Orton is getting $5 Million this year, yeah he's a back-up QB

[Skooby]

$5 Million this season, LOL. EJ will be watching this guy start sooner than later.

[Dr. Lecter]

Why? 5 million is not starter money

[jills]

Bad news for Manuel, Orton will start sooner rather than later.

[kingJofNYC]

Why? 5 million is not starter money

That's how much the Bucs are paying their starter.

As I mentioned in a couple of other threads, another haste decision. All off season we discussed the backup, or lack there of, QB situation, they did nothing to address it. EJ continued to play like ****, and then a week before the season starts they get desperate. Too funny.

No plan, no idea on how to build a winner, just try and desperately patch a sinking ship. Like rats they seek refuge, but it's inevitable, they'll be dead by early November at the latest. This front office will be blown up once again, and 2015 will be worse than 2014 because these fools went all in on 2014, even though they had no ****ing QB capable of leading a team on the roster.

[Mace]

As well he should be for agreeing to come here.

[GingerP]

Why? 5 million is not starter money

It means they wanted him really bad. It means EJ is on the shortest of leashes, because the current front office and staff need to win some games or the new owner is going to power-wash the entire operation and start over.

Basically, the pressure is on EJ to show some progress, something he hasn't done at all, or he will be on the bench and they will hope Orton can save their behinds. I give it to the start of October at the latest.

[YardRat]

I heard somewhere that the Rams were also pursuing Orton, so maybe the Bills had to sweeten the pot to get him to come here, and not miss out.

#1-Orton has only been on the market for six weeks, so it's not like Buffalo had an opportunity to sign him prior to mid-July.
#2-If there was competition for his services, how about for once giving the front office props for stepping up and getting him in here, instead of pissing and moaning over 'what took so long?'.

[Dr. Lecter]

As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

[Mr. Pink]

As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

How do you try to sign a guy for a few months when he was under contract elsewhere still a little over a month ago?

[YardRat]

As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham

I saw one of the posts, but don't know how it could be a few months when he was a Cowboy until July 15th.

[black N yellow]

As I posted twice now, the Bills had been trying to sign him for a few months according to Tim Graham


The Tim Graham part explains everything.

[Skooby]

Sure Tim is right, even though he's only been available for a little over a month.

[OpIv37]

We are so far under the cap that this is completely irrelevant.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't know the play book yet, especially given EJ's injury history.

[Skooby]

We are so far under the cap that this is completely irrelevant.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't know the play book yet, especially given EJ's injury history.

Would you like him to just pull a Matrix and it's all Piped into his brain ?

[The Jokeman]

We are so far under the cap that this is completely irrelevant.

I'm more concerned with the fact that he doesn't know the play book yet, especially given EJ's injury history.

That's why you protect yourself and sign Tuel or Thad Lewis to the PS tomorrow. The truth is backup QBs are nothing more than insurance policies and most teams would struggle if they were asked to start their backup QB no matter how long they've been on the roster.

[Don't Panic]

I'm less concerned about the money (which is no where near starter money) and more concerned about the impression this leaves that they don't seem to know what they're doing. I get that the Dougs are a little over a year into their gigs and that there is still a lot to be learned, but this just gives the perception that they are incompetent about some major personnel issues. This can be survived, but it is hardly a good sign.

[OpIv37]

Would you like him to just pull a Matrix and it's all Piped into his brain ?

What I would like is that the team realized that the backup situation was a cluster**** months ago and had a viable backup in camp. In the end we got a better player as a backup, but at the expense of systems knowledge.

It's organizational dysfunction at an absurd level.

[YardRat]

What I would like is that the team realized that the backup situation was a cluster**** months ago and had a viable backup in camp. In the end we got a better player as a backup, but at the expense of systems knowledge.

It's organizational dysfunction at an absurd level.

Who did you want them to pick up months ago?

[YardRat]

Here's a list, just to refresh anybody's memory...


