EJ Manual and him getting better

[DesertFox24]

Look we do not know if EJ is going to be good or bad come 7 September.

The point of this thread is to explain what I think Buffalo is going to do with him and what I am hoping with happen.

Buffalo is looking at EJ as a Joe Flacco kind of experience, they want to surround him with a great OL, Def, WR, and RBs. They do not want to make EJ to win the games like the Pats or Broncos do with their QBs. What they want to see is EJ get better and better every year and hope that they have a problem signing him. At that point they will resign him and have to let guys walk.

[ServoBillieves]

All signs so far, if preseason is an indication, that EJ might struggle on September 7th and throughout the season. I, for one, hope that he gets it, and we see a lot of different i.e. GOOD things from him, such as throwing the ball downfield/not taking sacks.

As to the rest of your post... What?

[DesertFox24]

All signs so far, if preseason is an indication, that EJ might struggle on September 7th and throughout the season. I, for one, hope that he gets it, and we see a lot of different i.e. GOOD things from him, such as throwing the ball downfield/not taking sacks.

As to the rest of your post... What?

I was rushed

Summary:

The bills know EJ manual is no luck or Peyton as a result they need a great team around him and hope he develops into a good QB over the course of 5 years. Meanwhile because the team is talented they will still win games in be in the postseason. At that point once EJ is up for a new contract hopefully he has developed and become a good enough QB he does not need all that talent around him to win.

He will never be Tom Brady and have scrubs and make them look like pro bowlers but hopefully we can one or two legit receiving options, LT, RT locked up, a good RB and the offense will still click with plug and play parts and young players on first contracts.

[EDS]

I was rushed

Summary:

The bills know EJ manual is no luck or Peyton as a result they need a great team around him and hope he develops into a good QB over the course of 5 years. Meanwhile because the team is talented they will still win games in be in the postseason. At that point once EJ is up for a new contract hopefully he has developed and become a good enough QB he does not need all that talent around him to win.

He will never be Tom Brady and have scrubs and make them look like pro bowlers but hopefully we can one or two legit receiving options, LT, RT locked up, a good RB and the offense will still click with plug and play parts and young players on first contracts.

Ineresting. Assuming he can become Flacco, do you ever sign him to a big money deal or just go out and get someone to replace him when his rookie contract expires?

[Fletch]

Look we do not know if EJ is going to be good or bad come 7 September.

We have a pretty good idea that he's going to suck all season long and struggle to improve if he does at all, just as happened at FSU. To think anything else at this point is baseless speculation.

The more important thing is going to be how much of the organization, at least the personnel part, Pegula cans before he hires a new GM. Hopefully it's the entire personnel section and hopefully they don't hire anyone with any ties to anything in NYS or Pittsburgh.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

well, the problem with the Flacco comparison is that Flacco actually throws the ball deep and can connect.

[don137]

I was not a fan of Fitzpatrick at all but I truly wonder if the Bills have regressed at the QB position with Manuel.

I know its preseason and maybe he will open it up during the regular season a little more however, he is very inaccurate and I just don't see all of sudden it clicking with him on September 7th.

[djjimkelly]

evryone needs to calm down we arent running our full offense or anytrhing more then what marrone wants to show. i think ej will be fine

[jamze132]

evryone needs to calm down we arent running our full offense or anytrhing more then what marrone wants to show. i think ej will be fine

If they're having issues running the vanilla basic plays, what the hell do you expect them to do when everyone could have multiple assignments?

[Mr. Pink]

evryone needs to calm down we arent running our full offense or anytrhing more then what marrone wants to show. i think ej will be fine

You thought JP Losman was awesome too.

Your opinion on QBs is meaningless.

[DynaPaul]

well, the problem with the Flacco comparison is that Flacco actually throws the ball deep and can connect.

And won a Super Bowl.

[kishoph]

well, the problem with the Flacco comparison is that Flacco actually throws the ball deep and can connect.

It's true Flacco does throw the ball down field more than Manuel, but saying he connects more is misleading.

