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BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 06:19 PM
Two very interesting articles related to trading Drew Brees.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12434113/why-new-orleans-saints-consider-trading-drew-brees-nfl
The case for trading Drew BreesHow Saints could become the first 'tanking' test case in the NFL
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1096246-saints-should-trade-brees-and-build-for-the-future
New Orleans Saints Should Trade Drew Brees and Build for the Future
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$23 million is too rich for me, but that's what it would cost the Bills to land Brees, and a 2016 first round draft pick.
If the Bills are seriously going all in on the, "Win Now," approach, why not throw a boatload of money at Brees, give up their 1st rounder in 2016 and make a run at the Super Bowl?
They would be instant Super Bowl contenders.
BertSquirtgum
03-10-2015, 06:21 PM
**** him. He is not worth that much money. No one is.
X-Era
03-10-2015, 06:21 PM
So, before Pegula this would be blasted with "you're high" responses. But now it feels like there is no limit to what we might do...
So do we collectively go with "you're drunk"?
The thing is, they are going all in on being a running team to win now. QB is not their focus. You can't pay that much money and not intend to ride his arm as far as it takes you.
SpikedLemonade
03-10-2015, 06:25 PM
Brees would be killed behind our OL.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 06:29 PM
So, before Pegula this would be blasted with "you're high" responses. But now it feels like there is no limit to what we might do...
So do we collectively go with "you're drunk"?
With money no longer a factor, is giving up a 2016 1st round pick worth it?
I think it is, because there's no guarantee with a rookie QB.
Hall of Fame QB?
Go for it.
X-Era
03-10-2015, 06:33 PM
With money no longer a factor, is giving up a 2016 1st round pick worth it?
I think it is, because there's no guarantee with a rookie QB.
Hall of Fame QB?
Go for it.I would not give up a 1st for Brees at 36 years old. Sorry.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 06:34 PM
Brees would be killed behind our OL.
I've no doubt the Bills will sign at least one free agent lineman.
NightTrain was right when he said the draft is deep with quality lineman, unlike last year.
SpikedLemonade
03-10-2015, 06:38 PM
I've no doubt the Bills will sign at least one free agent lineman.
NightTrain was right when he said the draft is deep with quality lineman, unlike last year.
Starting a rookie OL in a very good established OL will work. Last year, we started a rookie OL on a poor OL and it initially looked good and was crap by seasons end.
Starting 2 rookie OLs that neither were drafted in the 1st round on a poor OL would be a disaster.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 06:42 PM
I would not give up a 1st for Brees at 36 years old. Sorry.
Tom Brady turns 38 in August, and Peyton Manning turns 39 in a couple weeks.
Drew Brees just turned 36 in January.
I think he's got at least 2 or 3 very good years left.
Embrace the, "tank," Saints!
Just a little ironic.
If the Bills signed Brees, the team would get about $10 million in free media advertising in less than 2 days.
The Bills would be front and center on the NFL stage, and no doubt would get at least 3 prime time games next year.
The contract would pay for itself, and put the Bills back on the map in one fell swoop.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 06:48 PM
Starting a rookie OL in a very good established OL will work. Last year, we started a rookie OL on a poor OL and it initially looked good and was crap by seasons end.
Starting 2 rookie OLs that neither were drafted in the 1st round on a poor OL would be a disaster.
I think Marrone had a lot to do with the o-line problems last year. I remember hearing how Marrone would spend a lot of time with the o-line in practice, and got in the way of Morris doing his job. Marrone's heavy handed approach rubbed a lot of players the wrong way, and his main point of emphasis suffered as a result.
I've no doubt the Bills will sign at least one free agent lineman.
NightTrain was right when he said the draft is deep with quality lineman, unlike last year.
They're making a running game line, not a 40 attempts per game pass protection line though.
The Bills went 9-7 with Kyle Orton last year. Cassel certainly is not moving the needle, but Brees does. Brees may only have 2-3 good seasons left in him, but the same is probably true of McCoy, Mario, Kyle, etc.
