Tell me why we shouldn't trade for Foles?

[jpdex12]

Would you give up a 2nd rounder for him? He was a 3rd Rd pick. Give up a 2nd rounder only or give up a 3rd this year and conditional next year? I'm wondering if that would be enough?

With the minimal FA QBs out there, I'd give up either of the scenarios above to grab Foles and go to camp with EJ, Foles and Tuel.

Hundley in the 2nd Rd is interesting as well if no trade for Foles.

I'd expect this would be the year to get aggressive with any trades to set up this team with what we need to make a run. Normally we hear build through the draft but we are almost where we need to be right now. No time to develop picks...get who we need now.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I can understand why we'd want Foles, but don't know why Philly would give him up. Sanchez sucks, they have no chance at trading up for Mariota, and Foles' contract is less than a million a year.

[justasportsfan]

because he's Foles Gold ? :idunno:

[Pinkerton Security]

Foles really didnt play that well last year. Pitting his numbers against Ortons, he was on par with what Orton did.

I'd take Foles for sure, just not for a 2nd rounder.


<thead>
No.

Age
Pos
G
GS
QBrec
Cmp
Att
Cmp%
Yds
TD
TD%
Int
Int%
Lng
Y/A
AY/A
Y/C
Y/G
Rate
QBR
Sk
Yds
NY/A
ANY/A
Sk%
4QC
GWD

</thead><tbody>
18
Kyle Orton (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OrtoKy00.htm)
32
QB
12
12
7-5-0
287
447
64.2
3018
18
4.0
10
2.2
84
6.8
6.6
10.5
251.5
87.8
42.56
33
198
5.88
5.69
6.9
2
2


</tbody>


<thead>
No.

Age
Pos
G
GS
QBrec
Cmp
Att
Cmp%
Yds
TD
TD%
Int
Int%
Lng
Y/A
AY/A
Y/C
Y/G
Rate
QBR
Sk
Yds
NY/A
ANY/A
Sk%
4QC
GWD

</thead><tbody>
9
Nick Foles (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00.htm)
25
qb
8
8
6-2-0
186
311
59.8
2163
13
4.2
10
3.2
68
7.0
6.3
11.6
270.4
81.4
62.21
9
74
6.53
5.93
2.8
2
3

</tbody>

[stuckincincy]

because he's Foles Gold ? :idunno:


:D

[jpdex12]

seems like Philly was getting cold on Foles and could look to resign Sanchize. I know Sanchez didn't put up probowl numbers but he ran the offense fairly well. The media make is seem like Foles didn't appeal to Kelly...

[jpdex12]

If Foles played the entire season based on these 8 games he would have had 4000 yards and upwards to 30 TDs...that would have been better than Orton and imagine what that would have gotten us this season? A playoff birth!

[Pinkerton Security]

If Foles played the entire season based on these 8 games he would have had 4000 yards and upwards to 30 TDs...that would have been better than Orton and imagine what that would have gotten us this season? A playoff birth!

He would have had 26 TDs and 20 INTs (he had 13 and 10, respectively) in 8 games, and this is coming in a very QB-friendly offense. Orton had 3000 yards and 18 TDs in 12 games, so his 16 game numbers would have been 4000 yards and 24 TDs, in a very not-QB friendly system.

Again, Id take Foles, but he isnt THAT much of an upgrade and certainly isnt worth our first pick in the draft.

[YardRat]

Because continuously giving up future assets in an attempt to land even an average QB is an exercise in futility that almost always ends up in failure. Probably one of the main reasons (along with just piss-poor ability to identify and draft anybody at any position worth a damn for the most part) this team hasn't made the playoffs this century.

[jpdex12]

Why is it so damn hard for us to get a qb that works for us and helps get us into the playoffs?

[Gilly]

Had season tickets for 2 years and watched Foles play every week for AZ. He is the real deal and can make every throw.

His big flaw is lack of speed when running.

A second and third for him would be a steal.

[BillsImpossible]

Why is it so damn hard for us to get a qb that works for us and helps get us into the playoffs?

Because the Bills rarely draft quarterbacks.

[Mace]

He's 26 and I'd take a flyer on him in camp.

[Strongman]

If Foles played the entire season based on these 8 games he would have had 4000 yards and upwards to 30 TDs...that would have been better than Orton and imagine what that would have gotten us this season? A playoff birth!

That seems awfully generous with Hackett/Marrone calling the plays.

