except for the Soul of the AFL). Pegula, however, has the feather in his cap of taking an existing professional franchise and driving it to the bottom of the standings. Woo-hoo...just what we need for a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade and a half.

    6--The Jimbo Factor--IMO Pegs wants nothing more out of Kelly than what his current role is...a team ambassador on the payroll. Maybe even not that. JBJ's group at least recognizes at this point the value of including Kelly on a larger scale, and is willing to consider it.

    7--Passion--Bon Jovi wants to own an NFL team. JBJ loves football, and the NFL. The Buffalo Bills would instantly become a part of JBJ's everyday life, and nobody would work harder to create a winner. Pegs is a hockey fan, first and foremost, and his priority will always be Sabres #1, Bills #2. JBJ would eventually bleed Bills red and blue, Pegula will be passing the buck to others (Brandon?) and trying to find time to pay attention to the team.

    8--New stadium--Yes, Pegs has the money to build it himself. That also means he has the ability to rely on public funding less, which could (should, if he's any kind of a businessman) lead to a less restrictive lease with any county, city or state. Kind of hard to ask for non-relocation clauses or exorbitant fees if you don't have much invested into the venture. Whether or not one agrees with the concept and practice of investing public monies into sports venues, a JBJ new stadium will A)Grease the skids for the state, county and city (possibly) to pony up, and give those public entities some ground to stand on when requiring terms that will keep the team in WNY for the long time, and B)Eliminate the possibility of some point in the future Pegs just pulling up stakes from his own building and heading to greener pastures.

    Other than cash, which Pegula has already proven won't buy a winner or championship, and the public perception that Pegs is a 'home-boy' that'll keep the team in Buffalo as opposed to the rumors and speculation of JBJ/Toronto moving to Canada, the facts are Bon Jovi would probably be a better immediate, and long-term, ownership solution than Terry Pegula.
    YardRat Wall of Fame
    #56 DARRYL TALLEY
    #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS
  • MitchMurrayDowntown
    Skoobasaurus-Rex
    • Oct 2011
    • 22284

    #2
    Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

    REMASTERED IN HD!Music video by The Gap Band performing You Dropped A Bomb On Me. (C) 1982 The Island Def Jam Music Group#TheGapBand #YouDroppedABombOnMe #Re...

    Comment

    • better days
      Registered User
      • Jan 2010
      • 22028

      #3
      Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

      Originally posted by YardRat View Post
      Why?

      1--Business ability--JBJ is probably one of the sharpest businessmen in the music industry. He knows how to market, he knows how to publicize, he knows how to maximize his profits, he knows how to create a quality product that succeeds. He built a multi-million dollar corporation from basically nothing. Pegula and his fracking fortune concern me. One doesn't make that amount of money, that quickly, without cutting corners and/or ****ing somebody along the way. Pegs probably has a better chance of being the next Rigas, not the next Wilson, and if **** does happen to hit the fan while he is owner and prior to any long term lease/ new stadium this team will be sold and moved in a blink.

      2--National exposure--JBJ ownership will have the Bills all over the national media outlets, just by virtue of his presence. Nobody outside of WNY and Pennsylvania probably even knows who the hell Terry Pegula is, let alone how to pronounce his last name.

      3--Corporate sponsorship--A necessary evil in today's NFL. JBJ and the Toronto group have a far larger corporate network, and much better possibility of selling those corporations on advertising, suites, PSL's etc. Pegs brings nothing to the table except the same-ol'/same ol' lightweight Buffalo businesses that already don't support the two professional teams enough.

      4--NFL Insider--In all honesty, one of the things I like least about JBJ is his ties with Bob Kraft, but one has to face reality...by virtue of their relationship, JBJ already has connections and access to the power players in the league. JBJ, with Kraft's support, will automatically bring credibility to the team within the ownership circles, while Pegula is an outsider trying to buy his way in.

