Buffalo News list trading for Sammy 16th worst mistake by Buffalo Sports team

[DesertFox24]

I cannot disagree with this decision to post this article enough. They claim Sammy is a great player with loads of potential but for a QB starved team they gave up a first rounder and cannot get one. Ok I will grant that maybe at the time of the draft this was a valid argument, but considering we are 8-6 and 8-8 at worst we will at worst be picking 16th???? There are no QBs that will last that far and no way any team in the top 5 trades down to 16 in this draft considering it is thought of to be weak compared to last years draft. Now we can argue the merits of Beckham and Evans and Benjamin but at this point neither rookie WR has proved to be consistent for multiple seasons. There have been several WRs to light it up year 1 to only fade away into oblivion.

[trapezeus]

watkins age, injuries, and lack of QB (regardless of who they put in), gives me hope that he will improve. i hear you though, he could go south, but the kid seems to have a work ethic, he makes good catches when passes are poorly thrown. it makes me believe he has more to offer than less.

i thought at the time it was a risky pick and too much to be given up. but it's nice to not completely blow a first round choice. and if it meant giving one up, it's ok.

the team really is built to win right now. no rookie qb is going to save this team. I could be wrong. they need to really scour the vets and see who is the best fit for what they plan to run next year. Foles/sanchez seems like the quickest fix. if it goes bad, the defense will be close to aging out and worth rebuilding all over again.

[WagonCircler]

Now we can argue the merits of Beckham and Evans and Benjamin but at this point neither rookie WR has proved to be consistent for multiple seasons. There have been several WRs to light it up year 1 to only fade away into oblivion.

Is it really lost on you that the same could be said for Sammy?

Wow.

Just.

Wow.

[streetkings01]

I cannot disagree with this decision to post this article enough. They claim Sammy is a great player with loads of potential but for a QB starved team they gave up a first rounder and cannot get one. Ok I will grant that maybe at the time of the draft this was a valid argument, but considering we are 8-6 and 8-8 at worst we will at worst be picking 16th???? There are no QBs that will last that far and no way any team in the top 5 trades down to 16 in this draft considering it is thought of to be weak compared to last years draft. Now we can argue the merits of Beckham and Evans and Benjamin but at this point neither rookie WR has proved to be consistent for multiple seasons. There have been several WRs to light it up year 1 to only fade away into oblivion.Michael Clayton - 80rec 1193yds 7td his rookie year.......next 7 seasons - 143rec 1762yds 3td

Calvin Johnson - 48rec 756yds 4td his rookie year......next 7 seasons - 585rec 9507yds 68td

Bottom line.......year#1 means nothing in the NFL when it comes to WRs.

[Joe Fo Sho]

As it stands right now, they overpaid for what appears to be a very good player.

If you argue that statement, you're fooling yourself. You can argue hindsight all you want, but there's no way you can tell me we didn't overpay. This team would be better with Beckham/Evans/Benjamin and our 1st and 4th pick next year.

You know who might be available in the 1st round when we would've had a draft pick next year? A decent friggin' guard.

[YardRat]

As it stands right now, they overpaid for what appears to be a very good player.

If you argue that statement, you're fooling yourself. You can argue hindsight all you want, but there's no way you can tell me we didn't overpay. This team would be better with Beckham/Evans/Benjamin and our 1st and 4th pick next year.

You know who might be available in the 1st round when we would've had a draft pick next year? A decent friggin' guard.

They will be able to get one of the top guards, maybe even the #1 center, where they are right now.

[k-oneputt]

Eric Moulds.

The genius people wanted him out of here after the first couple of years.

Sticking with the current team, wanted out, Dareus, Mario, Gilmore......

[k-oneputt]

Wait, how can I forget Aaron Williams. He's another wanted gone.

currently we are on Kujo, and Henderson

[JohnnyGold]

watkins age, injuries, and lack of QB (regardless of who they put in), gives me hope that he will improve. i hear you though, he could go south, but the kid seems to have a work ethic, he makes good catches when passes are poorly thrown. it makes me believe he has more to offer than less.

i thought at the time it was a risky pick and too much to be given up. but it's nice to not completely blow a first round choice. and if it meant giving one up, it's ok.

the team really is built to win right now. no rookie qb is going to save this team. I could be wrong. they need to really scour the vets and see who is the best fit for what they plan to run next year. Foles/sanchez seems like the quickest fix. if it goes bad, the defense will be close to aging out and worth rebuilding all over again.


whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

aside from mario and kyle, they are young all over.