Derek Anderson (http://www.nfl.com/player/derekanderson/2506546/profile), Carolina Panthers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR)
Jimmy Clausen (http://www.nfl.com/player/jimmyclausen/497108/profile), Carolina Panthers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR)
Kellen Clemens (http://www.nfl.com/player/kellenclemens/2506895/profile), St. Louis Rams (http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL)
Matt Flynn (http://www.nfl.com/player/mattflynn/367/profile), Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB)
Josh Freeman (http://www.nfl.com/player/joshfreeman/79557/profile), Minnesota Vikings (http://www.nfl.com/teams/minnesotavikings/profile?team=MIN)
David Garrard (http://www.nfl.com/player/davidgarrard/2505101/profile), New York Jets (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/profile?team=NYJ)
Rex Grossman (http://www.nfl.com/player/rexgrossman/2505623/profile), Washington Redskins (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS)
Shaun Hill (http://www.nfl.com/player/shaunhill/2504833/profile), Detroit Lions (http://www.nfl.com/teams/detroitlions/profile?team=DET)
Tarvaris Jackson (http://www.nfl.com/player/tarvarisjackson/2495863/profile), Seattle Seahawks (http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)
Jon Kitna (http://www.nfl.com/player/jonkitna/2501630/profile), Dallas Cowboys (http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/profile?team=DAL)
Josh McCown (http://www.nfl.com/player/joshmccown/2505076/profile), Chicago Bears (http://www.nfl.com/teams/chicagobears/profile?team=CHI)
Luke McCown (http://www.nfl.com/player/lukemccown/2506053/profile), New Orleans Saints (http://www.nfl.com/teams/neworleanssaints/profile?team=NO)
Colt McCoy (http://www.nfl.com/player/coltmccoy/497123/profile), San Francisco 49ers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF)
Dan Orlovsky (http://www.nfl.com/player/danorlovsky/2506481/profile), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tampabaybuccaneers/profile?team=TB)
Curtis Painter (http://www.nfl.com/player/curtispainter/81300/profile), New York Giants (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG)
Jordan Palmer (http://www.nfl.com/player/jordanpalmer/2507237/profile), Chicago Bears (http://www.nfl.com/teams/chicagobears/profile?team=CHI)
Brady Quinn (http://www.nfl.com/player/bradyquinn/2495714/profile), St. Louis Rams (http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL)
Rusty Smith (http://www.nfl.com/player/rustysmith/1037844/profile), Tennessee Titans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN)
Michael Vick (http://www.nfl.com/player/michaelvick/2504531/profile), Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI)
Seneca Wallace (http://www.nfl.com/player/senecawallace/2505562/profile), Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB)
Charlie Whitehurst (http://www.nfl.com/player/charliewhitehurst/2495974/profile), San Diego Chargers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD)

[jimbohastle51]

Orton threatened retirement so he could get cut and find a team with a chance to play... Then does the smart thing and waits out the pre season for an injury to occur. After the Bradford injury as well as other teams with shaky qb play his services come into demand. He then commands a ridiculous amount of money from a qb hungry team (the bills) and gets paid. Well done sir.

You can be mad at the Bills for signing him but do not be mad at him for getting paid well for his services. He rolled the dice by demanding out of Dallas and it paid off for him. You are worth what they will pay you.

As far as him as a fit for Buffalo... I feel he is better than qb's like Cassel, Henne, and Locker but not as good as qb's like C. Palmer, P. Rivers, or Dalton. He fits the Alex Smith mold IMO. A guy that can move an offense and not make a ton of mistakes but he is not a guy who will win games from behind in the 4th quarter. Or blow you away by his play. He was definetly the best QB available in a poor QB market and was the recipient of a grossly high salary because of it. Given the situation that Buffalo put themselves in, they could do worse... It could be EJ, and Tuel going into next Sunday.

[Meathead]

why would he come here if he coulda gone to the rams and started

[better days]

why would he come here if he coulda gone to the rams and started

$5 Million plus an option for a 2nd year.

[OpIv37]

Who did you want them to pick up months ago?

Don't ask me. Ask the asshats who get paid millions to run this team, and continue to get paid millions despite repeated failures.

[jimbohastle51]

why would he come here if he coulda gone to the rams and started

1) because the Bills offered 5 million and the Rams already have a couple mil invested in Shaun Hill. So if in fact the Rams were interested in Orton they would have had to pay up to a guy that had not been through camp and OTA's as Hill has (and Hill has not looked bad).

2) He has been around and I am sure he knows the chance are in his favor as far as learning the playbook and getting a chance to play.

[starrymessenger]

1) because the Bills offered 5 million and the Rams already have a couple mil invested in Shaun Hill. So if in fact the Rams were interested in Orton they would have had to pay up to a guy that had not been through camp and OTA's as Hill has (and Hill has not looked bad).

2) He has been around and I am sure he knows the chance are in his favor as far as learning the playbook and getting a chance to play.

He will be up to speed very quickly.
He's seen a lot of systems in all his years in the league and looks to be a savvy vet.

[HHURRICANE]

Can we not ***** about every single move? We needed a backup and we got, IMO, a very good one. Orton wasn't coming here any sooner than he did for multiple reasons.

Thad Lewis obviously took multiple steps back and that created the hole in the first place. I'd like to know what QB we should have picked up 4 months ago not knowing that Lewis would implode?

[JohnnyGold]

I woke up and heard that news yesterday, and was immediately relieved/optimistic for the season, a feeling I haven't had all summer... in fact, the last time I went into a season this excited was 2012. I thought Wannstedt and Mario Williams would turn around a defense that would have the Fitzpatrick led Bills back in the playoffs! Week 1 against the Jets killed that...

Back to this year: I explained it to my wife like this. Before we signed Orton, there were 4 scenarios in play. Here they are, ranked in order of how beneficial they would be to us as Bills fans, and what I thought/think were the likelihood of the scenarios taking place:

1) EJ plays well, the Bills make the playoffs (15%)
2) EJ plays poorly, Tuel takes over early in the season, the Bills make the playoffs (0%)
3) EJ plays poorly, is given the year to "learn on the job" the Bills miss the playoffs with 4-6 wins (42.5%)
4) EJ plays poorly/is injured/Tuel does or does not take over, regardless, the Bills win 0-2 games (42.5%)

Obviously these odds aren't from a Vegas book, but to me, the coin flip didn't seem to be between whether or not we were going to make the playoffs, but rather would we be giving the first overall pick in the draft to Cleveland.

