Serious topic: Owners of multiple teams and their relation to Pegula.

[blackonyx89]

List of owners with multiple sports franchises

Paul Allen
Tom Benson
James Dolan
Mike Ilitch
Stan Kroenke
Ted Leonis
Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment
Jerry Reinsdorf


Pegula is one of only a few owners who has two or more sports franchises and I noticed glaring fact about the owners above, their teams have won at least one or
more championships. I'm very excited that T-Peg has purchased the Bills, but the goal is clear, he must win a title in order to validate his purchase and I hope and
pray that the Bills win a Super Bowl or Stanley Cup. As far as the Bills, he needs to get to the Bills to a Super Bowl quicker than Ralph (R.I.P.) who took 31 years to get
to their first and win it all. Only time will tell if he succeeds and we all want that for him.

[Night Train]

Don't worry. We'll be here to critisize his every move and recognize any success as blind luck. :up:

[jimmifli]

MLSE hasn't won ****.

[coastal]

MLSE hasn't won ****.
Phaneuf as a captain is a ****ing joke.

its kind of like Mario as a captain.

[mightysimi]

Phaneuf as a captain is a ****ing joke.

its kind of like Mario as a captain.

Lemieux?!??! Surely you are joking.

[jimmifli]

Lemieux?!??! Surely you are joking.
He means Manamana is like Mario Williams.

An expensive non leader.

[blackonyx89]

MLSE hasn't won ****.

MLSE may not have won anything, but the Leafs have won 13 Stanley Cups in their history and you can't change that.

[Turf]

I'll be interested in seeing their reaction if Kim show up at their meetings representing the Bills.

[Mercy]

I'll be interested in seeing their reaction if Kim show up at their meetings representing the Bills.Well, you've got a crush.

Kim isn't taking over the Bills.

[Topas]

Well, you've got a crush.
Kim isn't taking over the Bills.
Well, there are reports that say differently. Although up to now all we have are sources.

[jimmifli]

MLSE may not have won anything, but the Leafs have won 13 Stanley Cups in their history and you can't change that.
But if the argument is that owners that own multiple teams are more likely to win championships, MLSE isn't a great example.

They don't spend much money and their teams don't win.

[better days]

MLSE may not have won anything, but the Leafs have won 13 Stanley Cups in their history and you can't change that.

What year was the last Cup Toronto won?

Pretty sure that was under previous ownership.

[better days]

Glaring fact, those other owners have owned their teams much longer than Pegula, how about we give Pegula a little time before the *****ing begins?

[blackonyx89]

Glaring fact, those other owners have owned their teams much longer than Pegula, how about we give Pegula a little time before the *****ing begins?

Fair point, give him time. But you know how fans are, they're an impatient lot.

[black N yellow]

Glaring fact, those other owners have owned their teams much longer than Pegula, how about we give Pegula a little time before the *****ing begins?


The way I see it, it took time for him to figure out who needed to go for the Sabres, and it's gonna take time to figure out the same for the Bills. I'm just grateful that he's saved the team at this point.

[BOBM253]

Pegula has done squat with this team ever since he took over. Time to find a new owner who cares....................

[WagonCircler]

Glaring fact, those other owners have owned their teams much longer than Pegula, how about we give Pegula a little time before the *****ing begins?

I don't think *****ing was the point. I think he was saying that these owners are driven, organized and have the financial means to put together a winner, and that Pegula has the same characteristics, so hopefully he can win a championship, too.

[WagonCircler]

Pegula has done squat with this team ever since he took over. Time to find a new owner who cares....................

Are you too thick to understand that Pegula has owned the Sabres for less than 200 games?

And he has done more to build a future winner in that short period than any owner in the NHL.

[BOBM253]

Are you too thick to understand that Pegula has owned the Sabres for less than 200 games?

And he has done more to build a future winner in that short period than any owner in the NHL.

Sorry, I was just really joking about him and the Bills. I love the man, the Bills and Sabres

Just making fun of all the knee jerk reactions......

[blackonyx89]

I don't think *****ing was the point. I think he was saying that these owners are driven, organized and have the financial means to put together a winner, and that Pegula has the same characteristics, so hopefully he can win a championship, too.

That's the point! The majority of the listed owners have won championships and they were willing to do whatever it took to do so. Pegula must emulate that ideology.

[OpIv37]

Don't worry. We'll be here to critisize his every move and recognize any success as blind luck. :up:

When you've got maybe 14 good seasons peppered into 54 years, and two 10+ year streaks of pitiful football, any success is blind luck.