[The Jokeman]

I cannot disagree with this decision to post this article enough. They claim Sammy is a great player with loads of potential but for a QB starved team they gave up a first rounder and cannot get one. Ok I will grant that maybe at the time of the draft this was a valid argument, but considering we are 8-6 and 8-8 at worst we will at worst be picking 16th???? There are no QBs that will last that far and no way any team in the top 5 trades down to 16 in this draft considering it is thought of to be weak compared to last years draft. Now we can argue the merits of Beckham and Evans and Benjamin but at this point neither rookie WR has proved to be consistent for multiple seasons. There have been several WRs to light it up year 1 to only fade away into oblivion.

I'd agree with you if we traded for Sammy and missed out the chance to draft the next Luck it was a horrible move but quite frankly none of the QBs in the draft grade out that well. It's been well documented that Kiper doesn't think Mariota is a franchise QB. The best QB arguably in the draft is Winston but with the new NFL conduct policy he is a major risk pick and doubt he'd fall to pick 17 where we'd be drafting as things today. That equate to losing out on WR Kevin White according to http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/all infact if look over that list you could debate that none of the guys around pick 17 paired with say Beckham or Benjamin would do a lot to significantly improve the team next year but could make the arguement if lost Hughes, Dupree wouldn't be a bad replacement. As it's also ironic but the News is reporting Sammy hasn't lived up to his draft billing as a top 4 pick which is true people over tend to over value the rate of return of rookies in their first year. Here's a list of guys taken 17th overall in the last 10 drafts and quite frankly of all them I can only find one that be a difference maker if they were on the Bills squad as a rookie. What say you?

1 17 17 C.J. Mosley Ravens LB Alabama
1 17 17 Jarvis Jones Steelers LB Georgia
1 17 17 Dre Kirkpatrick Bengals DB Alabama
1 17 17 Nate Solder Patriots T Colorado
1 17 17 Mike Iupati 49ers G Idaho
1 17 17 Josh Freeman Buccaneers QB Kansas State
1 17 17 Gosder Cherilus Lions T Boston College
1 17 17 Jarvis Moss Broncos DE Florida
1 17 17 David Pollack Bengals DE Georgia
1 17 17 D.J. Williams Broncos LB Miami (FL)

[OpIv37]

It was a huge risk and I think they overpaid for him but the 16th worst? It's way too soon to make that call.

More importantly, his team has made some epic bad moves. Off the top of my head:

1. Drafting Mike Williams
2. Letting Polian go
3. Drafting JP Losman
4. Trading for Drew Bledsoe (not only did he fail but the picks helped the Pats kick our ass for over a decade)
5. Bills in Toronto series
6. Aaron Maybin
7. Letting Antowain Winfield walk
8. Letting Pat Williams walk.
9. Letting London Fletcher walk.
10. Trading up for McCargo
11. Willis McGahee
12. Trading Lynch
13. Jauron
14. Kevin Gilbride
15. Gailey
16. Hiring Levy as GM
17. Russ Brandon (this probably should be #1)

That's 17 worse moves from the Bills from the last 14 years alone that are worse than Watkins. And that's not counting the Sabres, Bisons, or any other team.

[The Jokeman]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

aside from mario and kyle, they are young all over.

Update it turns out we'd be pick #20 http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24893415/updated-2015-nfl-draft-order-week-15. That equate to losing out on WR Jaelen Strong according to http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2015/all infact if look over that list you could debate that none of the guys around pick 20 paired with say Beckham or Benjamin would do a lot to significantly improve the team next year but could make the arguement if lost Hughes, Dupree who ranks the 18th best guy so he's within our pick range wouldn't be a bad replacement. Yet he's some recent pick 20s and I've bolded who I'd want if the draft were held today.


1 20 20 Brandin Cooks Saints WR Oregon State
1 20 20 Kyle Long Bears G Oregon
1 20 20 Kendall Wright Titans WR Baylor
1 20 20 Adrian Clayborn Buccaneers DE Iowa
1 20 20 Kareem Jackson Texans DB Alabama
1 20 20 Brandon Pettigrew Lions TE Oklahoma State
1 20 20 Aqib Talib Buccaneers DB Kansas
1 20 20 Aaron Ross Giants DB Texas
1 20 20 Tamba Hali Chiefs DE Penn State
1 20 20 Marcus Spears Cowboys DE Louisiana State
1 20 20 Kenechi Udeze Vikings DE USC

[The Jokeman]

It was a huge risk and I think they overpaid for him but the 16th worst? It's way too soon to make that call.

