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  • HHURRICANE
    Registered User
    • Mar 2005
    • 15490

    I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

    I read today that Clowney's career may be over. His knee may not actually get repaired to where he'll play or at any level of a first rounder.

    This essentially makes Watkins the number 1 pick in the draft.

    Now I know many will argue that it was deep WR class, etc., etc. but nobody's crystal ball is that good and it's rare that you get the first pick in any draft and they pan out. Bruce's Smith's first year he had 6.5 sacks and wasn't that spectacular. We know what happened after that.

    Watkins is going to be great. A rookie receiver with a 1,000 yards is pretty impressive (hopefully he gets there) and with subpar QB play. Wait til next year.

    The Bills have had many bad drafts but the last few have been very good. At least two thrids of the teams are still looking for a franchise QBs. I don't hate the trade up. Hopefully we'll get lucky with a QB in a later round or something will come our way.
  • Joe Fo Sho
    Making Spirits Bright
    • Mar 2006
    • 6194

    #2
    Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

    Originally posted by HHURRICANE View Post
    I read today that Clowney's career may be over. His knee may not actually get repaired to where he'll play or at any level of a first rounder.
    This doesn't really have anything to do with the Bills.


    Originally posted by HHURRICANE View Post
    This essentially makes Watkins the number 1 pick in the draft.
    How so? Bortles and Robinson don't count somehow?


    Originally posted by HHURRICANE View Post
    Now I know many will argue that it was deep WR class, etc., etc. but nobody's crystal ball is that good and it's rare that you get the first pick in any draft and they pan out. Bruce's Smith's first year he had 6.5 sacks and wasn't that spectacular. We know what happened after that.

    Watkins is going to be great. A rookie receiver with a 1,000 yards is pretty impressive (hopefully he gets there) and with subpar QB play. Wait til next year.
    So you say that Bruce started slow, and that doesn't mean anything because he turned out good. Then you say that Watkins is going to be great because of his good start. So Watkins' start matters but Bruce's doesn't? Is this just to prove your argument? Couldn't you argue that his start might not be deterministic of his future?


    Originally posted by HHURRICANE View Post
    The Bills have had many bad drafts but the last few have been very good. At least two thrids of the teams are still looking for a franchise QBs. I don't hate the trade up. Hopefully we'll get lucky with a QB in a later round or something will come our way.
    I do hate the trade up. The Bills could be sitting here with Evans/Beckham/Benjamin AND Stevie Johnson AND an extra 4th and 1st rounder. Instead we have Sammy. It's impossible for the guy to live up to that trade, unless the Bills start winning consistently and people forget about it. If we keep missing the playoffs, that trade will be scrutinized heavily and with good reason.

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    • HHURRICANE
      Registered User
      • Mar 2005
      • 15490

      #3
      Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

      Wow....that was a lot of analysis.

      You took my assumptions and made assumptions.....

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      • OpIv37
        Acid Douching Asswipe
        • Sep 2002
        • 101303

        #4
        Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

        You do know that Bruce was 300 lbs his first year right?

        One of the reasons he improved dramatically is because he lost almost 30 pounds during the off-season and committed himself to being in peak shape. After the first season he played at 270-275 and was only 5% body fat.

        Watkins is already in great shape.
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        • HHURRICANE
          Registered User
          • Mar 2005
          • 15490

          #5
          Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

          My comment was to say that we got a first round, first rate talent. What if we traded up to get Clowney?

          Watkins is looking like a good pick even for what we gave up.

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          • The King
            Without me it's just Awe so
            • Jun 2004
            • 42380

            #6
            Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

            Calvin Johnson didn't break 1,000 yards in his first year, Neither did Larry Fitzgerald.
            I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
            "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
            You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
            It was all
            true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
            He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
            mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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            • Joe Fo Sho
              Making Spirits Bright
              • Mar 2006
              • 6194

              #7
              Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

              Originally posted by HHURRICANE View Post
              Watkins is looking like a good pick even for what we gave up.
              That is a very subjective statement and could easily be argued the other way.

              I'm not denying Watkins being a good player, everything he's shown so far would indicate he's going to be very good. I just think his cost was too high.

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              • Joe Fo Sho
                Making Spirits Bright
                • Mar 2006
                • 6194

                #8
                Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                Originally posted by The King View Post
                Calvin Johnson didn't break 1,000 yards in his first year, Neither did Larry Fitzgerald.
                Michael Clayton did.

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                • Pinkerton Security
                  Pinkerton's son
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 6003

                  #9
                  Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                  OK so moral of the story - Joe Fo Sho hates the Watkins trade. We get it. Shut up.

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                  • Joe Fo Sho
                    Making Spirits Bright
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 6194

                    #10
                    Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                    Originally posted by NaturalBornSpiller View Post
                    OK so moral of the story - Joe Fo Sho hates the Watkins trade. We get it. Shut up.
                    Don't make me sic Shamsky on your ass.

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                    • The King
                      Without me it's just Awe so
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 42380

                      #11
                      Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                      Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
                      Michael Clayton did.
                      I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
                      "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
                      You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
                      It was all
                      true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
                      He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
                      mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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                      • TacklingDummy
                        Unreachable Douche
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 71725

                        #12
                        Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                        Originally posted by HHURRICANE View Post
                        I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....
                        So you rather have Watkins and no 1st or 4th rounder next year over...

                        Having next years 1st and 4th rounder
                        And one of the following...

                        Mike Evans, WR
                        Jarvis Landry WR, Miami Dolphins
                        Kelvin Benjamin WR, Carolina Panthers
                        Odell Beckham Jr. New York Giants
                        Jordan Matthews WR, Philadelphia Eagles
                        Brandin Cooks WR, New Orleans Saints
                        Allen Robinson WR, Jacksonville Jaguars
                        Allen Hurns WR, Jacksonville Jaguars
                        John Brown WR, Arizona Cardinals
                        Martavis Bryant, Steelers

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                        • Bill Cody
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 11915

                          #13
                          Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                          Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
                          It's impossible for the guy to live up to that trade, unless the Bills start winning consistently and people forget about it.
                          Maybe if you're a douche it is. 1st rounders bust all the time and the Bills are amazing at drafting busts. Can't we just be happy that for once we drafted a good player? Or are you telling me that if we had say the 20th pick in the draft next year we'd be a stone cold lock for the Bowl? Get serious.

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                          • YardRat
                            Well, lookie here...
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 86282

                            #14
                            Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                            Get over it, it's done.
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                            • HHURRICANE
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 15490

                              #15
                              Re: I'm going to defend the Watkins trade now....

                              Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                              You do know that Bruce was 300 lbs his first year right?

                              One of the reasons he improved dramatically is because he lost almost 30 pounds during the off-season and committed himself to being in peak shape. After the first season he played at 270-275 and was only 5% body fat.

                              Watkins is already in great shape.
                              Op I'm 48. Yes I know the entire story. Bruce Smith and Jim Kelly have both been in my house.

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