Would You Trade CJ Spiller For A 3rd Round Draft Pick or Potential Starting Guard?

[BillsImpossible]

Tuesday, October 28th at 4:00 pm is the NFL Trade Deadline Date.

If Doug Whaley's phone rings and another team offers to give up a 2015 3rd round draft pick for CJ Spiller, or a potential starting guard, would you trade him?

If the Bills can get an extra draft pick next year, why not? I don't see CJ Spiller in the future plans of the Bills. They're not going to pay him $5 million a season and a huge signing bonus.

I think a 3rd rounder is fair, but of course Whaley is going to want a 2nd rounder and the other team's GM won't budge beyond a 4th round draft pick.

Memories of Marshawn Lynch? CJ Spiller is a totally different kind of running back compared to Lynch who can pound the ball up the middle.

Who's more desperate at running back? Not the Bills.

Who's more desperate at guard? The Bills.

Trade Spiller? I'd say yes simply because he's not going to be here next year and he hasn't helped the Bills win this year.

Spiller has low mileage on his wheels. He's 27 years old and has at least 3 more good but not great years left.

Hopefully he has a great game against the Vikings and a deal gets done.

[better days]

No team is going to offer a 3rd rnd pick for any player this late in the season that will be a FA at the end of the year.

[BillsImpossible]

No team is going to offer a 3rd rnd pick for any player this late in the season that will be a FA at the end of the year.

The Dolphins really need a running back. A trade within the division? That would be ballsy.

What other teams need a running back?

[Mr. Pink]

CJ Spiller ain't even worth a 6th round pick.

He's a little flash with a lot of dance.

He doesn't hit holes, he doesn't break contact, he can't block.

All in a league where the importance of RB is basically minimal.

[better days]

The Dolphins really need a running back. A trade within the division? That would be ballsy.

What other teams need a running back?

This late in the season, to go to a new team, not knowing the offense or playbook, I DOUBT any team would trade anything more than a 6th rnd pick for a player that will be a FA after only 10 games.

[BillsImpossible]

http://www.fantasyfootballchallenge.com/105-2/running-back-injury-report.html

Carolina Panthers?

Denver Broncos? CJ Spiller with Peyton Manning, that would be interesting.

[BillsImpossible]

This late in the season, to go to a new team, not knowing the offense or playbook, I DOUBT any team would trade anything more than a 6th rnd pick for a player that will be a FA after only 10 games.

Learning the playbook for running backs is a whole lot different than every other position. It is the easiest position to learn from college to the NFL.

UB's own Branden Oliver is a great example.

[Fletch]

CJ Spiller ain't even worth a 6th round pick.

He's a little flash with a lot of dance.

He doesn't hit holes, he doesn't break contact, he can't block.

All in a league where the importance of RB is basically minimal.

He's great in space, aka with no one around him and huge holes.

LOL

[better days]

Learning the playbook for running backs is a whole lot different than every other position. It is the easiest position to learn from college to the NFL.

UB's own Branden Oliver is a great example.

Agreed, to learn the RB position is maybe the easiest position to learn, but still a game will be played this weekend, CJ is not going to play in that game for any team other than the Bills.

So CJ would be a 9 game rental. Nobody is going to pay anything more than a 6th for that.

[Fletch]

Agreed, to learn the RB position is maybe the easiest position to learn, but still a game will be played this weekend, CJ is not going to play in that game for any team other than the Bills.

So CJ would be a 9 game rental. Nobody is going to pay anything more than a 6th for that.

So you've now gone from suggesting we get a 1st to saying that he's nothing more than a 6th.

Gotta hand it to you bd ...

[cookie G]

no, but I'd trade Hackett for a copy of the South Buffalo Shamrocks run plays and a Diet Coke.

[Fletch]

LOL

[better days]

So you've now gone from suggesting we get a 1st to saying that he's nothing more than a 6th.

Gotta hand it to you bd ...

I am saying NO PLAYER about to become a FA after 9 games is worth more than a 6th.

I would be happy to see CJ resigned as long as Hackett goes & someone is hired that knows how to make use of CJ's talent.

[RedEyE]

No one is going to trade away a starting G this far into the season.