Last season in passes 11- 20 yds. Flacco had 128 att. and connected on 55 for 43.0 % comp. Manuel was 25 of 54 for 46.3% comp. Let's not forget Flacco played in 6+ games more.
As far as the "deep ball", in passes 21-30 yds. Flacco attempted 51 and connected 8 for a 15.7% comp. Manuel attempted 19 and connected on 6 for a 31.6% comp. That's 2 less passes completed than Flacco in 32 less attempts, in the range. Passes thrown between 31 and 40 yds. Flacco had 11 attempts and connected on 3 of them for 27.3% Manuel attempted 9 and completed 2 for 22..2% One less completion than Flacco, also in that range EJ had 1 TD while Flacco threw 2 ints. 0 TD's. Passes over 41 yds. Flacco attempted 16 and connected on 4 for 25% comp. Manuel attempted 5 and connected on 1 for a TD and threw 1 int, while Flacco threw 1 TD with no ints. in that range.

So it turns out that Flacco completed 4 more passes thrown over 31 yds. than Manuel, in 6+ more games, so I guess your post is correct, even though I'm sure you were trying to imply something other than Flacco connected 4 more deep passes than Manuel. Also it turns out that in passes thrown between 11 and 30 yds. Manuel is more accurate.
Just for kicks, last season Flacco's y/a was 6.37, while Manuel's was 6.44.. I'll be truthful though Flacco does have a higher y/a than Manuel this preseason. This is not my opinion, these are facts.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

It's true Flacco does throw the ball down field more than Manuel, but saying he connects more is misleading.

Last season in passes 11- 20 yds. Flacco had 128 att. and connected on 55 for 43.0 % comp. Manuel was 25 of 54 for 46.3% comp. Let's not forget Flacco played in 6+ games more.
As far as the "deep ball", in passes 21-30 yds. Flacco attempted 51 and connected 8 for a 15.7% comp. Manuel attempted 19 and connected on 6 for a 31.6% comp. That's 2 less passes completed than Flacco in 32 less attempts, in the range. Passes thrown between 31 and 40 yds. Flacco had 11 attempts and connected on 3 of them for 27.3% Manuel attempted 9 and completed 2 for 22..2% One less completion than Flacco, also in that range EJ had 1 TD while Flacco threw 2 ints. 0 TD's. Passes over 41 yds. Flacco attempted 16 and connected on 4 for 25% comp. Manuel attempted 5 and connected on 1 for a TD and threw 1 int, while Flacco threw 1 TD with no ints. in that range.

So it turns out that Flacco completed 4 more passes thrown over 31 yds. than Manuel, in 6+ more games, so I guess your post is correct, even though I'm sure you were trying to imply something other than Flacco connected 4 more deep passes than Manuel. Also it turns out that in passes thrown between 11 and 30 yds. Manuel is more accurate.
Just for kicks, last season Flacco's y/a was 6.37, while Manuel's was 6.44.. I'll be truthful though Flacco does have a higher y/a than Manuel this preseason. This is not my opinion, these are facts.

point taken. however, i still feel that the fact that he is willing to throw down the field MORE softens up the opposing defenses more because defenses have to respect the higher possibility of him throwing the long ball.

granted, this is not a fact, just my opinion

[Bill Cody]

We have a pretty good idea that he's going to suck all season long

I have a pretty good idea your posts are going to suck all season long.

[Bill Cody]

I was not a fan of Fitzpatrick at all but I truly wonder if the Bills have regressed at the QB position with Manuel.

I know its preseason and maybe he will open it up during the regular season a little more however, he is very inaccurate and I just don't see all of sudden it clicking with him on September 7th.

It's not a shocker. Fitz was a limited player but he was a vet with a lot of smarts. Manuel is still very raw. The best hope is he improves gradually as the year goes on which is possible.

[Night Train]

Hackett needs to call better plays. That could help.

[Dr. Who]

If they're having issues running the vanilla basic plays, what the hell do you expect them to do when everyone could have multiple assignments?

See, when they run vanilla plays, and pretty much the same ones over and over again, and they don't game plan, the result is predictable. It should be obvious. Apparently, it isn't to you.

