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  • jimmifli
    Registered User
    • Nov 2006
    • 7827

    Scheme



    I'm not sure I can count that high but there are a lot of black sweaters pretty close to the line. Imagine if that was a PA with a roll out? But it wasn't. I'm still trying to figure out what it was. Where is Fred supposed to go? There is nothing to the right, is it a designed cutback? Maybe, Woods and Grey immediately attempt to block, but Grey lets 52 go past him with less than a nudge. Did he just forget his assignment? I think they could run this play against the D 100 times and be lucky to pick up positive yards on any of them. IT was doomed before the snap.




    Oline does fine, Cordy and Urbik double team and open a small hole (Cordy did all the work), Chandler struggles against Mack but gets the job done. Wood actually wins his battle. The only one that blows it is Seantrel. Not much of a play but at least is was positive.




    Everybody wins their battle and the play goes nowhere. Watch Seantrel and Wood, they both pick the wrong guy to block. Wood has a full second twiddling his thumbs sliding down the line before he finally blocks someone. If Seantrel managed to ievenslow up the tackler, Spiller's into the secondary at full speed.



    I didn't know Urbik could pull so well. And check out the block he puts on Woods! Knocked him back at least 5 yards. Also, lots of black sweaters again.



    Watch Cordy and Wood on the left. If we had two guards that could stay on their feet we'd be able to run a screen when teams crowd the line.


    Cordy can't figure out who to block, but it wouldn't matter anyway Chandler can't block Mack and shouldn't be asked to.
  • jimmifli
    Registered User
    • Nov 2006
    • 7827

    #2
    Re: Scheme

    I'll do some more later, but holy **** these players are being put in a position fail. Just look at Chandler at the end of that last play. You can almost hear him saying "well what the **** am I supposed to do against him". I can't imagine anyone has any confidence with Hackett's scheme. I bet there's a lot of eye rolling during team meetings.

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    • SpikedLemonade
      • Jun 2024

      #3
      Re: Scheme

      Hackett should never have been hired.

      His resume hilite was as the OC for a crap Syracuse team.

      Simply not qualified to be a NFL OC.

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      • Cali512
        Registered User
        • Jan 2012
        • 6393

        #4
        Re: Scheme

        Look up how many times our recievers havent finished there final break in there route until 3-5 seconds with no checkdown
        Not here to be right, just here to have interesting discussions about my impulsive opinions

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        • Buffalogic
          Rumblin' Stumblin' Bumblin'
          • Feb 2006
          • 5345

          #5
          Re: Scheme

          Our running game is amateurish at best. The guy calling the plays is unimaginative and our production reflects that.

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          • DynaPaul
            Registered User
            • Sep 2003
            • 7540

            #6
            Re: Scheme

            How can the most fundamental part of the offense, the line, be such a fail with an OL as the coach? Mind boggling.

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            • YardRat
              Well, lookie here...
              • Dec 2004
              • 86147

              #7
              Re: Scheme

              Originally posted by DynaPaul View Post
              How can the most fundamental part of the offense, the line, be such a fail with an OL as the coach? Mind boggling.
              Ask Brian Billick...he perfected under-achieving his specialty as a HC.
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              • Edward Robinson
                Registered User
                • Apr 2013
                • 76

                #8
                Re: Scheme

                Well that one Spiller play that was designed to go inside, if he was to bounce it out after he started inside would have scored 7. If that was either Jamal Charles or Leshawn Mccoy it would have been 7 for sure

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                • Cali512
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 6393

                  #9
                  Re: Scheme

                  Cj does have awareness issues. Hes gone backward and run out short of a first numerous times. He dances at the line and makes long devoping plays impossible and regular plays stall enough time for most defenses to react and make the hit. Not to mention, Spiller is built. If anyone seen his interviews and workouts you almost think hed be a power back. Its his attitude to be fast and outrun even though he should be an all around back
                  Not here to be right, just here to have interesting discussions about my impulsive opinions

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                  • DynaPaul
                    Registered User
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 7540

                    #10
                    Re: Scheme

                    Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                    Ask Brian Billick...he perfected under-achieving his specialty as a HC.
                    He won a championship though.

