I'm No Longer Worried About EJ Manuel

[BillsImpossible]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.

[WagonCircler]

I could make a list of QBs whom you've never heard of who are now in other areas of employment, but it would take me a few weeks and would put a strain on this site's bandwidth.

None of this means jack ****. And the best QBs on here were playing for teams that finished dead last or near last, which is how they acquired those QBs.

EJ Manuel is not any of these guys except for the seventh example. Period.

None of this has any bearing on how EJ turns out.

[JoeMama]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.


Of all the possible punchout endings for post, a C&C Music Factory reference was the last one I saw coming.

Kudos for a 90s jam to seal the deal.

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[Mr. Pink]

Go look at Trent Edwards stats his first full year and Losman's first full year.

Then let me know how much any of this garbage means.

[Mad Max]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.

Phew. Thanks bro, I can rest easy now.

[Mace]

Oop, I accidentally deducted rep intending to give it to BillsImpossible as I spread rep to get Pink Green in '19. Sorry BI, I'll give you rep next time I can. My buzz is harshed with dismay, atm.

[jimmifli]

[/B]

Of all the possible punchout endings for post, a C&C Music Factory reference was the last one I saw coming.

Kudos for a 90s jam to seal the deal.

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Something you didn't know you wanted until this very moment:

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Yes that's C&C Music Factory today (well in 2012). Still less embarrassing than Bon Jovi.

[GreedoII]

Another stupid thread during preseason....ugh..

[Fletch]

Another stupid thread during preseason....ugh..

Agree.

Talk about desperation in finding arguments to support one's point.

[Night Train]

I'm not worried at all. I can only watch.

The coaching staff on the other hand...

[Thurmal]

I still cannot believe this team didn't bring in a veteran backup. Even for the Bills, that was surprisingly incompetent.

[better days]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.

I'm surprised you didn't include Troy Aikman. 1989 played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 52.9, threw 9 TD's and 18 INT's for an average of 159 yards per game.

[better days]

I could make a list of QBs whom you've never heard of who are now in other areas of employment, but it would take me a few weeks and would put a strain on this site's bandwidth.

None of this means jack ****. And the best QBs on here were playing for teams that finished dead last or near last, which is how they acquired those QBs.

EJ Manuel is not any of these guys except for the seventh example. Period.

None of this has any bearing on how EJ turns out.

The point Bills Impossible was making is that even Good to GREAT QB's for the most part did not play well their rookie year.

It is too soon to tell if EJ will join the good to great QB's or guys you never heard of, now in other areas of employment.

[kishoph]

Agree.

Talk about desperation in finding arguments to support one's point.

LOL. Hello pot, meet kettle.

[Mike]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.

-Many if those players don't belong on that list. Like Wilson, Brady, Big Ben. Their # are a world apart from EJ 's.

And...

No one lies as great as a good stat!

You have to look at the QUALITATIVE Differences. Forget stats, look instead at how he got those stats!

[better days]

-Many if those players don't belong on that list. Like Wilson, Brady, Big Ben. Their # are a world apart from EJ 's.

And...

No one lies as great as a good stat!

You have to look at the QUALITATIVE Differences. Forget stats, look instead at how he got those stats!

EJ has no numbers as of yet besides his rookie numbers which match up very well to everyone on that list.

[WagonCircler]

EJ has no numbers as of yet...

He also has no Touchdowns.

But apparently an infinite number of apologists willing to offer excuses.

[better days]

He also has no Touchdowns.

But apparently an infinite number of apologists willing to offer excuses.

Not me, EJ better put up some TD's when real football starts or I want him gone.

But if EJ needs to go because of lack of TD's, I think Hackett needs to go as well.

[justasportsfan]

But if EJ needs to go because of lack of TD's, I think Hackett needs to go as well.

Not if Tuel is scoring TD's. Right now it isn't clear if it's EJ or play calling or both. EJ pretty much admitted he was playing scared last year.

[better days]

Not if Tuel is scoring TD's. Right now it isn't clear if it's EJ or play calling or both. EJ pretty much admitted he was playing scared last year.

Agreed. But Tuel seems to throw the ball much better to the other team than his own in the end zone.