      5--Track record--Granted, Bon Jovi has none (well, except for the Soul of the AFL). Pegula, however, has the feather in his cap of taking an existing professional franchise and driving it to the bottom of the standings. Woo-hoo...just what we need for a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade and a half.

      6--The Jimbo Factor--IMO Pegs wants nothing more out of Kelly than what his current role is...a team ambassador on the payroll. Maybe even not that. JBJ's group at least recognizes at this point the value of including Kelly on a larger scale, and is willing to consider it.

      7--Passion--Bon Jovi wants to own an NFL team. JBJ loves football, and the NFL. The Buffalo Bills would instantly become a part of JBJ's everyday life, and nobody would work harder to create a winner. Pegs is a hockey fan, first and foremost, and his priority will always be Sabres #1, Bills #2. JBJ would eventually bleed Bills red and blue, Pegula will be passing the buck to others (Brandon?) and trying to find time to pay attention to the team.

      8--New stadium--Yes, Pegs has the money to build it himself. That also means he has the ability to rely on public funding less, which could (should, if he's any kind of a businessman) lead to a less restrictive lease with any county, city or state. Kind of hard to ask for non-relocation clauses or exorbitant fees if you don't have much invested into the venture. Whether or not one agrees with the concept and practice of investing public monies into sports venues, a JBJ new stadium will A)Grease the skids for the state, county and city (possibly) to pony up, and give those public entities some ground to stand on when requiring terms that will keep the team in WNY for the long time, and B)Eliminate the possibility of some point in the future Pegs just pulling up stakes from his own building and heading to greener pastures.

      Other than cash, which Pegula has already proven won't buy a winner or championship, and the public perception that Pegs is a 'home-boy' that'll keep the team in Buffalo as opposed to the rumors and speculation of JBJ/Toronto moving to Canada, the facts are Bon Jovi would probably be a better immediate, and long-term, ownership solution than Terry Pegula.
      So selling land for $1.75 BILLION DOLLARS is a sign of a poor business ability?

      And YES the fact there is speculation Bon Jovi would move the team plays a huge part in how he is perceived.

      This is the worst post you have ever posted.

      Comment

      • YardRat
        Well, lookie here...
        • Dec 2004
        • 86162

        #4
        Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

        I never said Pegs had 'poor business ability', I said his business concerns me.

        I acknowledged the connection between the speculation and the perception of the two sides.

        I didn't expect you to like this post, at all.
        YardRat Wall of Fame
        #56 DARRYL TALLEY
        #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

        Comment

        • Dr. Lecter
          Zero for Zero!
          • Mar 2003
          • 67938

          #5
          Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

          Originally posted by YardRat View Post
          Why?

          1--Business ability--JBJ is probably one of the sharpest businessmen in the music industry. He knows how to market, he knows how to publicize, he knows how to maximize his profits, he knows how to create a quality product that succeeds. He built a multi-million dollar corporation from basically nothing. Pegula and his fracking fortune concern me. One doesn't make that amount of money, that quickly, without cutting corners and/or ****ing somebody along the way. Pegs probably has a better chance of being the next Rigas, not the next Wilson, and if **** does happen to hit the fan while he is owner and prior to any long term lease/ new stadium this team will be sold and moved in a blink.

          2--National exposure--JBJ ownership will have the Bills all over the national media outlets, just by virtue of his presence. Nobody outside of WNY and Pennsylvania probably even knows who the hell Terry Pegula is, let alone how to pronounce his last name.

          3--Corporate sponsorship--A necessary evil in today's NFL. JBJ and the Toronto group have a far larger corporate network, and much better possibility of selling those corporations on advertising, suites, PSL's etc. Pegs brings nothing to the table except the same-ol'/same ol' lightweight Buffalo businesses that already don't support the two professional teams enough.

          4--NFL Insider--In all honesty, one of the things I like least about JBJ is his ties with Bob Kraft, but one has to face reality...by virtue of their relationship, JBJ already has connections and access to the power players in the league. JBJ, with Kraft's support, will automatically bring credibility to the team within the ownership circles, while Pegula is an outsider trying to buy his way in.