[Meathead]

things look a lot worse for ej right now than they really are. he had a very bad luck game last time out early on, a pick instead of an ez completion when chandler slipped at exactly the wrong time, receivers dropping balls like bubbles the butter fingered hooker, and a sack/barely fumble that magically gets returned from the ground with players from both teams piled on top of each other like a game of human pick up stix. he also was pretty inaccurate at times, likely the result of a brand new right oline combo being unusually porous

other times in the preseason he has looked good, moving the ball crisply, running through reads, and finding the right guy. hes also been good with timing routes, throwing the ball before the receiver makes his break

im not going to declare him the next jim kelly but the massive overreaction has been comical. hes definitely improved over last season and i expect hes going to be considerably better this sophomore season. idk if hes going to end up being the franchise guy we all want or not, but nobody can know that right now. i know for sure hes gonna be better than the majority of falling sky fans are projecting right now

[Mike]

It's true Flacco does throw the ball down field more than Manuel, but saying he connects more is misleading.

Last season in passes 11- 20 yds. Flacco had 128 att. and connected on 55 for 43.0 % comp. Manuel was 25 of 54 for 46.3% comp. Let's not forget Flacco played in 6+ games more.
As far as the "deep ball", in passes 21-30 yds. Flacco attempted 51 and connected 8 for a 15.7% comp. Manuel attempted 19 and connected on 6 for a 31.6% comp. That's 2 less passes completed than Flacco in 32 less attempts, in the range. Passes thrown between 31 and 40 yds. Flacco had 11 attempts and connected on 3 of them for 27.3% Manuel attempted 9 and completed 2 for 22..2% One less completion than Flacco, also in that range EJ had 1 TD while Flacco threw 2 ints. 0 TD's. Passes over 41 yds. Flacco attempted 16 and connected on 4 for 25% comp. Manuel attempted 5 and connected on 1 for a TD and threw 1 int, while Flacco threw 1 TD with no ints. in that range.

So it turns out that Flacco completed 4 more passes thrown over 31 yds. than Manuel, in 6+ more games, so I guess your post is correct, even though I'm sure you were trying to imply something other than Flacco connected 4 more deep passes than Manuel. Also it turns out that in passes thrown between 11 and 30 yds. Manuel is more accurate.
Just for kicks, last season Flacco's y/a was 6.37, while Manuel's was 6.44.. I'll be truthful though Flacco does have a higher y/a than Manuel this preseason. This is not my opinion, these are facts.

Accuracy is far more than completion percentage & Stats. You also have to consider ball placement, drops, and the play itself.

If Flacco throws a 40yrd pass into the end zone which the WR catches or drops is a lot different than EJ manual throwing a 7yard pass that the WR takes 33yards to the house.


Look at their QBR and that will give you a better understanding of individual performance. It considers what was open and possible on each play and how much the QB had to do in a given situation towards the outcome.

[Forward_Lateral]

If they're having issues running the vanilla basic plays, what the hell do you expect them to do when everyone could have multiple assignments?

Kinda hard to execute properly when the defense basically knows what's coming. It goes both ways. The announcers even mentioned the bills were running the same 4 plays basically and just switching whether they ran them right or left.

[DesertFox24]

things look a lot worse for ej right now than they really are. he had a very bad luck game last time out early on, a pick instead of an ez completion when chandler slipped at exactly the wrong time, receivers dropping balls like bubbles the butter fingered hooker, and a sack/barely fumble that magically gets returned from the ground with players from both teams piled on top of each other like a game of human pick up stix. he also was pretty inaccurate at times, likely the result of a brand new right oline combo being unusually porous

other times in the preseason he has looked good, moving the ball crisply, running through reads, and finding the right guy. hes also been good with timing routes, throwing the ball before the receiver makes his break

im not going to declare him the next jim kelly but the massive overreaction has been comical. hes definitely improved over last season and i expect hes going to be considerably better this sophomore season. idk if hes going to end up being the franchise guy we all want or not, but nobody can know that right now. i know for sure hes gonna be better than the majority of falling sky fans are projecting right now


I agree completely. Everyone seems to want the quick fix turnaround guys.