[Fletch]

I still cannot believe this team didn't bring in a veteran backup. Even for the Bills, that was surprisingly incompetent.

Agree, that's usually all we have, is three veteran backups.

[Fletch]

LOL. Hello pot, meet kettle.

Once again, about posts that resemble siht dribbling from one's ******* ...

Got any substance? As usual, I didn't think so.

Talk about trolls.

[better days]

Once again, about posts that resemble siht dribbling from one's ******* ...

Got any substance? As usual, I didn't think so.

Talk about trolls.

Yeah, let's talk about trolls.

You are the Biggest troll on this board.

[ParanoidAndroid]

In 2010,Colt McCoy played 8 games, had a completion percentage of 60.8%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

In 2006, Matt Leinhart played 12 games, had a completion percentage of 56.8%, threw 11 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 212 yards passing per game.

In 2007, Trent Edwards played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 56.1%, threw 7 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 163 yards passing per game.

In 2005, JP Losman played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 49.6%, threw 8 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 148.9 yards passing per game.


Shall I go on? Those stats don't mean anything. EJ might get it, and I hope he does, but we haven't seen any evidence that he has improved yet. He's shown he has the talent, he says all the right things off the field, but he hasn't shown he has the right mindset on the field. I still have my fingers crossed, though.

[better days]

In 2010,Colt McCoy played 8 games, had a completion percentage of 60.8%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

In 2006, Matt Leinhart played 12 games, had a completion percentage of 56.8%, threw 11 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 212 yards passing per game.

In 2007, Trent Edwards played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 56.1%, threw 7 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 163 yards passing per game.

In 2005, JP Losman played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 49.6%, threw 8 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 148.9 yards passing per game.


Shall I go on? Those stats don't mean anything. EJ might get it, and I hope he does, but we haven't seen any evidence that he has improved yet. He's shown he has the talent, he says all the right things off the field, but he hasn't shown he has the right mindset on the field. I still have my fingers crossed, though.

We all have our fingers crossed.

Some people are already calling EJ a bust after 10 games, that is what this thread is about.

I don't think anybody is ready to proclaim him a savior yet.

[ParanoidAndroid]

What does "I'm no longer worried about EJ" mean, then? It sounds like you are at least somewhat confident he is actually comparable to and destined to become an All-Pro.

[better days]

What does "I'm no longer worried about EJ" mean, then? It sounds like you are at least somewhat confident he is actually comparable to and destined to become an All-Pro.

I don't think EJ is destined to become an All Pro myself, but I have hope he can still at this point.

Mike Glennon may become an All Pro as well.

[WagonCircler]

We all have our fingers crossed.

Some people are already calling EJ a bust after 10 games, that is what this thread is about.

I don't think anybody is ready to proclaim him a savior yet.

Here's the big problem. The Bills went into the season and put all their chips on EJ. They have no viable plan B.

And not only do they have no plan B after among a very questionable bet on EJ, they doubled down on it by using next year's number on on this year's Wide Receiver.

So basically, the Bills proclaimed him the savior.

And if he's not (and he sure doesn't look like a savior) they should all pay with their jobs when the new owner takes over.

- - - Updated - - -


What does "I'm no longer worried about EJ" mean, then? It sounds like you are at least somewhat confident he is actually comparable to and destined to become an All-Pro.

That really is the inescapable implication.

Totally delusional.

[better days]

Here's the big problem. The Bills went into the season and put all their chips on EJ. They have no viable plan B.

And not only do they have no plan B after among a very questionable bet on EJ, they doubled down on it by using next year's number on on this year's Wide Receiver.

So basically, the Bills proclaimed him the savior.

And if he's not (and he sure doesn't look like a savior) they should all pay with their jobs when the new owner takes over.

- - - Updated - - -



That really is the inescapable implication.

Totally delusional.

Unless the Bills make the playoffs, I would have no problem with a good house cleaning when the new owner takes over.

[swiper]

They just cleaned house last year. For the umpteenth time. Yeesh.

[Typ0]

is Manual a rookie again? Damn we have to live through two years of a rookie QB and it's the same guy? That stinks!