[swiper]

Why is this thread called a "serious topic?"

:scratch:

[mightysimi]

He means Manamana is like Mario Williams.

An expensive non leader.

Ahh. Jumping from hockey to football is confusing.

[blackonyx89]

Why is this thread called a "serious topic?"

:scratch:

Just putting an emphasis of how serious the topic is and winning a championship/championships is serious business.

[swiper]

It's a game played by grown men for money.

[WagonCircler]

It's a game played by grown men for money.

The local team, in the second smallest market in a 32 team league, just sold for $1.5 BIL. TV Networks pay billions annually to air games.

Implying that it's not a big deal is absurd.

[swiper]

The local team, in the second smallest market in a 32 team league, just sold for $1.5 BIL. TV Networks pay billions annually to air games.

Implying that it's not a big deal is absurd.

Ahem. Better Days Jr. I didn't say that. I asked why is it a "serious topic?" It's no more serious than a lot of other stuff talked about here. Ray Rice, etc....

What's absurd is someone saying this:


Are you too thick to understand that Pegula has owned the Sabres for less than 200 games?

And he has done more to build a future winner in that short period than any owner in the NHL.

Especially after the guy publicly promised a play-off team within three years and delivered the worst season in franchise history instead. There is no defending that. You want him. Great. I understand how important it was to get a stable owner willing to keep the team in Buffalo. I get the Bon Jovi/Canada hate. I'm there too. I get all that. But all this Terry Pegula love is soundly unearned in my eyes. Check me in three years.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Ahh. Jumping from hockey to football is confusing.

It helps if you remember Coastal despises Mario Williams and showhorns him into unrelated topics.

[WagonCircler]

Ahem. Better Days Jr. I didn't say that. I asked why is it a "serious topic?" It's no more serious than a lot of other stuff talked about here. Ray Rice, etc....

What's absurd is someone saying this:



Especially after the guy publicly promised a play-off team within three years and delivered the worst season in franchise history instead. There is no defending that. You want him. Great. I understand how important it was to get a stable owner willing to keep the team in Buffalo. I get the Bon Jovi/Canada hate. I'm there too. I get all that. But all this Terry Pegula love is soundly unearned in my eyes. Check me in three years.

Not nearly as absurd as expecting someone, ANYONE, to reverse Darcy's damage in less time than it took to create.

I give Pegula credit for having the balls to blow the thing up and rebuild from the ground up.

That's what he does. He builds things. For decades we've listened to BS artists around here promise us a twin span Peace Bridge, a Major League Baseball team, a real economy, jobs....

Pegula comes on the scene, a very short time ago, and the area south of the former HSBC tower actually looks like a real city in the 21st Century. There are actual CRANES building actual BUILDINGS rather than apparitions of Bass Pro.

And I can all but guarantee you there will be more cranes building a new Bills stadium a few blocks away.

I get it. You're a Communist FREAK who hides under his bed for fear of Frackers coming to your house and eating you. Get control of yourself, Mik. Take your meds. Have a shot off Bulleit Bourbon. Watch some porn. Whatever blows your skirt up. But for God's sake, calm the **** down.

The man has a plan, and he's working it like a Stradivarius.

(Drpos mic. Walks off) Good night, now.

[trapezeus]

Ahem. Better Days Jr. I didn't say that. I asked why is it a "serious topic?" It's no more serious than a lot of other stuff talked about here. Ray Rice, etc....

What's absurd is someone saying this:



Especially after the guy publicly promised a play-off team within three years and delivered the worst season in franchise history instead. There is no defending that. You want him. Great. I understand how important it was to get a stable owner willing to keep the team in Buffalo. I get the Bon Jovi/Canada hate. I'm there too. I get all that. But all this Terry Pegula love is soundly unearned in my eyes. Check me in three years.

Pegula tried, something other buffalo teams have not done. the sabres were all about managing dollars and cents and trying to squeak into the 8 spot and hope they could get out of the first round.

pegula gave the people he inherited a chance. he openned the checkbook and let them build their idea of a winner. it failed and when they failed, it was a cleaning of the house. the strategy set forth is to suck to get supreme talent and aim for 1st. it's not particlarlly enjoyable, but it's an attempt to finish 1st. no sabre team has set out to do that and to do it in a manner that is sustainable.

russ and ralph have shown us that as long as they got 4 home games early that they could sell out and ditch one game to toronoto to meet their numbers, they were happy. 14 years of not getting in seems like a team willingly trying to miss to keep their books in order. they spent some money on big names a couple times, but never to build a winner. being a winner was a nice surprise.

pegula has done nothing for the bills but buy the team. but their focus is to win. and their business sense is that winning gets fans from outside the region. no matter where you go there are packers jerseys. rarely bills stuff. when i am in bills stuff, other bills fans are excited and say something. same is true vice versa. There is a lot of money to be made by winning. but like the sabres have shown, not all big strategies are successful.