More importantly, his team has made some epic bad moves. Off the top of my head:

1. Drafting Mike Williams
2. Letting Polian go
3. Drafting JP Losman
4. Trading for Drew Bledsoe (not only did he fail but the picks helped the Pats kick our ass for over a decade)
5. Bills in Toronto series
6. Aaron Maybin
7. Letting Antowain Winfield walk
8. Letting Pat Williams walk.
9. Letting London Fletcher walk.
10. Trading up for McCargo
11. Willis McGahee
12. Trading Lynch
13. Jauron
14. Kevin Gilbride
15. Gailey
16. Hiring Levy as GM
17. Russ Brandon (this probably should be #1)

That's 17 worse moves from the Bills from the last 14 years alone that are worse than Watkins. And that's not counting the Sabres, Bisons, or any other team.
You think Mike Williams was a bigger bust than Al Cowlings?

[YardRat]

I don't think the Toronto series was a mistake, without it they probably wouldn't have had the cash to sign some of the FA's, or re-sign some of their own.

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You think Mike Williams was a bigger bust than Al Cowlings?

He was specific re:the last 14 years.

[The Jokeman]

I don't think the Toronto series was a mistake, without it they probably wouldn't have had the cash to sign some of the FA's, or re-sign some of their own.

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He was specific re:the last 14 years.

I didn't read the article but I agree with you the Sammy trade not even close.

[jdbillsfan]

As it stands right now, they overpaid for what appears to be a very good player.

If you argue that statement, you're fooling yourself. You can argue hindsight all you want, but there's no way you can tell me we didn't overpay. This team would be better with Beckham/Evans/Benjamin and our 1st and 4th pick next year.

You know who might be available in the 1st round when we would've had a draft pick next year? A decent friggin' guard.

Evans wouldn't have been available.

[yordad]

Didn't the guy just break Bills Wr rookie records w horrible oline and qb play? Sheeeh.

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W games to spare.

[BillsImpossible]

The Bills gave up no more than the 19th pick in the 2015 NFL draft for Sammy Watkins.

Bills win.

[OpIv37]

You think Mike Williams was a bigger bust than Al Cowlings?

Al Cowlings stopped playing football the year I was born. He's older than my dad. So, I have no friggin idea.

[BillsImpossible]

As it stands right now, they overpaid for what appears to be a very good player.

If you argue that statement, you're fooling yourself. You can argue hindsight all you want, but there's no way you can tell me we didn't overpay. This team would be better with Beckham/Evans/Benjamin and our 1st and 4th pick next year.

You know who might be available in the 1st round when we would've had a draft pick next year? A decent friggin' guard.

It's not hard to find a decent guard in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

Is the 19th pick (at best) in the 2015 NFL draft overpaying for Sammy Watkins?

I don't think so.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

You think Mike Williams was a bigger bust than Al Cowlings?

Eh.. O.J would disagree

[Meathead]

quite frankly, i think it might be a mistake not to continue the toronto series. once terry decides he no longer wants (or cant) bankroll the bills indefinitely he will realize they need luxury suite money that simply doesnt exist in enough quantity in blo. i predict in five years tops the bills will roll out more games in hoserland, hopefully without the total crap product and rip off pricing that doomed the initial attempt in the first place

[Meathead]

and even tho i like sammy a lot and am glad hes here, i still wish they hadnt traded the first for him. id rather have one of the other super wrs from this draft AND that #20-ish pick. but its not like the bills cant recover from that mistake, they can. the draft is so hit and miss it wont take much for them to end up just about where they would have. and sammy still might turn out to be the best of this crop and end up justifying his cost anyway

[Historian]

No link? I would like to see this list.

#1 would have to be letting Drury and Briere walk IMO.

Worse than anything the Bills have done (and that's really saying something!)

[Night Train]

Letting Chuck Knox walk and trading Lamonica should be up there... but that list proves sports didn't exist until 20 years ago. :rolleyes:

[Joe Fo Sho]

It's not hard to find a decent guard in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

It's probably more likely to find a better one in the 1st round though, right?



Is the 19th pick (at best) in the 2015 NFL draft overpaying for Sammy Watkins?

Yes. I already said that, it was actually the basis of my argument.

[Joe Fo Sho]

They will be able to get one of the top guards, maybe even the #1 center, where they are right now.

You might be right, I don't follow college as much as most so I can't disagree.

But wouldn't it be sweet then to get a top guard in the second...and a top TE in the 1st? Or maybe even 2 top interior offensive lineman? Yeah man, that would be pretty cool.