Pick(s) would be great but I think the most Spiller is worth right now is a 4th. Perhaps a team desperate enough would give up a 3rd, but I think the Bills are better visiting this in the offseason. Trading him now doesn't help the team now.

[Bill Cody]

our usual system is draft 'em in the 1st, trade 'em for a 4th

[trapezeus]

No one is going to trade away a starting G this far into the season.

Pick(s) would be great but I think the most Spiller is worth right now is a 4th. Perhaps a team desperate enough would give up a 3rd, but I think the Bills are better visiting this in the offseason. Trading him now doesn't help the team now.

they lose him for nothing in the offseason, no?
He's ranked 31 in total yards and 44 in yards per attempt. He's a top 20 back in number of carries.


i think he's running scared and i think they are misusing him. but it doesn't seem like they are going to can hackett any time soon. i would rather trade him now.


to me, he is best as a 3rd down back, but with his inability to block on 3rd down, he's not much of a decoy and it doesn't necessarily get him open space. i think his value is going to continue to decrease unless there is a team who has another good back and they want to line up in the backfield together on plays.

[better days]

they lose him for nothing in the offseason, no?
He's ranked 31 in total yards and 44 in yards per attempt. He's a top 20 back in number of carries.


i think he's running scared and i think they are misusing him. but it doesn't seem like they are going to can hackett any time soon. i would rather trade him now.


to me, he is best as a 3rd down back, but with his inability to block on 3rd down, he's not much of a decoy and it doesn't necessarily get him open space. i think his value is going to continue to decrease unless there is a team who has another good back and they want to line up in the backfield together on plays.

With the speed Spiller has, he should not be used for blocking on 3rd down.

He should be used as a receiver.

[RedEyE]

His speed is his best attribute and that will obviously depreciate. He is a scat style back that cannot play 3 downs that has limited vision and avoids contact on downfield breaks. His blocking skills are lack luster. He's basically a softer version of Reggie Bush. Not worth scrambling around to retain him.

[better days]

His speed is his best attribute and that will obviously depreciate. He is a scat style back that cannot play 3 downs that has limited vision and avoids contact on downfield breaks. His blocking skills are lack luster. He's basically a softer version of Reggie Bush. Not worth scrambling around to retain him.

I would compare Spiller to McCoy more than Bush.

Spiller is not only FAST but is a VERY GOOD receiver as well.

STUPID the Bills hardly ever throw him the ball past the LOS.

[trapezeus]

With the speed Spiller has, he should not be used for blocking on 3rd down.

He should be used as a receiver.

you should be able to do multiple things with a player. he should be in on second and third down. and on third down,you should be able to get him open in space. if he sometimes chips in on blocks, teams will sometimes gamble with sending the blitz and leaving spiller alone on a screen because he rolls out after faking to block.

as it is now, they know to cover him if he's in on third down because he never will block and if he is, it's meaningless. it buys no time for the QB.

this is precisely how he's not helping himself to be used correctly.

i'm with Redeye on this, his speed will slow down and unless you have personel to afford a gimmick like spiller, a pick is better than keeping him. especially in a year you traded to get another RB. He should not be on this team after the 29th. and if he is, they need to rebuild an offense around his skills. with him lining up in the slot and moving in motion

[Mr. Pink]

I would compare Spiller to McCoy more than Bush.

Spiller is not only FAST but is a VERY GOOD receiver as well.

STUPID the Bills hardly ever throw him the ball past the LOS.

Spiller is a poor man's version of Eric Metcalf.

He couldn't run up the middle either.

And was eventually moved to WR.

[ublinkwescore]

I honestly wouldn't care if Buffalo just released his ass. he is worthless. I would rather see Bryce Brown getting touches than CJ even being on the team.

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can we start shopping Gilmore too?

[Mahdi]

People forget so easily how Spiller was actually very good at running inside before Marrone got here. We didn't need a 2 TON OL either.

How is it that so many people can't see that he has nowhere to run once he receives the handoff?

You have 2 struggling guards and a rookie RT who is not good at run blocking... lets not forget that Fred is the 34th leading rusher in the NFL.

[better days]

I honestly wouldn't care if Buffalo just released his ass. he is worthless. I would rather see Bryce Brown getting touches than CJ even being on the team.

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can we start shopping Gilmore too?