          5--Track record--Granted, Bon Jovi has none (well, except for the Soul of the AFL). Pegula, however, has the feather in his cap of taking an existing professional franchise and driving it to the bottom of the standings. Woo-hoo...just what we need for a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in a decade and a half.

          6--The Jimbo Factor--IMO Pegs wants nothing more out of Kelly than what his current role is...a team ambassador on the payroll. Maybe even not that. JBJ's group at least recognizes at this point the value of including Kelly on a larger scale, and is willing to consider it.

          7--Passion--Bon Jovi wants to own an NFL team. JBJ loves football, and the NFL. The Buffalo Bills would instantly become a part of JBJ's everyday life, and nobody would work harder to create a winner. Pegs is a hockey fan, first and foremost, and his priority will always be Sabres #1, Bills #2. JBJ would eventually bleed Bills red and blue, Pegula will be passing the buck to others (Brandon?) and trying to find time to pay attention to the team.

          8--New stadium--Yes, Pegs has the money to build it himself. That also means he has the ability to rely on public funding less, which could (should, if he's any kind of a businessman) lead to a less restrictive lease with any county, city or state. Kind of hard to ask for non-relocation clauses or exorbitant fees if you don't have much invested into the venture. Whether or not one agrees with the concept and practice of investing public monies into sports venues, a JBJ new stadium will A)Grease the skids for the state, county and city (possibly) to pony up, and give those public entities some ground to stand on when requiring terms that will keep the team in WNY for the long time, and B)Eliminate the possibility of some point in the future Pegs just pulling up stakes from his own building and heading to greener pastures.

          Other than cash, which Pegula has already proven won't buy a winner or championship, and the public perception that Pegs is a 'home-boy' that'll keep the team in Buffalo as opposed to the rumors and speculation of JBJ/Toronto moving to Canada, the facts are Bon Jovi would probably be a better immediate, and long-term, ownership solution than Terry Pegula.
          1. Why is JBJ a better businessman? Pegula built his business from nothing as well and it is multi-billion. Who are these people he screwed over? Where are the accounts of him doing that? Or is that an assumption on you part? Did JBJ screw anybody over? Or is his success largely based on somebody else marketing him?
          2. Why is national exposure important to the success of the team and how does JBJ provide that? Do people really care who owns the team in the long run? How much has the well known names tied up with the Dolphins helped their national exposure?
          3. What will he do to bring corporate sponsorship to the team when the real problem is that the area has no Fortune 500 companies and the fact that sponsorship spends fewer dollars here because there is less money to be made with the smaller population that also tends to be less wealthy than other NFL markets. And I would hardly call Pegula a lightweight. He has many more resources than JBJ
          4. So because he is buddies with Kraft that somehow helps? How so? Wouldn’t Pegula’s wealth also be looked upon favorably?
          5. The team was already on its way down and you seem to ignore that he finally cleaned house with the Sabres and is starting over. Perhaps, that means he learned his lesson and would do the same with the Bills.
          6. Why is including Kelly important? His status as a local icon really does not mean anything in terms of running an NFL franchise. And if the stories are true that he and his brother want final decision on football decisions, they can stay far away.
          7. That is a lot of assumption on your part about Pegula. I don’t think somebody sinks a billion dollars into something they are going to treat as secondary to something they paid 200 million for.
          8. Are you saying you would prefer that the city, state and county pay for the stadium or not? Certainly a privately held stadium does limit the connection the team has to the area. But moving a NFL team is still not always as easy as you make it sound. And, if he builds a stadium and then moves the team then his investment on the stadium is a waste. Wouldn’t that be more of a deterrent then waiting for a lease to expire and then bolting the area? If he spends 800 million to build a stadium downtown with all of the rest of his businesses, he is not going to want to leave that investment in 10 years and essentially throw that money away.


