if you feel we are good except at QB, would you...

[trapezeus]

find a QB that you think is good already in the league and offer to trade a number of picks to acquire that qb.

I doubt someone like luck, R Wilson would be available for two years worth of entire picks, but say the next level down, would you bet on trading even more picks to find a "win now QB who has NFL seasoning" or do you think we need to find that guy via draft?

I think this is a hard question because the team seems pretty close to being a young team ready to make a push...but i don't think orton is going to give us long term answer for 2015 and beyond. and drafting one next year may have the same if not worse results than EJ since we will be taking a 2nd round pick or worse as qb.

[Fletch]

Not sure whether to comment or not, I'm not one of those that thinks we are good except at QB.

LB is an issue since we don't have any LBs that specialize in pass D except for Alonso.

Jackson is finished any time now. Love the guy but age is age.

Spiller can't cut the full-time RB role and may not even be with the the team next year if they don't give him what he wants. If they do it will probably be overpaying him. Also, what will the new GM and head coach that we're hopefully going to get think. Who carries the ball when Jackson isn't around anymore? Brown? Please.

Can use an upgrade at TE.

Dareus? Kyle Williams is in his back-9.

Secondary has no playmakers.

Coaching is dicey at best pending new GM.

[The Jokeman]

find a QB that you think is good already in the league and offer to trade a number of picks to acquire that qb.

I doubt someone like luck, R Wilson would be available for two years worth of entire picks, but say the next level down, would you bet on trading even more picks to find a "win now QB who has NFL seasoning" or do you think we need to find that guy via draft?

I think this is a hard question because the team seems pretty close to being a young team ready to make a push...but i don't think orton is going to give us long term answer for 2015 and beyond. and drafting one next year may have the same if not worse results than EJ since we will be taking a 2nd round pick or worse as qb.

No because you go "all in" for one player and something happens to said player then you're in a really bad place. I know everyone here is commenting how bad EJ's played because it's easy to point out. Yet our running attack has struggled more specifically our short running game. Toss in we're getting limited production from our TEs (despite Chandler leading the team in receiving last year). Also we have some question marks with the interior defense until we learn the status of Kyle Williams and Bradham. Toss in most great QBs never get traded unless the team has an alternative guy they know can replace him in place. I mean what guy do you think we could realistically trade for?

[trapezeus]

i don't know. I am torn. i think the team is pretty talented, but probably not good enough. and simply holding status quo and drafting a qb, i think the D will get worse as a QB develops in say 2 years.

I am just trying to make sense of the disaster we've put ourselves in and how the team works itself out of this. I still think they can go to the playoffs this year. but i don't know how you take this team with tweaks much further quickly. To me they will need a legit QB, and developing one takes time (even if you got the right one)

Would you throw picks at NE and bet on Brady for 2 years. If belichick thinks he's done, he'll give him up and fleece us. I'm not excited about it because i frankly don't think Brady earned the accolades himself without the product of spygate.

Do you think the saints would be willing to give up on brees seeing htat they have a long rebuild brewing and not wanting to pay that salary.

again, not great long term options and are a little Madden like in theory...and it still leaves us thin in some other areas. but for people who think it's just a qb away, and we already are short a 1st round pick, do we gamble again with this roster to get us there?

I'm just having a hard time seeing how this doesn't end with a completely fired staff and management and new 3 year plan trotted out.

[better days]

I don't really want any QB another team wants to get rid of.

I think Orton is probably as good as anyone the Bills could get.

I say let EJ develop & draft another couple guys at the QB position to develop as well.

[better days]

i don't know. I am torn. i think the team is pretty talented, but probably not good enough. and simply holding status quo and drafting a qb, i think the D will get worse as a QB develops in say 2 years.