CJ is a classic example of a Coach not having a clue how to use a player with a certain skill set.

In the right system, Spiller would be great, but he is not a power back which is what Hackett is using him as.

[trapezeus]

People forget so easily how Spiller was actually very good at running inside before Marrone got here. We didn't need a 2 TON OL either.

How is it that so many people can't see that he has nowhere to run once he receives the handoff?

You have 2 struggling guards and a rookie RT who is not good at run blocking... lets not forget that Fred is the 34th leading rusher in the NFL.

Fred has ~15 less carries and averages 4.4 a carry (ranked 21 of 52) while CJ averages 3.4 (44 of 52). someone is finding room when its there, and someone else is running backwards.

i agree, a different line scheme made CJ better in the past, but if we aren't committed to it, and marrone and co are here going forward, get the pick for him. at 27, he's no spring chicken either. get a RB that fits your scheme. and i htink dixon and jackson are more the type of runner that works.

[Albany,n.y.]

In 1998 the Bills had a former 7th rounder on the last year of his contract. They traded him during the season for a 4th rounder to Green Bay. Anyone who thinks that all CJ Spiller is worth is a 6th rounder needs to brush up on their draft history and get real.

[better days]

In 1998 the Bills had a former 7th rounder on the last year of his contract. They traded him during the season for a 4th rounder to Green Bay. Anyone who thinks that all CJ Spiller is worth is a 6th rounder needs to brush up on their draft history and get real.

How many games were left in the season?

What place was Green Bay in?

What were the free Agency rules at that time?

[trapezeus]

and this is before the commoditization of the running back.

[better days]

and this is before the commoditization of the running back.

And this was before the liberal Free agency rules as well.

[casdhf]

A Darrick Holmes reference.

[Albany,n.y.]

Free agency has been the same since the early 1990s. How do you think we lost players like Wolford, Ballard, Odomes etc.?

[better days]

Free agency has been the same since the early 1990s. How do you think we lost players like Wolford, Ballard, Odomes etc.?

There has been free agency since the 90's, but the rules about it have changed.

And how about answering the other questions I asked you?

[Generalissimus Gibby]

CJ Spiller ain't even worth a 6th round pick.

He's a little flash with a lot of dance.

He doesn't hit holes, he doesn't break contact, he can't block.

All in a league where the importance of RB is basically minimal.

He's a good utility back, above average kick returner, he won't get a third, but he might get a fourth and really if we are planning on salvaging this season I'd trade him to someone who needed a spark of offense for a good serviceable OL and maybe a 4th.

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A Darrick Holmes reference.

Would be flipping sweet if this team evolved into the 98 Bills.

[paladin warrior]

Trade to Viking.

[sudzy]

I would trade him just so Hackett can't run that inside draw play he seems to insist CJ can run. And has led to CJ 2 yard per carry average.

[sudzy]

Spiller is a poor man's version of Eric Metcalf.

He couldn't run up the middle either.

And was eventually moved to WR.

He was a pretty good kick return, just like CJ. Only Metcalf played in a time when kick offs weren't going out of the endzone 90% of the time.

[HHURRICANE]

Ok this is an easy one.

There is no way Whaley is trading Spiller. If Spiller goes to another team this season and lights it up Whaley's pretty much dead man walking. Easier to keep him and say we couldn't get him signed. That way if he plays well on another team next year it won't be Whaley's fault.

Sad but true.

[Don't Panic]

Unfortunately the time to trade him was about four months ago. Even then, a 3rd would have been a stretch. Unless he wants to come back for complementary pay, I say we let him walk.

[Fletch]

Spiller is a poor man's version of Eric Metcalf.

He couldn't run up the middle either.

And was eventually moved to WR.

Yeah, agree. Pretty good analogy.

I've actually been thinking like Charlie Garner as well. He started only a few seasons with mixed results and like Spiller put up a good season. Two really, but he was more of a role player too and it really showed vs. Tampa in the SB.

[Fletch]

Fred has ~15 less carries and averages 4.4 a carry (ranked 21 of 52) while CJ averages 3.4 (44 of 52). someone is finding room when its there, and someone else is running backwards.

Come on, you know what they say, Spiller needs space. Many can't figure out that's just another way of saying he can't play in traffic.

