New Front Office

**Gilly** · 08-30-2014, 03:25 PM

Re: New Front Office

go jump into the lake...

**stuckincincy** · 08-30-2014, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Cynical View Post

May as well start this now.

Who do you want to see for the new GM/HC when this current circus is fired at the end of the season?

If you were the new owner, would you go with an NFL retread or college experiment?

I doubt they will be able to get a high calibre guy since no one wants to go to B'lo (we all remember the embarrassment before Marrone was hired) However that may change if the new owner can convince him that he is deadly serious about building a contender, and of course offers insane amounts of cash. I'm just not sure who is out there that would be that guy.

We're seeing first hand how a college guy can fail miserably. But, there are some success stories as well in the league. Any college coaches you'd like to see?

Some may say I'm giving up too soon but I'm just being a realist. They've gone through 6 coaches and 5 GMs in the 16 years since Levy retired. There's absolutely no reason next season will be any different, given what we've seen to this point. Maybe a new owner will have the ability to get the right FO in place to get the team back to being a contender. That's my hope, anyway.

They will be elbowing each other, tripping ankles and so on to get jobs with a new organization. The guild called the NFL has only 32 outlet stores. What we now call networking was called cronyism and nepotism in years past.

The new owner will bring in his extended buddy network. Will they be good football men? Who knows?

**Mr. Cynical** · 08-30-2014, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by stuckincincy View Post

The new owner will bring in his extended buddy network. Will they be good football men? Who knows

Fair point....likely the GM will be the buddy, then the HC will be the GM's buddy... So, to your point, let's hope the new owner is buddies with a good GM.

**Generalissimus Gibby** · 08-30-2014, 03:38 PM

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When the dust settles, I want the following

1) A proven winner in the NFL as an HC
2) A proven talent analyst as GM
3) An owner with an open checkbook, and the tenacity to sign the players we need

**stuckincincy** · 08-30-2014, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Cynical View Post

Fair point....likely the GM will be the buddy, then the HC will be the GM's buddy... So, to your point, let's hope the new owner is buddies with a good GM.

Indeed. The worries are manifest. Will a purchase be by someone looking for a comfortable cash cow? Purchased by a fellow of means for reasons assuaging his ego?

I personally feel that the NFL survives today because of an unholy alliance with the tv business.

**jills** · 08-30-2014, 03:45 PM

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Malzahn, Harbaugh...

Hey, a guy can dream right?

**Mr. Cynical** · 08-30-2014, 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by stuckincincy View Post

Indeed. The worries are manifest. Will a purchase be by someone looking for a comfortable cash cow? Purchased by a fellow of means for reasons assuaging his ego?

I personally feel that the NFL survives today because of an unholy alliance with the tv business.

True...so the question I have is, does it really matter if your team wins? Meaning, given the revenue sharing, does a winning team make more money than a loser? Did Dallas make more money when it was winning SBs vs not making the playoffs? I'd assume that the more crap you sell (jerseys, hats, etc) the more you make, but I don't know if that is shared as well. Do you make more if your team is on national TV more often? Again, I think it's shared but could be wrong. I'm reasonably sure stadium concessions don't get shared but don't know for sure. So net net, what revenue is specifically tied to the team's performance? If it's marginal, then unfortunately we could end up with a status quo owner milking the NFL cash cow. Really hope that's not the case...

**stuckincincy** · 08-30-2014, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Cynical View Post

True...so the question I have is, does it really matter if your team wins? Meaning, given the revenue sharing, does a winning team make more money than a loser? Did Dallas make more money when it was winning SBs vs not making the playoffs? I'd assume that the more crap you sell (jerseys, hats, etc) the more you make, but I don't know if that is shared as well. Do you make more if your team is on national TV more often? Again, I think it's shared but could be wrong. So net net, what revenue is specifically tied to the team's performance? If it's marginal, then unfortunately we could end up with a status quo owner milking the NFL cash cow. Really hope that's not the case...

The trinket $ goes to the licensing team.

Winning sells more trinkets, long years of national exposure sells more trinkets - folks in Iowa are more likely to buy Dallas trash than Buffalo or Cincinnati trash. The whole idea of such is fascinating marketing - who would spend $ for a General Motors mug or a Citibank jersey?

