Orton vs EJ by the numbers with same amount of games played....

[HHURRICANE]

Player Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

Kyle Orton 95 141 67.4 35.2 1,128 8.0 282.0 9 3 54 38.3 84 17 3 17 104.0

EJ Manuel 76 131 58.0 32.8 838 6.4 209.5 5 3 39 29.8 80T 13 1 6 80.3

[HHURRICANE]

Very hard to post stats on this site but bottom line is that Orton isn't afraid to throw the ball.

[Pinkerton Security]

About the only thing EJ did better was not get sacked, but the discrepancy doesnt nearly make up for the differences in the major statistical categories Orton dominates EJ in.

[bdutton]

​

Player Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate


Kyle Orton 95 141 67.4 35.2 1,128 8.0 282.0 9 3 54 38.3 84 17 3 17 104.0

EJ Manuel 76 131 58.0 32.8 838 6.4 209.5 5 3 39 29.8 80T 13 1 6 80.3




A little easier to read.

[HHURRICANE]

​

Player Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate


Kyle Orton 95 141 67.4 35.2 1,128 8.0 282.0 9 3 54 38.3 84 17 3 17 104.0

EJ Manuel 76 131 58.0 32.8 838 6.4 209.5 5 3 39 29.8 80T 13 1 6 80.3




A little easier to read.
Thank you!!!

[Lucidvizion]

<table>
<tr>
<td>Player</td> <td>Comp</td> <td>Att</td> <td>Pct</td> <td>Att/G</td> <td>Yds</td> <td>Avg</td> <td>Yds/G</td> <td>TD</td> <td>Int</td> <td>1st</td> <td>1s%</td> <td>Lng</td> <td>20+</td> <td>40+</td> <td>Sck</td> <td>Rat</td>e
</tr>
<tr>
<td>Kyle Orton</td> <td>95</td> <td>141</td> <td>67.4</td> <td>35.2</td> <td>1,128</td> <td>8.0</td> <td>282.0</td> <td>9</td> <td>3</td> <td>54</td> <td>38.3</td> <td>84</td> <td>17</td> <td>3</td> <td>17</td> <td>104.0</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>EJ Manuel</td> <td>76</td> <td>131</td> <td>58.0</td> <td>32.8</td> <td>838</td> <td>6.4</td> <td>209.5</td> <td>5</td> <td>3</td> <td>39</td> <td>29.8</td> <td>80T</td> <td>13</td> <td>1</td> <td>6</td> <td>80.3</td>
</tr>
</table>

[elltrain22]

Orton is 3-1. That is the only stat I care about.

[imbondz]

Orton's been sacked 17 times in 4 games? that sucks.



Yards / game is awesome. Overall great stats. I can handle less than 1 INT per game.

[WagonCircler]

Passes of 40+ yards: Orton 17 Manuel3.

When Sammy wins Rookie of the Year, he should buy Orton a car.

[Forward_Lateral]

Orton's only flaw, so far, is that he's as mobile as a brick. He holds the ball too long at times, trying to make plays down field. Hopefully he can get the ball out of his hands a bit quicker so he doesn't get killed and we are forced to watch EJ again.

[imbondz]

Orton's only flaw, so far, is that he's as mobile as a brick. He holds the ball too long at times, trying to make plays down field. Hopefully he can get the ball out of his hands a bit quicker so he doesn't get killed and we are forced to watch EJ again.

I don't care that he's not mobile, but yes Im hoping as he plays more games he gets quicker with the decision making. and if our OL could step it up and give him a split second or two more time

[better days]

Well, I would like to see Orton continue to play well & even improve on his past performance & continue to win games for the Bills.

I also hope EJ learns & develops watching Orton do that.

[djjimkelly]

i dont understand everyones deseire to prove something everyone can see?

shouldnt we all pray EJ turns into something while orton is playing well?

dead horse issue

[YardRat]

Passes of 40+ yards: Orton 17 Manuel3.

When Sammy wins Rookie of the Year, he should buy Orton a car.

You might want to re-read the easier chart.

The thing that took me by surprise, in all honesty, was that Orton only has 6 more completions over 20 yards than EJ, I would have expected the discrepancy to be larger. It probably is, in the 10-20 yard range.

[gebobs]

The thing that took me by surprise, in all honesty, was that Orton only has 6 more completions over 20 yards than EJ, I would have expected the discrepancy to be larger.
Another way to look at it, that's 42% better.

[better days]

Orton is 3-1. That is the only stat I care about.

Well, 4-2 looks much better than 3-2.

GO Bills, let's get a win against those Chiefs in a fired up Ralph.

[YardRat]

Another way to look at it, that's 42% better.

1.5 per game...on 19 more completions. 21% of completions for Orton, 18.4% for EJ...only a 2.6% difference. Amazing how numbers can be manipulated, isn't it? Of course, you being a global warmer, it isn't surprising you would cherry-pick for maximum effect :D

[Goobylal]

How about comparing their first 14 starts? Because Orton has 8 years in the NFL on EJ.