[Fletch]

Ok this is an easy one.

There is no way Whaley is trading Spiller. If Spiller goes to another team this season and lights it up Whaley's pretty much dead man walking. Easier to keep him and say we couldn't get him signed. That way if he plays well on another team next year it won't be Whaley's fault.

Sad but true.

I don't know, seems like kinda the opposite to me. Put yourself in Pegula's shoes. Not saying guess what he'll do because I don't have that much faith that he'll do what needs to be done, but imagine yourself as GM. If you haven't done so already read the quotes below and watch that video.

Then tell me why Whaley's not a dead man walking the second this team hit 8 losses? Seriously, I'd fire his as unceremoniously within hours of our 8th loss this season. He's at the core of our issues.

To me the smartest thing he can do is try to get something good for Spiller and attempt to reclaim some of our picks, our original 1st and 4th and maybe our 4th for Brown too depending upon how the rest of the season shakes out. While Brown isn't the answer behind Jackson I don't see much difference between him and Spiller except that he's bigger. They have similar styles except that Brown might have a little bit more of a "downhill" tendency.

Like Spiller all of his highlights come from three games, in Spiller's case the same percentage of games that he's played.

Brown runs better in space too. Come to think of it so do all players.

[Albany,n.y.]

There has been free agency since the 90's, but the rules about it have changed.

And how about answering the other questions I asked you?

If you know the answers just state them, I'm not looking up the specific stuff to satisfy you. Sure Homes was traded earlier in the season than now but there's still a lot of football to go & as far as where GB was, what difference does that make since it's pretty obvious that a bad team isn't going to trade for Spiller, only a team that thinks it's a contender because only those teams will make a rent a player trade. There's nothing that has changed dramatically since the late 90s that change the status of a free agent to be. The important thing is the team trading for the guy will lose him at the end of the season unless they re-sign him before free agency. Once again, if you know something just state it because I don't know what you think has changed so dramatically that makes a team trading for a player whose contract is up in a few months different since the 1990s. The player is gone from the new team in a few months, how has that changed?

[WagonCircler]

http://www.fantasyfootballchallenge.com/105-2/running-back-injury-report.html

Carolina Panthers?

Denver Broncos? CJ Spiller with Peyton Manning, that would be interesting.

That would actually be an ideal situation for CJ. Well, for any RB, but especially for CJ.

Playing in an Offense that stretches the field opens things up along the line of scrimmage. CJ is not a complete RB. He is a specialist. But if used correctly, he can be dangerous.

Since I don't see Hackett miraculously figuring out how to use CJ before the end of the season, I'd take whatever we could get for him.

[better days]

If you know the answers just state them, I'm not looking up the specific stuff to satisfy you. Sure Homes was traded earlier in the season than now but there's still a lot of football to go & as far as where GB was, what difference does that make since it's pretty obvious that a bad team isn't going to trade for Spiller, only a team that thinks it's a contender because only those teams will make a rent a player trade. There's nothing that has changed dramatically since the late 90s that change the status of a free agent to be. The important thing is the team trading for the guy will lose him at the end of the season unless they re-sign him before free agency. Once again, if you know something just state it because I don't know what you think has changed so dramatically that makes a team trading for a player whose contract is up in a few months different since the 1990s. The player is gone from the new team in a few months, how has that changed?

I didn't know the answers that is why I asked you.

I looked up the rules for free agency & found nothing.

I looked up Derick Holmes & all I found was on WIKI. It said Holmes played 3 games for Buffalo in 1998 & later that year signed with the Packers.

So it looks like the trade you said the Packers made with the Bills was PURE BS. The Packers did not trade for Derick Holmes.

It looks like the Bills cut Holmes & Holmes signed with the Packers as a FA.

[better days]

That would actually be an ideal situation for CJ. Well, for any RB, but especially for CJ.

Playing in an Offense that stretches the field opens things up along the line of scrimmage. CJ is not a complete RB. He is a specialist. But if used correctly, he can be dangerous.

Since I don't see Hackett miraculously figuring out how to use CJ before the end of the season, I'd take whatever we could get for him.


I would rather see Hackett leave & CJ stay after this year is over.

[Albany,n.y.]

I didn't know the answers that is why I asked you.