I am just trying to make sense of the disaster we've put ourselves in and how the team works itself out of this. I still think they can go to the playoffs this year. but i don't know how you take this team with tweaks much further quickly. To me they will need a legit QB, and developing one takes time (even if you got the right one)

Would you throw picks at NE and bet on Brady for 2 years. If belichick thinks he's done, he'll give him up and fleece us. I'm not excited about it because i frankly don't think Brady earned the accolades himself without the product of spygate.

Do you think the saints would be willing to give up on brees seeing htat they have a long rebuild brewing and not wanting to pay that salary.

again, not great long term options and are a little Madden like in theory...and it still leaves us thin in some other areas. but for people who think it's just a qb away, and we already are short a 1st round pick, do we gamble again with this roster to get us there?

I'm just having a hard time seeing how this doesn't end with a completely fired staff and management and new 3 year plan trotted out.

If Pegula cleans house, whoever comes in is going to have a GOOD team to work with.

When Nix was hired the cupboard was bare.

Now it is pretty well stocked.

[The Jokeman]

i don't know. I am torn. i think the team is pretty talented, but probably not good enough. and simply holding status quo and drafting a qb, i think the D will get worse as a QB develops in say 2 years.

I am just trying to make sense of the disaster we've put ourselves in and how the team works itself out of this. I still think they can go to the playoffs this year. but i don't know how you take this team with tweaks much further quickly. To me they will need a legit QB, and developing one takes time (even if you got the right one)

Would you throw picks at NE and bet on Brady for 2 years. If belichick thinks he's done, he'll give him up and fleece us. I'm not excited about it because i frankly don't think Brady earned the accolades himself without the product of spygate.

Do you think the saints would be willing to give up on brees seeing htat they have a long rebuild brewing and not wanting to pay that salary.

again, not great long term options and are a little Madden like in theory...and it still leaves us thin in some other areas. but for people who think it's just a qb away, and we already are short a 1st round pick, do we gamble again with this roster to get us there?

I'm just having a hard time seeing how this doesn't end with a completely fired staff and management and new 3 year plan trotted out.

Brady is showing this year he needs an above average offensive line to be successful and he seems better works best with proven veteran WRs. I don't hink our offensive line is that much better than New Englands. Cordy Glenn and Eric Wood might be better Solder and Wendell but the rest of the guys it's a push. Also I'm not sure our receiving core significantly better than what Brady has. As Gronk is better than anyone we have. Edelman is slightly better than Mike Wiliams but we don't have anyone in the lines of Brandon LaFell. This is why I felt keeping SJ13 and drafting an Ebron would prove a wiser investment. As to me veteran WRs like SJ13 and Mike Williams would benefit a QB more. It's not saying Watkins hasn't played well as he has but his putting up realasitic rookie type numbers.In terms of Drew Brees, he's the face of the Saints franchise and I can't see him being moved ever and you have to wonder if playing in dome as much as he doesn't inflate his numbers and I can debate that Graham/Colston/Cooks a better trio than what we have here. I want to emphasize here I am not deny the talent of Woods or Watkins but they're still both young guys in my eyes (see less than 3 NFL years) and to me counting on them to be every week contributors is a lot. As I don't see that until they reach year 3. I mean look at some other WRs struggling in their second years Coradelle Patterson, who I wanted us to take the year we took EJ has struggled outside his dynamic run in Week 1. Outside of this past week Keenan Allen has been invisable in San Diego inspite of playing with the early favorite to win MVP (Phillip Rivers).

[Fletch]

I am just trying to make sense of the disaster we've put ourselves in and how the team works itself out of this.

I'm just having a hard time seeing how this doesn't end with a completely fired staff and management and new 3 year plan trotted out.

You answered your own question there, or responded to your own thought.

If that happens, as it should if Pegula cares about creating a competitive team, then the new GM comes in hamstrung with no 1st or 4th round draft picks, maybe a compensatory pick or two, who knows, and will need to wait at least for the 2016 crop of QBs if there's a good crop then.

