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  • Strongman
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    • Apr 2006
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    Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red Flags

    BOSTON (CBS) — On this episode of “As The DeflateGate Turns” …
    Yes, Thursday marks Day 32 of the never-ending saga known as “DeflateGate,” and there were some developments. No, they don’t match up to Wednesday’s bananas back-and-forth, ESPN-on-ESPN crime, but they are nevertheless significant (relatively speaking).
    The Colts Alerted The NFL In The Days Leading Up To The AFC Championship Game That The Patriots Might Use Underinflated Footballs
    Colts general manager Ryan Grigson spoke to the media at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis on Thursday, and he admitted that the Colts had a hunch that the Patriots liked to use underinflated footballs. So, the Colts told the NFL to be on alert for such an infraction during the AFC Championship Game.
    The Boston Herald’s Jeff Howe has Grigson’s quote: “Earlier that week prior to the AFC Championship Game, we notified the league about our concern. We went into the game. We had some issues, but we’re going to do what we can and that’s participate with the league in the investigation and wait until the Wells report comes out. We really have no other recourse but to wait until that investigation comes about. … We had concerns just like any general manager would do, wants their team to play on a level playing field. We took the proper steps to try to ensure that. It’s up to the league to make sure that happens. If the rules were broken, we’ll see. If not, that’s what the investigation is for. But again, we’re just doing our jobs and trying to ensure we give our team the best chance to win in a level playing field.”
    Grigson responded to all related questions on the matter by deferring to the ongoing investigation by Ted Wells.
    Grigson’s admission raises two key questions. First, what made the Colts believe the Patriots used underinflated footballs? Were they tipped off by the Ravens, as some have suggested, or did they first notice it back in their November matchup in Indy, as others have said?
    The bigger question, though, is this: What did the NFL do after the Colts alerted them to this concern?
    If the NFL did nothing and instead operated on “high alert” during the game, was it a sting operation? Did the league (namely, Mike Kensil) want to catch the Patriots in the midst of some felonious behavior instead of issuing a warning ahead of time? And if it’s the former, wouldn’t the cluster that Adam Schefter reported this week make the NFL look awfully bad in this whole thing?
    Which brings us to the second revelation from Thursday.
    The Patriots Actually Alerted Officials To Some Suspicious Activity Involving The Footballs During The AFC Championship Game
    The leaks continue to spring from the league’s investigation, with this one coming from Pro Football Talk.
    The website reported that the NFL employee who got caught stealing balls and selling them for personal profit is named Scott Miller. PFT explained that when it comes time to use a special teams ball, the kickers prefer the “K1″ ball, which is really just the kicking ball which they were able to manipulate to their liking the best they could in their limited time with the ball before the game.
    So after the Patriots scored the game’s first touchdown — a 1-yard run by LeGarrette Blount — the Patriots noticed that the K1 ball was not brought out for the PAT. So the Patriots asked the officials where the K1 ball went, and they began tracking it down. At that point, Miller realized people were onto him, so he brought the ball back to the field area.
    “Video does not exist of Miller giving the football he had taken to [Patriots employee Jim] McNally, but it’s possible to infer that Miller gave the same football to McNally that McNally then tried to give to the game officials,” Mike Florio wrote.
    McNally, you’ll remember, is the man who was vilified on Wednesday due to a premature and incomplete Outside The Lines report, only to be saved later in the day by Schefter. Like Florio noted, there’s apparently no video evidence connecting Miller to McNally, but it’s not too difficult to connect A to B in this case.
    This bit of news, just like Grigson’s comments, raise questions. Apparently, Miller had been stealing balls to sell for his own personal profit for quite some time. Was the league aware of this? If so, why was he working the AFC Championship Game, when officials were already on high alert due to the Colts’ telling the league about the Patriots?
    And if the Patriots had tampered with the footballs, why would they alert the officials to some foul play during the game?
    Oh, and one more — how much more DeflateGate can the world take? Based on the past few days and weeks, the soap opera may never end.
    Read more from Michael Hurley by clicking here. You can email him or find him on Twitter @michaelFhurley.


