Two Names: OT La'El Collins and DE Randy Gregory

[DraftBoy]

Both guys are legitimate Top 15 talent and if they make it to 50 you run up to the podium with the selection. Does each player involve a risk? Absolutely, but if you hit on these pick you basically more than make up for not having a 1st round pick from the Sammy deal. It's a chance you have to take if one of them is there.

[swiper]

You think GMs are on the phone with police to ask about Collins?

[DraftBoy]

You think GMs are on the phone with police to ask about Collins?

Yes, and I know Collins lawyer and agent talked with every team last night trying to explain the situation as best they could.

[Night Train]

I'll wait for the police report on Collins. It could swing in a bad way.

Bills may have missed last year with Kouandjio and I don't wish to make it an acceptable trend.

Henderson in Round 7 was a cheap gamble but Gregory & Collins are off many draft boards and I don't blame the GM's one bit.

Collins agent tried to get him removed from the draft yesterday and be available for the supplemental draft. The NFL rejected that.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report--agent-for-la-el-collins-hoping-to-remove-him-from-draft--clear-name-190230765.html

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000488780/article/concern-exists-on-gregory-handling-pro-footballs-mental-rigors

[YardRat]

Whaley certainly doesn't shy away from guys that have under-achieved or have character questions, if they possess a high level of base talent.

[mightysimi]

I get nervous when talking about taking a 235 lb pass rusher.

[k-oneputt]

Gregory reminds me of Maybin.

Slight frame/build. Plus his off-field issues. No thanks at 50.

[Night Train]

I get nervous when talking about taking a 235 lb pass rusher.

I don't see where he fits in our D, at that size.

He isn't suited to the Mike or Will LB. Behind our starting front 4 DL, we have Wynn and Lawson off the edge, who actually play well in spot duty and have size.

Could be wrong but he makes zero sense.

[Goobylal]

Too much risk with Collins unless an airtight alibi surfaces. In the 5th round maybe.

[Shady25]

I think Collins would be a good pick, in the 3rd round.

[emoulds80]

Gregory reminds me of Maybin.

Slight frame/build. Plus his off-field issues. No thanks at 50.

you have no clue what you are talking about respectfully, the guy has freakish stack and shed ability/ power and bull rush. hes the total package and i would run to the podium if hes still there. hes a top 10 talent imo. god id be so excited if hes there. he can even rush inside too

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reminds me of demarcus ware

[k-oneputt]

you have no clue what you are talking about respectfully, the guy has freakish stack and shed ability/ power and bull rush. hes the total package and i would run to the podium if hes still there. hes a top 10 talent imo. god id be so excited if hes there. he can even rush inside too


Sounds like Maybin's predraft talk, until he got here and got ran over and pushed around.

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reminds me of demarcus ware

[SpikedLemonade]

I have no interest in Gregory but Collins is worth the risk.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Gregory reminds me of Maybin.

Slight frame/build. Plus his off-field issues. No thanks at 50.

Fwiw, Rex Ryan got 6 sacks out of Maybin, the only sacks of his career.

[emoulds80]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AdCCOD4iw

randy gregory scouting report

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he is nothing like maybin at all, hes 3x the athlete too

[mightysimi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8AdCCOD4iw

randy gregory scouting report

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he is nothing like maybin at all, hes 3x the athlete too

I agree the scouting report and the tape look good. Do you not have worries that a 235LB pass rusher would be swallowed by the NFL blockers?

[emoulds80]

I agree the scouting report and the tape look good. Do you not have worries that a 235LB pass rusher would be swallowed by the NFL blockers?

i have no worries with him. id b elated if we got him... hes a legit top ten talent, and the best pass rusher in the draft

[mightysimi]

i have no worries with him. id b elated if we got him... hes a legit top ten talent, and the best pass rusher in the draft

Where would you play him then?

[emoulds80]

Where would you play him then?

i would rotate him with hughes and williams... id also have packages of him rushing inside at dt

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trust me he would play a ton

[emoulds80]

5 man rush of hughes, mario, williams, dareus, gregory

[mightysimi]

5 man rush of hughes, mario, williams, dareus, gregory

So the first pick in the draft on a player who plays 40% of the time?

[Ed]

Maybe they can get both. Gregory in the 2nd and Collins in the 3rd. That would be a pretty good day.

[emoulds80]

So the first pick in the draft on a player who plays 40% of the time?

im of the philosophy you need a deep dline/pass rush arsenal. giants do this all the time

[Mahdi]

So the first pick in the draft on a player who plays 40% of the time?

Aldon Smith was a situational pass rusher for the 49ers as a rookie and racked up a ton of sacks.

[mightysimi]

im of the philosophy you need a deep dline/pass rush arsenal. giants do this all the time

Used to. Osi and Strahan are long gone.

2nd in the league in sacks. I'm not sure we need to improve this area all that much.

