Are The Bills Crazy If They Don't Draft Garrett Grayson or Brett Hundley?

**Night Train** · 03-15-2015, 02:30 PM

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6 picks and OL, TE, LB, Secondary are my guess.

Once they signed Taylor, they completed their QB unit for camp.

This...is a really bad year for QB's.

**BidsJr** · 03-15-2015, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post

Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston could be this year's version of Matt Leinart and Vince Young, or Brady Quinn and JaMarcus Russell.

NFL Draft experts are often wrong more than they're right when it comes to drafting NFL quarterbacks.

It would be a shame if the Bills passed on taking Grayson or Hundley in the 2nd or 3rd rounds of the 2015 NFL Draft.

Why not take a shot? The Bills don't have a starting franchise quarterback no matter how much Matt Cassel and Tyrod Taylor kool-aid you drink.

Having Matt Cassel, Tyrod Taylor, Jeff Tuel, EJ Manuel, and a rookie or two battle it out for the Bills starting QB job would be incredibly fun to follow, but highly unlikely to happen. 6 man QB competitions simply don't happen in the NFL.

I honestly don't think Jeff Tuel or EJ Manuel will be on the Bills roster in 2015. They will likely get weeded out early in the process.

Watching Matt Cassel, Tyrod Taylor, Garret Grayson and Taylor Kelly (or Brandon Bridge) battle for the starting job would be more interesting, and provide for a more competitive quarterback competition.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2015QB.php

Dumb idea.

**Meathead** · 03-15-2015, 02:36 PM

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still probably about 10-20% chance ej ends up being a long term starter

but yeah its not looking good right now so they really have no choice but to start drafting qbs. i was hoping they could find a starting guard in facy/trade so they werent tempted to use their highest pick on one and use that on the best qb still left, but thats looking less and less likely

**OpIv37** · 03-15-2015, 02:43 PM

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People get enamored with finding a QB in the 2nd or 3rd because of a handful of guys like Kap and Wilson, but the reality is that those guys are the except to the rule. How many current NFL starters are not first round picks? 3, maybe 4?

The draft experts are frequently wrong about QB's in the sense that they overrate them, and guys who have high grades and go early in the draft end up being busts. It's very rare that the draft experts under-rate someone and a mid-to-late round QB pick ends up being a star or even a serviceable starter. Trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 2nd or 3rd when we only have 6 picks seems desperate and stupid.

**BillsImpossible** · 03-15-2015, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by Meathead View Post

still probably about 10-20% chance ej ends up being a long term starter

but yeah its not looking good right now so they really have no choice but to start drafting qbs. i was hoping they could find a starting guard in facy/trade so they werent tempted to use their highest pick on one and use that on the best qb still left, but thats looking less and less likely

I'd give EJ about a 2% chance at starting.

Cassel and Taylor are temporary patches.

The Bills really need to start developing their next franchise quarterback, and I think this year's draft provides that opportunity.

The, "experts," will be wrong again.

**BillsImpossible** · 03-15-2015, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post

People get enamored with finding a QB in the 2nd or 3rd because of a handful of guys like Kap and Wilson, but the reality is that those guys are the except to the rule. How many current NFL starters are not first round picks? 3, maybe 4?

The draft experts are frequently wrong about QB's in the sense that they overrate them, and guys who have high grades and go early in the draft end up being busts. It's very rare that the draft experts under-rate someone and a mid-to-late round QB pick ends up being a star or even a serviceable starter. Trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 2nd or 3rd when we only have 6 picks seems desperate and stupid.

Diamonds in the rough only happen in the 6th round or later by default.

2nd and 3rd round quarterbacks like Drew Brees and Russel Wilson were not diamonds in the rough.

Tom Brady was a diamond in the rough, and the NFL is overdue to produce another diamond in that respect.

Only a matter of time before the big one hits again.

**BillsImpossible** · 03-15-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by BidsJr View Post

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Dumb idea.

Why is it dumb? Because the draft experts have repeated the lie that Winston and Mariota are the 2 best quarterbacks in this draft over and over again?

I think they're wrong, again.