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                    • Spartacus
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 53833

                      #11
                      Re: Scheme

                      Originally posted by jimmifli View Post
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                      I'm not sure I can count that high but there are a lot of black sweaters pretty close to the line. Imagine if that was a PA with a roll out? But it wasn't. I'm still trying to figure out what it was. Where is Fred supposed to go? There is nothing to the right, is it a designed cutback? Maybe, Woods and Grey immediately attempt to block, but Grey lets 52 go past him with less than a nudge. Did he just forget his assignment? I think they could run this play against the D 100 times and be lucky to pick up positive yards on any of them. IT was doomed before the snap.
                      Thank you.

                      This is a perfect example of the two tons of flesh in a 10 square yard box.

                      How many times did we have to watch this same stupid play all year? 150 - 200 times?
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                      • Night Train
                        Retired - On Several Levels
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 33117

                        #12
                        Re: Scheme

                        There is merit to what you posted. I viewed many calls as easy to read before the snap all year, with little to no chance to succeed. Very little motion and frequent opportunities for the D to place 9 in the box without any worry of a decent gain.

                        There IS talent at the skill position but the people in charge of the O scheme continued to prove they have no answers. With an OL that seems completely lost, the play calling became one that did little other than to set up the punt.
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                        • IlluminatusUIUC
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2012
                          • 8966

                          #13
                          Re: Scheme

                          I don't have an answer for all of these, but some are not necessarily scheme failures.
                          Originally posted by
                          jimmifli;4038694


                          I'm not sure I can count that high but there are a lot of black sweaters pretty close to the line. Imagine if that was a PA with a roll out? But it wasn't. I'm still trying to figure out what it was. Where is Fred supposed to go? There is nothing to the right, is it a designed cutback? Maybe, Woods and Grey immediately attempt to block, but Grey lets 52 go past him with less than a nudge. Did he just forget his assignment? I think they could run this play against the D 100 times and be lucky to pick up positive yards on any of them. IT was doomed before the snap.


                          Yes this is a prime example of a play that needs to be audibled to a pass.




                          Everybody wins their battle and the play goes nowhere. Watch Seantrel and Wood, they both pick the wrong guy to block. Wood has a full second twiddling his thumbs sliding down the line before he finally blocks someone. If Seantrel managed to ievenslow up the tackler, Spiller's into the secondary at full speed.


                          On running plays the offense is down a player so that means someone, somewhere, is going unblocked. In this case, the smarter playcall would probably to have Hogan take the safety. Henderson has to choose the ILB or the safety, and whichever one he didn't choose would have been Spiller's man to beat. But Spiller doesn't win 1v1 engagements.


                          Cordy can't figure out who to block, but it wouldn't matter anyway Chandler can't block Mack and shouldn't be asked to.
                          It looks to me like the mistake there was Wood's. It looks initially like Glenn steps up to block the ILB, but Wood has already taken him. That leaves Woodson unblocked right in the hole, so Spiller sees that and breaks away from him. Chandler shouldn't be asked to drive block Mack, but asking him to block him backside is a reasonable assignment.

                          If Wood blocks Woodson and Glenn blocks the ILB, Burris can be left alone on the other side because Spiller goes the opposite direction and outruns him. Instead, Spiller cuts right back into him and Glenn can't recover. Either Woodson or Burris was meant to be left alone on that play. Chandler taking Mack suggests to me that it was Burris who was supposed to be left behind and Woodson attacked.


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                          • DraftBoy
                            Administrator
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 107452

                            #14
                            Re: Scheme

                            On the first play the run is designed to go between Henderson and Pears. The box is overloaded so the run was called to the weakside so if the run needs to bounce outside its one DB with a WR blocking.

                            Neither Pears or Henderson come close to winning their blocks which is supposed to seal the lane and give the RB the daylight he needs to run through. If Henderson even barely wins his block Jackson has the ability cut it outside and get some positive yardage but he doesn't and the play fails.
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                            • DraftBoy
                              Administrator
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 107452

                              #15
                              Re: Scheme

                              On the second play I wish they came back to this later and ran the reverse, Woodson is cheating inside on that play and with Hogan coming around he could block Woodson and spring a big play. All the other defenders were sucked inside. That's a miss by Hackett imo.
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