But now, our floor has been raised.
1) EJ plays well, the Bills make the playoffs (15%)
2) EJ plays poorly, Orton takes over early, the Bills make the playoffs (40%)
3) EJ plays poorly, Orton takes over, the Bills don't make the playoffs, but finish 7-9, 6-10 (40%)
4) EJ plays poorly, is given the whole year to "learn the job" and the Bills finish league worst 2-14 (5%)

So to try and quantify the football viewing experience of a Bills fan... in my mind now, there's a 55% chance we get a wildcard, but only a 5% chance that this season is such a trainwreck that I'm going to be questioning why I even watch this garbage by Thanksgiving... whereas before Orton, playoffs were only 15%, but the real 50/50 bet was on whether we would be giving Cleveland the first overall pick.

It's the difference in losing 2000$ at the casino the day after you paid your mortgage... or bringing your mortgage check to the casino the day before it's due to try and double down.

[kishoph]

How do you try to sign a guy for a few months when he was under contract elsewhere still a little over a month ago?

Didn't read the Tim Graham article, but maybe the Bills were trying to work a trade with Dallas. Don't know, really don't care, he's here now and hopefully he'll help in some way.

[YardRat]

Don't ask me. Ask the asshats who get paid millions to run this team, and continue to get paid millions despite repeated failures.

If you can point out a front office, any front office in the NFL, that doesn't have a list of repeated failures on their resume as they are trying to build or maintain a team please point them out.

Thanks in advance.

'Don't ask me'? What the hell kind of response is that? Especially from somebody that hangs his hat on being smarter than the guys in charge? If you can't come up with a better option as to what the FO should have done, maybe you should just STFU.

[swiper]

Orton threatened retirement so he could get cut and find a team with a chance to play... Then does the smart thing and waits out the pre season for an injury to occur. After the Bradford injury as well as other teams with shaky qb play his services come into demand. He then commands a ridiculous amount of money from a qb hungry team (the bills) and gets paid. Well done sir.

You can be mad at the Bills for signing him but do not be mad at him for getting paid well for his services. He rolled the dice by demanding out of Dallas and it paid off for him. You are worth what they will pay you.

As far as him as a fit for Buffalo... I feel he is better than qb's like Cassel, Henne, and Locker but not as good as qb's like C. Palmer, P. Rivers, or Dalton. He fits the Alex Smith mold IMO. A guy that can move an offense and not make a ton of mistakes but he is not a guy who will win games from behind in the 4th quarter. Or blow you away by his play. He was definetly the best QB available in a poor QB market and was the recipient of a grossly high salary because of it. Given the situation that Buffalo put themselves in, they could do worse... It could be EJ, and Tuel going into next Sunday.

Good post.

[OpIv37]

If you can point out a front office, any front office in the NFL, that doesn't have a list of repeated failures on their resume as they are trying to build or maintain a team please point them out.

Thanks in advance.

'Don't ask me'? What the hell kind of response is that? Especially from somebody that hangs his hat on being smarter than the guys in charge? If you can't come up with a better option as to what the FO should have done, maybe you should just STFU.

What I'm saying is that I wasn't paying attention to who was available as a back up months ago. And unlike the guys who get paid millions to figure it out, I don't get to see these guys practice every day so it had no way of knowing just how bad the backup QB situation is. We have an epic cluster**** here and you're actually defending the people responsible and attacking me?

Gimme a ****ing break. Yes, all FO's make mistakes but there is no excuse for botching the most important position on the team this badly.

[YardRat]

What I'm saying is that I wasn't paying attention to who was available as a back up months ago. And unlike the guys who get paid millions to figure it out, I don't get to see these guys practice every day so it had no way of knowing just how bad the backup QB situation is. We have an epic cluster**** here and you're actually defending the people responsible and attacking me?

Gimme a ****ing break. Yes, all FO's make mistakes but there is no excuse for botching the most important position on the team this badly.

If you weren't paying attention than how the hell can you contend that they ****ed up by not signing somebody months ago? I provided you with a list of available free agent QB's, who is on that list that you would have had a boner for in April?

[mrbojanglezs]

Orton is one of the better backups, so it makes sense that he demanded fringe starter money, I have no problem with it we were paying Fitz 7 million per year.....

[Novacane]

Don't ask me. Ask the asshats who get paid millions to run this team, and continue to get paid millions despite repeated failures.



That's such a lame response. If your'e going to ***** about the situation tell us who you'd of signed. There was only garbage available and you know it.

[JoeMama]

We got Orton.

Stop *****ing

We don't have a time machine to travel back to July and convince Orton to sign here before he weighed all his options.

The guy had to bluff retirement to worm his way out of Dallas... of course he was going to be selective about where he signed. He wants an opportunity to start.

The Neckbeard is ours now. I'm content.