As far as I know, there's nothing that would force a club to straighten up their act. Not these days, anyway.

I do recall other owners taking B'gals owner Brown to the woodshed in the '90's for being a drag on the overall league image and profit picture, making him modify his blatant skinflint ways. I remember reading about former 1st rnd pick Ki-Jana Carter (what a shame about his injuries..he really would have been something) bringing in towels and soap into camp because they weren't provided.

To answer your first sentence - I don't think it matters anymore. You need an owner who wants to win. Folks like to bang on the 'Skins owner Snyder and all his goofy moves. I find him just rolling the dice to get a winner because he can afford to do so.

**Typ0** · 08-30-2014, 04:23 PM

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If Pegula gets the team things will get real ... if he doesn't there will be no changes.

**YardRat** · 08-30-2014, 04:55 PM

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I'm OK with the approach this front office has taken and many of the moves they've made, although admittedly some are real head-scratchers and they certainly aren't perfect. I'm also willing to give Marrone this season, at least, to see if he can build something positive instead of continuing the status quo of sucking. One thing this organization hasn't had in 15 seasons is continuity...that's important, and takes more than a couple of seasons to establish and build on.

That being said, I'll play along just for the sake of the game...If the defense performs up to, or surpasses, expectations and the offense fails to improve I'd be OK with elevating Schwartz to the HC job. Far more important than that, and something that I would insist on if I were owner, would be the hiring of experienced and established coordinators for all three phases of the game. If Schwartz wasn't an option, I'd prefer somebody with experience elsewhere (Wisenhunt, Kubiak, Munchak etc) but definitely not anybody that has already won a title and/or has a huge ego (Shanahan, Cowher...) I want somebody that is still hungry and has something to prove, not a 'name' guy that is cashing in on previous success and as history has shown almost zero chance to repeat it elsewhere.

For GM, bring in a guy that has had success elsewhere as the #2, like Eric DeCosta or Joel Patten.

**Skooby** · 08-30-2014, 05:00 PM

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Go Whiz on a electric fence.

**The Jokeman** · 08-30-2014, 06:09 PM

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Originally posted by YardRat View Post

I'm OK with the approach this front office has taken and many of the moves they've made, although admittedly some are real head-scratchers and they certainly aren't perfect. I'm also willing to give Marrone this season, at least, to see if he can build something positive instead of continuing the status quo of sucking. One thing this organization hasn't had in 15 seasons is continuity...that's important, and takes more than a couple of seasons to establish and build on.

That being said, I'll play along just for the sake of the game...If the defense performs up to, or surpasses, expectations and the offense fails to improve I'd be OK with elevating Schwartz to the HC job. Far more important than that, and something that I would insist on if I were owner, would be the hiring of experienced and established coordinators for all three phases of the game. If Schwartz wasn't an option, I'd prefer somebody with experience elsewhere (Wisenhunt, Kubiak, Munchak etc) but definitely not anybody that has already won a title and/or has a huge ego (Shanahan, Cowher...) I want somebody that is still hungry and has something to prove, not a 'name' guy that is cashing in on previous success and as history has shown almost zero chance to repeat it elsewhere.

For GM, bring in a guy that has had success elsewhere as the #2, like Eric DeCosta or Joel Patten.

While I'm not ready to toss aside Whaley and Marrone would you accept Floyd Reese and Jim Schwartz? As Reese used to be the top guy with the Titans but recently is in a secondary role with the Patriots.

**jamze132** · 08-30-2014, 06:18 PM

Re: New Front Office

HC: Wade Phillips
OC: Chan Gailey
DC: Dick Jauron

**kingJofNYC** · 08-30-2014, 06:38 PM

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They ignored the QB position all offseason, then a week before the season starts they realize how ****ing dumb they were, grab a bag full of money and throw $5m this season at Kyle Orton.

No strategy in place to build a winner, just a desperate attempt to try and secure a playoff spot (HAHAHAHA) so they can point to that as success for the new owner. Meanwhile the team will be worse off in 2015 than they are in 2014 as hard as that it is to believe.

Hilariously bad. Makes me yearn for the days of Donahoe.

Franchise is at rock bottom, they're the worst team in football top to bottom. Not the worst talent, but the worst run and coached team.

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