Can The Bills Trade Leodis McKelvin?

[BillsImpossible]

Leodis has a $4.9 million cap hit in 2015 and 2016.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/leodis-mckelvin/

McKelvin turns 30 in early September and will become an UFA in 2017.

$4.9 million is cheap for teams in desperate need of a legitimate starting cornerback.

Corey Graham proved last year that he can replace Leodis McKelvin.

Graham won the season opener in Chicago playing out of his mind great against the Bears.

Then he had another great game against Miami and the Bills were 2-0.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/10611/corey-graham

A week later, Marrone and Schwartz effectively benched him for some unknown reason that still lingers and wreaks like limburger cheese.

Graham turns 30 years old in July.

Corey Graham has a $4.45 million cap hit in 2015, $4.675 million cap hit in 2016, and $4.775 million cap hit in 2017 and becomes an UFA in 2018.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/corey-graham/

What's Leodis McKelvin worth on the open NFL market?

[Skooby]

Ummmm, why would we do this ??

[coastal]

Can you ban yourself from ever posting in this or any other forum again?

[BillsImpossible]

Can you ban yourself from ever posting in this or any other forum again?

Oh come on, coastal.

You would have said the same damned thing if I suggested trading Kiko 7 days ago.

[Skooby]

Oh come on, coastal.

You would have said the same damned thing if I suggested trading Kiko 7 days ago.

No one expected something like this to come together, it happened in 20 minutes.

[BillsImpossible]

Ummmm, why would we do this ??

Because Graham is the better player that costs less, and is signed through the 2017 season.

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No one expected something like this to come together, it happened in 20 minutes.

That's life, literally.

Most of us were created in about 20 minutes.

[Skooby]

Because Graham is the better player that costs less, and is signed through the 2017 season.

McKelvin also handles special teams work for us, returning the ball. People forget where people play all the time & what they do. How were the Bills special teams last season ??

[BillsOwnAll]

Oh come on, coastal.

You would have said the same damned thing if I suggested trading Kiko 7 days ago.

Yah but we wouldn't get nearly the talent like McCoy for mckelvin. I'd rather have mckelvin then some mid round pick who could be cut in training camp.

[Skooby]

Because Graham is the better player that costs less, and is signed through the 2017 season.

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That's life, literally.

Most of us were created in about 20 minutes.

Coastal was born in a greyhound bus on US 41.

[BillsImpossible]

McKelvin also handles special teams work for us, returning the ball. People forget where people play all the time & what they do. How were the Bills special teams last season ??

Special teams were great last year, but I don't recall McKelvin having anything to do with that.

All I remember is his fumble against the Patriots and then his lawn got torched.

[coastal]

Coastal was born in a greyhound bus on US 41.
By a mobile home park in Northport, Fl no less!

[BillsImpossible]

Yah but we wouldn't get nearly the talent like McCoy for mckelvin. I'd rather have mckelvin then some mid round pick who could be cut in training camp.

Player for player trades are very rare in the NFL.

I'm talking a draft pick or two. It would be nice to have an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick next year to trade up if need be.

[SpikedLemonade]

McKelvin is going to have a great career after his football playing days as a public speaker or on the radio reading for the blind.

[Skooby]

By a mobile home park in Northport, Fl no less!

You're a rambling man, so I'll have to find a Northport song somewhere.

[Mace]

Nothing much will surprise me anymore this offseason.

[Skooby]

McKelvin is going to have a great career after his football playing days as a public speaker or on the radio reading for the blind.

When then we should trade him, LOL.

[Ginger Vitis]

Player for player trades are very rare in the NFL.

I'm talking a draft pick or two. It would be nice to have an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick next year to trade up if need be.


They wouldn't get a 2nd Round pick for McKelvin.. The Bills are trying to the playoffs in 2015 they don't give a **** right now about trading up in the 2016 draft

[BillsImpossible]

They wouldn't get a 2nd Round pick for McKelvin.. The Bills are trying to the playoffs in 2015 they don't give a **** right now about trading up in the 2016 draft

I like your tenacity, Ginger Vitis.