[imbondz]

Manuel / Orton Duo Takes Bills to Superbowl!


Can't wait!

He just looks like a Superbowl Winning QB!

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/webkit-fake-url://1D4F085F-7AD5-4484-9822-C724C55C437B/Kyle-Orton-signs-bills.jpg

[BertSquirtgum]

Here's a list, just to refresh anybody's memory...


Derek Anderson (http://www.nfl.com/player/derekanderson/2506546/profile), Carolina Panthers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR)
Jimmy Clausen (http://www.nfl.com/player/jimmyclausen/497108/profile), Carolina Panthers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/carolinapanthers/profile?team=CAR)
Kellen Clemens (http://www.nfl.com/player/kellenclemens/2506895/profile), St. Louis Rams (http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL)
Matt Flynn (http://www.nfl.com/player/mattflynn/367/profile), Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB)
Josh Freeman (http://www.nfl.com/player/joshfreeman/79557/profile), Minnesota Vikings (http://www.nfl.com/teams/minnesotavikings/profile?team=MIN)
David Garrard (http://www.nfl.com/player/davidgarrard/2505101/profile), New York Jets (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkjets/profile?team=NYJ)
Rex Grossman (http://www.nfl.com/player/rexgrossman/2505623/profile), Washington Redskins (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS)
Shaun Hill (http://www.nfl.com/player/shaunhill/2504833/profile), Detroit Lions (http://www.nfl.com/teams/detroitlions/profile?team=DET)
Tarvaris Jackson (http://www.nfl.com/player/tarvarisjackson/2495863/profile), Seattle Seahawks (http://www.nfl.com/teams/seattleseahawks/profile?team=SEA)
Jon Kitna (http://www.nfl.com/player/jonkitna/2501630/profile), Dallas Cowboys (http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/profile?team=DAL)
Josh McCown (http://www.nfl.com/player/joshmccown/2505076/profile), Chicago Bears (http://www.nfl.com/teams/chicagobears/profile?team=CHI)
Luke McCown (http://www.nfl.com/player/lukemccown/2506053/profile), New Orleans Saints (http://www.nfl.com/teams/neworleanssaints/profile?team=NO)
Colt McCoy (http://www.nfl.com/player/coltmccoy/497123/profile), San Francisco 49ers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sanfrancisco49ers/profile?team=SF)
Dan Orlovsky (http://www.nfl.com/player/danorlovsky/2506481/profile), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tampabaybuccaneers/profile?team=TB)
Curtis Painter (http://www.nfl.com/player/curtispainter/81300/profile), New York Giants (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG)
Jordan Palmer (http://www.nfl.com/player/jordanpalmer/2507237/profile), Chicago Bears (http://www.nfl.com/teams/chicagobears/profile?team=CHI)
Brady Quinn (http://www.nfl.com/player/bradyquinn/2495714/profile), St. Louis Rams (http://www.nfl.com/teams/st.louisrams/profile?team=STL)
Rusty Smith (http://www.nfl.com/player/rustysmith/1037844/profile), Tennessee Titans (http://www.nfl.com/teams/tennesseetitans/profile?team=TEN)
Michael Vick (http://www.nfl.com/player/michaelvick/2504531/profile), Philadelphia Eagles (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI)
Seneca Wallace (http://www.nfl.com/player/senecawallace/2505562/profile), Green Bay Packers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/greenbaypackers/profile?team=GB)
Charlie Whitehurst (http://www.nfl.com/player/charliewhitehurst/2495974/profile), San Diego Chargers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD)

Josh McCown or Charlie Whitehurst

[Skooby]

Orton was the best available QB for the Bills to bring in without trading away more draft picks, which would of given several people here a mild stroke. I'd also be willing to be that Orton watched the preseason games & was targeting teams that had a lot of talent but needed a QB for years to come, not just one season. After watching our preaseason games, I'd say we're the best team without a NFL caliber starting QB.

[JoeMama]

Kyle Orton did a savvy job gaming the NFL system this summer.

He bluffed his way out of Dallas via retirement talk.

He patiently waited for the right opportunity to arise as the preseason unfolded because -- at some point -- he wants to be a starter again. Not forever entrenched behind Tony Romo.

And as it happened, Buffalo had the ultimate QB meltdown during the preseason, which not only made the Bills Orton's best option, but also drove up his pricetag. Win for Orton. Win for us. Because we desperately need his help.

I guess St. Louis could also have been in the running for his services but they seem content with Shaun Hill.

So for those playing the 20/20 hindsight game boohooing about how we should have signed him sooner, keep in mind that Orton wasn't looking to sign immediately after his release from Dallas. He didn't want to wind up behind another deeply entrenched starter.

[GingerP]

I guess St. Louis could also have been in the running for his services but they seem content with Shaun Hill.

The Rams also have the least amount of cap room in the NFL ($1.5M), and will have to restructure contracts by next Wednesday just to sign a PS and account for the 52nd and 53rd player on the roster (the offseason Top-51 rules stop then and the in-season rules kick in). They just don't have more room to spend much on a QB because they are already (Bradford has a big number), they are too tight to the cap.