But pegula will try and even if i disagree with some of their future ideas of success, we know his heart is to win. we'll see it in personnel and hires. then we just have to see how the games play out.

i think it's unfair to give him grief for going for the win with a middling sabres team that was seemingly held back by lack of talent. they just happened to get into FA in a bad year and spent it unwisely. first time mistakes.

[better days]

When you've got maybe 14 good seasons peppered into 54 years, and two 10+ year streaks of pitiful football, any success is blind luck.


You can let it go now Op. Ralph is dead.

Pegula gets a CLEAN SLATE.

[Fletch]

but the goal is clear, he must win a title in order to validate his purchase and I hope and
pray that the Bills win a Super Bowl or Stanley Cup.

I'd love to see the Bills win a Stanley. Fielding 11 players without skates that can tackle and block five skaters might just work. \

I'd be concerned about Manuel though, if he can't hit big WRs consistently, I definitely don't see him being able to pitch it through much tighter spaces against goalkeepers.

Having said that, all we can hope for is a truly competitive team that has a chance and talent to at least be in a position to win a Super Bowl. No owner can be scrutinized for not actually winning one. It's tough to do.

Having said that, it's not going to happen unless he gets rid of the current roaches at OBD, fumigates the place, and puts in some competent leadership in their place.

[better days]

I'd love to see the Bills win a Stanley. Fielding 11 players without skates that can tackle and block five skaters might just work. \

I'd be concerned about Manuel though, if he can't hit big WRs consistently, I definitely don't see him being able to pitch it through much tighter spaces against goalkeepers.

Having said that, all we can hope for is a truly competitive team that has a chance and talent to at least be in a position to win a Super Bowl. No owner can be scrutinized for not actually winning one. It's tough to do.

Having said that, it's not going to happen unless he gets rid of the current roaches at OBD, fumigates the place, and puts in some competent leadership in their place.



Bringing in Brandon Spikes, Mike Williams, etc as well as a good draft is clear evidence Whaley is competent

[Fletch]

Especially after the guy publicly promised a play-off team within three years and delivered the worst season in franchise history instead. There is no defending that. You want him. Great. I understand how important it was to get a stable owner willing to keep the team in Buffalo. I get the Bon Jovi/Canada hate. I'm there too. I get all that. But all this Terry Pegula love is soundly unearned in my eyes. Check me in three years.

Exactly. He was the best choice for owner to keep the team here, but if all we're going to see is Ralph Lite then it's not going to cut it.

These are two entirely different issues. People seem to equate increased odds of keeping the team in Buffalo now with automatic improvement in on field performance.

If Pegula doesn't ****-can the entire personnel side of the front office, Overdorf, Brandon, Littman, and Mary Owen too, and maybe some others too, it's all irrelevant.

I mean who has really enjoyed the last 10 seasons here? Not me. It's sucked, royally. The last thing we need is more suckitude indefinitely.

These are concepts that some here won't understand though for as simple as they are. If things don't change the biggest supporters of Pegula on the performance side of thing will be bawling just like they are now about the garbage we've seen for years.

Again, good that Pegula won the team, but he's gotta realize, especially as a fan, that this organization hasn't even come close to cutting it and that there's absolutely no reason to keep them around. If he treats this like the jobs program that it's been for well liked people behind the scenes, I don't see much basis for hope that the product on the field improves.

[better days]

Exactly. He was the best choice for owner to keep the team here, but if all we're going to see is Ralph Lite then it's not going to cut it.

These are two entirely different issues. People seem to equate increased odds of keeping the team in Buffalo now with automatic improvement in on field performance.

If Pegula doesn't ****-can the entire personnel side of the front office, Overdorf, Brandon, Littman, and Mary Owen too, and maybe some others too, it's all irrelevant.

I mean who has really enjoyed the last 10 seasons here? Not me. It's sucked, royally. The last thing we need is more suckitude indefinitely.