  • Meathead
    Insufferable ***** and perpetual crybaby
    • Jul 2002
    • 21349

    #2
    Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

    what is the cluster that schefter reported this week
    One set of rules for all in the beloved community

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    • BillsImpossible
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      • Mar 2013
      • 16206

      #3
      Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

      Sports opera conspiracy theory. Out of all the rabbit holes to go down, this is the last.

      The NFL wants to divert peoples attention away from the fact that their part time referees suck balls.

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      • Strongman
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        • Apr 2006
        • 763

        #4
        Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

        The NFL confirmed that Ryan Grigson alerted the NFL before the game.

        General manager Ryan Grigson confirmed for the first time that the Colts alerted the NFL as to concerns over deflated Patriots footballs before the AFC title game. Does Grigson want the Pats punished?



        A lot of the confusion is due to the Boston media who is trying to spin the story to make it look like a conspiracy.

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        • Spartacus
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          • Mar 2003
          • 54113

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          Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F



          I TOLD you guys, and you're still shoving your fingers in your ears and going "Naaaah, naaaah, I can't hear you!"

          Like I said, HOW DOES GRIGSON HAVE "SUSPICIONS" ABOUT THE PAT'S FOOTBALLS?

          And the guy ADMITS that he USED it to try to givwe his team an edge - gamesmanship, in other words.

          Wallow in your ignorance boys, it looks good on you.

          Do the Pat's inflate their footballs to 12.5 as required? Absolutely.

          Are they innocent of everything else? Absolutely.

          Lynch mobs.

          Ya gotta love 'em...
          My tebya razdavim

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          • Spartacus
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            • Mar 2003
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            Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

            If Grigson raised suspicions about under-inflated footballs, is he above making sure that at least ONE turned out that way?

            How convenient it turned out to be the ball the Colts had for 20 minutes...
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            • YardRat
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              • Dec 2004
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              #7
              Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

              It doesn't really matter how Grigson became suspicious if it was either from their previous meeting or a tip from the Ravens, the only way it matters in a specific context is if the Colts intentionally set the Patriots up, which is highly implausible. Also, assuring the game is played on as equal terms as possible, which is the basis of the spirit of competition, is completely different than trying to gain an 'edge' through skirting the rules. How ****ing dumb does somebody have to be to put forth an argument that attempting to stop someone from cheating and assure the game is played within the rules is itself 'cheating' and expecting that argument to actually have any credibility?

              Now we know the reason why the investigation is taking so long, and that's because there is a **** ton more dirt behind the story than originally thought and the league itself is actually involved. Gee...Goodell and Kraft caught cheating at the same time at a Patriot's game, what a shocker.
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              • Bill Cody
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                • Sep 2004
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                Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                It doesn't really matter how Grigson became suspicious
                It might. Assuming this clown car actually yields any actual evidence of what actually happened of course. There are 3 possibilities: 1) NE warranted suspicion because for a long time, maybe years if you believe the "no fumbles" crowd, they've had an employee or employees take air out of footballs to gain an edge (and no one ever caught them) 2) NE warranted suspicion because Tom Brady prefers a slightly low ball and the refs don't actually really check the balls very carefully (my theory) or 3) Indy and Baltimore are bitter rivals of NE. They lose more than they win. They knew Tom Brady liked a ball on the low side and decided to set him up. You say this is implausible. I would say it's FAR less implausible than possibility #1

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                • Bill Cody
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                  • Sep 2004
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                  Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                  Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                  Now we know the reason why the investigation is taking so long
                  OR if you believe Mr. Grigson who says he told the league his suspicions DAYS before the game and the league chose to not warn NE but instead tried to "sting" them and potentially scandalize the AFC championship game. But is this true? It seems far fetched the league would try to bag NE over something as small as ball air pressure in such a big game. And if they were trying to bag NE in the act would they really not document the pre game PSI's of the footballs? That's strange to say the least, no? So maybe the delay is the league trying to figure out how to spin what they did or did not do.
                  Last edited by Bill Cody; 02-19-2015, 09:09 PM.