**Famous Amos** · 03-15-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post

People get enamored with finding a QB in the 2nd or 3rd because of a handful of guys like Kap and Wilson, but the reality is that those guys are the except to the rule. How many current NFL starters are not first round picks? 3, maybe 4?

The draft experts are frequently wrong about QB's in the sense that they overrate them, and guys who have high grades and go early in the draft end up being busts. It's very rare that the draft experts under-rate someone and a mid-to-late round QB pick ends up being a star or even a serviceable starter. Trying to find a diamond in the rough in the 2nd or 3rd when we only have 6 picks seems desperate and stupid.

Drafting QBs in the first round hasn't been very successful either.
2013- Manuel
2012- Luck, Griffin, Tannehill
2011- Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder
2010- Bradford, Tebow
2009- Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman
2008- Ryan, Flacco
2007- Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn
2006- Vince Young, Leinart, Cutler
2005- Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers

it's almost fifty/fifty, a little more than fifty percent if you put Bradford and Sanchez in the success category. Looks like a crapshoot to me. What's the difference waiting a round before picking a QB?

Maybe proving your point though, looking at QBs drafted, holy crap did the Bills employ a lot of late round QBs...and look where it got them. So in your opinion, should the Bills only draft a Qb in the first round and draft other positions in later rounds?

**Famous Amos** · 03-15-2015, 03:14 PM

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Jesus...Bills QBs since 2005

Matt Cassell- 7th round
Ryan Fitzpatrick- 7th round
Kyle Orton- 4th round
Vince Young- 1st rounbd
Matt Leinart- 1st Round
Tarvaris Jackson- 2nd round
kevin Kolb- 2nd round
Trent Edwards- 3rd round
Tyler Thigpen- 7th round
Matt Flynn- 7th round
Brian Brohm- 2nd round
Levi Brown 7th round
Tyrod Taylor 6th round

**OpIv37** · 03-15-2015, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post

Why is it dumb? Because the draft experts have repeated the lie that Winston and Mariota are the 2 best quarterbacks in this draft over and over again?

I think they're wrong, again.

first, why do you think they aren't the two best QB's in the draft? Is it solely because the draft experts said they are and you don't trust their opinion, or do you have a better reason?

Second, your logic doesn't seem to follow. Even if you are right and those two aren't the best QB's in the draft, it doesn't necessarily mean the Bills should draft someone else. Your logic seems to be nothing more than a fear of leaving the nxt Russell Wilson on the board.

**Famous Amos** · 03-15-2015, 03:19 PM

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man just goes to show, doesnt matter where a guy was picked, its who is picking those guys to be on your team. Thats some god awful talent.

**BillsImpossible** · 03-15-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post

first, why do you think they aren't the two best QB's in the draft? Is it solely because the draft experts said they are and you don't trust their opinion, or do you have a better reason?

Second, your logic doesn't seem to follow. Even if you are right and those two aren't the best QB's in the draft, it doesn't necessarily mean the Bills should draft someone else. Your logic seems to be nothing more than a fear of leaving the nxt Russell Wilson on the board.

My logic flows with this article from last year.

2014 NFL Draft: Analyzing Recent 2nd-Round Quarterbacks

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2035242-nfl-draft-analyzing-recent-second-round-quarterbacks

The upcoming 2014 NFL draft is rich with talent, stretching from defensive end Jadeveon Clowney to wide receiver Sammy Watkins. However, mirroring the 2013 draft, no quarterback prospect is a clear-cut front-runner...

The upcoming 2014 NFL draft is rich with talent, stretching from defensive end JadeveonClowney to wide receiver Sammy Watkins. However, mirroring the 2013 draft, no quarterback prospect is a clear-cut front-runner.....

Manziel and Bortles got a lot more hype than Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr.

Carr beat the Bills, and Bridgewater kept Matt Cassel away from his starting job.

**YardRat** · 03-15-2015, 03:29 PM

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Bridgewater got a lot of hype.

**Albany,n.y.** · 03-15-2015, 03:31 PM

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I don't think the Bills will draft a QB early, but if they do, EJ won't make it to camp.

Are The Bills Crazy If They Don't Draft Garrett Grayson or Brett Hundley?

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