[OLDSRIP]

Can we not ***** about every single move? We needed a backup and we got, IMO, a very good one. Orton wasn't coming here any sooner than he did for multiple reasons.

Thad Lewis obviously took multiple steps back and that created the hole in the first place. I'd like to know what QB we should have picked up 4 months ago not knowing that Lewis would implode?


I agree. They were counting on Lewis this year.

I wonder what happened over the off season. It seems like he forgot how to play football.

[OLDSRIP]

That's such a lame response. If your'e going to ***** about the situation tell us who you'd of signed. There was only garbage available and you know it.

What does it matter who he would of signed.

we fans don't have the ability to sign anyone. So our opinions don't count.

[BillsOverDolphins]

Lewis and EJ must've hung out over the offseason b/c they both regressed from an already ****ty state. 1/2 of the Soul Patrol gone, 1 to go.

[kishoph]

Lewis and EJ must've hung out over the offseason b/c they both regressed from an already ****ty state. 1/2 of the Soul Patrol gone, 1 to go.


That's a really cute little saying under you're screen name you piece of ****. Maybe you should get on your knees and give thanks that you or someone in your Family hasn't had to suffer with a disease like that. BTW nice racial overtones in the post. You're a real piece of work.

[BillsOverDolphins]

Maybe you should get on your knees and give thanks that you or someone in your Family hasn't had to suffer with a disease like that.

Well, being that there's no IV drug users or homosexuals in my family, the likelihood of contracting it is astronomically low. You seem affected by it though...have/had any friends from the Castro District?

[feldspar]

What I'm saying is that I wasn't paying attention to who was available as a back up months ago. And unlike the guys who get paid millions to figure it out, I don't get to see these guys practice every day so it had no way of knowing just how bad the backup QB situation is. We have an epic cluster**** here and you're actually defending the people responsible and attacking me?



I thought you patrolled this board to ensure that people don't make baseless assumptions without evidence. Well, it seems that is exactly what you are hypocritically doing here if you have no idea what quarterbacks were available on the market. The Bills should have gotten "somebody," huh? Doesn't even matter if there wasn't really anybody all that good, eh? Just more evidence of the incompetent front office, you say?

All this based on zero knowledge you have apart from the fact that the other QBs shat the bed in training camp and preseason, which is basically hindsight. Congratulations. They've been TRYING to get Orton, but that doesn't matter? They got him, too. But you'd rather *****, and that does not surprise me whatsoever. You're trying to apply everything that happens to your preconceived notion, it seems to me...doesn't even matter if you have an inkling of the particulars

[OpIv37]

That's such a lame response. If your'e going to ***** about the situation tell us who you'd of signed. There was only garbage available and you know it.

All we had was garbage.

All of you who are defending the FO deserve the losing. Other teams find ways to improve, but when it comes to the Bills, last year's back up is good enough to start or there is no one available or the only guys available are too expensive. There'd is always some BS.

So we stay the same or regress as the div and the league improve around us.

Then next year, the same FO will make the same stupid decisions and the same posters will defend them and we'll get the same ****ty results on the field.

[OpIv37]

I thought you patrolled this board to ensure that people don't make baseless assumptions without evidence. Well, it seems that is exactly what you are hypocritically doing here if you have no idea what quarterbacks were available on the market. The Bills should have gotten "somebody," huh? Doesn't even matter if there wasn't really anybody all that good, eh? Just more evidence of the incompetent front office, you say?

All this based on zero knowledge you have apart from the fact that the other QBs shat the bed in training camp and preseason, which is basically hindsight. Congratulations. They've been TRYING to get Orton, but that doesn't matter? They got him, too. But you'd rather *****, and that does not surprise me whatsoever. You're trying to apply everything that happens to your preconceived notion, it seems to me...doesn't even matter if you have an inkling of the particulars

Yeah, how dare I make the assumption that our FO is capable of evaluating talent and realizing that we had crap for backup QB. So baseless to assume competence....

[kishoph]

Well, being that there's no IV drug users or homosexuals in my family, the likelihood of contracting it is astronomically low. You seem affected by it though...have/had any friends from the Castro District?

Because I'm not an insensitive ****in ******* I seem infected by it ? I don't know where the Castro District is, but I do know that you wouldn't be man enough to go there and spew your bull****, or anywhere else, besides behind the safety of your computer screen.

[Skooby]

I hope we win, the losses have been weighing on many of us for years. It's been so long since we had a playoff season, much less a chance at a championship. Pray for a good owner.

[notacon]

I sincerely hope that Manuel proves all the blow hards terribly wrong. It will be great to serve you jerks up some fresh crow to choke on.

[Skooby]

I sincerely hope that Manuel proves all the blow hards terribly wrong. It will be great to serve you jerks up some fresh crow to choke on.

I'd love to choke, it's just more likely that our coaches didn't know how bad our QB's have been until it's too late. Sound familiar, like 10 years running?