[WagonCircler]

They just cleaned house last year. For the umpteenth time. Yeesh.

True, but it doesn't matter that you clean house if you just do the exact same thing over and over again.

Ralph made the same types of hires over and over again. Middlers, with whom he was personally comfortable. When he occasionally varied from that pattern, the Bills won, but eventually he would get into to pissing matches and fire the winners, then go right back to the tried and true cronies.

This time, the Bills can clean house and build a brand new one. With a new owner, this team could finally get a total re-boot.

[kishoph]

is Manual a rookie again? Damn we have to live through two years of a rookie QB and it's the same guy? That stinks!

Of course he's not a rookie, he's a 10 game veteran. He's probably eligible for an full NFL pension.

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[Bill Cody]

In 2010,Colt McCoy played 8 games, had a completion percentage of 60.8%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

In 2006, Matt Leinhart played 12 games, had a completion percentage of 56.8%, threw 11 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 212 yards passing per game.

In 2007, Trent Edwards played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 56.1%, threw 7 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 163 yards passing per game.

In 2005, JP Losman played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 49.6%, threw 8 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 148.9 yards passing per game.


Shall I go on? Those stats don't mean anything. EJ might get it, and I hope he does, but we haven't seen any evidence that he has improved yet. He's shown he has the talent, he says all the right things off the field, but he hasn't shown he has the right mindset on the field. I still have my fingers crossed, though.

Wow the haters in this thread are as thick as bricks. We've all been beaten over the head about how Manuel's poor stats means he is most definitely without dispute 100% a living BUST. But any stats to the contrary to this agenda? Irrelevant and useless, naturally. How about this IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY.

[WagonCircler]

Wow the haters in this thread are as thick as bricks. We've all been beaten over the head about how Manuel's poor stats means he is most definitely without dispute 100% a living BUST. But any stats to the contrary to this agenda? Irrelevant and useless, naturally. How about this IT'S TOO EARLY TO SAY.

But the stats don't belong to EJ. They belong to Hall of Famers and very good QBs, but conveniently leave out the exponentially greater number of QBs who started out poorly and never improved.

The stats are completely irrelevant to anything EJ has done or ever will do, good, bad or indifferent.

[kishoph]

Once again, about posts that resemble siht dribbling from one's ******* ...

Got any substance? As usual, I didn't think so.

Talk about trolls.

Ha ha, I'm a troll because I call out someone that's accusing another of doing the same thing they're doing. :wtf:
Just curious, were you home schooled by your imaginary friend ? If so use the rest of your teenage years to go to a real school, or maybe even just pick up a book.

[swiper]

True, but it doesn't matter that you clean house if you just do the exact same thing over and over again.

Ralph made the same types of hires over and over again. Middlers, with whom he was personally comfortable. When he occasionally varied from that pattern, the Bills won, but eventually he would get into to pissing matches and fire the winners, then go right back to the tried and true cronies.

This time, the Bills can clean house and build a brand new one. With a new owner, this team could finally get a total re-boot.

I get it. And know you're a Pegula fan. But what you describe above happened with the Sabres and Pegula has done a terrible job. He came out and publicly proclaimed he'd turn the team around in three years and then let it drop to it's all time low. I got no faith in Pegula.

[BillsImpossible]

What does "I'm no longer worried about EJ" mean, then? It sounds like you are at least somewhat confident he is actually comparable to and destined to become an All-Pro.

I was worried about him before looking at how other "rookie," quarterbacks played in their first full seasons.

It takes time to learn how to play quarterback in the NFL. Drew Brees is a great example. San Diego let him go to the Saints and the rest is history.

People want INSTANT gratification and instant NFL rookie qb success in a bottle with a genie in it these days.

Imagine if all this, "social media," existed back in 1985 or the early 1990's?

'Kelly's A Bum!'

'John Elway Is Overrated'

'Favre Sucks!'

[WagonCircler]

I was worried about him before looking at how other "rookie," quarterbacks played in their first full seasons.

It takes time to learn how to play quarterback in the NFL. Drew Brees is a great example. San Diego let him go to the Saints and the rest is history.

People want INSTANT gratification and instant NFL rookie qb success in a bottle with a genie in it these days.