Now don't get me wrong. With the defense, ST's, and skill positions players, going with Orton is the right move given Hackett is a chump and Orton has the experience to be the de facto OC. But having been in the NFL for almost a decade more makes it unfair to compare their seasons this year.

[Ingtar33]

You might want to re-read the easier chart.

The thing that took me by surprise, in all honesty, was that Orton only has 6 more completions over 20 yards than EJ, I would have expected the discrepancy to be larger. It probably is, in the 10-20 yard range.

Here you go

Orton
<1 yard - 76% completions - 3.7 y average/attempt - 0TD 0INT (out of 30 attempts)
1-10 yards - 69.4% completions - 6.19y average/attempt - 4TD 1INT (out of 62 attempts)
11-20 yards - 64.7% completions - 11y average/attempt - 3TD 2INT (out of 34 attempts)
21-30 yards - 62.5% completions - 16y average/attempt - 2TD 0INT (out of 8 attempts)
31-40 yards - 40.0% completions - 25.2y average/attempt - 0TDS 0INTS (out of 5 attempts)
>40 yards - 0% completions - 0y average/attempt - 0TDS 0INTS (out of 2 attempts)

EJ
>1 yard - 88.9% completions - 5.5y average/attempt - 2TD 1INT (out of 36 attempts)
1-10 yards - 56.4% completions - 5.4y average/attempt - 2TD 0INT (out of 55 attempts)
11-20 yards - 37% completions - 7.8y average/attempt - 0TD 1INT (out of 27 attempts)
21-30 yards - 20% completions - 5y average/attempt - 0TD 1INT (out of 10 attempts)
31-40 yards - 0% completions - 0y average/attempt - 0TDS 0INTS (out of 1 attempt)
>40 yards - 50% completions - 40y average/attempt - 1TDS 0INTS (out of 2 attempts)

[gebobs]

1.5 per game...on 19 more completions. 21% of completions for Orton, 18.4% for EJ...only a 2.6% difference. Amazing how numbers can be manipulated, isn't it? Of course, you being a global warmer, it isn't surprising you would cherry-pick for maximum effect :D
And if you divide it by seconds on the field, the difference is practically nothing! 0.085%!

[gebobs]

Orton
>40 yards - 0% completions - 0y average/attempt - 0TDS 0INTS (out of 2 attempts)


I saw this and was like whaaaaa? Didn't we just see him toss that bomb to Sammy Watjets? I looked at it again and the LOS was the 10 and he caught it at the 45, so 35 or so. It was over 40 from where Orton launched it though.

Note that Orton leads just about every stat until you get down to the smallest sample. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if EJ could throw farther. He's still a young guy.

[Ingtar33]

I saw this and was like whaaaaa? Didn't we just see him toss that bomb to Sammy Watjets? I looked at it again and the LOS was the 10 and he caught it at the 45, so 35 or so. It was over 40 from where Orton launched it though.

Note that Orton leads just about every stat until you get down to the smallest sample. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if EJ could throw farther. He's still a young guy.

I thought the most telling part of those numbers were the fact that Orton completes pretty much 2/3 passes as long as it's <30 yards down field. where as EJ only breaks 60% on passes behind the line of scrimmage. his completion percentage on anything more then 5 yards from the line of scrimmage is abysmal, and at such a low percentage it's unsustainable. Where as orton is making plays all over the field.

[mightysimi]

I don't mind that he takes sacks looking for a play down field. Other than the injury risk. With Orton in, I never feel like 2nd and 15 is unreachable. Ej was a different story. If Spiller lost a yard on 1st down I was prepared for a punt.

[trapezeus]

Orton's only flaw, so far, is that he's as mobile as a brick. He holds the ball too long at times, trying to make plays down field. Hopefully he can get the ball out of his hands a bit quicker so he doesn't get killed and we are forced to watch EJ again.

on the flip side, he isn't throwing INT's more often because of it. if the play isnt there, he takes the sack.

i am curious that in the come from behind games, he seems more comfortable calling hte plays himself and has the team in a better position. in games that he is following the orderes, it becomes very hackett and predictable.

should they be giving him more responsibility on play calling.

[better days]

on the flip side, he isn't throwing INT's more often because of it. if the play isnt there, he takes the sack.

i am curious that in the come from behind games, he seems more comfortable calling hte plays himself and has the team in a better position. in games that he is following the orderes, it becomes very hackett and predictable.

should they be giving him more responsibility on play calling.

Orton seems to be improving with each game he plays.

0 INT's against the Jets.

[HHURRICANE]

I know stats don't always tell the entire story....

But if you consider that EJ has had two years, two camps, and an entire 2014 pre-season, where Orton showed up before the season opener, I think Orton's play is pretty remarkable.