What's McKelvin worth in this year's draft?

I think McMumbles is worth at least a 3rd round draft pick.

Would you take another 3rd rounder in 2015 in exchange for LM?

I would, and the only reason why is because Corey Graham is a Buffalo Bill.

[Mace]

They wouldn't get a 2nd Round pick for McKelvin.. The Bills are trying to the playoffs in 2015 they don't give a **** right now about trading up in the 2016 draft

Might be able to get Alonso back for him if we throw in some picks.

[Ginger Vitis]

Would you take another 3rd rounder in 2015 in exchange for LM?



No

[BillsImpossible]

No

I knew you had a crush on him.

[BillsOwnAll]

Player for player trades are very rare in the NFL.

I'm talking a draft pick or two. It would be nice to have an extra 2nd or 3rd round pick next year to trade up if need be. why tear apart the best unit on the team? Maybe Ryan will have gramhm start and leodis can come off the bench? How
Many times has this team not had viable backups?

[Downinfloflo]

Yah but we wouldn't get nearly the talent like McCoy for mckelvin. I'd rather have mckelvin then some mid round pick who could be cut in training camp.

That was luck, Not VALUE!!

Chip wanted McCoy out, Bills happened to have a guy he coached in college.

[cookie G]

Can we trade him for Joe Flacco?

That's who we should have drafted in teh first place.

[Shady25]

Kiko thinks trading Leodis for anything other then a 2nd rounder would be silly..

Buffalo does have Robey and Graham but Leodis can definitely play #2 with Gilmore, he has improved every year since his rookie year.

[BillsOwnAll]

That was luck, Not VALUE!!

Chip wanted McCoy out, Bills happened to have a guy he coached in college.
Call it what you may, the point still remains mckelvin is worth more to us then a Mid round pick.

[YardRat]

With McKelvin we have three guys (him, Gilmore and Graham) that can step in and play the top two spots, plus a solid nickel in Robey. Cockrell and/or Butler should move up in place of Brooks. That gives us six that can play, maybe add a rookie or cheap FA, but I wouldn't deal McKelvin. FWIW, I'd re-sign Thigpen anyway and relieve Leodis of return duties.

[Mr. Pink]

McKelvin is worth a box of practice tees.

Who the hell is gonna trade for him and give up anything for him?

[Downinfloflo]

Call it what you may, the point still remains mckelvin is worth more to us then a Mid round pick.

I don't want to see him go.

[GreedoII]

just cut him and get more space. He's not that good anyway

[mightysimi]

just cut him and get more space. He's not that good anyway

I thought he has turned the corner the last 2 years. He was our leader in interceptions in only 11 games. Why throw that away for nothing?

[stuckincincy]

Leodis has a $4.9 million cap hit in 2015 and 2016.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/leodis-mckelvin/
McKelvin turns 30 in early September and will become an UFA in 2017.
$4.9million is cheap for teams in desperate need of a legitimate starting cornerback.
Corey Graham proved last year that he can replace Leodis McKelvin.
Graham won the season opener in Chicago playing out of his mind great against the Bears.
Then he had another great game against Miami and the Bills were 2-0.
[ul]http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/10611/corey-graham[/url]
A week later, Marrone and Schwartz effectively benched him for some unknown reason that still lingers and wreaks like limburger cheese.
Graham turns 30 years old in July.
Corey Graham has a $4.45 million cap hit in 2015, $4.675 million cap hit in 2016, and $4.775 million cap hit in 2017 and becomes an UFA in 2018.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/corey-graham/
What's Leodis McKelvin worth on the open NFL market?

You raise an interesting topic. McK sort of reminds me of CIN's TE Gresham - both picked #1 in the 1st half of their draft classes, and both really not justifying their selection positions.

