Get a real OC. Hackett sucks

[justasportsfan]

Marrones offense suck. Makes me miss Gailey and Fitz

[Fixxxer]

Some of those swing passes as first option are quite pathetic, I'm OK with them if it's the 3rd read or as a result of a blitz, but those are an invitation to lose yards.

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[BertSquirtgum]

Can't Hackett.

[Buffalogic]

The plays are so bland and predictable it's really hard to believe.

[SpikedLemonade]

I just don't think Marrone will come to the decision on his own to fire Hackett. Marrone strikes me as a guy who is loyal to a fault.

This off-season Whaley needs to give Marrone no choice about firing Hackett.

I expect Marrone will quit and we will be looking for a new coach.

7-9 makes that easier to stomach than the false hope of a 8-8 record built on a no upside QB and a bunch of FAs and no #1 draft pick.

[BertSquirtgum]

Marrone and Hackett both need to be fired. This team won today because the defense kept them in the game like usual.

[justasportsfan]

Come to think of it ,I'm not sure if Hackett is the problem.

Maybe he's told to call "play not to lose " game plans by Marrone. Just like Jauron made his OCs to make conservative game plans.

[better days]

The plays Hackett was calling late in the game, you would have thought the Bills were up by 20 rather than down by 6.

[Crisis]

Hackett has definitely worn out his welcome. Marrone isn't looking great either though, for a guy who is supposed to be an OL specialist he sure has turned a decent line into absolute dog **** in less than two years.

I wish he would pick his OCs the way he's picked his DCs.

[ParanoidAndroid]

The worst point in the game for play selection came when we were down by 6, past the mid point of the 4th quarter, 2nd and 13 and they call a run up the middle. I wanted to throw something at the TV.

[kingJofNYC]

Hackett is so predictable. Watkins was getting open early, they gave home the ball, then they stopped going his way.

Our play calls consistent of run up the middle, run up the middle, pass or run up the middle, swing pass to RB, pass. Rinse and repeat. Our screen game is ****, and considering how much we run we rarely playaction.

[Forward_Lateral]

If the Bills don't turn the ball over 3 times in Vikes territory, they most likely score at least 9 points, and they route the Vikings.

I don't think the play calling was the issue today as much as it was the fumbles.

[DraftBoy]

If the Bills don't turn the ball over 3 times in Vikes territory, they most likely score at least 9 points, and they route the Vikings.

I don't think the play calling was the issue today as much as it was the fumbles.

Yea I thought the play calling was pretty good. It got a little safe and repetitive at a couple of points but it was well game planned.

[justasportsfan]

Our offense is not one that will step on anyone's throat. Its conservative and if players can't execute offensively that's on the coaches especially when our HC is an offensive minded coach.

Schwartz has his D unit performing. Time for Marrone/Hackett to get their day side of the ball fixed.

Schwartz has had one off season to fix his unit. Marrone Hackett has had 2. If it wasn't for Orton, this O would've been worse.

[Mace]

Come to think of it ,I'm not sure if Hackett is the problem.

Maybe he's told to call "play not to lose " game plans by Marrone. Just like Jauron made his OCs to make conservative game plans.

Maybe. Seems they came in here advertising buzzsaw though and gave us plastic utensil. We'll find out now.

[DraftBoy]

Our offense is not one that will step on anyone's throat. Its conservative and if players can't execute offensively that's on the coaches especially when our HC is an offensive minded coach.

Schwartz has his D unit performing. Time for Marrone/Hackett to get their day side of the ball fixed.

Schwartz has had one off season to fix his unit. Marrone Hackett has had 2. If it wasn't for Orton, this O would've been worse.

Well yea the D has far more talent than the O of course its playing better. They have four potential pro bowlers on the DL alone. At this point I'm not sure the O has a single pro bowl caliber player.