[BillsOverDolphins]

Because I'm not an insensitive ****in ******* I seem infected by it ? I don't know where the Castro District is, but I do know that you wouldn't be man enough to go there and spew your bull****, or anywhere else, besides behind the safety of your computer screen.

lol, dude you crack me up...I said affected, not infected. I'll leave that alone though.

Also, what's insensitive about saying "X player is worse than AIDS?" I mean, do you go out of your way to be offended by things that supposedly don't apply to you or your family? AIDS doesn't affect anybody here, but EJ Manuel does. His play is reminiscent of AIDS...progressively worsening and untreatable

[kishoph]

lol, dude you crack me up...I said affected, not infected. I'll leave that alone though.

Also, what's insensitive about saying "X player is worse than AIDS?" I mean, do you go out of your way to be offended by things that supposedly don't apply to you or your family? AIDS doesn't affect anybody here, but EJ Manuel does. His play is reminiscent of AIDS...progressively worsening and untreatable

Backpedal any way you want, what you have written is wrong. Would it be right if you wrote X player is worse than cancer, or X player is worse than Lou Gehrig's Disease ? If you think a player in a game is worse than a fatal disease, then you have a serious problem. If you think that it's funny, maybe you ought to rethink it. I'm not trying to be an *******, but just think how you would feel if you read that and had someone close to you that had died from that disease.

I do get offended when people show such insensitivity to something that is so serious, if it has or hasn't affected personally.

[WagonCircler]

Backpedal any way you want, what you have written is wrong. Would it be right if you wrote X player is worse than cancer, or X player is worse than Lou Gehrig's Disease ? If you think a player in a game is worse than a fatal disease, then you have a serious problem. If you think that it's funny, maybe you ought to rethink it. I'm not trying to be an *******, but just think how you would feel if you read that and had someone close to you that had died from that disease.

Maybe your sensitive little pansy ass should go whine somewhere else. You're *****ing up the boards. Maybe start a Michael Sam fan club.

Here's a news flash, Shirley, he wasn't talking about you, nor anyone you know, and the words he used are simply pixels on a screen. The have no sharp edges. They don't have the capacity to explode. If you're wounded by them, blame your own delicate sensibilities or the mean boys who stole your lunch money every week. If hyperbole injures you, it's because you let it.

All you do is whine about what other people post, like a little *****. Get a life.

[BillsOverDolphins]

Backpedal any way you want, what you have written is wrong. Would it be right if you wrote X player is worse than cancer, or X player is worse than Lou Gehrig's Disease ? If you think a player in a game is worse than a fatal disease, then you have a serious problem. If you think that it's funny, maybe you ought to rethink it. I'm not trying to be an *******, but just think how you would feel if you read that and had someone close to you that had died from that disease.

I do get offended when people show such insensitivity to something that is so serious, if it has or hasn't affected personally.

lolwut? You clearly said infected--you should at least have the decency to cop to your mistake or admit to how funny it was, given the context of our conversation. Could you do me a solid (nh) and not be such a puss? I dind't say he was worse than ALS, cancer, or any other disease that predominantly normal people get.

[Don't Panic]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11445242/alex-smith-kansas-city-chiefs-agree-four-year-contract-extension

Orton at 5 mil > Smith at 17 mil... just sayin

[notacon]

I'd love to choke, it's just more likely that our coaches didn't know how bad our QB's have been until it's too late. Sound familiar, like 10 years running?

Hmmmmmmmmm. Should I follow anonymous posters that, most likely, have not ever gotten closer to Manuel than the stands....or give the situation a little more time to develop this year, like not just exhibition games.

Gee...that's tough...internet blowhards, or professional NFL coaches and players. Oh, dear, I just don't know who to believe!

[BillsOverDolphins]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Should I follow anonymous posters that, most likely, have not ever gotten closer to Manuel than the stands....or give the situation a little more time to develop this year, like not just exhibition games.

Gee...that's tough...internet blowhards, or professional NFL coaches and players. Oh, dear, I just don't know who to believe!

Can somebody please photoshop a Bills logo onto that structure?

17030

[Skooby]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Should I follow anonymous posters that, most likely, have not ever gotten closer to Manuel than the stands....or give the situation a little more time to develop this year, like not just exhibition games.

Gee...that's tough...internet blowhards, or professional NFL coaches and players. Oh, dear, I just don't know who to believe!

Personally I don't care what you believe, I've been tearing into our QB choices for years now. All of sudden it just became important to the team, you can verify that easy enough. I can only say that I have an athletic past & EJ is not balanced when he throws. The other guys we had were chopped liver compared to EJ, shouldn't of never even saw the field.

Orton is the best QB today the Bills have. I want to win now & draft a project QB next year, Orton can hold us over.

[feldspar]

Yeah, how dare I make the assumption that our FO is capable of evaluating talent and realizing that we had crap for backup QB. So baseless to assume competence....

Way to rationalize your unwavering negativity and project everything that happens onto it, even if it's blindly.

Obviously, the front office had their misgivings about the QB position and were trying to do something about it, and they eventually DID do something about it when they were able.