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                  • Strongman
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                    • Apr 2006
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                    #10
                    Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                    If Grigson raised suspicions about under-inflated footballs, is he above making sure that at least ONE turned out that way?

                    How convenient it turned out to be the ball the Colts had for 20 minutes...
                    There is nothing suspicious about it at all. Teams often alert officials before a game of things they want the refs to look for. Like when the Jets asked the officials to watch the Cheatriots pushing off of each other on field goals.
                    The New York Jets' coaching staff let game officials know that the New England Patriots were using an illegal strategy on field-goal attempts. Is that what Rex Ryan credits for the Jets' win?

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                    • YardRat
                      Well, lookie here...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86315

                      #11
                      Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                      Originally posted by Bill Cody View Post
                      It might. Assuming this clown car actually yields any actual evidence of what actually happened of course. There are 3 possibilities: 1) NE warranted suspicion because for a long time, maybe years if you believe the "no fumbles" crowd, they've had an employee or employees take air out of footballs to gain an edge (and no one ever caught them) 2) NE warranted suspicion because Tom Brady prefers a slightly low ball and the refs don't actually really check the balls very carefully (my theory) or 3) Indy and Baltimore are bitter rivals of NE. They lose more than they win. They knew Tom Brady liked a ball on the low side and decided to set him up. You say this is implausible. I would say it's FAR less implausible than possibility #1
                      Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree...I think it's far more likely #1 or #2 is credible, especially considering Brady lobbied to change the rule for away games.
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                      • YardRat
                        Well, lookie here...
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 86315

                        #12
                        Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                        Originally posted by Bill Cody View Post
                        OR if you believe Mr. Grigson who says he told the league his suspicions DAYS before the game and the league chose to not warn NE but instead tried to "sting" them and potentially scandalize the AFC championship game. But is this true? It seems far fetched the league would try to bag NE over something as small as ball air pressure in such a big game. And if they were trying to bag NE in the act would they really not document the pre game PSI's of the footballs? That's strange to say the least, no? So maybe the delay is the league trying to figure out how to spin what they did or did not do.
                        If any of the new reports are true, than during the process the league itself also has been implicated, and my intent was to imply that's a possibility that's exactly what is happening, the league is trying to spin their involvement, so we kind of agree there.
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                        • DraftBoy
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #13
                          Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                          People really still care about this?
                          COMING SOON...
                          Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                          We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                          • Spartacus
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                            • Mar 2003
                            • 54113

                            #14
                            Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                            It doesn't really matter how Grigson became suspicious if it was either from their previous meeting or a tip from the Ravens, the only way it matters in a specific context is if the Colts intentionally set the Patriots up, which is highly implausible.
                            It doesn't matter?

                            It only matters if the Colts set the Pats up and THAT'S HIGHLY IMPLAUSIBLE?

                            Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            Why is it highly plausible the Patriots the Patriots intentionally cheated but it;s highly IMPLAUSIBLE that the Colts cheated?

                            Because the Colts made the initial accusation?

                            Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            You Patriot haters are a hoot.

                            No wonder you invaded Iraq.
                            My tebya razdavim

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                            • Spartacus
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 54113

                              #15
                              Re: Latest In DeflateGate: Colts Alerted NFL Prior To Game, But Patriots Raised Red F

                              Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                              People really still care about this?
                              I'm sure this will more and more become the prevailing attitude as it becomes more apparent the Pats are innocent.

                              No one ever wants to admit being part of a mob that was ready to hang an innocent black guy for something he didn't do...
                              My tebya razdavim

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