[pmoon6]

Pfft. It's just like the negative Nancy's and dumbass sportwriters to judge a player after his rookie season and a trade before we see it's ramifications. Many thought that the Vikings got their last piece to the Super Bowl puzzle when they made the Herschal Walker trade. How did that work out historically? Many thought the Cowboys were stupid for trading multiple picks to Seattle for Tony Dorsett. You can go on and on. You can backseat drive any trade or move, but you really don't know for quite a few years.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

Pfft. It's just like the negative Nancy's and dumbass sportwriters to judge a player after his rookie season and a trade before we see it's ramifications. Many thought that the Vikings got their last piece to the Super Bowl puzzle when they made the Herschal Walker trade. How did that work out historically? Many thought the Cowboys were stupid for trading multiple picks to Seattle for Tony Dorsett. You can go on and on. You can backseat drive any trade or move, but you really don't know for quite a few years.


well, we knew almost immediately about the jerry hughes/kelvin sheppard trade.:xtreme:

[Typ0]

Well it may have been a super intelligent move for the QB position too ... because actually picking a good QB is a very difficult chore. There are no guarantees. I have seen Watkins, in several occasions, throw his hand up in the air and catch the damn ball just because it was thrown in his vicinity. Considering the QB play we get this may have been the best QB move in the history of the franchise.

[pmoon6]

well, we knew almost immediately about the jerry hughes/kelvin sheppard trade.:xtreme:You go Boooyyy!!!!!!

[Joe Fo Sho]

Pfft. It's just like the negative Nancy's and dumbass sportwriters to judge a player after his rookie season and a trade before we see it's ramifications. Many thought that the Vikings got their last piece to the Super Bowl puzzle when they made the Herschal Walker trade. How did that work out historically? Many thought the Cowboys were stupid for trading multiple picks to Seattle for Tony Dorsett. You can go on and on. You can backseat drive any trade or move, but you really don't know for quite a few years.

Nobody is judging Sammy. I think the overwhelming consensus is that he's a very good football player. The argument is the cost to obtain him. We paid a lot for what turned out to be a saturated market for rookie wide outs. There is absolutely a chance for this trade to prove it's worth in the future, but right now it's hard to say that we didn't overpay.

[trapezeus]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

aside from mario and kyle, they are young all over.

i think those two really help though. they are part of the reason they get to the qb with 4 guys. to have 4 probowl lineman is a lot to ask.

[The Jokeman]

Al Cowlings stopped playing football the year I was born. He's older than my dad. So, I have no friggin idea.

I was born in '77 but judging from his stats and being he wasn't here long is indication to me he was a major bust considering we took him 5th overall. Not to mention see that other DTs taken after him made the Pro Bowl etc.

[Novacane]

Slow news day?

[pmoon6]

Nobody is judging Sammy. I think the overwhelming consensus is that he's a very good football player. The argument is the cost to obtain him. We paid a lot for what turned out to be a saturated market for rookie wide outs. There is absolutely a chance for this trade to prove it's worth in the future, but right now it's hard to say that we didn't overpay.Jesus, that's the ****ing point. There is no way you can possibly know that unless you have a working crystal ball.

Another Bills' Fan that has a problem with concepts.

[BidsJr]

Letting Chuck Knox walk and trading Lamonica should be up there... but that list proves sports didn't exist until 20 years ago. :rolleyes:

Yea no kidding.

Rob Johnson trade anyone?

[DesertFox24]

Is it really lost on you that the same could be said for Sammy?

Wow.

Just.

Wow.

No it is not and that is my point, if Sammy bust then yes it was a mistake but Sammy becomes the next Jerry Rice then in my opinion it becomes one of the best moves.

[better days]

As it stands right now, they overpaid for what appears to be a very good player.

If you argue that statement, you're fooling yourself. You can argue hindsight all you want, but there's no way you can tell me we didn't overpay. This team would be better with Beckham/Evans/Benjamin and our 1st and 4th pick next year.

You know who might be available in the 1st round when we would've had a draft pick next year? A decent friggin' guard.

Evans would not have been available to the Bills to be drafted. The Bucs drafted before Bills pick.

[better days]

I was born in '77 but judging from his stats and being he wasn't here long is indication to me he was a major bust considering we took him 5th overall. Not to mention see that other DTs taken after him made the Pro Bowl etc.

Cowlings was a HUGE bust.

[DesertFox24]

You might be right, I don't follow college as much as most so I can't disagree.