[HHURRICANE]

Philly is not giving Foles up....end of thread.

[swiper]

Foles really didnt play that well last year. Pitting his numbers against Ortons, he was on par with what Orton did.

I'd take Foles for sure, just not for a 2nd rounder.


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No.

Age
Pos
G
GS
QBrec
Cmp
Att
Cmp%
Yds
TD
TD%
Int
Int%
Lng
Y/A
AY/A
Y/C
Y/G
Rate
QBR
Sk
Yds
NY/A
ANY/A
Sk%
4QC
GWD


18
Kyle Orton (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OrtoKy00.htm)
32
QB
12
12
7-5-0
287
447
64.2
3018
18
4.0
10
2.2
84
6.8
6.6
10.5
251.5
87.8
42.56
33
198
5.88
5.69
6.9
2
2

</tbody>


<tbody>
No.

Age
Pos
G
GS
QBrec
Cmp
Att
Cmp%
Yds
TD
TD%
Int
Int%
Lng
Y/A
AY/A
Y/C
Y/G
Rate
QBR
Sk
Yds
NY/A
ANY/A
Sk%
4QC
GWD


9
Nick Foles (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FoleNi00.htm)
25
qb
8
8
6-2-0
186
311
59.8
2163
13
4.2
10
3.2
68
7.0
6.3
11.6
270.4
81.4
62.21
9
74
6.53
5.93
2.8
2
3

</tbody>


He was having a bad year, then he got hurt. Look at the prior year.

[Kenny]

He was having a bad year, then he got hurt. Look at the prior year.

Honestly, there's not enough history with Foles to just say that he was having an off year and the prior year(s) are what to expect. Wasnt the prior year his first as a starter? It could be that teams finally had enough tape and figured him out (I mean Orton looked pretty good right out of the gate... then we saw quite a drop in output)

[jamze132]

I would trade a 3rd for him but I can't see Philly accepting that.

[The King]

We don't have the assets to spare… end of story.

[trapezeus]

he seems a little frail...work into the equation our line issues. they can be resolved, but is he better suited to the chip kelly offense or a traditional offense? I'm not sure.

i think a foles type qb can be found later in the draft for cheaper. In a draft where we've given up a 1st and 4th for other players, lets keep what we have and draft more players for depth.

The Bills have to ride this year with EJ and a FA vet. if they really fail, then they'll have the position to get a qb.

and i believe from previous years, it's too hard to know what the qb class will be like until like October/November. There have been years where people are all excited for barkley and then by the draft him and all the other qb's have tanked.

i know there is some hatred for EJ, but he is what he is. a project. and a project isn't going to perform well in a brain dead offense. a project can work out sufficiently if t he game planning is top notch. and that's what we hope to have in greg roman.

[GreedoII]

I would take Foles for sure. Still draft a kid too. Keep adding QB's. Foles can be given a year and see what he does.

[better days]

I would take Foles for sure. Still draft a kid too. Keep adding QB's. Foles can be given a year and see what he does.

I think most Bills fans would take Foles if the price were right, as in just about nothing.

But how much would you give up for him?

[GreedoII]

I think most Bills fans would take Foles if the price were right, as in just about nothing.

But how much would you give up for him?

3rd rounder this year and 4th next year and take his salary.

[better days]

3rd rounder this year and 4th next year and take his salary.

Well, if you are going to give up a 3rd & a 4th for Foles, you better sign him to a new long term contract which will be much more than his current salary.

[TacklingDummy]

Because the Bills rarely draft quarterbacks.

The Bills rarely draft a great QB.

Can only name 1. Jim Kelly.

[Ed]

Foles is still a pretty big unknown. If we're talking about trading away valuable draft picks I want a better idea of what we're getting. We already have a young unknown in EJ. I'd rather just role the dice with EJ this year and improve the offense around him. If he fails then look at trade options next year. We're already low on draft picks as it is and I don't want to see this team keep trading away future picks.

[better days]

The Bills rarely draft a great QB.

Can only name 1. Jim Kelly.

I would add Daryle Lamonica drafted in the 24th rnd in the 1963 draft by the Bills.

[WagonCircler]

I would add Daryle Lamonica drafted in the 24th rnd in the 1963 draft by the Bills.

LeMonica barely qualifies as good. I'm not even sure that he does.

Calling him great is preposterous.

[better days]

LeMonica barely qualifies as good. I'm not even sure that he does.

Calling him great is preposterous.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Are you old enough to remember watching him play?

