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Historian
07-19-2003, 06:19 PM
I heard a rumor that James Lofton is going into the Hall of Fame as a PACKER. Is this true?

A few years back on the telethon he took a question about the HOF, and said that if elected, he would go in as a Bill. What happened?
ArcticWildMan
07-19-2003, 06:23 PM
That's ****ed up if it's true.
Dozerdog
07-19-2003, 06:25 PM
I beleive the rule is that you go into the HoF under the colors of the team that you played the most games with.
The_Philster
07-19-2003, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Dozerdog
I beleive the rule is that you go into the HoF under the colors of the team that you played the most games with.

If that's the case, wouldn't Marcus Allen be one pissed off RB? He played longer for the Raiders but he's said all along that he'd go in as a Chief
Dozerdog
07-19-2003, 06:34 PM
Besides, I really don't care if he chooses the Packers (if he has a choice)


Football is a business. Guys get traded/cut/retired in the best interests of the team. As long as a player doesn't blast the city, fans, & team when he leaves it's cool with me.

I'm sure it's tough for players like Joe D, Lofton, or other greats who played in multiple cities to be forced to "pick" one. It's like picking which of your children you "love" more.


Baseball sucks. I beleive the player can choose what team he goes in as, and it's all politics. I heard Wade Boggs might go in as a Tampa Bay Devil Ray due to his last contract.
The_Philster
07-19-2003, 06:35 PM
Actually, from http://www.profootballhof.com/ come a question and an answer about teams

Q: Is a new Hall of Fame member enshrined as a member of a team?

A: When elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame, an individual is recognized for his accomplishments as a player, coach, or contributor. As such, an enshrinee is not asked to "declare," nor does the Hall of Fame "choose" a team under which a new member is enshrined.
Dozerdog
07-19-2003, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by The_Philster


If that's the case, wouldn't Marcus Allen be one pissed off RB? He played longer for the Raiders but he's said all along that he'd go in as a Chief

Unlike baseball, the NFL doesn't put a logo on their busts or artist renditions. Baseball makes them pick because the bust has a baseball cap.

Players might state what "team" they go in as but their displays feature all the teams they played with
Dozerdog
07-19-2003, 06:38 PM
Good find, Phil!
The_Philster
07-19-2003, 06:48 PM
No prob...I'm keeping an eye on that site a lot considering I'll be there for inductions again....and with 2 Bills going in, it's gonna be great. :party: I'm just wondering if we're gonna score invites to the reception this year, like we did with Billy Shaw. :D

Originally posted by Dozerdog
I'm sure it's tough for players like Joe D, Lofton, or other greats who played in multiple cities to be forced to "pick" one. It's like picking which of your children you "love" more.

Nice comparison. Players who played with multiple teams have to make a choice that is bound to disappoint someone. Lofton likely just chose the team he was with the longest. He'll still get plenty of cheers from Bills fans after he gives his speech.
LtBillsFan66
07-19-2003, 08:38 PM
I think of Lofton as a Packer first and a Bill second. What's everyone so shocked about?
ublinkwescore
07-19-2003, 08:48 PM
didn't Lofton set the recieving yardage record as a Bill?

Didn't Lofton play in his only superbowls as a Bill?

Didn't Lofton have his best years in Red White and Blue?

I say the hell with Lofton if he chooses the Whackers over the Bills.
The_Philster
07-19-2003, 08:48 PM
Originally posted by billsfanone
I think of Lofton as a Packer first and a Bill second. What's everyone so shocked about?

:idunno:
LtBillsFan66
07-19-2003, 08:54 PM
He played his first 9 years as a Packer. He played 4 our of his last 5 years as a Bill. That makes him a Packer that played for the Bills. His best receiving years were in Green Bay.
BADTHINGSMAN
07-19-2003, 09:39 PM
If he goes in as a Packer thats great. Remember what he did in Buffalo. And Buffalo is a big reason why he will be in the HOF.

Also not 100% sure but wasnt Lofton a Raider as well?
Dozerdog
07-19-2003, 11:46 PM
Yes he was-
Dozerdog
07-19-2003, 11:48 PM
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ALIGN=CENTER>233</TH><TH>764</TH><TH>14,004</TH><TH>18.3</TH><TH>75</TH><TH>32</TH><TH>246</TH><TH>7.7</TH><TH>1</TH><TH>16</TH><TH>456</TH></TR></TABLE><BR><TABLE><TR ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=MIDDLE><TH ROWSPAN=2>Season</TH><TH ROWSPAN=2>Team(s)</TH><TH COLSPAN=4 BGCOLOR=#DFDFFF>Punt Ret.</TH><TH COLSPAN=4 BGCOLOR=#FFDFDF>Kick Ret.</TH><TR VALIGN=MIDDLE><TH>PR</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Avg</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>KR</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Avg</TH><TH>TD</TH></TR><TR ALIGN=RIGHT VALIGN=MIDDLE><TD ALIGN=CENTER>1978</TD><TD ALIGN=CENTER><A HREF="/football/pro/stats.nsf/Annual/1978-gb">GB</A></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0.0</TD><TD>0</TD><TR ALIGN=RIGHT VALIGN=MIDDLE><TH ALIGN=CENTER COLSPAN=2><I>Career</I></TH><TH>0</TH><TH>0</TH><TH>0.0</TH><TH>0</TH><TH>1</TH><TH>0</TH><TH>0.0</TH><TH>0</TH></TABLE><BR><TABLE><TR ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=MIDDLE><TH>Season</TH><TH>Team(s)</TH><TH ALIGN=LEFT>Other Stats</TH><TR ALIGN=RIGHT VALIGN=MIDDLE><TD ALIGN=CENTER>1978</TD><TD 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Dozerdog
07-20-2003, 12:16 AM
He also played for the Eagles for his last season
The_Philster
07-20-2003, 04:45 AM
As well as the Rams.
Historian
07-20-2003, 07:48 AM
A kid that works for me goes to the induction ceremonies every year. He also gets postcard size limited edition football cards of the enshrinees portraits in advance. He told me his cards came with Lofton as a Packer. This is in direct contradiction to what Lofton stated on the "Kids escaping drugs" Telethon a few years ago, on channel 2. When the question was posed, he indicated that he would go in as a Bill, because here is where he had all his success.
LtBillsFan66
07-20-2003, 08:55 AM
He had most of his success as a Packer.

He said he wanted to go in as a Bill a few years ago? Maybe he changed his mind1 Ever think of that? Does anyone here ever change their mind about anything?

http://www.profootballhof.com/index.cfm?section=team&cont_id=player&personnel_id=1279&roster_id=42&note_id=10299
The_Philster
07-20-2003, 09:28 AM
Besides that, that telethon was done in Buffalo. If he had done it in Green Bay, he might have said that he was going in as a
Packer.
ublinkwescore
07-20-2003, 10:17 AM
Oh well.

He may have had most of his success as a packer, but he went farther in the playoffs with the Bills, and we gave him the best chances at tasting superbowl victory in his career.