But wouldn't it be sweet then to get a top guard in the second...and a top TE in the 1st? Or maybe even 2 top interior offensive lineman? Yeah man, that would be pretty cool.
Would it not be sweet to have potentially the best WR in the game, what a difference that would make to the other skill position players. You can skin a cat many different ways. Bottom line this whole thread was talking about how ludicrous it was to put Watkins trade as the 16th worst move by a buffalo sports team in the entire history of buffalo sports teams when we have no idea how good Watkins or the other first round WRs will be when all is said and done. Especially considering there whole argument was on the fact we needed a qb and this draft has no qbs worthy this year, or would we have a chance to draft.

[pmoon6]

Cowlings was a HUGE bust.Patulski even bigger.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Jesus, that's the ****ing point.

Please, call me Joe.



There is no way you can possibly know that unless you have a working crystal ball.

No s***, maybe I was agreeing with you.




Another Bills' Fan that has a problem with concepts.

Ouch. You should try to relax, old man. Grab an Ensure and maybe a quick nap.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Evans would not have been available to the Bills to be drafted. The Bucs drafted before Bills pick.

Maybe they would've taken Sammy.

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

i'm honestly shocked the browns traded that pick. i thought sammy was perfect for them, especially seeing that josh gordon was (at that time anyway) gonna be out for the season.

[better days]

Maybe they would've taken Sammy.


Maybe so, if he would have been available for the Bucs to draft him.

I think most likely both Sammy & Mike would have been gone when the Bills drafted.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Maybe so, if he would have been available for the Bucs to draft him.

I think most likely both Sammy & Mike would have been gone when the Bills drafted.

The only way I would see that happening is if Sammy went to the Brown. The Falcons aren't taking Sammy, and I think the Raiders really wanted Mack. If the Browns didn't take Sammy, then either Sammy or Evans would've lasted until our pick. Plus, if the Bucs were enamored with Evans, then Sammy would've lasted until 8. I know it's ridiculous to think about, but stranger things have happened.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Would it not be sweet to have potentially the best WR in the game, what a difference that would make to the other skill position players.

Yeah, having Beckham would be cool.

[WagonCircler]

quite frankly, i think it might be a mistake not to continue the toronto series. once terry decides he no longer wants (or cant) bankroll the bills indefinitely he will realize they need luxury suite money that simply doesnt exist in enough quantity in blo. i predict in five years tops the bills will roll out more games in hoserland, hopefully without the total crap product and rip off pricing that doomed the initial attempt in the first place

I don't think you understand a few things (well, thousands of things, but I digress). The NFL is an insanely profitable business. The TV contract revenue alone makes losing money impossible. And Pegula has a ridiculous amount of money. This is is hobby AND his business now. If he spends money on things, those things just make him more money.

Selling home games is disgraceful and is a black mark on Ralph's legacy. A total embarrassment. Terry won't make that same mistake. He doesn't have to.

[Historian]

Cowlings was a HUGE bust.

Cowlings
Patulski
Ruud and Nelson
Dokes
Cousineau
Booker Moore
Tuttle
Collins
Flowers
JD Williams

****, we could do a whole FORUM on Bills high level draft busts!

[WagonCircler]

Pfft. It's just like the negative Nancy's and dumbass sportwriters to judge a player after his rookie season and a trade before we see it's ramifications. Many thought that the Vikings got their last piece to the Super Bowl puzzle when they made the Herschal Walker trade. How did that work out historically? Many thought the Cowboys were stupid for trading multiple picks to Seattle for Tony Dorsett. You can go on and on. You can backseat drive any trade or move, but you really don't know for quite a few years.

Moonie, you could also look at it the opposite way. The Cowboys turned Herschel Walker into many pieces that DID get them numerous Super Bowls. The equation came out, at the end of the day, Vikings net one pretty good player, Dallas nets several great players and championships by fleecing the Vikings of multiple draft choices and spending them wisely.

Sammy is Herschel Walker in this scenario, and the Bills are the suckers, errr Vikings.

[pmoon6]

Cowlings
Patulski
Ruud and Nelson
Dokes
Cousineau
Booker Moore
Tuttle
Collins
Flowers
JD Williams

****, we could do a whole FORUM on Bills high level draft busts!You forgot Tony Hunter and Cousineau may be considered a bust, but the Bills' FO ****ed up even signing him. However, I believe the pick we got allowed us to draft Jim Kelly.

[pmoon6]

Moonie, you could also look at it the opposite way. The Cowboys turned Herschel Walker into many pieces that DID get them numerous Super Bowls. The equation came out, at the end of the day, Vikings net one pretty good player, Dallas nets several great players and championships by fleecing the Vikings of multiple draft choices and spending them wisely.