McK's contract won't be bought by any team via a trade. I can't see BUF just dumping him - he's a fair CB, is decent in the return game, and who do they have in the pipeline to replace him?

[BillsOwnAll]

Do you not remember the last 15 years of the bills not having a legit Corner after McGee got hurt every year? Good teams have depth.. It's actually nice having a few respectable corners on the team

[BertSquirtgum]

Mckelvin good. Keep Mckelvin.

[streetkings01]

You can never have enough corners...........why create a hole when our backup corners are Brooks, Robey and Cockrell?

[SpikedLemonade]

McKelvin finally played some good football last year on a reasonable contract.

Why get rid of him?

I imagine his return opportunities will be drastically reduced this year.

[zone]

Man this board is borderline worthless but for some reason I still look and it.

[Mace]

McKelvin finally played some good football last year on a reasonable contract.

Why get rid of him?

I imagine his return opportunities will be drastically reduced this year.

He honestly played his best in Pettine's Ryan scheme.

Still, nothing much would surprise me this offseason. No more returns though. Please no more returns, he could hurt himself.

[better days]

McKelvin signed a contract that was more than fair to the Bills to remain a Buffalo Bill.

McKelvin wanted to remain a Buffalo Bill.

What kind of message would it send to the other players when their contact is up to trade McKelvin now?

Why should any Bills player resign with Buffalo if they KNOW the Bills will just turn around & trade them?

[jimmifli]

He's played well for 3 years in a row and is somehow still improving. He's going to be the 32nd highest paid CB in the league this year, the guys ahead of him are:


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Jimmy Smith (http://overthecap.com/player/jimmy-smith/1382/)
Ravens (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/baltimore-ravens/)
$6,898,000
$6,898,000


Prince Amukamara (http://overthecap.com/player/prince-amukamara/891/)
Giants (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-york-giants/)
$6,898,000
$6,898,000


Tramon Williams (http://overthecap.com/player/tramon-williams/1138/)
Browns (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/)
$6,500,000
$7,500,000


Davon House (http://overthecap.com/player/davon-house/1099/)
Jaguars (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/jacksonville-jaguars/)
$6,500,000
$9,000,000


Cortland Finnegan (http://overthecap.com/player/cortland-finnegan/1316/)
Dolphins (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins/)
$6,475,000
$5,475,000


Greg Toler (http://overthecap.com/player/greg-toler/1780/)
Colts (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/indianapolis-colts/)
$5,833,334
$5,500,000


Brandon Browner (http://overthecap.com/player/brandon-browner/1532/)
Patriots (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-england-patriots/)
$5,500,000
$5,500,000


Jerraud Powers (http://overthecap.com/player/jerraud-powers/1030/)
Cardinals (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/arizona-cardinals/)
$5,350,000
$4,350,000


Tim Jennings (http://overthecap.com/player/tim-jennings/154/)
Bears (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/chicago-bears/)
$5,250,000
$4,500,000


Morris Claiborne (http://overthecap.com/player/morris-claiborne/649/)
Cowboys (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/)
$5,175,069
$2,607,887


Leodis McKelvin (http://overthecap.com/player/leodis-mckelvin/1736/)
Bills (http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/)
$4,900,000
$3,900,000

</tbody>
I think he compares favourably to most on that list. And more importantly, it's really hard to find guys of that calibre, even harder if you will be signing them to be the 3rd CB. We have 3 CBs that can start, and two that can rock the slot.

[Topas]

Kiko thinks trading Leodis for anything other then a 2nd rounder would be silly..

Buffalo does have Robey and Graham but Leodis can definitely play #2 with Gilmore, he has improved every year since his rookie year.

Rofl. Did you miss that you changed your name ... ;)

[Dr. Lecter]

McKelvin has been very, very good the last 2-3 years. In fact, over that time he's probably been the Bills best corner (although Gilmore would've been if not for his injury that he played through)

Trading him makes no sense. None. They have some nice CB depth with Gilmore and McKelvin starting and Graham off the bench with Robley in the slot.