If the Bills want to win with this team the Bills need to do what they can to get Brees.
IlluminatusUIUC
03-10-2015, 07:00 PM
I was suggesting we trade for Brees months ago, but that was a completely different situation: We had his old OC as our head coach, we had abundant cap room, and we hadn't splurged on a freakin halfback and fullback in free agency.
Now the deal doesn't make sense except as a one year go for broke rental.
The Bills went 9-7 with Kyle Orton last year. Cassel certainly is not moving the needle, but Brees does. Brees may only have 2-3 good seasons left in him, but the same is probably true of McCoy, Mario, Kyle, etc.
If the Bills want to win with this team the Bills need to do what they can to get Brees.
Same thing though. You don't come in and engineer a running game offense complete with Roman to top it with a 23 million dollar a year 40 passes per game guy.
You might want it, and I might want it, the Bills are not going that way though, and have no intention of doing it. Start getting used to a lot of running plays, followed by more running plays, followed by a couple possession passes, followed by more running plays, with 4-5 shots past 10 yards per game. It isn't my idea, it's theirs and what they've said they mean to do.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 07:04 PM
They're making a running game line, not a 40 attempts per game pass protection line though.
By the way things are going, imagine Sammy Watkins, Percy Harvin, Robert Woods, and Charles Clay lining up on opening day.
With Drew Brees at QB with that lineup, the Bills could be able to throw when they want to, and run when they want to.
Kind of like New England, but at least Brees can make plays with his legs and hit huge passes on the run.
Meathead
03-10-2015, 07:04 PM
sure would be fun but for how long
Buffalo Thriller
03-10-2015, 07:04 PM
Maybe 4 or 5 years ago....
By the way things are going, imagine Sammy Watkins, Percy Harvin, Robert Woods, and Charles Clay lining up on opening day.
With Drew Brees at QB with that lineup, the Bills could be able to throw when they want to, and run when they want to.
Kind of like New England, but at least Brees can make plays with his legs and hit huge passes on the run.
You know that, I know that, and Rex with Roman will not do it.
sure would be fun but for how long
Outside of getting a young Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck what is the window for winning in today's NFL? All they need are two or three seasons from Brees. The Bills can't wait to find a QB if they want to leverage the current defensive personnel. It is now or never.
BertSquirtgum
03-10-2015, 07:08 PM
Not happening. Everyone get out of dreamland.
Same thing though. You don't come in and engineer a running game offense complete with Roman to top it with a 23 million dollar a year 40 passes per game guy.
You might want it, and I might want it, the Bills are not going that way though, and have no intention of doing it. Start getting used to a lot of running plays, followed by more running plays, followed by a couple possession passes, followed by more running plays, with 4-5 shots past 10 yards per game. It isn't my idea, it's theirs and what they've said they mean to do.
They have said that because they do not have a QB. Once they have one, they will quickly change their tune to align with modern NFL game planning.
IlluminatusUIUC
03-10-2015, 07:11 PM
Not happening. Everyone get out of dreamland.
Yeah, I'm sure if you had posted that Jimmy Graham would have been dealt even 48 hours ago people would have told you to keep dreaming. All bets are off right now.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 07:12 PM
I was suggesting we trade for Brees months ago, but that was a completely different situation: We had his old OC as our head coach, we had abundant cap room, and we hadn't splurged on a freakin halfback and fullback in free agency.
Now the deal doesn't make sense except as a one year go for broke rental.
I forgot who it was, but somebody here made a great point by mentioning how the cap rises every year. As a percentage of the cap, McCoy's contract will cost the Bills less than 2% of the total cap.
That's not splurging, and the Bills also just signed Jerry Hughes to what I would call a hometown discount in terms of what he could have made on the open market.
'Jerry likes us, he really likes us!'
They have said that because they do not have a QB. Once they have one, they will quickly change their tune to align with modern NFL game planning.