I looked up the rules for free agency & found nothing.

I looked up Derick Holmes & all I found was on WIKI. It said Holmes played 3 games for Buffalo in 1998 & later that year signed with the Packers.

So it looks like the trade you said the Packers made with the Bills was PURE BS. The Packers did not trade for Derick Holmes.

It looks like the Bills cut Holmes & Holmes signed with the Packers as a FA.

Holmes was traded for a 4th rounder-Don't go calling BS on someone based on your own ignorance. How much of a fan are you if you can't even remember the trade? If you're too young to remember it, look it up correctly before you say something stupid. It was a 4th rounder-just look up the 1999 draft pick 122 Bobby Collins.


PACKERS ACQUIRE RUNNING BACK DARICK HOLMES IN TRADE WITH BUFFALO


posted 9/29/98

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Darick Holmes

The Green Bay Packers have acquired veteran running back Darick Holmes from the Buffalo Bills for an undisclosed, 1999 draft choice, Executive Vice President/General Manager Ron Wolf announced today.
http://nfl.packers.com/news/releases/1998/09/09-29b.html

[better days]

Holmes was traded for a 4th rounder-Don't go calling BS on someone based on your own ignorance. How much of a fan are you if you can't even remember the trade? If you're too young to remember it, look it up correctly before you say something stupid. It was a 4th rounder-just look up the 1999 draft pick 122 Bobby Collins.


PACKERS ACQUIRE RUNNING BACK DARICK HOLMES IN TRADE WITH BUFFALO


posted 9/29/98

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Darick Holmes

The Green Bay Packers have acquired veteran running back Darick Holmes from the Buffalo Bills for an undisclosed, 1999 draft choice, Executive Vice President/General Manager Ron Wolf announced today.
http://nfl.packers.com/news/releases/1998/09/09-29b.html

Like I said all I found was on WIKI which did not mention a trade.

The article you linked does mention a trade, but not what round it was in.

Link an article that says it was a for 4th rnd pick.

All I found on Collins was the Bills drafted him in the 4th rnd in 1999 & traded him to the Packers in 2001.........kind of funny the Packers traded for him as well as Holmes.

Well, I did find the Bills had two 4th rnd picks in 1999, but also two 7th rnd picks. I still have not seen where the Packers traded a 4th for Holmes.

[The Jokeman]

Like I said all I found was on WIKI which did not mention a trade.

The article you linked does mention a trade, but not what round it was in.

Link an article that says it was a for 4th rnd pick.

All I found on Collins was the Bills drafted him in the 4th rnd in 1999 & traded him to the Packers in 2001.........kind of funny the Packers traded for him as well as Holmes.

Well, I did find the Bills had two 4th rnd picks in 1999, but also two 7th rnd picks. I still have not seen where the Packers traded a 4th for Holmes.

Links, the first one http://www.packershistory.net/1998PACKERS.html is tougher to read but it's located just over the Gallery at the bottom of the page. so I also included a second one at http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Years/1999.htm


Traded Darick Holmes to Packers for 1999 fourth round pick (#122-Bobby Collins) on 1998-09-29.

[better days]

Links, the first one http://www.packershistory.net/1998PACKERS.html is tougher to read so I also included a second one at http://www.prosportstransactions.com/football/DraftTrades/Years/1999.htm
Just do a control F on your browser for Holmes to find it since they're both big pages with alot of text.

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I checked the Packers draft for 1999 thinking if they did not have a 4th it would be the pick the Bills got, but the Packers had two 4th rnd picks in that draft as well as two 3rd rnd picks.

They also had two 5th, two 6th & two 7th rnd picks. So it looks like the Packers could afford to rent Holmes for the year for a 4th, but there were more games left than there are this year.

And the only name that stood out in that Packers draft was Donald Driver.......in the 7th rnd.

[The Jokeman]

I checked the Packers draft for 1999 thinking if they did not have a 4th it would be the pick the Bills got, but the Packers had two 4th rnd picks in that draft as well as two 3rd rnd picks.

They also had two 5th, two 6th & two 7th rnd picks. So it looks like the Packers could afford to rent Holmes for the year for a 4th, but there were more games left than there are this year.