Why move him?

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I know this is something started by that wrg-soon-to-be-on-tv nerd Joe B and picked up by some of his listeners. There was really no other reason other than people remebered his fumbles in NE, and who is shy-away from the media people here.

For my money, the Bills got a steal in his last contract. I'd rather cut some other secondary members (including Graham) before I cut him.

Just as the league has made passing offense more prominant, the trend in defense has been stud corners. Look at the top teams in NFL period, all have multiple good corners. It's not a coincidence that NE got back to Championship level when they had two top corners last year. Do I need to mention Seattle?

Think about, pass rush is important, but top level QB can find away to avoid the rush. Corners really play against QB's target more than figuring out beating the QB. Which is like tying up QB's arrms.

McKelvin IS a Jauron draftee, and he was mis-used in those cover 2 schemes. When the Bills moved to man-to-man, he starts to make a lot more plays. Leave him alone.

[Joe Fo Sho]

McKelvin has been very, very good the last 2-3 years. In fact, over that time he's probably been the Bills best corner (although Gilmore would've been if not for his injury that he played through)

Trading him makes no sense. None. They have some nice CB depth with Gilmore and McKelvin starting and Graham off the bench with Robley in the slot.

Why move him?

Exactly.

The thread began with the idea that McKelvin should be traded because is cap hit is $4.9 mil. I think we should be happy that our starting corner is as good as McKelvin and is ONLY costing us $4.9 million for the next 2 years.

[jimmifli]

McKelvin IS a Jauron draftee, and he was mis-used in those cover 2 schemes. When the Bills moved to man-to-man, he starts to make a lot more plays.
He's been very good in zone as well. Maybe even better.

I think his problem early in his career was that he didn't understand zone. I suspect he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer and just took a few years to get the hang of it. But he does really well watching the QB and breaking on the receiver. He's a really good corner, had he been a second round pick we'd be really happy with his career. And the contract he signed is what you'd expect for a 2nd round pick that becomes a solid starter.

I'm with you, I don't get the continued hate.

[Jry44]

Because Graham is the better player that costs less, and is signed through the 2017 season.

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That's life, literally.

Most of us were created in about 20 minutes.


This number seems awfully high...

[Meathead]

got melon for brains but its finally clicked for him. more good cbs equals less marcia blitzing. hard to imagine youd get enough value to want to lose that

[Buffalo Billy Bison]

McKelvin proved he wasn't, or couldn't play CB b/c he couldn't cover WR deep and leap to the balls highest point! That being said, he conducted himself quite well as a safety and wouldn't mind another year or two out of him or when he proves he can't do a quality job!

[stuckincincy]

McKelvin proved he wasn't, or couldn't play CB b/c he couldn't cover WR deep and leap to the balls highest point! That being said, he as acquitted himself as a safety and wouldn't mind another year or two out of him or when he proves he can do a quality job!

They would be dumb not to keep him.

[Dr. Lecter]

McKelvin proved he wasn't, or couldn't play CB b/c he couldn't cover WR deep and leap to the balls highest point! That being said, he conducted himself quite well as a safety and wouldn't mind another year or two out of him or when he proves he can't do a quality job!
He's never played safety.

[Topas]

Good grief. Sometimes I ask myself, why I bother reading this board. This thread is an epic failure.

First somebody suggests that McKelvin should be traded. Then somebody says he performed well at Safety. And on top of that Shady forgets that he is annoying us as Shady and he is not anymore annoying us as Kiko. I definitely need to get a life.
September cant come soon enough...

[Historian]

Keep him, as he has some of the best closing speed I've ever seen.

Just buy him one of those 3rd grade math and English workbooks they have at Borders.

:idunno:

[sukie]

That was luck, Not VALUE!!

Chip wanted McCoy out, Bills happened to have a guy he coached in college.

Since we have no first... After round 3 should we load up on Ducks for the next offseason deal-o-rama with Philly?