Unfortunately, people keep assuming they say that because they have no QB. Rex Ryan has history here. He wants defense and ground and pound. They did not go after a throwing QB, they went after play action specialist backup/nominal starter handoffer Cassel, rush attempts per game McCoy, running game mean guy Incognito, hired running game OC Roman, fullback blocking guy Felton.
That's not my plan. That's their plan and the execution of it.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 07:23 PM
Yeah, I'm sure if you had posted that Jimmy Graham would have been dealt even 48 hours ago people would have told you to keep dreaming. All bets are off right now.
I think the Bills started a new trend in the NFL.
Trade a linebacker for a running back? When's the last time that happened?
If you're Brees, want to win another Super Bowl and get paid too, isn't Buffalo the place to be right now?
The Saints defense is bad. They're going nowhere in 2015.
After reading the articles above, WHY DID BREES decline the contract offer that would have made him the highest paid QB in the NFL?
He wants to be traded.
IlluminatusUIUC
03-10-2015, 07:23 PM
I forgot who it was, but somebody here made a great point by mentioning how the cap rises every year. As a percentage of the cap, McCoy's contract will cost the Bills less than 2% of the total cap.
The 2% figure would be McCoy's dead money if we cut him in three years, not his actual deal. The cap would have to more then double in that time for his actual deal to fall below 2%.
If the cap climbs to $160 million over the next few years, his deal would still be between 5-6% of it, and IMO that's far too high for a back who will age his way back to average soon.
and the Bills also just signed Jerry Hughes to what I would call a hometown discount in terms of what he could have made on the open market.
'Jerry likes us, he really likes us!'
You don't see me complaining about Jerry Hughes, because his deal was for a player with a longer future at a much harder position to fill playing for below his market value. McCoy would have to play his balls off to justify that deal, and odds are that he won't.
DesertFox24
03-10-2015, 07:24 PM
Did you watch the saints his arm is declining. Brady had only hurt his knee once. Brees tore his labrum and injuried the shoulder the year before that. In other words his decline started no way just move on he is not worth the cap hit or a draft pick at this point
Unfortunately, people keep assuming they say that because they have no QB. Rex Ryan has history here. He wants defense and ground and pound. They did not go after a throwing QB, they went after play action specialist backup/nominal starter handoffer Cassel, rush attempts per game McCoy, running game mean guy Incognito, hired running game OC Roman, fullback blocking guy Felton.
That's not my plan. That's their plan and the execution of it.
You take their word far to literally. Rex has never had a QB, and Roman has never been OC with a QB like Brees. Assuming they are not idiots, they would realize Brees gives them a much better chance to win than anything on the Bills roster. If they are too stupid to realize that, then the Bills are doomed.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 07:34 PM
Did you watch the saints his arm is declining. Brady had only hurt his knee once. Brees tore his labrum and injuried the shoulder the year before that. In other words his decline started no way just move on he is not worth the cap hit or a draft pick at this point
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You take their word far to literally. Rex has never had a QB, and Roman has never been OC with a QB like Brees. Assuming they are not idiots, they would realize Brees gives them a much better chance to win than anything on the Bills roster. If they are too stupid to realize that, then the Bills are doomed.
No. Believe me, I'm on your side. Roman had Kaepernick and Harbaugh ran the passing game. Rex wants oldschool running game/good defense. Ryan was all about running game with the Jets. When his OC's had to pass, tragedy happened, because they were not prepared for it. They do not want to play this modern crazy game of tossing the ball. You'll see.
No. Believe me, I'm on your side. Roman had Kaepernick and Harbaugh ran the passing game. Rex wants oldschool running game/good defense. Ryan was all about running game with the Jets. When his OC's had to pass, tragedy happened, because they were not prepared for it. They do not want to play this modern crazy game of tossing the ball. You'll see.
Looking forward to a lot of three and outs then.
Looking forward to a lot of three and outs then.
Unfortunately, yes. That's why Rex does D ! So you can get more 3 and outs.
