The Outside Consultant Idea Has Never Been More Important

[Night Train]

The idea that defeating Green Bay = Everything is fine... blew up like a bomb yesterday.

That was a 2 win Raiders team that held our RB's to 13 yards on 13 carries and had a free direct route to our inconsistent QB all day with our paper OL. Reality.

Bills won with D and ST's play all year, while getting a subpar effort from the O most every week. You need points to win. They were NEVER a serious playoff threat.


With a new owner and opportunity to change the entire complacent culture of this organization, the last thing I wish to see is little change and the false idea everything is just dandy. It's not and we need to rid ourselves of the Wilson era mindset of low expectations.

I will be very interested to see what the Pegula's choose to do after the Pats game. They sat on their hands with the Sabres and listened to Darcy lead them down a cliff. Will they do the same with Brandon, who will be trying to defend all his past moves from the last several years of failure ? I don't care that he's supposedly out of the football side of the building...he has their ear right now, more than anyone from the leftover crew.

Call Ernie Acorsi, Ron Wolf, Bill Polian or anyone of merit not acting in their own self interest that is currently on the payroll. Give them carte blanche.

This whole " Average is OK " mindset must be thrown in the lake permanently. This act has grown old.

[swiper]

Seantrel Henderson looked terrible. Glenn struggled. The whole line looked awful.

[Historian]

I agree train.

It's time to bring in someone with actual football credentials.

[YardRat]

In reality, it's something that should have already been in place by December 1, so that the consultant had an opportunity to scrutinize the organization when it was operating under in-season conditions for the last month of games. Kind of a fail on Pegula's part to not have done so, IMO.

[DraftBoy]

Has Pegula said he's looking to bring in an outside adviser?

Look at it from his perspective for a minute. This FO and Staff just took a team from a Top 10 pick in the last NFL draft to being one of the final three teams eliminated from the AFC playoff race. Additionally the team is profitable and I believe every home game this year sold out.

I'm not sure from his perspective he's going to see the reason most of the fans see to make sweeping changes in Year 1. Now if they falter next year then the house gets cleaned, but don't be surprised if the moves this year are minimal to nil.

[Mr. Pink]

As long as that consultant isn't Mike Holmgren.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Call Ernie Acorsi, Ron Wolf, Bill Polian or anyone of merit not acting in their own self interest that is currently on the payroll. Give them carte blanche.

Be careful what you wish for. If he hires Bill Polian, Marrone might get an extension. He called him a coach of the year candidate last week.

[Night Train]

Be careful what you wish for. If he hires Bill Polian, Marrone might get an extension. He called him a coach of the year candidate last week.

I'm not looking for an outsider to agree with my perspective, since I'm a silly fan with a supposed drinking problem.


I just want an honest evaluation of what needs to be improved and how to go about it, instead of the standard company line of " patience " which has done little to improve our fortunes for far too many years.

That was a disgrace yesterday and any attempt to explain it as one bad day is laughable. It's who they are and the organization has to quit ignoring real problems like the OL, play calling, proper leadership and QB play.

[Lone Stranger]

I see the voice of logic entering into this discussion and in the process squelching our emotions. Unfortunately, or is it fortunately, much of what you say is true.
Has Pegula said he's looking to bring in an outside adviser?

Look at it from his perspective for a minute. This FO and Staff just took a team from a Top 10 pick in the last NFL draft to being one of the final three teams eliminated from the AFC playoff race. Additionally the team is profitable and I believe every home game this year sold out.

I'm not sure from his perspective he's going to see the reason most of the fans see to make sweeping changes in Year 1. Now if they falter next year then the house gets cleaned, but don't be surprised if the moves this year are minimal to nil.

[Joe Fo Sho]

I'm not looking for an outsider to agree with my perspective, since I'm a silly fan with a supposed drinking problem.


I just want an honest evaluation of what needs to be improved and how to go about it, instead of the standard company line of " patience " which has done little to improve our fortunes for far too many years.

That was a disgrace yesterday and any attempt to explain it as one bad day is laughable. It's who they are and the organization has to quit ignoring real problems like the OL, play calling, proper leadership and QB play.

Seems reasonable to me.

I don't think much needs to be changed. The problems you pointed out are the obvious ones, if they fix those then I don't see a need to clean house. This is a decent team with a few holes that just happen to be at some of the most important positions on the field, and therefore are the hardest to fix.

[Novacane]

I've got this sick feeling snake oil salesman Russ has convinced Pegula he's got the team on the right track.

[Night Train]

I've got this sick feeling snake oil salesman Russ has convinced Pegula he's got the team on the right track.

Self preservation and keeping the resume shining bright.

[DraftBoy]

I'm not looking for an outsider to agree with my perspective, since I'm a silly fan with a supposed drinking problem.

I thought we all agreed at the last meeting that the supposed drinking problem was simply a figment of all our imaginations? And that "To dull the pain" is a perfectly acceptable reason to pour another.

[jamze132]

Be careful what you wish for. If he hires Bill Polian, Marrone might get an extension. He called him a coach of the year candidate last week.

Marrone isn't the problem.

He has gotten better since last year and he will continue to improve with his game day decisions. OBD needs to address the O-line and QB positions to give Marrone a chance.

[Joe Fo Sho]

Marrone isn't the problem.

He has gotten better since last year and he will continue to improve with his game day decisions. OBD needs to address the O-line and QB positions to give Marrone a chance.