Imagine if all this, "social media," existed back in 1985 or the early 1990's?

'Kelly's A Bum!'

'John Elway Is Overrated'

'Favre Sucks!'

Dufek's a bum!

Ferragamo blows!

Kofler is BRUTAL!"

[BillsImpossible]

In 2010,Colt McCoy played 8 games, had a completion percentage of 60.8%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

In 2006, Matt Leinhart played 12 games, had a completion percentage of 56.8%, threw 11 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 212 yards passing per game.

In 2007, Trent Edwards played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 56.1%, threw 7 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 163 yards passing per game.

In 2005, JP Losman played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 49.6%, threw 8 TD's and 8 INT's for an average of 148.9 yards passing per game.


Shall I go on?

Yes, please do. EJ Manuel's rookie stats are better than everyone you mentioned.

EJ's got the right, "mental makeup," in my opinion. Nothing gets this kid down, and he knows how to put the past behind him.

Jim Kelly made a lot of bad throws in his day. "Who the hell was he throwing that to!" after an INT.....

EJ has the ability to bounce back, and I like that quality about him.

He went 4-6 last year with minimal experience, and should have been 5-5.

Troy Aikman didn't win a single game his rookie season in Dallas... Steve Walsh did.

I'm not worried about EJ.

[chris66]

The point Bills Impossible was making is that even Good to GREAT QB's for the most part did not play well their rookie year.

It is too soon to tell if EJ will join the good to great QB's or guys you never heard of, now in other areas of employment.difference is you you could see the intangibles that those QB's had that EJ doesnt

If BI actually went back and watched those games he wouldn't be making these comparisons

[chris66]

The last year with Trent rdwards. that preseason went the same way. first unit didnt score a td that entire pre season. Most on this board said don't worry about it, Its only pre season. remember how that season turned out. Deja Vu

[bleve]

I'm no longer worried about bleve in a race against Usain Bolt.

If Usain, and bleve were at the starting line, and you took the "stats" from .000001 sec. Then you'd find similar stats as far as distance covered/distance to finish, etc.

Logically, if you extrapolate this out to the remaining 100 meters, you could conclude that bleve and Usain would finish neck and neck in an exciting photo finish!

Nevermind that bleve is a well-fed middle aged white guy, and Usain is a World Class sprinter - Stats say otherwise!

[BillsImpossible]

EJ's intangible qualities are what I like about him the most.

His positive, mature approach to the game is something most young quarterbacks lack.

He's got all the physical and mental tools, and the right demeanor.

EJ Manuel doesn't give a flying turd what people think, and that's pretty awesome.

[swiper]

difference is you you could see the intangibles that those QB's had that EJ doesnt

If BI actually went back and watched those games he wouldn't be making these comparisons

The poster you were responding to demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding in what his eyes are looking at. He demonstrates it on a daily basis.

[swiper]

EJ's intangible qualities are what I like about him the most.

His positive, mature approach to the game is something most young quarterbacks lack.

He's got all the physical and mental tools, and the right demeanor.

EJ Manuel doesn't give a flying turd what people think, and that's pretty awesome.

He only lacks instinct, footwork, accuracy and toughness.

[swiper]

Nice guy. Bad QB.

[TacklingDummy]

CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

[BillsImpossible]

He only lacks instinct, footwork, accuracy and toughness.

Instinct? If EJ Manuel didn't have a natural instinct to play quarterback I don't think he would have ever started for Florida State or the Buffalo Bills.

Footwork? That's a work in progress. EJ is not a dancing bear like Ben Roethlisberger, and he's not a ballerina like Tom Brady either.

Accuracy? 59% completion percentage in his rookie year is...good.

Toughness? EJ Manuel played 10 games last year injured. He was injured before the season even started, and when the season did start he almost beat the freaking New England Patriots in his first game, and then bounced back after a close game to defeat the Carolina Panthers.

EJ Manuel was not 100% healthy all year, but he managed to play in 10 games with a 4-6 record as a rookie with very limited practice.

If Stevie Johnson and Scott Chandler didn't have butter fingers in Toronto, EJ would be 5-5 in his rookie season on one leg.