Meathead
03-10-2015, 08:03 PM
welp seems like a massively expensive gamble but the bills would be instant serious contenders for at least this season. could you get two more elite seasons out of him? three very good ones? one-half? whotf knows
but it would be fun. and then total hell again for five years if it didnt work out. lol
Don't Panic
03-10-2015, 08:07 PM
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No doubt. A QB on the decline who just racked up 5k yards. "Yes please!"
Your $23 million link is three years old though... he counts for $26.4 mil this year pre-trade. The only way this makes sense is to get him to add a year at half that number so they can get the cap number down around $20 mil and then throw a couple contracts in to take it down a little more, EJ included. It would still cost a first but I'd do it then, and I don't think Roman would kick him out of bed for eating crackers. He'd find a way to make it work.
Skooby
03-10-2015, 08:10 PM
Will our 1st next hear guarantee a HOF QB to be playing for us ??
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 08:11 PM
Is there any other team in the NFL that is only a quarterback away from winning it all?
Houston? The Cardinals?
If I was Drew Brees, I'd rather shuffle off to Buffalo and play against the best.
http://www.nfl.com/standings
Is there any other team in the NFL that is only a quarterback away from winning it all?
Houston? The Cardinals?
If I was Drew Brees, I'd rather shuffle off to Buffalo and play against the best.
http://www.nfl.com/standings
Cardinals absolutely if you watched any games.
Watch the Jets go out and get Brees now.
Watch the Jets go out and get Brees now.
I don't think he's going anywhere, and will be stuck watching the team he salary-crippled at 36 allow him to be battered into mediocre until his dead money allows him to be traded to another team who can't protect him until he wisely hangs up the cleats because he's being beaten senseless every play looking for receivers teams can't afford because they're paying him, within the next 3 years.
Mr. Pink
03-10-2015, 08:36 PM
Is there any other team in the NFL that is only a quarterback away from winning it all?
Houston? The Cardinals?
If I was Drew Brees, I'd rather shuffle off to Buffalo and play against the best.
http://www.nfl.com/standings
There's about 20 teams who are a QB away from a Superbowl.
Put an elite QB on any team in the league and they'll be elevated in status. Even Tampa would be a playoff team with an elite QB.
BillsImpossible
03-10-2015, 08:37 PM
Will our 1st next hear guarantee a HOF QB to be playing for us ??
I don't think there's any other team in the league besides the Texans or Cardinals that would be willing to give up so much for Brees.
The Texans have the 16th overall pick to offer this year, and that's not a very good position to trade from.
The Cardinals have the 24th overall pick to offer which is irrelevant.
The 16th and 24th overall picks in the 1st round will not be enough for the Saints.
Brees declined the Saints offer that would have made him the highest paid quarterback in the NFL.
All the Saints are waiting for now is the best deal.
If I'm the Saints GM, no way I trade with Arizona.
Trading with the Texans wouldn't make sense either.
Trading with the Bills makes the most sense for the Saints GM because the Bills play against New England.
swiper
03-10-2015, 09:04 PM
I was suggesting we trade for Brees months ago, but that was a completely different situation: We had his old OC as our head coach, we had abundant cap room, and we hadn't splurged on a freakin halfback and fullback in free agency.
Now the deal doesn't make sense except as a one year go for broke rental.
You cannot have a one year "go for broke" run when you are just bringing in a new coaching staff.
HHURRICANE
03-11-2015, 05:45 AM
Just because Roman is our coordinator that doesn't exclude Brees from our offense. Last I looked we gave away a first for a generational WR. And Woods looks like a guy who can catch a few balls.
The Bills with Brees become instant SB contenders. INSTANT.
Maybe people like losing here.
HHURRICANE
03-11-2015, 05:46 AM
You cannot have a one year "go for broke" run when you are just bringing in a new coaching staff.
These aren't first time coaches. That's the advantage of brining in a Rex Ryan and a guy like Roman.