I agree.

I was just assuming Night Train wanted to clean house, which was off base.

[BertSquirtgum]

Everybody that Ralph Wilson/Russ Brandon signed checks for should be out the door

[better days]

Has Pegula said he's looking to bring in an outside adviser?

Look at it from his perspective for a minute. This FO and Staff just took a team from a Top 10 pick in the last NFL draft to being one of the final three teams eliminated from the AFC playoff race. Additionally the team is profitable and I believe every home game this year sold out.

I'm not sure from his perspective he's going to see the reason most of the fans see to make sweeping changes in Year 1. Now if they falter next year then the house gets cleaned, but don't be surprised if the moves this year are minimal to nil.

Well, unless some big changes are made this offseason, Brandon will have a tough sell next year.

Marrone & the entire Offensive Coaching staff need to go.

And I believe the majority of Bills fans feel that way.

[better days]

And one of my friends I watch the games with is an EJ hater & was an Orton supporter.

After yesterday, even he is done with Orton & wants to see EJ play next week against the Pats*.

[GreedoII]

Polian is outdated. No throwbacks. Someone new and who is in touch with the league and how it operates.

[OLDSRIP]

In reality, it's something that should have already been in place by December 1, so that the consultant had an opportunity to scrutinize the organization when it was operating under in-season conditions for the last month of games. Kind of a fail on Pegula's part to not have done so, IMO.


Is it public info that nothing has happened yet?

[GvilleBills]

I thought we all agreed at the last meeting that the supposed drinking problem was simply a figment of all our imaginations? And that "To dull the pain" is a perfectly acceptable reason to pour another.


I was under this impression as well. I'll have to check the minutes from the last meeting.

[YardRat]

Has Pegula said he's looking to bring in an outside adviser?

I believe he has, I'll look for link later.


Is it public info that nothing has happened yet?

No, but I would think something like that would become public knowledge pretty quickly. If he does already have a consultant in place, and has, then kudos.

[better days]

I believe he has, I'll look for link later.



No, but I would think something like that would become public knowledge pretty quickly. If he does already have a consultant in place, and has, then kudos.

Well, when Pegula hired LaFontaine, nobody knew about it until Pegs let the news out.

Maybe he has someone already, but if not I'm sure whoever he hires just has to look at game film to see the cluster*** of this offense.

[bf1]

You don't hire consultants. You hire guys who know how to get it done themselves.

[WagonCircler]

hat was a 2 win Raiders team that held our RB's to 13 yards on 13 carries and had a free direct route to our inconsistent QB all day with our paper OL. Reality.


They were also dead last in the league against the run.

[WagonCircler]

You don't hire consultants. You hire guys who know how to get it done themselves.

You hire guys who have proven repeatedly they could get it done themselves, but are out of the "doing it" game, and they hire guys who can get it done themselves.

What you DON'T ****ING DO is let Russ ****ing Brandon hire anyone ever again.

Hire Bill Polian to do the hiring.

[Bill Cody]

I'm available for the consultant role.

Peg: "So what is your analysis of the situation Bill"?

Bill Cody: "I think you need a better QB. Send the check to my PO Box"

[Buddo]

The problem areas on the field, are easy to identify. Any sort of assessment, probably isn't hurt by starting after next week tbh, as I would expect it to focus as much on stuff like the pro recruitment side, scouting/drafting, and the financial stuff in respect particularly of salary cap management.
It should also include things like the dynamics of relationships between the various departments, GM and Coaches, Trainers etc.

In many respects, I believe that in the last couple of years, much has been done that actually achieves better results, especially in the pro scouting/drafting departments. We seem to be getting more players from our drafts, who are contributing, but unfortunately, not in all positions of need. It would appear that Whaley knows his LBers, as we are now in a better position with what we have, than we've been for years.

The major failures are all on Offense, and it's not on the skill guys, aside from QB. How that can be fixed, must be priority #1. For all that Marrone has been touted as an O-Line specialist (and his past history suggests that he has been good), he's made fundamental errors imho, and with the O-Line, has made the same sort of error that others have made in other areas of the team, namely trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Pears should never have been considered as a guard. Urbik ends up playing on the left side, when Marrone ran out of other options, when he's performed adequately in the past, on the right. Why he wasn't starting from the beginning of the season, and at RG, will likely only be discovered when Marrone rides off into the sunset, or Urbik gets his walking papers. Nonetheless, it was a poor decision, and didn't help us at all.

The play calling has largely been both predictable, and simplistic. Little wonder that with sub standard play from the O-Line and QB position, we could barely score. Something definitely needs to be done to resolve those issues, and although I think Marrone has done overall​ a decent job, if he's not going to change up the Offense, then he might just have to go.

[better days]

You don't hire consultants. You hire guys who know how to get it done themselves.

I disagree. Consultants are used all the time in business.

Pegula most likely does not know who would be a GOOD hire any more than you or me.

[coastal]

Why do we need an outside consultant?

why not just hire competent employees and out them in positions to be successful and accountable?

[Mace]

Regarding Pegula/consultant, related link :

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24749471/pegulas-looking-to-bring-on-a-consultant-to-help-with-bills-transition

[The Jokeman]

You don't hire consultants. You hire guys who know how to get it done themselves.
The consultants brought up in a news article when Pegula first got named owner were rumored to be Holmgren, Ernie Accorsi and Ron Wolf.