[The Jokeman]

Well yea the D has far more talent than the O of course its playing better. They have four potential pro bowlers on the DL alone. At this point I'm not sure the O has a single pro bowl caliber player.

Before this season I'd say Cordy Glenn was a borderline Pro Bowler (see equivalent to Jerry Hughes) but you're right on the whole the defense has a whole lot more talent.

[justasportsfan]

Well yea the D has far more talent than the O of course its playing better. They have four potential pro bowlers on the DL alone. At this point I'm not sure the O has a single pro bowl caliber player.

Chan could do better with this unit with the current talent IMO. It can be argued that Fitz and co. did better. Don't know what the redzone nos. were back then in comparison to now.

Pretty sure Chan new what to do with Fj and Spiller

[BertSquirtgum]

Yea I thought the play calling was pretty good. It got a little safe and repetitive at a couple of points but it was well game planned.

Oh. My. God. :shoothead:

[bf1]

If the Bills don't turn the ball over 3 times in Vikes territory, they most likely score at least 9 points, and they route the Vikings.

I don't think the play calling was the issue today as much as it was the fumbles.

:up:

[jimmifli]

Chan could do better with this unit with the current talent IMO. It can be argued that Fitz and co. did better. Don't know what the redzone nos. were back then in comparison to now.

Pretty sure Chan new what to do with Fj and Spiller

Chan was a good OC. He was a bad HC. I'm honestly a little surprised he didn't get hired somewhere else after showing what he could do with a terrible Oline, a bad QB and a bunch of late round WRs. He certainly made chicken salad out chicken ****.

I'd have no problem if he was rehired. I'd love to see him hired as a "screen consultant", kinda lick Dick Lebeau used to be a zone blitz consultant.

[TakingItuptheChin]

Coach Doug Moron is a more lousier person than Dick Jauron. He's painfully conservative, loves to punt and play scared. He's sort of the pussified version of Jauron.

[better days]

Chan was a good OC. He was a bad HC. I'm honestly a little surprised he didn't get hired somewhere else after showing what he could do with a terrible Oline, a bad QB and a bunch of late round WRs. He certainly made chicken salad out chicken ****.

I'd have no problem if he was rehired. I'd love to see him hired as a "screen consultant", kinda lick Dick Lebeau used to be a zone blitz consultant.

I think Chan would have been successful as a HC if he had a DC like Pettine or Schwartz.

[jimmifli]

I think Chan would have been successful as a HC if he had a DC like Pettine or Schwartz.
Temporarily.

The game is too big for a HC to also be the OC (and QB coach) while handing off complete defensive control to the DC. Especially when you've proven inept at evaluating DCs.

[justasportsfan]

Chan was a good OC. He was a bad HC.

I agree. His mistake was sticking with Fitz.

[jimmifli]

I agree. His mistake was sticking with Fitz.
What were his options?

[justasportsfan]

What were his options?
draft a qb? Gailey pimped Fitz to Nix and Nix gave him a huge contract.

[trapezeus]

just a question: but from a fan's perspective, a turnover here or there is a player issue. the # of turnovers in 2-3 games is starting to be alarming. none were poor ball protection where a guy had it popped out on the run, but still...some one has to say, "once you have guys on you in the redzone, let's just get down quick. we are leaving ourselves open to other guys getting on the pile and ripping the ball out. all for 1 or 2 more yards"

while the play calls were ok, i think the lineplay is just atrocious. frankly, i was kind of surprised by how much the vikings elected to not stunt on the bills. when D's do that, the line has no idea who to pick up. This isn't just a one or two game breakdown. it's been fairly consistent.

and while i don't think Orton is the QB of the future or particularly that good, he's a lot better than EJ. And he's getting hit a whole lot.

[better days]

Temporarily.

The game is too big for a HC to also be the OC (and QB coach) while handing off complete defensive control to the DC. Especially when you've proven inept at evaluating DCs.

Payton is the OC for the Saints, Belichick is the DC for the Pats*.