Night Train
03-11-2015, 05:55 AM
We already tried one Drew past his prime.
trapezeus
03-11-2015, 07:14 AM
going for the peyton manning/bronocs marriage requires a team to already be a playoff team and needing that push to be a champion. In that scenario, i support the push. it's a risk and it hasn't paid off for the broncos, but i can't imagine that bronco fans would rather have had tebow keeping them a middling team and losing out on a good defense.
the bills are not yet a playoff team. and yes, it could be fun to have brees. but if it doesn't work, what they give up to get brees will cost them for years to come. it could be another 5 years on top of our current 15 for playoff drought. with the picks or talent given up, i think it would be hard to keep the team deep in positions like LB, DE, NT, RB like we would need. and we wouldn't hvae the picks to restock. so even if the day 1 starters look good, it's a long season.
and if it does work, i don't t hink it's to go all the way. it's just ot make the playoffs and that seems short sighted.
that being said, if they make the move, i'm all in and will support it. but i think rationally, the bills aren't in the position to do this for a championship. they'd be doing it to just make the playoffs and its too much to give for something i think can be attainable without the splashy move.
Forward_Lateral
03-11-2015, 07:22 AM
Anyone who says they don't want Brees on the Bills is a Dolphins fan.
Canadian'eh!
03-11-2015, 07:28 AM
Ummm. A 1st rounder for Deew Brees is stealing him. I'd gladly give him 23 mil as well.
He's a top 5 QB with a super bowl win who would be coming to a team with a damn good D and McCoy.
The Bills would instantly one of the faves to win the super bowl and a lock to return to the playoffs.
Absolute no brainer move.
Skooby
03-11-2015, 07:50 AM
Some of you are acting like it's your $23 M, nobody remembers what teams spent to win a Super Bowl. We'd have a pretty good shot with Brees.
better days
03-11-2015, 08:08 AM
Some of you are acting like it's your $23 M, nobody remembers what teams spent to win a Super Bowl. We'd have a pretty good shot with Brees.
Well, the Saints were 7-9 with Brees last year.
I would give up next years first rnd pick for him, but no way in hell I would pay Brees $23 Mill for next year.
Brees is not worth that kind of money, he can not carry a team on his back as evidenced by 7-9 last year on the Saints.
Well, the Saints were 7-9 with Brees last year.
I would give up next years first rnd pick for him, but no way in hell I would pay Brees $23 Mill for next year.
Brees is not worth that kind of money, he can not carry a team on his back as evidenced by 7-9 last year on the Saints.
None of Drew Brees, Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana or Steve Young in their primes could have taken the Saints far last year with their injury riddled and depleted roster.
Bills are paying Mario Williams $20 per year and he has not carried them to the promised land.
better days
03-11-2015, 08:41 AM
None of Drew Brees, Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana or Steve Young in their primes could have taken the Saints far last year with their injury riddled and depleted roster.
Bills are paying Mario Williams $20 per year and he has not carried them to the promised land.
I would bet those QB's you named would have at least had a winning record with the Saints last year in a TERRIBLE NFC South division.
The Saints would probably have won the division last year with one of the QB's you named.
I would bet those QB's you named would have at least had a winning record with the Saints last year in a TERRIBLE NFC South division.
The Saints would probably have won the division last year with one of the QB's you named.
Drew Brees completed over 69% of his passes last year for almost 5,000 yards and 30+ touchdowns. How much more could any of those guys have done?
Dr. Who
03-11-2015, 08:57 AM
Did you watch the saints his arm is declining. Brady had only hurt his knee once. Brees tore his labrum and injuried the shoulder the year before that. In other words his decline started no way just move on he is not worth the cap hit or a draft pick at this point
I live in Atlanta. The Saints are the rival for Falcons' fans.
See a lot of Saints' games. He is not the same player.
An aging, dome qb -- I wouldn't pay much for him and his cap hit is monstrous.