Seems like the last thing that they should do is give a QB on the outs a big contract, or any free agent QB a big contract.

Let's hope that Pegula does the right thing and fumigates OBD come December 29th. The longer he waits to do that the less likely it will be that he does what is necessary. On the other side of the coin if Whaley is kept around at least we get the pleasure of watching him stew in his own juice next offseason. Granted, it won't be much or enough of a consolation and it wouldn't bode well for the future.

Pegula should go straight for Jon Gruden.

[Fletch]

If Pegula cleans house, whoever comes in is going to have a GOOD team to work with.

It will be decent and rebuilable within two seasons for sure if he hires a GM and coach that know wtf they're doing unlike all the others we've had.

[better days]

You answered your own question there, or responded to your own thought.

If that happens, as it should if Pegula cares about creating a competitive team, then the new GM comes in hamstrung with no 1st or 4th round draft picks, maybe a compensatory pick or two, who knows, and will need to wait at least for the 2016 crop of QBs if there's a good crop then.

Seems like the last thing that they should do is give a QB on the outs a big contract, or any free agent QB a big contract.

Let's hope that Pegula does the right thing and fumigates OBD come December 29th. The longer he waits to do that the less likely it will be that he does what is necessary. On the other side of the coin if Whaley is kept around at least we get the pleasure of watching him stew in his own juice next offseason. Granted, it won't be much or enough of a consolation and it wouldn't bode well for the future.

Pegula should go straight for Jon Gruden.

The Bills won't have a first next year in the draft, but with Pegula as owner, I expect him to bring in some talent in free agency.

[The Jokeman]

You answered your own question there, or responded to your own thought.

If that happens, as it should if Pegula cares about creating a competitive team, then the new GM comes in hamstrung with no 1st or 4th round draft picks, maybe a compensatory pick or two, who knows, and will need to wait at least for the 2016 crop of QBs if there's a good crop then.

Seems like the last thing that they should do is give a QB on the outs a big contract, or any free agent QB a big contract.

Let's hope that Pegula does the right thing and fumigates OBD come December 29th. The longer he waits to do that the less likely it will be that he does what is necessary. On the other side of the coin if Whaley is kept around at least we get the pleasure of watching him stew in his own juice next offseason. Granted, it won't be much or enough of a consolation and it wouldn't bode well for the future.

Pegula should go straight for Jon Gruden.

If Pegula follows his model of the Sabres he's not going to bring in a big name in Gruden. He might pursue a guy like Gary Kubiak if we look as soon as next year but have a feeling Marrone sticks around at least to the end of next year.

[The Jokeman]

The Bills won't have a first next year in the draft, but with Pegula as owner, I expect him to bring in some talent in free agency.

This makes sense my first move would be to retain Spikes. Second move would be pursue Jordan Cameron or Julius Thomas.

[justasportsfan]

Not sure whether to comment or not, I'm not one of those that thinks we are good except at QB.

blahblahblah.......

you really should have not commented. Read the title of the thread. Just can't hold back your hate for the bills huh?


if you feel we are good except at QB, would you...

[The King]

Realistically the only players that fit into this are players with giant question marks. No one is going to trade a QB who is playing well.

So you're looking at Alex Smith, Robert Griffin, Kirk Cousins, Mark Sanchez, Sam Bradford, Chad Henne and maybe Matt Hasselbeck. Hardly upgrades over Orton.

[BillsOverDolphins]

Somebody just watched Draft Day...

[Fletch]

you really should have not commented. Read the title of the thread. Just can't hold back your hate for the bills huh?

When you're through with your mental masterbation feel free to wipe the walls down. Then go **** yourself.

[trapezeus]

i want the bills to win this year with orton or with tuel or with marrone. whoever. win.

the team was built to be successful now. to address the qb situatoin in the draft, the part we built up will have aged out. if we go all in, the worst thing that happens is that we fail....something that i think this qb-less team is going to do long term.

i realize the only trade optoin would come from questionable former starters. orton being one of them. in terms of what terry can do when he really takes over on december 29th, it seems like total tear down is the faster option.