What people are not realizing is the Seahawks, 49ners, Bengals all had good defenses, good OLs, and good running games. This allowed them to not put it all on the young QB.

Another thing people fail to realize is Andrew Luck's and Peyton Mannings are called once in a generation players for a reason. Guys that good do not come out often, more times than not teams will have to build a team around a QB that is good and let the QB grow and grow.

The problem Bills fans have is a general lack of knowledge of the game and 14 years of suck. Everyone wants to blame the QB and in some cases it might not be his fault at all IE the interception, or the OL penalties that killed 3 consecutive drives.

Bottom line is we have two good games week 1 and week 2, we will have the answers we want after those two games.

Questions I am referring too are is our running game going to be this bad, EJ manual deep ball throws, Hackett play calling.

The other knock on EJ I just do not understand he never throws it deep, we cannot see on the TV if any WRs are open. Why force a throw to a covered WR just to do.

Tom Brady does not throw deep all that often and no one says anything about him being captain check down. EJ did have a 6.4 YPA last year and that is not bad for a rookie, considering 7 is where people consider elite QBs

[DesertFox24]

My lord what do we have 12 days till game time. Just relax and stop the whining or over estimating and just let them play and lets wait to complain till we have real football to talk about.

[justasportsfan]

Look we do not know if EJ is going to be good or bad come 7 September.

The point of this thread is to explain what I think Buffalo is going to do with him and what I am hoping with happen.

Buffalo is looking at EJ as a Joe Flacco kind of experience, they want to surround him with a great OL, Def, WR, and RBs. They do not want to make EJ to win the games like the Pats or Broncos do with their QBs. What they want to see is EJ get better and better every year and hope that they have a problem signing him. At that point they will resign him and have to let guys walk.


I agree however, the team is built to WIN NOW at almost every position but the most important position on the team. The QB.

This team reminds me of how Moulds and co. did not like it when the bills put in JP Losman instead of Bledsoe. Moulds and co. were ready to win then and got set back with Losman.

[kishoph]

point taken. however, i still feel that the fact that he is willing to throw down the field MORE softens up the opposing defenses more because defenses have to respect the higher possibility of him throwing the long ball.

granted, this is not a fact, just my opinion

You also need a line to give you the time and receivers to get open to make it work. This preseason the Steelers and the Bucs both sat back and didn't give the Bills anything deep, also the O-line hasn't been to stellar this preseason to where any of our QB's have had time, except in the 3rd quarter last week when our starters went against the Bucs 2nd teamers, then EJ had time and the receivers got open. QB's receive to much credit and blame, sure they have the most important position, but they can't block, run routes and catch. Before the starters scored everyone blamed EJ, but EJ didn't drop a pass in the endzone, EJ didn't fail to run the ball in 3 times from the 2. EJ didn't refuse to throw the flag for the PI against Woods or fail to block out the DB on the goal line. The offense hasn't looked great this preseason, but it's not one players fault and too many people believe it is and it's snowballed to where everyone is ready to throw in the towel and it's only the ****ing preseason. This is why I defend Manuel, not because I think he's gonna be great, but he deserves a chance to show he can be good. End rant ! sorry

[justasportsfan]

I agree completely. Everyone seems to want the quick fix turnaround guys.



tell that to Whaley. They traded next years 1st rd. pick for a wr who they think is a quick fix.

[Fletch]

evryone needs to calm down we arent running our full offense or anytrhing more then what marrone wants to show. i think ej will be fine

Yet you seem to think that the 1st-team D's that we've been playing have been pulling out all the stops?

Come on, really?

[Meathead]

theyve certainly gone all-in on esteban joaquin. assuming pears and henderson become the new bartlett and florence, the oline could be downright beastly as a unit. it might not take a lot from ej to threaten a playoff spot but he does need to become a little steadier

[djjimkelly]

You thought JP Losman was awesome too.

Your opinion on QBs is meaningless.

no i dont want losman part 2 lets see what the kid can do for a full 16 then ridicule him if needed and losman is 10 years ago bud im over it obviously u arent lol

[swiper]

Hackett needs to call better plays. That could help.

Hackett calling better plays is going to make Manuel more accurate? Not. Try again.