And the only name that stood out in that Packers draft was Donald Driver.......in the 7th rnd.

The Packers got 2 compensation picks for lost free agents at the end the 4th Round of the draft which by NFL rules you can't trade, the second link is a better guide to use when talk NFL trade and picks. I've used it a few times in other discussions.

[Mr. Pink]

If you could get a 4th round pick for Spiller, it should be done in a heartbeat. He's gonna be gone for nothing anyway.

And honestly, I don't think this offense will even miss him.

[better days]

If you could get a 4th round pick for Spiller, it should be done in a heartbeat. He's gonna be gone for nothing anyway.

And honestly, I don't think this offense will even miss him.

Well, the Bills do have experience trading GOOD RB's for 4th rnd picks.

[Mr B]

This is hilarious, the Bills don't even know how to use Spiller and Williams. They both were good before. Pathetic. Same thing every season....

[Mr. Pink]

This is hilarious, the Bills don't even know how to use Spiller and Williams. They both were good before. Pathetic. Same thing every season....

Spiller doesn't know how to hit holes, doesn't know how to stop dancing...but that's on coaching right?

He had one good season and the rest he's looked like a guy who's simply not an NFL RB.

[cookie G]

That would actually be an ideal situation for CJ. Well, for any RB, but especially for CJ.

Playing in an Offense that stretches the field opens things up along the line of scrimmage. CJ is not a complete RB. He is a specialist. But if used correctly, he can be dangerous.

Since I don't see Hackett miraculously figuring out how to use CJ before the end of the season, I'd take whatever we could get for him.

Well, that is the Buffalo way. An incompetent OC can't figure out how to use one of the more explosive weapons in his arsenal, and instead, runs the ball up the middle nearly 90% of the time.

Instead of addressing the incompetence of the OC...dump the player and continue to enable the incompetent. But then, this IS an organization that promoted Brandon to CEO...so it fits.

Maybe next spring he'll demand we use our first draft pick on a 250 lb. running back..so he can run up the middle 95% of the time.

But damn...think about that...a run of the mill OC, who's track record is essentially 2 years as OC of an average college program...and he's essentially making personnel decisions now.

Kind of nuts.

[YardRat]

Garner racked up over 4000 yards rushing, had 287 catches (inc 91 in one season), and 30 tds over a four year span...CJ Spiller is no where near that level of production, and never will be.

[Woodman]

Trade the coordinator and get somebody that know's offense with experience.

Trade CJ is about the dopiest suggestion I've ever heard around here.

[better days]

Spiller doesn't know how to hit holes, doesn't know how to stop dancing...but that's on coaching right?

He had one good season and the rest he's looked like a guy who's simply not an NFL RB.

If Spiller is as bad as you think, why would anyone give up a 4th for him for 9 games as you suggested?

[BillsImpossible]

Trade the coordinator and get somebody that know's offense with experience.

Trade CJ is about the dopiest suggestion I've ever heard around here.

Spiller has 12 touchdowns in 4 and a half years. Half of them came in 2012. Whoopdie freaking do.

What has he done for the Bills lately?

Not much, and the holes are there. The opportunities are there, but CJ sucks as an in between the tackles runner and has poor field vision so it's all Hackett's fault.

Meanwhile, Fred Jackson is thinking to himself, "Man, if I was 27 years old in this offense I'd be tearing $%it up."

[better days]

Spiller has 12 touchdowns in 4 and a half years. Half of them came in 2012. Whoopdie freaking do.

What has he done for the Bills lately?

Not much, and the holes are there. The opportunities are there, but CJ sucks as an in between the tackles runner and has poor field vision so it's all Hackett's fault.

Meanwhile, Fred Jackson is thinking to himself, "Man, if I was 27 years old in this offense I'd be tearing $%it up."

It is Hacketts fault for misusing CJ Spiller.

CJ is a speed back that should have SPACE to run in.

He is NOT a power between the tackles RB.

[Mr. Pink]

If Spiller is as bad as you think, why would anyone give up a 4th for him for 9 games as you suggested?

I said if anyone would offer that they should take it in a heartbeat.

Personally, I don't think Spiller has any trade value. He's not very good, I would say consistent but he's consistently crappy, running back is not a needed position in today's NFL and he'll be a FA after the year.