So the question remains...who SHOULD they have have gotten as backup QB, and WHEN should they have gotten him? The answer remains...you have no freakin' idea. So you have really no foundation nor frame of reference whatsoever and blindly lash out at the front office about everything. Not everything that goes wrong is due to incompetence in what is an inexact science. You just take the safe route, say that they are incompetent, and then pretend that you know what you are talking about...even though you didn't even really say anything based on what you know.

I'm not saying that this is a great front office, but you are partaking in lazy thinking. We are talking about Kyle Orton here. The Bills actually did a good job of finally landing him, ask me. I don't care what happened in 2006 or whenever. Orton is a quality backup...they went after him and got him. They get props from me for that, regardless of when it happened.

[BillsOverDolphins]

^I could catch this one with a bare hook:rofl:

[feldspar]

^I could catch this one with a bare hook:rofl:

You couldn't get laid in a whore-house.

[kishoph]

lolwut? You clearly said infected--you should at least have the decency to cop to your mistake or admit to how funny it was, given the context of our conversation. Could you do me a solid (nh) and not be such a puss? I dind't say he was worse than ALS, cancer, or any other disease that predominantly normal people get.

Keep trying to twist your ignorance to make it look like I did something wrong. If you can't see how messed up what you have there is, than there's really no hope for you.

[notacon]

Personally I don't care what you believe, I've been tearing into our QB choices for years now. All of sudden it just became important to the team, you can verify that easy enough. I can only say that I have an athletic past & EJ is not balanced when he throws. The other guys we had were chopped liver compared to EJ, shouldn't of never even saw the field.

Orton is the best QB today the Bills have. I want to win now & draft a project QB next year, Orton can hold us over.

That gives you the "expert" mantle?

Orton sucks. If the Bills start him anytime this year, if EJ is not hurt, then you can kiss your "win now" dream.

Either way, this team is not going t get close to the playoffs. Thinking Orton is the answer is foolish.

[Skooby]

That gives you the "expert" mantle?

If the Bills start him anytime this year, if EJ is not hurt, then you can kiss your "win now" dream.



I'm glad you agree with me.

[BillsOverDolphins]

Keep trying to twist your ignorance to make it look like I did something wrong. If you can't see how messed up what you have there is, than there's really no hope for you.

Look brah this is obviously an emotional subject for you...i'm sorry you lost so many friends in the 80's.

[Mr. Pink]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Should I follow anonymous posters that, most likely, have not ever gotten closer to Manuel than the stands....or give the situation a little more time to develop this year, like not just exhibition games.

Gee...that's tough...internet blowhards, or professional NFL coaches and players. Oh, dear, I just don't know who to believe!

LOL cuz the people who are getting paid to do the job have done such a fine job in the recent past for you to blindly follow them.

[OpIv37]

Way to rationalize your unwavering negativity and project everything that happens onto it, even if it's blindly.

Obviously, the front office had their misgivings about the QB position and were trying to do something about it, and they eventually DID do something about it when they were able.

So the question remains...who SHOULD they have have gotten as backup QB, and WHEN should they have gotten him? The answer remains...you have no freakin' idea. So you have really no foundation nor frame of reference whatsoever and blindly lash out at the front office about everything. Not everything that goes wrong is due to incompetence in what is an inexact science. You just take the safe route, say that they are incompetent, and then pretend that you know what you are talking about...even though you didn't even really say anything based on what you know.

I'm not saying that this is a great front office, but you are partaking in lazy thinking. We are talking about Kyle Orton here. The Bills actually did a good job of finally landing him, ask me. I don't care what happened in 2006 or whenever. Orton is a quality backup...they went after him and got him. They get props from me for that, regardless of when it happened.

Who should they have gotten and when they should have gotten him? Fair question.

But why are you asking me instead of the people who get paid millions to figure it out?

And as far as getting Orton: when it happens is crucial because he has 9 days to learn the playbook.

If EJ gets hurt early, the FO's lack of ability to find a viable back-up sooner cost us a victory. And he's injury-prone and playing behind an OL that has struggled, so there is a fair chance that it will happen.

[feldspar]

Who should they have gotten and when they should have gotten him? Fair question.

But why are you asking me instead of the people who get paid millions to figure it out?

I'm asking you because you suggested in a previous post in this thread that the Bills not having a viable backup in camp was a reflection of "organizational dysfunction at an absurd level."

Did you not basically say this? What do you have to back up this statement, as you are always prone to ask this question when people show optimism for a rookie and so forth? "We have no reason to believe this" is pretty much the gist of a lot of what you say, no?

Perhaps the "people that are paid millions" should have found a franchise quarterback in the 2013 draft, too...magically. Was there one? What you are doing here is projecting the same kind of magical thinking that you constantly admonish others for applying. Only you project it negatively as a knee-jerk reaction without any facts...that's something you frown upon, isn't it? But YOU are doing it here.

That's why I'm asking you.


And as far as getting Orton: when it happens is crucial because he has 9 days to learn the playbook.

If EJ gets hurt early, the FO's lack of ability to find a viable back-up sooner cost us a victory. And he's injury-prone and playing behind an OL that has struggled, so there is a fair chance that it will happen.

