what does orton do well

[djjimkelly]

well this will end up being a funny thread.

but in all seriousness to any and all bills fans who think kyle orton should be on this roster in 2015.

please and i mean please explain to me what he does well. and exactly why he is the answer at qb. why shouldnt we be looking for a different starter?

what does he bring that someone else cannot?


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[Meathead]

get our hopes up?

[justasportsfan]

get drunk.

[Mr. Pink]

Hold a clipboard and come in for a game or two of relief.

He's a good backup but not meant to be a starter.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Pads his stats in garbage time pretty well.

[Ed]

The Bills know that they need a lot better than Orton at the qb position. No point in wasting time discussing this loser.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Looking like an 80s porn star.

Running a 6.3s 40.

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Throwing 3 feet short from the receiver's feet or 7 feet over his head.

[coastal]

**** it all

[OpIv37]

well this will end up being a funny thread.

but in all seriousness to any and all bills fans who think kyle orton should be on this roster in 2015.

please and i mean please explain to me what he does well. and exactly why he is the answer at qb. why shouldnt we be looking for a different starter?

what does he bring that someone else cannot?


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He doesn't do anything particularly well.

He still should be on the roster in 2015 though, not because of his own merit but because a lack of other options. No one who will be available is any better, and we'd have to use cap space and/or draft picks that we can't spare to get someone else.

[Cali512]

I dont blame this on Orton. We were only in this game bc of Orton. His horrible misfires were just quick plays that i see Manning miss all the time. Every Nfl QB misses about 3-5 easy passes a game. sometimes they are caught but still ugly passes. His deep ball is the only gripe i have since they are always a foot or 2 to far. I dont know if anyone has played QB but this is the same type of pressure that created EJs 2 worst games ever. TB and Pit. This game was identical to those games yet Orton made plays. Another thing, any time we go no huddle or Orton clearly changes the play, its a big gain. All ortons bad plays come on one read where the D is already knowing the play call. like that inside screen to Woods. Everyones gonna look at all 22 and find at least 3 wide open players. Buts its a one read design play. Same play that Tuel threw a pick 6 bc of. Orton called his own plays for that whole 4th Quarter drive. on 3rd and one we huddled and threw a designed quick pass, thats a coach playcall. Ortons best when you tell him to coach the team himself.

[Historian]

dip

[The King]

Pisses me off.

Throws a football over mountains?

[Historian]

http://youtu.be/ZEbN6Vnr1g8

[GvilleBills]

Check down

[Novacane]

Nothing on the football field!

[Typ0]

I'm looking for a guy to show up who can be consistent and win. This season Orton was the best option. Now it's no longer this season and the question really is about EJ Manuel. He wasn't ready to play this year. I wish someone would explain to me why we don't have the QB position loaded up considering it's the constant thorn in our sides ... and it's a huge thorn with a nasty infection too. However, we can carry a kick off specialist who blows up the most critical kicks -- both the ones going down the field and onside. If you have a roster spot on this team for a ****ing kick off specialist to run plays that pretty much don't matter any more the ****er better have some killer skill that can change a game.

So I would say we need to hire every single available QB and draft one with every pick we have ... but get rid of the kickoff specialists and add a QB to the roster. Fire the idiot that needs a kickoff specialist too he's an idiot.

[djjimkelly]

He doesn't do anything particularly well.

He still should be on the roster in 2015 though, not because of his own merit but because a lack of other options. No one who will be available is any better, and we'd have to use cap space and/or draft picks that we can't spare to get someone else.

he is also 5 mil that from what i understand doesnt count on cap if he's not here.

[OpIv37]

he is also 5 mil that from what i understand doesnt count on cap if he's not here.

Ok, so then the question becomes "is there someone better that we can get for $5 mil or less?"

Unfortunately I don't think there is.

[djjimkelly]

Ok, so then the question becomes "is there someone better that we can get for $5 mil or less?"

Unfortunately I don't think there is.

i actually think this years FA class has some talent. not top 10 talent but better then 28th qbr talent.

now im not a GM and of course id have to watch tons of film to truly evaluate.

but sanchez , jake locker , matt moore, ryan mallett. matt shaub

but on a quick look all would be upgrades over orton and for relatively cheap

[Cali512]

Moore is no better than thad was. He has energy but no real skill.