Sammy is Herschel Walker in this scenario, and the Bills are the suckers, errr Vikings.The point is we are looking at the Walker trade in hindsight. NFL sportwriters and the entire City Of Dallas thought it was a bad move.

Now, we have the same kind of people saying we ****ed up when the guy only has played 13 games.

I guess it's so some can say "I told you so" and pump their chest or in JoFo's case, play with his little winkie.

[pmoon6]

Ouch. You should try to relax, old man. Grab an Ensure and maybe a quick nap.Still young enough to whip yo ass, Son.

[better days]

You forgot Tony Hunter and Cousineau may be considered a bust, but the Bills' FO ****ed up even signing him. However, I believe the pick we got allowed us to draft Jim Kelly.

Yeah, the pick the Bills got from the Browns for Cousineau was used to draft Jim Kelly.

Worked out pretty well after all for the Bills.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Still young enough to whip yo ass, Son.

Ha, the next thing you're going to tell me is that your dick still works, too.

[pmoon6]

Ha, the next thing you're going to tell me is that your dick still works, too.Well, I won't go that far.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I guess it's so some can say "I told you so" and pump their chest or in JoFo's case, play with his little winkie.

Oh I'm sorry, is it your turn to play with it?

[pmoon6]

Oh I'm sorry, is it your turn to play with it?Oooooh. What wit.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Oooooh. What wit.

I know, right?

It's almost as original as "I'll still whoop your ass, Son" argument on the internet.

[WagonCircler]

The point is we are looking at the Walker trade in hindsight. NFL sportwriters and the entire City Of Dallas thought it was a bad move.

Now, we have the same kind of people saying we ****ed up when the guy only has played 13 games.

I guess it's so some can say "I told you so" and pump their chest or in JoFo's case, play with his little winkie.

No, they didn't. I lived in Dallas when that happened. The Cowboys were God awful. People were looking forward to a rebuild and shocked than any team would give up that many picks. This was an INSANE deal:

Players/Draft Picks Received by the Minnesota Vikings
RB Herschel Walker
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1990 (54) (Mike Jones)
San Diego's 5th round pick - 1990 (116) (Reggie Thornton)
Dallas's 10th round pick - 1990 (249) (Pat Newman)
Dallas's 3rd round pick - 1991 (68) (Jake Reed)

Players/Draft Picks Received by the Dallas Cowboys
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
RB Darrin Nelson (traded to San Diego after he refused to report to Dallas)
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 (21) (traded this pick along with pick (81) for pick (17) from Pittsburgh to draft Emmitt Smith)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 (47) (Alexander Wright)
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 (158) (traded to New Orleans, who drafted James Williams)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (12) (Alvin Harper)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 (conditional) - (38) (Dixon Edwards)
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (37) (Darren Woodson)
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992 (conditional) - (71) (traded to New England, who drafted Kevin Turner)
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1993 (conditional) - (13) (traded to Philadelphia Eagles, and then to the Houston Oilers, who drafted Brad Hopkins)[

You really can't compare this to anything. Not even the hindsight aspect of it. This was instantly shocking, and an obvious fleecing of Minnesota to anyone with a brain.

Dallas won 3 Super Bowls that day.

[streetkings01]

It was a huge risk and I think they overpaid for him but the 16th worst? It's way too soon to make that call.

More importantly, his team has made some epic bad moves. Off the top of my head:

1. Drafting Mike Williams
2. Letting Polian go
3. Drafting JP Losman
4. Trading for Drew Bledsoe (not only did he fail but the picks helped the Pats kick our ass for over a decade)
5. Bills in Toronto series
6. Aaron Maybin
7. Letting Antowain Winfield walk
8. Letting Pat Williams walk.
9. Letting London Fletcher walk.
10. Trading up for McCargo
11. Willis McGahee
12. Trading Lynch
13. Jauron
14. Kevin Gilbride
15. Gailey
16. Hiring Levy as GM
17. Russ Brandon (this probably should be #1)

That's 17 worse moves from the Bills from the last 14 years alone that are worse than Watkins. And that's not counting the Sabres, Bisons, or any other team.
I'd put hiring Levy as GM in the top 5 since he's a big reason for #6,#9,#10 and #13.

[DesertFox24]

Yeah, having Beckham would be cool.
Ok Captain Hindsight Beckham has a had a heck of a rookie year but there is no GM or draft follower that would have graded Beckham better than Sammy. And as I have said twice already in this thread to judge a player after one year is insane.

[swiper]

You think Mike Williams was a bigger bust than Al Cowlings?