It's less than ideal bringing in Orton so late, but we have one of the better backups in the league right now. And as I said in another thread, Orton came into Kansas City in 2011, and three-and-a-half weeks later he started. The Chiefs beat the Packers (who were on a 19-game winning streak at the time) in his first start. He started the last three games of the season where the Chiefs went 2-1, the only loss coming in overtime.

The guy has been around, and can pick up the system in short order IMO. He's done it before. A good defense and a good running game...if we have a guy that can manage the game and establish a tempo, be fairly accurate in the short-to-intermediate passes, be able to better read defenses and be smart, we can win some games. This team doesn't need a superstar at QB to win some games.

Me? I think that the Bills haven't done enough to seek out a quality starting quarterback, either. Quality QB play is the only thing this team is lacking to contend IMO...it happens to be the most important thing to most any team. I wanted to draft any number of guys that are now doing pretty well. Gotta keep trying until you get your man at any rate. But things being as they now stand, bringing in Orton was a hell of a smart move.

And EJ Manuel is the starter regardless...at least for now. See what happens. There will be a lot more to talk about next week at this time. The odds are against EJ getting hurt in the first couple of games.

[JoeMama]

I sincerely hope that Manuel proves all the blow hards terribly wrong. It will be great to serve you jerks up some fresh crow to choke on.

Everyone wants EJ to play well -- because if he does -- the Bills are more likely to win games. Which means we all win.

Some fans are just more skeptical than others about the probability of that happening.

Any why not?

We can only work with the body of evidence that we have. EJ's lack of progress this summer is a legitimate reason for concern.

If EJ lights it up, fantastic. That's what we've been waiting for.

If EJ flops, don't take it too personally if all the people you just called "jerks" and "blowhards" turn the tables and respond... unpleasantly... toward you.

Fortunately, EJ is in a good position. He has playmakers at RB/WR and an opportunistic defense backing him up.

I want EJ to do well because I want us to end our miserable 14 year playoff drought, not because I'm primarily focused on "sticking it to the jerks and the blowhards."

But maybe I have my priorities out of whack.

[notacon]

LOL cuz the people who are getting paid to do the job have done such a fine job in the recent past for you to blindly follow them.

Huh?

Uhhhhh....no. All I am pointing out is that the anonymous "experts" on a fan bulletin board are the least qualified people to listen too. In my experience, the biggest blowhards who put forth unequivocal pronouncements about the future performance of young QB's are usually the ones who know the least, and are wrong most of the time.

I have been screaming about the inept QB selection and development skills of the Bills for several decades. Sorry, but I, nor anyone else has any idea of what is going to happen this year.

What I DO know is that Orton sucks and if the Bills have to rely on his sorry ass the Bills will be losing for many more hers to come.

[notacon]

Everyone wants EJ to play well -- because if he does -- the Bills are more likely to win games. Which means we all win.

Some fans are just more skeptical than others about the probability of that happening.

Any why not?

We can only work with the body of evidence that we have. EJ's lack of progress this summer is a legitimate reason for concern.

If EJ lights it up, fantastic. That's what we've been waiting for.

If EJ flops, don't take it too personally if all the people you just called "jerks" and "blowhards" turn the tables and respond... unpleasantly... toward you.

Fortunately, EJ is in a good position. He has playmakers at RB/WR and an opportunistic defense backing him up.

I want EJ to do well because I want us to end our miserable 14 year playoff drought, not because I'm primarily focused on "sticking it to the jerks and the blowhards."

But maybe I have my priorities out of whack.

I agree with everything you say...except..."Everyone wants EJ to play well". There are always a few blowhards who proclaim to be able to see the future and exactly what is going to happen.

I love that scene in Moneyball when Bean is about to fire the head scout. "The truth is that no one knows" (if a young player is going to make it)

This has always been true, and it always will be true. Busts abound...surprises are many. There will always be second and third round stars. We are remind of that every time a Russell Wilson comes around.

I just get disappointed when the time allowed to determine a bust gets shorter and shorter. What, are we going to judge and tar and feather a guy after a few games next??

It's counterproductive and silly.

I agree that "I want EJ to do well because I want us to end our miserable 14 year playoff drought, not because I'm primarily focused on "sticking it to the jerks and the blowhards."...the "sticking it to the jerks and the blowhards" is just the cherry on top.

[notacon]

Oh...and for the record. I hated the Manuel pick last year. They could have traded down and gotten him probably in the second round, or, better yet, drafted Smith (they probably could have traded down and gotten Smith too). The Bills have a long history of screwing up drafting QB's that has gone on for 50 years. And..no...the Jim Kelly pick was not all that wonderful when you consider that he was not even their fist pick that year.

I also think that this year's overpaying for Sammy Watkins was stupid beyond measure.

Does not mean that I don't think they can both do well. The truth is that I, nor anyone else, has any idea either way. Those that proclaim that they KNOW, are blowhards.

[Homegrown]

Skooby = Nostradamus ....

[Skooby]

We barely made it out of the first quarter of the season, LOL.
Skooby = Nostradamus ....