Mallet is a bad player overall


Locker is tennessees version of JP

Shaub is hated in Oakland as the backup without takimg a snap, with a 3-12 rookie favored over him. So ya

Sanchez is identical to Orton in what he can and cant do so there is that

[Albany,n.y.]

He's a good provider for his wife & kid. He made 3 to 4 times more $ this season than I made working over 30 years combined.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

The one thing I can say is that he never seems to panic. You never really see those plays where you can see the QB freaking out and chucking up a duck into coverage. This is coupled, unfortunately, with a quick willingness to give up and title though.

[Cali512]

I think people think hes gives up is bc on alot of 3rd downs the coaching staff calls a pure one read plays. I dont think hes giving up just giving the ball to the WR asap so we can catch the D off guard. Like that 2 yard pass to Woods we saw like 4 times. Its a designed play that the Wide receivers are meant to fake like they are doimg real routes and then they start blocking. Its a dead play if the D doesnt show the coverage we need. There are othet players usually open on these plays but thats bc the D knows the play. And if Orton tries lookong downfield than hell get destroyed bc thr line isnt expecting to block long. Marrone said last week that our plays only work if they are in the D we expect. I think if you look at most of Ortons horrible reads its due to that or WRs not adjusting in time

[OpIv37]

The one thing I can say is that he never seems to panic. You never really see those plays where you can see the QB freaking out and chucking up a duck into coverage. This is coupled, unfortunately, with a quick willingness to give up and title though.

I think he has turned this into a negative. A lot of the sacks happen because he's so patient that by the time he decides to give up and scramble or throw it away, it's too late. I wish he had more of a sense of urgency.

[Mr. Cynical]

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[Cali512]

I think he has turned this into a negative. A lot of the sacks happen because he's so patient that by the time he decides to give up and scramble or throw it away, it's too late. I wish he had more of a sense of urgency.

Am i the pnly one that realized that when Orton made that pass to Watkins, no WR had even begun looking till 20-30 yards downfield. I made a post about this. Half of the routes we have are designed for 3 receivers to run 30 yard routes and maybe a checkdown. We use the saints style playbook with the early 2000 houston texans oline

[gebobs]

At least we won't have to compete with anyone now for his services.

[Meathead]

orton wasnt as good as the guy who started out on fire for the first four or five nor is he the hot train mess weve seen recently behind the most comically inept offensive line ive seen round these parts since uncle elmo played operating room with me behind the barn those twelve times

in your training camp future: orton, ej and somebody else out of a high pick or young veteran or emerging backup. deal wid it

[swiper]

well this will end up being a funny thread.

but in all seriousness to any and all bills fans who think kyle orton should be on this roster in 2015.

please and i mean please explain to me what he does well. and exactly why he is the answer at qb. why shouldnt we be looking for a different starter?

what does he bring that someone else cannot?


THIS SHOULD BE FUN!!!

Most of you will disagree with my response, but here goes.

We all knew Orton was a midling QB. On any given day you may get good Orton or bad Orton. It has always been that way.

My take? If Buffalo had an o-line that could have offered him a measly 2 more seconds on any given play and you would have seen the good Orton a lot more. And you would have won 2 out of three of these games: KC, 2nd Miami game, Oakland. Maybe all three. He has defenders in on him so fast that Marrone should be ashamed to call himself an o-line guy.

The loss of Joe D'Alessandris was a big one.

[swiper]

well this will end up being a funny thread.

but in all seriousness to any and all bills fans who think kyle orton should be on this roster in 2015.

please and i mean please explain to me what he does well. and exactly why he is the answer at qb. why shouldnt we be looking for a different starter?

what does he bring that someone else cannot?


THIS SHOULD BE FUN!!!

Most of you will disagree with my response, but here goes.

We all knew Orton was a midling QB. On any given day you may get good Orton or bad Orton. It has always been that way.

My take? If Buffalo had an o-line that could have offered him a measly 2 more seconds on any given play and you would have seen the good Orton a lot more. And you would have won 2 out of three of these games: KC, 2nd Miami game, Oakland. Maybe all three. He has defenders in on him so fast that Marrone should be ashamed to call himself an o-line guy.

The loss of Joe D'Alessandris was a big one.