Walt Patulski

[pmoon6]

I know, right?

It's almost as original as "I'll still whoop your ass, Son" argument on the internet.Just stating facts, Boy.

[pmoon6]

No, they didn't. I lived in Dallas when that happened. The Cowboys were God awful. People were looking forward to a rebuild and shocked than any team would give up that many picks. Well, I lived in Houston at the time and worked for a Dallas company. The Cowboy fans I knew and talked to were puzzled and upset the team traded it's only bonefide star.

[The Jokeman]

Ok Captain Hindsight Beckham has a had a heck of a rookie year but there is no GM or draft follower that would have graded Beckham better than Sammy. And as I have said twice already in this thread to judge a player after one year is insane.

It's ironic but on draft day I texted a buddy of mine that the one guy I didn't want us reaching for with pick 9 was Beckham as thought he was all hype. He's been good for the Giants but you have to wonder if he would still be if they still had a healthy Cruz.

[BuffaloRedleg]

It was an unnecessarily risky move but I'm over it. I'm not trying to poke holes in the plan of the GM who put together likely the first winning season in a decade, just after beating the best team in the league, while still in the running for a playoff spot.

Only Bills fans.

[WagonCircler]

Well, I lived in Houston at the time and worked for a Dallas company. The Cowboy fans I knew and talked to were puzzled and upset the team traded it's only bonefide star.

I think you must have misunderstood them. Most people in Houston don't speak English. :D

[pmoon6]

I think you must have misunderstood them. Most people in Houston don't speak English. :D:rofl:

[Joe Fo Sho]

Just stating facts, Boy.

Haha, ok tough guy internet man.

[better days]

The pessimists on this board were expecting the Bills to win 3 or 4 games this year.

They expected the draft pick to be somewhere in the top 10.

It was still a lot to give up for Sammy, but the pick now looks to be 15 or lower.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Ok Captain Hindsight Beckham has a had a heck of a rookie year but there is no GM or draft follower that would have graded Beckham better than Sammy.

So? I don't really care what the draft gurus thought. Plus, I'm not even sure you're statement is true.



And as I have said twice already in this thread to judge a player after one year is insane.

No one is saying Sammy is a bad player. All I'm doing is saying there are comparable (better?) players we could have got that would have been significantly cheaper. Prices are supposed to go down in a saturated market, we somehow paid significantly more.

Judging a trade after one year is not insane.

[chernobylwraiths]

it was a ton to give up for Sammy, but let's be honest here, the only reason the trade made it that high on the list was to generate talk. Most of the rest aren't in debate. Difficult to make that assessment in less than a season.

[Bill Cody]

it was a ton to give up for Sammy, but let's be honest here, the only reason the trade made it that high on the list was to generate talk. Most of the rest aren't in debate. Difficult to make that assessment in less than a season.

no no it's over terrible trade heard it from Joe Fo

[Joe Fo Sho]

no no it's over terrible trade heard it from Joe Fo

What exactly did I say was over?

Seems you can't criticize a move by this team without people assuming you think the sky is falling. Sheesh.

[Bill Cody]

What exactly did I say was over?

Seems you can't criticize a move by this team without people assuming you think the sky is falling. Sheesh.

If it isn't over why criticize it?

[Joe Fo Sho]

If it isn't over why criticize it?

Can you explain what 'it' is? What is or isn't over?

[WagonCircler]

Can you explain what 'it' is? What is or isn't over?

NOTHING is over!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[Joe Fo Sho]

NOTHING is over!

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

And it ain't over now! Cuz when the goin' gets tough... ... ... THE TOUGH GET GOIN'! Who's with me??

[Bill Cody]

Can you explain what 'it' is? What is or isn't over?

What's over in your mind is whether it was a bad trade or not. You said it was. That we'd never get from Sammy what we paid for him. Cher was pointing out the obvious that we can't know that yet. Let me know if this is registering. Not sure if you're trolling again or just need to put the pipe down.

[Joe Fo Sho]

What's over in your mind is whether it was a bad trade or not. You said it was.

Where did I say that it was over? Are you making stuff up now, big guy?

Maybe you should read the 1st thing I said in this thread.



As it stands right now, they overpaid for what appears to be a very good player.

Do you know what "as it stands right now" means? Do you need an adult?

[pmoon6]

Haha, ok tough guy internet man.Yes, I laugh at you as well, Son.

BTW, you know why I call you "Son", don't ya?

I boinked just about every slut in WNY back in the day, so you actually may have my blood.

Give your Mom my regards.