People are way too quick to judge EJ Manuel.

His rookie stats are on par or better than a lot of very good NFL quarterbacks.

Patience is a virtue.

[swiper]

You really have your head in the clouds.

Instinct - every time he looks beyond his first read he is completely lost. He takes a sack, or gets a pass batted, or gets tackled for a loss or throws horribly behind, above or under his target.

Accuracy - anyone can have 60% completion % when all he has called are single read short passes. If you didn't watch him play at Pittsburgh, which is sounds like you didn't, he threw mostly to Fred Jackson & Scott Chandler. You see the great pass he got to Jackson for (-1) yard where Jackson had 4 tacklers on him the moment he touched the ball? Manuel getting people killed won't make him many friends amongst his teammates. Or did you see the INT he threw to Chandler? He sure made Shazier look good.

Toughness - yeah. The three knee injuries shows how fragile he is.

Footwork - he is plain terrible.

[Mike]

You really have your head in the clouds.

Instinct - every time he looks beyond his first read he is completely lost. He takes a sack, or gets a pass batted, or gets tackled for a loss or throws horribly behind, above or under his target.

Accuracy - anyone can have 60% completion % when all he has called are single read short passes. If you didn't watch him play at Pittsburgh, which is sounds like you didn't, he threw mostly to Fred Jackson & Scott Chandler. You see the great pass he got to Jackson for (-1) yard where Jackson had 4 tacklers on him the moment he touched the ball? Manuel getting people killed won't make him many friends amongst his teammates. Or did you see the INT he threw to Chandler? He sure made Shazier look good.

Toughness - yeah. The three knee injuries shows how fragile he is.

Footwork - he is plain terrible.

You have to know that you are looking at two different things:

When BillsImpossible sees Marino, Brady, Payton Manning, Farve, Rogers, Elway, etc... throw a magnificent pass between three defenders in the waining seconds for an improbable win against a top opponent,

what BillsImpossible really sees....

is a system, a wr that got open, good coaching, defenders that misplayed the ball and lady luck.... In other words, its not the Magical QB... its not the precise pass... its not the creative play of a genius... NO, its Luck and Circumstance...

To BillsImpossible a Michael Jordan, a Picasso, a Mozart were a bunch of lucky guys who were at the right place at the right time and the paint luckily fell just right to make a masterpiece, Jordan was luckily to have an awesome team and Mozart luckily put together masterpieces by throwing notes around.... So why not EJ?

[better days]

The poster you were responding to demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding in what his eyes are looking at. He demonstrates it on a daily basis.

LMAO at you.

[chris66]

I like EJ. I hope he is the Bills qb for a while. I also wished nix would have hung around, but then again I'm a Pats fan.

[swiper]

I like EJ. I hope he is the Bills qb for a while. I also wished nix would have hung around, but then again I'm a Pats fan.

ROFL

[swiper]

Whaley: "The only issue we have with EJ is that he is a perfectionist. We tell him, 'don't be perfect, just be a football player'"

[better days]

Well, EJ had a PERFECT practice yesterday.

Completed every pass he threw yesterday.

[kishoph]

Well, EJ had a PERFECT practice yesterday.

Completed every pass he threw yesterday.

"So what it's only practice/preseason".

Manuel struggled with accuracy today at ST. John Fischer..."OMG, he's the worst QB in the league".

:clown:'s

[justasportsfan]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.


If I were a fan of those qb's, I would have been worried back then but I wouldn't be ready to call them a bust after 1 year.


Looking at a lot of those qb's in comparison to EJ, they were at least not scared to throw the ball. My biggest gripe with EJ is he played scared. He either didn't trust his receivers ,didn't trust himself to make the throw or worse he can't see what other qb's would have seen .

[ParanoidAndroid]

I watched every game last year and at no time did I think Trent Edwards had what EJ seems to have in terms of ability. Even if you watch a Trent highlight reel, it's underwhelming. Half of it is Freddie catching screens and the other half is the Jaguars game when he threw the best two passes of his career. EJ showed he can be good enough to win games. The way he played against New England and Carolina and even after a rough one against Baltimore, he made enough plays to get the win. Unless he regresses, I think he will be serviceable, at least. If he improves even a little bit, he will help win games. Robert Woods was his #1 receiver last year. I'm looking forward to what he can do with Sammy and Mike Williams in the mix. I think the key is going to be protection.