These are concepts that some here won't understand though for as simple as they are. If things don't change the biggest supporters of Pegula on the performance side of thing will be bawling just like they are now about the garbage we've seen for years.

Again, good that Pegula won the team, but he's gotta realize, especially as a fan, that this organization hasn't even come close to cutting it and that there's absolutely no reason to keep them around. If he treats this like the jobs program that it's been for well liked people behind the scenes, I don't see much basis for hope that the product on the field improves.

There are no guarantees in life, but both the Sabres & the Bills now have an owner that WANTS to win....above all else.

Nobody can ask for more than that.

[colin]

Not nearly as absurd as expecting someone, ANYONE, to reverse Darcy's damage in less time than it took to create.

I give Pegula credit for having the balls to blow the thing up and rebuild from the ground up.

That's what he does. He builds things. For decades we've listened to BS artists around here promise us a twin span Peace Bridge, a Major League Baseball team, a real economy, jobs....

Pegula comes on the scene, a very short time ago, and the area south of the former HSBC tower actually looks like a real city in the 21st Century. There are actual CRANES building actual BUILDINGS rather than apparitions of Bass Pro.

And I can all but guarantee you there will be more cranes building a new Bills stadium a few blocks away.

I get it. You're a Communist FREAK who hides under his bed for fear of Frackers coming to your house and eating you. Get control of yourself, Mik. Take your meds. Have a shot off Bulleit Bourbon. Watch some porn. Whatever blows your skirt up. But for God's sake, calm the **** down.

The man has a plan, and he's working it like a Stradivarius.

(Drpos mic. Walks off) Good night, now.

You sir are my personal poster filter. You act as an early warning system for my ignore list, and for that, I thank you.

[swiper]

Pegula tried...

i think it's unfair to give him grief for going for the win with a middling sabres team that was seemingly held back by lack of talent. they just happened to get into FA in a bad year and spent it unwisely. first time mistakes.

It was a weak attempt. And showed he got schooled in the NHL and the fact you can't just throw money at a problem like the Sabres and fix it like he promised. Let's hope he learned from his schooling.

[swiper]

I get it. You're a Communist FREAK who hides under his bed for fear of Frackers coming to your house and eating you. Get control of yourself, Mik. Take your meds. Have a shot off Bulleit Bourbon. Watch some porn. Whatever blows your skirt up. But for God's sake, calm the **** down.


This is funny. As you are the one that is all worked up. With all your postings lately. And the duplicate posts about putting a stadium up in the slums. As if posting it twice might get his attention or something. ROFL. And as far as me and the fracking. I made a single remark about it by posting a video. I did not really comment on it. You want my opinion? I'll give it to you. But we both know that that doesn't matter. (Although maybe if I post it twice, I might get his attention). ROFL.

Maybe the best advice is for you to calm down and stop your pills, liquor, and porn. IDK. Either way, I do hope you're right about Pegula's violin-playing plan. If it brings competitive football to Buffalo beyond any given September, then we all can focus on rooting for something we only got to see for a brief few years.

[Dr. Who]

Let's see: Fletch and Swiper agreeing with one another. Yeah, I'm going to go the other way, whatever the topic.

[swiper]

Let's see: Fletch and Swiper agreeing with one another. Yeah, I'm going to go the other way, whatever the topic.

You can add Jerry Sullivan.


Bills fans should hope that Pegula learned from his mistakes in the NHL, where the Sabres devolved into a laughingstock in the eyes of many NHL insiders, not to mention the worst offensive team in half a century.I vividly recall the day Pegula took over the Sabres and met with our editorial board. He said he wasn’t the sort of businessman who took over a company and made rash decisions. He preferred to sit back, observe the operation for a while and make his own personnel judgments.

At the time, I urged Pegula to bring in a “fresh set of eyes” to evaluate his entire operation, someone without any emotional ties to anyone in a stale, foundering organization.

Pegula brushed it off. He pledged his devotion to Darcy Regier and Lindy Ruff and continued the Sabres’ inexorable descent into irrelevance. He held on to Regier, even extending his contract, long after it had become obvious that major changes were needed.

He can’t travel down the same path. This isn’t the oil and gas business. It’s big-time pro sports, where players and circumstances change rapidly from one year to the next, and where owners and fans are increasingly impatient when they don’t see results on the field.

http://www.buffalonews.com/columns/jerry-sullivan/pegulas-are-in-the-big-time-with-nfl-20140910

Don't let logic and fact get into the way of your blind fandom.