[PromoTheRobot]

I cannot disagree with this decision to post this article enough. They claim Sammy is a great player with loads of potential but for a QB starved team they gave up a first rounder and cannot get one. Ok I will grant that maybe at the time of the draft this was a valid argument, but considering we are 8-6 and 8-8 at worst we will at worst be picking 16th???? There are no QBs that will last that far and no way any team in the top 5 trades down to 16 in this draft considering it is thought of to be weak compared to last years draft. Now we can argue the merits of Beckham and Evans and Benjamin but at this point neither rookie WR has proved to be consistent for multiple seasons. There have been several WRs to light it up year 1 to only fade away into oblivion.

They keep wanting the Bills to find this wonderful franchise QB but they never ever say who, do they? Maybe that's because there isn't a QB worth a crap in the last two drafts or in free agency.

[YardRat]

Do you know what "as it stands right now" means? Do you need an adult?

"As it stands right now" there's two games left in the season and the '15 draft is still 4-5 months down the road, so the conclusion is still way premature.

[pmoon6]

"As it stands right now" there's two games left in the season and the '15 draft is still 4-5 months down the road, so the conclusion is still way premature.Don't try to argue with him.

Nothing sadder than a youngster that actually THINKS he knows something.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Yes, I laugh at you as well, Son.

BTW, you know why I call you "Son", don't ya?

I boinked just about every slut in WNY back in the day, so you actually may have my blood.

Give your Mom my regards.

Oh nice mom joke, you really are old. Plus my mom is pretty gross, your standards are too low. Step your game up.

[Joe Fo Sho]

"As it stands right now" there's two games left in the season and the '15 draft is still 4-5 months down the road, so the conclusion is still way premature.

Isn't that why we have this message board? To overanalyze? Or is that only allowed when you agree with the Bills?

Besides, I'm not the one who keeps starting threads about the trade. Other people are trying to justify it, I'm stating my opinion. Maybe we should wait until Watkins retires to talk about the trade.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Don't try to argue with him.

Maybe you should actually TRY arguing with me, instead of insulting me like the mature adult you try to portray.



Nothing sadder than a youngster that actually THINKS he knows something.

I don't know, the Holocaust was pretty sad.

[pmoon6]

Oh nice mom joke, you really are old. Plus my mom is pretty gross, your standards are too low. Step your game up.I only ****ed good looking sluts.

Evidently squeezing you out and raising your sorry ass must have taken it's toll.

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Maybe you should actually TRY arguing with me, instead of insulting me like the mature adult you try to portray.




I don't know, the Holocaust was pretty sad.I never said I was mature. I was just 18 yesterday.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I only ****ed good looking sluts.

Evidently squeezing you out and raising your sorry ass must have taken it's toll.

Good one, you've almost earned your social security that my sorry ass has paid to you.

[pmoon6]

Good one, you've almost earned your social security that my sorry ass has paid to you.:rofl: I've paid more in Social Security Taxes than you've ever earned.

[Joe Fo Sho]

:rofl: I've paid more in Social Security Taxes than you've ever earned.

I enjoy how worthless you think someone on the internet that you know nothing about is. Tells a lot about a person.

[pmoon6]

I enjoy how worthless you think someone on the internet that you know nothing about is. Tells a lot about a person.God, you are stupid.

[Joe Fo Sho]

God, you are stupid.

I already told you to call me Joe.

[YardRat]

Isn't that why we have this message board? To overanalyze? Or is that only allowed when you agree with the Bills?

Besides, I'm not the one who keeps starting threads about the trade. Other people are trying to justify it, I'm stating my opinion. Maybe we should wait until Watkins retires to talk about the trade.

'Over-analyze' all you want...why don't you whip out the crystal ball and 'over-analyze' how much the Bills' first pick in the '15 draft sucks.

Yeah, waiting until a rookie has a few years under his belt, albeit maybe not retired, is probably a pretty good idea, and basically the point.

[Joe Fo Sho]

'Over-analyze' all you want...why don't you whip out the crystal ball and 'over-analyze' how much the Bills' first pick in the '15 draft sucks.

Yeah, waiting until a rookie has a few years under his belt, albeit maybe not retired, is probably a pretty good idea, and basically the point.

OK, no one is allowed to talk about the Watkins trade for 3 years. It has been determined.

[jills]

It's not hard to find a decent guard in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

Is the 19th pick (at best) in the 2015 NFL draft overpaying for Sammy Watkins?

I don't think so.

Considering the likes of Megatron, Moss, Fitzgerald, etc. only required 1 pick. Yeah, we overpaid big time.