SAD fact of bills history: my cousin was 14 when the bills last made the playoffs. today he is a phd graduate. That kind of stunned me at how god awful this drought has been.

[Dr. Who]

you really should have not commented. Read the title of the thread. Just can't hold back your hate for the bills huh?

I think Fletch is Mike Rodak.

[notacon]

Anyone who thinks that the Bills are "good" exempt at QB is fooling themselves.

[stuckincincy]

When you're through with your mental masterbation feel free to wipe the walls down. Then go **** yourself.

There is no call for such words.

We are here to discuss, argue, kick the tires, agree, wring the towel and so on.

Man up and apologize.

[sudzy]

I say let EJ develop

If I could reach through this computer and punch you, I would!!

[Albany,n.y.]

If Pegula cleans house, whoever comes in is going to have a GOOD team to work with.

When Nix was hired the cupboard was bare.

Now it is pretty well stocked.
BS. Nix did more damage than anyone. The team is still years away. No QB, no real #1 TE, questionable O-line at G, mediocrity at DB. When he left we didn't even have any of our 3 (which by the way is ridiculous) Ps or PKs.
During the Nix years his moves were nothing special and he was the GM of record who reached for EJ. If W-L were $, Nix would have driven the team into bankruptcy.

[BuffaloRedleg]

How much would you give up for Brady right now?

Is he going to Joe Montana out of New England?

[feldspar]

find a QB that you think is good already in the league and offer to trade a number of picks to acquire that qb.

I doubt someone like luck, R Wilson would be available for two years worth of entire picks, but say the next level down, would you bet on trading even more picks to find a "win now QB who has NFL seasoning" or do you think we need to find that guy via draft?

I think this is a hard question because the team seems pretty close to being a young team ready to make a push...but i don't think orton is going to give us long term answer for 2015 and beyond. and drafting one next year may have the same if not worse results than EJ since we will be taking a 2nd round pick or worse as qb.

It all depends on the specific quarterback you are talking about.

QBs are like gold in this league. Unless someone is being an idiot, any kind of halfway proven decent QB in the NFL is not for sale. Say what you want, but the whole organization is basically built around these guys once you get them. And it's SO hard to find one.

Look at what Josh McDaniels did with Jay Cutler in Denver...this is an example of the idiocy that I'm talking about, trading him away to da Bears like that. Yeah, Cutler is a second-tier quarterback, but a situation where a team trades a guy like that is rare. I guess this is the type of thing you are talking about?

Whaley should constantly be on the phone regardless. The scouts should have QB on top of their list. Some kind of deal could always be swung to nab a guy in the draft, maybe including some players. They'd have to feel very, very strongly about that player to do anything drastic. The problem with the 2013 draft is that the Bills had their hearts set on getting a QB high no matter what...no matter what the market was like. That's a mistake. Like they finally realized that they needed a quality QB, but were victims of what the market had to offer.

[justasportsfan]

Nix's legacy is tied to EJ. It isn't looking good right now.

[starrymessenger]

I feel that we are good at QB.

[starrymessenger]

How much would you give up for Brady right now?

Is he going to Joe Montana out of New England?

A box of Kleenex.

[The Jokeman]

How much would you give up for Brady right now?

Is he going to Joe Montana out of New England?

I'd give up a 3rd round pick for Brady and odds are it's too low to get him. As I outlined earlier I question how well he'd succeed here as I don't think we have the parts that will have him return to his old form. As bad as they're playing I think the Patriots have a better collections of WRs then we do and sure as heck have a better TE. Yes our RBs are better but think our O-lines are even with us maybe having a slight edge.

[better days]

If I could reach through this computer and punch you, I would!!

Wouldn't be the first time I've been punched.

I can take a punch & I do punch back.