          Sorry – I just don’t see why JBJ would be a better choice.
          Originally posted by mysticsoto
          Lecter is right in everything he said.

          Comment

          • better days
            Registered User
            • Jan 2010
            • 22028

            #6
            Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
            I never said Pegs had 'poor business ability', I said his business concerns me.

            I acknowledged the connection between the speculation and the perception of the two sides.

            I didn't expect you to like this post, at all.
            You put business ability #1 on your list, then described what a great businessman Bon Jovi is.

            Yeah, that IMPLIES he is a better businessman than Pegula.

            And for BUFFALO BILLS fans keeping the Bills in Buffalo is the #1 priority at this time.

            There is paperwork that PROVES the Toronto group has plans to move the Bills,FACT.

            Like I said, your WORST post ever.

            Comment

            • DynaPaul
              Registered User
              • Sep 2003
              • 7540

              #7
              Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

              This post has to be a joke.

              Comment

              • Tiburon1724
                Registered User
                • Sep 2005
                • 368

                #8
                Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                since he'll move it to Toronto its all irrelevant.

                Comment

                • JoeMama
                  Emotion Sickness
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 18183

                  #9
                  Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                  A pile of puke > Bon Jovi

                  Sorry Yardie but no one thinks it's cool that you're stuck in 1989 and you still listen to mom rock and cry your eyes out at the front row of Bon Jovi concerts.

                  We'll keep our team. You can keep your crappy gay crush on a hairband boy.

                  Fair deal.
                  Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

                  Comment

                  • Dr. Lecter
                    Zero for Zero!
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 67938

                    #10
                    Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                    Originally posted by JoeMama View Post

                    you're stuck in 1989 and you still listen to mom rock and cry your eyes out at the front row of Bon Jovi concerts.
                    You can keep your crappy gay crush on a hairband boy.
                    Hey!!!

                    There is NOTHING wrong with that.
                    Originally posted by mysticsoto
                    Lecter is right in everything he said.

                    Comment

                    • JoeMama
                      Emotion Sickness
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 18183

                      #11
                      Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                      On the plus side of this potential tragedy, maybe if the Bills move to Toronto, Yardie will go with them so we don't have to witness anymore of cringe-worthy rationalizations about how everyone due for a payday magically sucks overnight and the wizards of conventional wisdom in our front office are the smartest men assembled in one room since the Declaration of Independence was drafted.

                      Go away forever. Thanks.

                      We're Bills fans. Not cap whores masquerading as Bills fans.
                      Last edited by JoeMama; 08-17-2014, 09:08 AM.
                      Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

                      Comment

                      • JoeMama
                        Emotion Sickness
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 18183

                        #12
                        Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                        Originally posted by Dr. Lecter View Post
                        Hey!!!

                        There is NOTHING wrong with that.
                        The rules are different for you.

                        You're Tommy!

                        You're like the Fred Jackson of this forum. It would be criminal if somebody didn't like you.

                        That means you can rock at at every Poison/Bon Jovi/Def Lepperd/Ratt concert you want. You get a free pass from me, brother.
                        Disclaimer: The sentiment expressed in this post is strictly for entertainment purposes only.

                        Comment

                        • Turf
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 8378

                          #13
                          Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                          If you can't see that Pegula is the obvious choice ten fold over Bon Jovi, then I going to use a line from the judge in"My Cousin Vinny".

                          Are you on druuugs?
                          Lou Saban: You can get it done, you can get it done. And what’s more, you’ve gotta get it done.

                          Comment

                          • coastal
                            Legendary Zoner
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 15513

                            #14
                            Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                            6--The Jimbo Factor--IMO Pegs wants nothing more out of Kelly than what his current role is...a team ambassador on the payroll. Maybe even not that. JBJ's group at least recognizes at this point the value of including Kelly on a larger scale, and is willing to consider it.
                            what exactly is this larger scale that Jim should be framed into? Realizing he's an icon and all that... hes been the default face of the franchise because outside of his tenure... the team has sucked.