They should call you Dr. WTF.

[Dr. Who]

The Sabres are going to be a really good team for a long time in a few years.

I could add a few letters to the beginning of swiper to come up with an equally clever and juvenile retort.

[WagonCircler]

This is funny. As you are the one that is all worked up. With all your postings lately. And the duplicate posts about putting a stadium up in the slums. As if posting it twice might get his attention or something. ROFL. And as far as me and the fracking. I made a single remark about it by posting a video. I did not really comment on it. You want my opinion? I'll give it to you. But we both know that that doesn't matter. (Although maybe if I post it twice, I might get his attention). ROFL.

Maybe the best advice is for you to calm down and stop your pills, liquor, and porn. IDK. Either way, I do hope you're right about Pegula's violin-playing plan. If it brings competitive football to Buffalo beyond any given September, then we all can focus on rooting for something we only got to see for a brief few years.

The only reason I posted it twice was to show that I posted it, then Carl Paladino proposed to build it in the exact same spot that I did.

Call it slums, call it what you want, but that's where the stadium will be. You hate Pegula, for bizarre reasons, but he has done more to spur downtown development that anyone in recent memory, and he singlehandedly saved our football team.

I think he deserves some gratitude, but you and the ***** brothers coastal and Elvis piss all over him. Nice group you're in.

[swiper]

The Sabres are going to be a really good team for a long time in a few years.

I could add a few letters to the beginning of swiper to come up with an equally clever and juvenile retort.

Buffalo fans. Homers living on a prayer. Bon Jovi would have been appropriate here.

[swiper]

The only reason I posted it twice was to show that I posted it, then Carl Paladino proposed to build it in the exact same spot that I did.

Call it slums, call it what you want, but that's where the stadium will be. You hate Pegula, for bizarre reasons, but he has done more to spur downtown development that anyone in recent memory, and he singlehandedly saved our football team.

I think he deserves some gratitude, but you and the ***** brothers coastal and Elvis piss all over him. Nice group you're in.

Ok. Spanky. You prove again that you are nothing more than Better Days junior. Trying to put words into others mouths from which they did not come. I never said I hated Pegula. Nothing even close to that. I pointed out his boasting after he bought the Sabres and his embarrassing failure to deliver on his promise. That and I can't get excited over such an individual owning the Bills until he delivers something. You just keep living on a prayer too. Hope that Slippery When Wet album isn't all scratched up for you.

[WagonCircler]

Ok. Spanky. You prove again that you are nothing more than Better Days junior. Trying to put words into others mouths from which they did not come. I never said I hated Pegula. Nothing even close to that. I pointed out his boasting after he bought the Sabres and his embarrassing failure to deliver on his promise. That and I can't get excited over such an individual owning the Bills until he delivers something. You just keep living on a prayer too. Hope that Slippery When Wet album isn't all scratched up for you.

You may not have said it, but you certainly have implied it.

And you may call it a boast, but I think of it as a mission statement.

We've never had a pro sports owner we could point to in Buffalo about whom you could say "That guy doesn't care about anything but winning."

You certainly couldn't say it about Ralph. And Golisano was the exact opposite of that statement. With the Knoxes, it was harder to pin down.

This guy has money to burn and he approaches ownership from an entirely now perspective, and I'm happy as hell about it, as-swiper. (thanks for that one, Dr. Who).

[swiper]

Ok junior. Call me when he delivers. Wilson said many times that all he wanted to do was win. Your memory is as short as your dick.

[WagonCircler]

Ok junior. Call me when he delivers. Wilson said many times that all he wanted to do was win. Your memory is as short as your dick.

I knew you were focused on you illusions of my dick. You're thinking of coastal's dick (his wife told me), not my firehose.

Ralph said many times that he wanted to win. I told many a cocktail waitress at sunup that I really liked them and wanted to see them again. That they were girlfriend material. Neither one of us meant it.

Ralph was 2-52 and the 2 don't count because there was another league at the time. You know--what did they call it? Oh, yeah. The NFL.

But go ahead, rag Pegula for being 0-2, while slobbing on Ralph's knob. It makes you sound really smart.

[swiper]

Does your mother realize she raised a ******?

[WagonCircler]

Does your mother realize she raised a ******?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Pimp slapped by the post? Go to the Mother smack. "And....HEY---I'll throw in a little ****** smack! That'll show him!"

Have a cocktail, Swipey. Without the tail, the way you like it. It'll be OK.