Google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT in those searches.

[justasportsfan]

Who we've drafted or what the bills have done in the past no longer counts since the Pegulas are new owners.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I don't understand the idea that we shouldn't trade for Foles because we have other holes to fill. QB is one of those holes, and it might be the biggest hole. If you don't think Foles specifically is worth trading for, say that.

[swiper]

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Are you old enough to remember watching him play?

Google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT in those searches.

You ARE an idiot. He was called the mad bomber, because those were the only passes he could occasionally complete. He WAS NOT a good QB. Nor did anyone then consider him to be. Especially as a Bill. And yes I saw him play. You IDIOT.

[swiper]

I don't understand the idea that we shouldn't trade for Foles because we have other holes to fill. QB is one of those holes, and it might be the biggest hole. If you don't think Foles specifically is worth trading for, say that.

2013 - Foles 64% cmp pct (#8 in NFL) - 27 TD/2 INT.

Look at this, then say that: http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/completionPct/year/2013

[WagonCircler]

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Are you old enough to remember watching him play?

Google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT in those searches.

Not great:

Pass attempts 2,601
Pass completions 1,288
Percentage 49.5
TD–INT 164–138
Passing Yards 19,154
QB Rating 72.9

[WagonCircler]

You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

Are you old enough to remember watching him play?

Google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT in those searches.

Since we're counting Non-NFL professional leagues, Jim Kelly passed for over twice as many yards as LaMonica.

Career Yards
LaMonica: 19,154
Kelly: 40,695

You don't get to be called great when numerous QBs have doubled your career yardage.

[better days]

You ARE an idiot. He was called the mad bomber, because those were the only passes he could occasionally complete. He WAS NOT a good QB. Nor did anyone then consider him to be. Especially as a Bill. And yes I saw him play. You IDIOT.

You are an IDIOT. Lamonica was called the mad bomber because he threw the BEST long ball in maybe the History of the NFL.

And if you saw him play, tell me how old you are for the sake of this discussion. I will be 64 in March & I was only 9-10 years old when Lamonica played for the Bills.

[better days]

And Lamonica got the nickname mad bomber from Howard Cossell because he was so proficient at throwing long TD's.

Lamonica threw 30 TD's in 1967 & 34 TD's in 1969 for the Raiders. 148 TD passes as a RAIDER, second only to Ken Stabler who had 150 TD's.

And this was in the era when a CB could mug a WR all the way down the field. There was no 5 yd rule. And HOLDING was called on the OL which were not allowed to use their hands at all.

Like I said google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT associated with him.

[WagonCircler]

Like I said google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT associated with him.

Only by people who ignore facts.

Did the Pro Football Hall of Fame consider him great? No.

[swiper]

Google Lamonica & you will see the term GREAT in those searches.

'Nuff said. ROFL.

"Google" him? Seems you don't trust your own memory anymore.

Lamonica was awful as a Bill. He threw a lot of passes as a Raider - but that did not make him "great". (Stabler was great).

The only two facts you need to know about Daryl Lamonica to sum up his career:

His completion % never was > 53%. He threw a lot of BAD passes. A lot. All the time.

And, as a result, he was an INT machine.

[swiper]

Since we're counting Non-NFL professional leagues

No "we're" not. They don't matter. Maybe he is. But he has proven many times that he isn't smart.

[better days]

Not great:

Pass attempts 2,601
Pass completions 1,288
Percentage 49.5
TD–INT 164–138
Passing Yards 19,154
QB Rating 72.9

TOTAL BS to try & use stats to say Lamonica was not good.

Those stats don't look good by todays numbers, but in the era he played in they were good.

Like I said did you ever watch Lamonica play & if so, how old were you at the time? How old are you today?

As I said before, Google Lamonica & you will see GREAT mentioned with his name.

It is OBVIOUS Swiper & you have no clue what you are talking about, look it up.

[better days]

Only by people who ignore facts.

Did the Pro Football Hall of Fame consider him great? No.

There are a lot of great players that are not in the HOF, especially players that played much of their career in the AFL.

The fact is Lamonica was great & football was a DIFFERENT game back than than it is today so you can't use stats & measure them by todays standards.

[justasportsfan]

There's a buyer beware tag on Foles when Chip Kelly doesn't want him inspite of a huge shortage of good qb's in the NFL.

It's not like Kelly has a better option on his roster . Kelly is an O coach as well. If it were Jauron then I'd wonder, but this is Kelly.