                            hes nothing more than a marketing arm for the team... albeit a very popular one and that can be capitalized on.

                            as far as someone who is deciding on the direction of the organization and the team.... I want nothing to do with him.

                            not to mention or to be harsh here, but he's likely on borrowed time.

                            Comment

                            • YardRat
                              Well, lookie here...
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 86162

                              #15
                              Re: BonJovi >>> Pegula

                              Originally posted by Dr. Lecter View Post
                              1. Why is JBJ a better businessman? Pegula built his business from nothing as well and it is multi-billion. Who are these people he screwed over? Where are the accounts of him doing that? Or is that an assumption on you part? Did JBJ screw anybody over? Or is his success largely based on somebody else marketing him?
                              2. Why is national exposure important to the success of the team and how does JBJ provide that? Do people really care who owns the team in the long run? How much has the well known names tied up with the Dolphins helped their national exposure?
                              3. What will he do to bring corporate sponsorship to the team when the real problem is that the area has no Fortune 500 companies and the fact that sponsorship spends fewer dollars here because there is less money to be made with the smaller population that also tends to be less wealthy than other NFL markets. And I would hardly call Pegula a lightweight. He has many more resources than JBJ
                              4. So because he is buddies with Kraft that somehow helps? How so? Wouldn’t Pegula’s wealth also be looked upon favorably?
                              5. The team was already on its way down and you seem to ignore that he finally cleaned house with the Sabres and is starting over. Perhaps, that means he learned his lesson and would do the same with the Bills.
                              6. Why is including Kelly important? His status as a local icon really does not mean anything in terms of running an NFL franchise. And if the stories are true that he and his brother want final decision on football decisions, they can stay far away.
                              7. That is a lot of assumption on your part about Pegula. I don’t think somebody sinks a billion dollars into something they are going to treat as secondary to something they paid 200 million for.
                              8. Are you saying you would prefer that the city, state and county pay for the stadium or not? Certainly a privately held stadium does limit the connection the team has to the area. But moving a NFL team is still not always as easy as you make it sound. And, if he builds a stadium and then moves the team then his investment on the stadium is a waste. Wouldn’t that be more of a deterrent then waiting for a lease to expire and then bolting the area? If he spends 800 million to build a stadium downtown with all of the rest of his businesses, he is not going to want to leave that investment in 10 years and essentially throw that money away.


                              Sorry – I just don’t see why JBJ would be a better choice.
                              1. The fracking background and potential for litigation concerns me. Where were the accounts for Rigas before things went south? Pretty sure JBJ is the driving force behind his business, and he isn't being handled by others.
                              2. National exposure = TV. TV = ratings. Ratings = money. The NFL likes TV money.
                              3. JBJ brings national money. The rest of his group brings Canadian money. Toronto has far more potential for corporate sponsorship than Buffalo.
                              4. Of course it helps...JBJ is basically already part of the family thanks to Uncle Bob. Who do you think Kraft and his cronies are going to pimp...JBJ or Pegula?
                              5. It's easy to say the team was already going down, after the fact. Maybe the scorched earth policy he recently implemented will work...maybe it won't. The fact remains his track record to this point is documented, and not one of success.
                              6. If Kelly weren't important to the fan base, his possible connection to a future ownership group is a daily topic. Of course it's relevant, to the fans. I have to agree, If the reports are true, what they are asking for is ridiculous.
                              7. Pegs is a hockey fan...that's a fact.
                              8. I'm not stating a preference, just laying out the logistics. The stadium scenario's I laid out are very feasible. Do you really think somebody that can turn $1.7bil in cash in the matter of a couple of weeks is really going to worry about a piddly $800 million dollar building? Hell, the new location's incentive payments will probably wipe out that expense, and put a little spending cash in his pocket to boot.
                              YardRat Wall of Fame
                              #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                              #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X