The Charles Clay Saga

[DesertFox24]

Way phins structured suh they will match clay. Granted they will have to completely gut team to resign tannyhill. Cutting Wallace next year will give them 10. But oh well who is next on the list.

[YardRat]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Where is that coming from?

[Guest]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

I posted this in the Clay Looking for a Buffalo Home thread, but Suh's first year cap hit is only $6M.

The Fish are closer to the cap then we are and they already have $7M counted for Clay this year.

We could offer him a base salary of $13M this year rather than a bonus, but the Fish could restructure other deals to find the money to match.

The thought of an easy offer to sign him is out the window.

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Where is that coming from?

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/575796258121580544/photo/1

[ct bills fan]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Nope - I Believe you're wrong. Miami has $10m Cap space and we have about $20m, after cutting chandler. We will front load the contract with a 1st year cap hit of around 13-15m - why else would we have cut Chandler for only a 2.2m cap savings? Miami can not afford 13-15m to their cap. I may b wrong, but this is the simple economic deduction. A high year 1 cap hit and maybe a lesser year 2 one will also help us sign the big 3 or 4 next year

[DesertFox24]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Hey it is what it is if bills are smart structure deal really high thi year and next make them hurt next year and cut good players. Phins will have to decide if clay is worth potentially fielding bad team around tannyhill clay and suh. Already lost Starks

[Guest]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Nope - I Believe you're wrong. Miami has $10m Cap space and we have about $20m, after cutting chandler. We will front load the contract with a 1st year cap hit of around 13-15m - why else would we have cut Chandler for only a 2.2m cap savings? Miami can not afford 13-15m to their cap. I may b wrong, but this is the simple economic deduction. A high year 1 cap hit and maybe a lesser year 2 one will also help us sign the big 3 or 4 next year

That $10M for Miami includes the $7M Transition Tag for Clay so Miami has plenty of money to match the Bills offer before they have to go restructure Wallace's contract or other contracts.

The issue is how high do either team really want to go for a TE?

TE Thomas just signed for less than $10M per year.

[DesertFox24]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Only way they will not match is if we guarantee while contract. Owners would hang pegula so doubt it happens

[YardRat]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Holy ****ing **** a $23.485mil base salary in 2016? That's insane.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/ndamukong-suh/

[Guest]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Only way they will not match is if we guarantee while contract. Owners would hang pegula so doubt it happens

Perhaps not the whole contract, but we would have to guarantee the first 2 years.

[EDS]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Holy ****ing **** a $23.485mil base salary in 2016? That's insane.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dol...ndamukong-suh/

Interesting. For sure they will structure Tannehill the same way next year.

[BillsImpossible]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Nope - I Believe you're wrong. Miami has $10m Cap space and we have about $20m, after cutting chandler. We will front load the contract with a 1st year cap hit of around 13-15m - why else would we have cut Chandler for only a 2.2m cap savings? Miami can not afford 13-15m to their cap. I may b wrong, but this is the simple economic deduction. A high year 1 cap hit and maybe a lesser year 2 one will also help us sign the big 3 or 4 next year

That or a huge signing bonus. Players want the most upfront money possible.

Signing bonuses are beneficial because they get spread out over 5 years towards the cap, and players get the most money now, not later.

Could simply come down to which team offers the most cash up front.

[Night Train]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

If so, then OL (at least 2) and TE on draft weekend.

Clay isn't do or die. I'm fine either way.

[YardRat]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

That or a huge signing bonus. Players want the most upfront money possible.

Signing bonuses are beneficial because they get spread out over 5 years towards the cap, and players get the most money now, not later.

Could simply come down to which team offers the most cash up front.

Suh's 2016 salary is almost as much as his entire signing bonus.

[Guest]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

Ndamukong Suh contract may let Miami Dolphins match Charles Clay offers


The long-awaited details of the Ndamukong Suh mega-contract with the Miami Dolphins finally came out Wednesday evening, and they provide some clarity on the Buffalo Bills' pursuit of free agent Dolphins tight end Charles Clay.


According to Aaron Wilson of The Baltimore Sun, Suh will receive a $25.5 million signing bonus, as well as the league minimum salary of $985,000 in 2015. Prorating the $25.5 million over the maximum of five years creates a 2015 cap hit for Suh of only $6.085 million (one-fifth of the bonus, $5.1 million, plus base salary). Miami clearly structured the deal to maximize their 2015 cap space as much as possible, with Suh's 2016 salary jumping up to an enormous $23.485 million in 2016.


What this means for Bills fans awaiting the long-reported offer sheet for Clay is that Miami is going to have a much greater capacity to possibly match an offer for Clay than was most likely being anticipated at One Bills Drive. ...

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-opinion/2015/3/11/8196187/ndamukong-suh-contract-dolphins-charles-clay-offer-sheet-buffalo-bills

[Guest]

Re: Well thought of clay was nice

If so, then OL (at least 2) and TE on draft weekend.

Clay isn't do or die. I'm fine either way.

I agree Clay is not do or die, but it shows a waste of effort that perhaps should have been focused on aggressively enticing a FA OL before they signed elsewhere.