The fact that the running game has become so feable when FJax & Spiller were running so well just two years ago under Gailey underscores the failure of the o-line. And I have been very disappointed with Dixon and Brown. Looking back, it's likely that the blocking schemes and personnel on the line must be the problem.

[jills]

Play better than Manuel, and sadly that's enough to be a starter with this team.

[swiper]

Play better than Manuel, and sadly that's enough to be a starter with this team.

:rofl:

[The Jokeman]

Ok, so then the question becomes "is there someone better that we can get for $5 mil or less?"

Unfortunately I don't think there is.

Maybe not one player but if we were to landed a Jordan Cameron on a four year $16 million dollar deal and Christian Ponder on a two year $2.5 million dollar deal are we a better team?

[The Jokeman]

Most of you will disagree with my response, but here goes.

We all knew Orton was a midling QB. On any given day you may get good Orton or bad Orton. It has always been that way.

My take? If Buffalo had an o-line that could have offered him a measly 2 more seconds on any given play and you would have seen the good Orton a lot more. And you would have won 2 out of three of these games: KC, 2nd Miami game, Oakland. Maybe all three. He has defenders in on him so fast that Marrone should be ashamed to call himself an o-line guy.

The loss of Joe D'Alessandris was a big one.

Let's not forget that we didn't just lose Joe D we also lost Andy Levitre and Chad Rinehart that same offseason. Interesting though that http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11977244/tennessee-titans-president-says-2015-roster-lot-different is speculating Levitre may get cut, the question is would we bring him back with a new coaching staff in place?

[djjimkelly]

At least we won't have to compete with anyone now for his services.

you didnt honestly have a worry lol

[BidsJr]

Maybe not one player but if we were to landed a Jordan Cameron on a four year $16 million dollar deal and Christian Ponder on a two year $2.5 million dollar deal are we a better team?

I lol'd at Christian Ponder.

[The Jokeman]

I lol'd at Christian Ponder.

I'm not saying he's brought in to start but just to be a veteran prescence to backup EJ or if we draft a QB in the later rounds.

[stuckincincy]

I dont blame this on Orton. We were only in this game bc of Orton.

I feel the same. Orton played a good journeyman role since they brought him in. The team was in playoff contention until week 16.

The Bills staff, calling 49 passes by Orton (or 49 passes with any qb for that matter) and only 13 rushes, screwed their own pooch. Hackett for going into panic mode, and Marrone for not intervening (or agreeing).
I'm not advocating axing Marrone - they won't end up under .500 which is an improvement, and I'm tired of HC musical chairs.

[The Jokeman]

I feel the same. Orton played a good journeyman role since they brought him in. The team was in playoff contention until week 16.

The Bills staff, calling 49 passes by Orton (or 49 passes with any qb for that matter) and only 13 rushes, screwed their own pooch. Hackett for going into panic mode, and Marrone for not intervening (or agreeing).
I'm not advocating axing Marrone - they won't end up under .500 which is an improvement, and I'm tired of HC musical chairs.

Gresham wasn't great tonight but he did display why I'd welcome him here. He was ale to help Dalton sustain drives and even pitched in a red zone TD. Again he's better what the Bills have behind Chandler here. Toss in it's hard to dispute the running game the Bengals have had over the years dispute rolling out different backs over the years.

[stuckincincy]

Gresham wasn't great tonight but he did display why I'd welcome him here. He was ale to help Dalton sustain drives and even pitched in a red zone TD. Again he's better what the Bills have behind Chandler here. Toss in it's hard to dispute the running game the Bengals have had over the years dispute rolling out different backs over the years.

He might be better than what BUF has. But he doesn't stretch the field, has a long history of inopportune penalties - dumb ones costing 15 yards...led TEs in penalties last season IIRC, almost lost the ball tonight with an ill-advised stretch, was close to losing the ball earlier on in the game, allowed himself to go out of bounds late when the clock was a factor, and has displayed iron hands in playoff games. He stood around and didn't interfere with Von Miller in the Jeremy Hill fumble. He does get into mental funks, and he does have a history of claiming injury.

Had Eifert not gone out for the season in the 1st quarter of CIN's 1st game, Gresham would have been relegated to spot duty. They drafted Eifert because of dissatisfaction with Gresham. If they are confident that Eifert can go next season, I'd be surprised if Gresham is offered a new contract.

[HHURRICANE]

Makes lots of money?

[Night Train]

Make $$$