[Bill Cody]

But the stats don't belong to EJ. They belong to Hall of Famers and very good QBs

So you knew all those guys were headed to the Hall after their rookie years?

[BB4ever]

Ej is a good guy, hard worker, and smart. Thise qualities have not led to goid consistent football game performances. If the past is a indicator of the future I assume he will never be the guy.

[Mike]

In 2004 Eli Manning played 9 games, had a completion percentage of 48.2%, threw 6 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 116 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/elimanning/2505996/careerstats

In 1983 John Elway played 11 games, had a completion percentage of 48%, threw 7 TD's and 14 INT's for an average of 151 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/johnelway/2500547/careerstats

In 2008 Joe Flacco played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 60%, threw 14 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 186 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats

In 2004 Ben Roethlisberger played 14 games, had a completion percentage of 66%, threw 17 TD's and 11 INT's for an average of 187 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethlisberger/2506109/careerstats

In 2001 Tom Brady played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 12 INT's for an average of 190 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tombrady/2504211/careerstats

In 2012 Russell Wilson played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 26 TD's and 10 INT's for an average of 195 yard per game passing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/careerstats

In 2013 EJ Manuel played 10 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 11 TD's and 9 INT's for an average of 197 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ejmanuel/2539228/careerstats

In 1992 Brett Favre played 15 games, had a completion percentage of 64%, threw 18 TD's and 13 INT's for an average of 215 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brettfavre/2500606/careerstats

In 1986 Jim Kelly played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 59%, threw 22 TD's and 17 INT's for an average of 225 yards passing per game.

http://www.nfl.com/player/jimkelly/2501579/careerstats

In 1998 Peyton Manning played 16 games, had a completion percentage of 57%, threw 26 TD's and 28 INT's for an average of 234 yards ppg.

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmanning/2501863/careerstats

Things that make you go....hmmmmm.

:) Are you worried yet?

[BillsImpossible]

:) Are you worried yet?

I was thinking about this post last night, ready to eat a big bowl of crow and admit I'm worried.

Then I saw the start of the second half and felt much better after seeing Mike Wiliams catch a touchdown.

It was the complete reversal of what we saw at the start of the game.

EJ looked great on the drive. I'm not sure if he was playing against the entire Bucs 2nd team defense, but regardless, EJ looked great on the 2nd drive too.

What changed? He started throwing the ball down the field instead of dink and dunk passes. The playbook was opened up, just a little, and the Bills scored two touchdowns - NOT field goals.

So why did the Bills only run 4 basic plays in the first half?

Tampa Bay's defense is very similar to Chicago's defense.

I don't think any coach in their right mind would approach last night's game by showing exactly how they're going to attack Chicago's defense.

EJ looked like crap in the first half, yes, but I think most quarterbacks would look like crap if they were given 4 plays to work and the defense knew it.

I think the first half had two goals: 1. Stay healthy, 2. Show nothing. Mission accomplished.

I'm worried about whether or not the Bills showed too much in the 2nd half that Chicago can game plan against.

I'm also worried about the new emphasis on not being able to lay a single hand on a receiver past 5 yards, and the overly sensitive, "illegal hands to the face," calls on offensive lineman. Games are going to be 4 hours long if the NFL continues this BS.

Wood's illegal block in the back call was total crap, and I forgot who's illegal hands to the face penalty was ridiculous.

One of the Bill's defensive backs was called for illegal holding past 5 yards after the receiver basically ran into him.

On the bright side, though...the new rules mean that EJ doesn't have to be perfect. Just throw the ball down the field, and if a cornerback does so much as lay his pinky finger on the receiver past 5 yards, it's a penalty.

The NFL wants more scoring, and they're going to get it.

I'm not worried about EJ Manuel.

[chris66]

unfortunately Bills could be down 24-0 before the end of the half. against number 1's that offense was beyond putrid. I know you guys have to pull for EJ because thats all you have, but that was a horrible performance