Looks like we may have Harvin, Watkins, McCoy, Clay, Woods; I think the o-line will get more attention through free agency and/or the draft.
A mediocre qb can make this work. People who are whining about how bad EJ and Cassel are -- I suspect they'll at least be average.
better days
03-11-2015, 09:01 AM
Drew Brees completed over 69% of his passes last year for almost 5,000 yards and 30+ touchdowns. How much more could any of those guys have done?
The stats do look great, but in two of their losses, the Saints only scored 10 points.
In a third loss they scored 14 points & in a 4th loss 17 points.
If the Saints had won those 4 games, they would have had 11 Wins & EASILY won the division.
Carolina Won the NFC South Division with a 7-8-1 record.
Mahdi
03-11-2015, 09:04 AM
If Brees was ever going to be available it would be right now.
The Bills are in "WIN NOW" mode. They didn't go out and get a young up and coming coach, they got Rex Ryan.
You have a veteran defense with some nice young pieces on it that looks to be a top 5 unit. You have loads of playmakers on offense and the potential to make upgrades to the OL.
If you have a chance at winning a SB its right now with Drew Brees. Drew sits on the sideline watching his D get abused for the most part.
In Buffalo he would have the ball in his hands a lot PLUS he would have a young LaDanian Tomlinson all over again and big time #1 WR.
Brees in Buffalo is the perfect match for this defense, our young playmakers, this coach and this ownership who will spend.
better days
03-11-2015, 09:06 AM
I live in Atlanta. The Saints are the rival for Falcons' fans.
See a lot of Saints' games. He is not the same player.
An aging, dome qb -- I wouldn't pay much for him and his cap hit is monstrous.
Looks like we may have Harvin, Watkins, McCoy, Clay, Woods; I think the o-line will get more attention through free agency and/or the draft.
A mediocre qb can make this work. People who are whining about how bad EJ and Cassel are -- I suspect they'll at least be average.
And the Saints are rivals of the Bucs as well.
Brees has played against some terrible defenses in the NFC South which pads his stats.
Like I said to go 7-9 in that TERRIBLE Division does not speak well for Brees.
better days
03-11-2015, 09:11 AM
If Brees was ever going to be available it would be right now.
The Bills are in "WIN NOW" mode. They didn't go out and get a young up and coming coach, they got Rex Ryan.
You have a veteran defense with some nice young pieces on it that looks to be a top 5 unit. You have loads of playmakers on offense and the potential to make upgrades to the OL.
If you have a chance at winning a SB its right now with Drew Brees. Drew sits on the sideline watching his D get abused for the most part.
In Buffalo he would have the ball in his hands a lot PLUS he would have a young LaDanian Tomlinson all over again and big time #1 WR.
Brees in Buffalo is the perfect match for this defense, our young playmakers, this coach and this ownership who will spend.
Brees has played in San Diego & New Orleans.
He has not played in the Elements of the North East in the winter.
And like I said he has played against some TERRIBLE defenses in the NFC South.
If somehow the Bills got him, do not expect Brees to put up stats like he did with the Saints.
Dr. Who
03-11-2015, 09:14 AM
Ryan Clark @Realrclark25 17h17 hours ago
If the Bills land Charles Clay I'm gonna go play qb in Buffalo. He can play man. Give me Sammy, Shady and Clay I'll move the ball.
And now maybe Harvin as well . . . that's the long-time db Ryan Clark who shows up on ESPN; articulate and bright.
Don't Panic
03-11-2015, 09:55 AM
You cannot have a one year "go for broke" run when you are just bringing in a new coaching staff.
...but you can have a three year "go for broke" run.
IlluminatusUIUC
03-11-2015, 10:14 AM
It's not this year that's my big concern, it is 2016. We already have 104 million in contracts accounted for without accounting for our 2015 and 2016 rookies and Jerome Felton. If we add another 20 million contract, then we will have a hell of time re-signing Dareus, Glenn, and Gilmore.
This is why I don't like throwing so much money at the backfield.
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