[kingJofNYC]

If you look at our 2nd round history, we either miss or the player leaves in FA. Woods/Glenn/Williams only one's I remember off the top of my head that are starters and are still on the team.

Worth looking at both players, why the **** not. If we miss it's the same old ****, so **** it. Go big or go home.

[mightysimi]

Aldon Smith was a situational pass rusher for the 49ers as a rookie and racked up a ton of sacks.

Yes he was. Was he replacing a pro-bowler or a guy who had 10 sacks the last few seasons? Not so sure.

[jimmifli]

http://i.imgur.com/92taq2h.jpg

[IlluminatusUIUC]

http://i.imgur.com/92taq2h.jpg

How old is that picture? Tharold simon was drafted two years ago

[DesertFox24]

I would consider Collins but I want nothing to do with Gregory he is Dion Jordan part two. The scary part is he is a rex type guy and Rex will want him

[DesertFox24]

How old is that picture? Tharold simon was drafted two years ago
Well consider my opinion changed, maybe third round on Collins as he is legit talent but not second.

[jimmifli]

How old is that picture? Tharold simon was drafted two years ago
I think La'el was a freshman.

[jimmifli]

Well consider my opinion changed, maybe third round on Collins as he is legit talent but not second.
Apparently it was a rotating list and your name was on it for missing any practice or workout, and then was removed after attending a bunch in a row.

By all accounts he figured things out as he was a team captain last season.

[Bill Cody]

By all accounts he figured things out as he was a team captain last season.

Aaron Hernandez called. He vouches for Collins character 100%.

[DraftBoy]

Aaron Hernandez called. He vouches for Collins character 100%.

According to Collins agent and lawyer, Collins was not even in town when the murder took place. The rumor is that Collins may know who the murderer is though and that's why he was wanted for questioning but not charged. The association is what may be scaring off most teams.

[Dr. Who]

According to Collins agent and lawyer, Collins was not even in town when the murder took place. The rumor is that Collins may know who the murderer is though and that's why he was wanted for questioning but not charged. The association is what may be scaring off most teams.

I surmise the concern would be that this could be a Rae Carruth situation where Collins is somehow responsible.
How could anyone be certain at this point? It's tempting to go for such a value player at a position of need, though.

[emoulds80]

I would consider Collins but I want nothing to do with Gregory he is Dion Jordan part two. The scary part is he is a rex type guy and Rex will want him

jordan is soft, and not close to the player gregory is. gregory has d ware type ability, id flip if we are able to get him.

[Bill Cody]

Gregory is either a complete and total imbecile or he smokes weed every day and cannot stop. Those are literally the only 2 possible reasons a guy who had been caught smoking repeatedly in college would test positive at the combine. He's also built remarkably like Aaron Maybin. You'd need to play him at OLB, way too small to hold up at DE. I'd say pass.

Collins is a possible murder suspect. Whether he was there or not he may be involved. No chance you'd roll the dice before the 5th.

[emoulds80]

Gregory is either a complete and total imbecile or he smokes weed every day and cannot stop. Those are literally the only 2 possible reasons a guy who had been caught smoking repeatedly in college would test positive at the combine. He's also built remarkably like Aaron Maybin. You'd need to play him at OLB, way too small to hold up at DE. I'd say pass.

Collins is a possible murder suspect. Whether he was there or not he may be involved. No chance you'd roll the dice before the 5th.




please stop with the maybin comparison, seriously u sound dumb, gregory has incredible strenght, watch the film. he can kill vs the run

[MillsapsBillsFan]

Gregory is either a complete and total imbecile or he smokes weed every day and cannot stop. Those are literally the only 2 possible reasons a guy who had been caught smoking repeatedly in college would test positive at the combine. He's also built remarkably like Aaron Maybin. You'd need to play him at OLB, way too small to hold up at DE. I'd say pass.

Collins is a possible murder suspect. Whether he was there or not he may be involved. No chance you'd roll the dice before the 5th.

Im with you on Collins, in this era of the NFL theres no way someone will take a chance on some one who might even be involved just a little bit. That being said if he falls to the 5th or maybe even the 4th you sprint to the podium and if hes involved oh well you didnt lose much, but if he isnt we just got another steal

[DraftBoy]

Andrew Brandt from ESPN reported on Twitter that teams are 99% convinced that Collins had nothing to do with the actual murder. The reason he is still sitting around is that 1%.

[emoulds80]

the bills gotta take collins or gregory if there, they are both top 10 talents, never envisioned that happening....

[SpikedLemonade]

Andrew Brandt from ESPN reported on Twitter that teams are 99% convinced that Collins had nothing to do with the actual murder. The reason he is still sitting around is that 1%.

If that is the case, he may not even be there at #50, but if he is, we need to draft him.

Saying that he would be great at #81 is meaningless if he is gone by then.

[MillsapsBillsFan]

Scheffer said that if Collins isn't drafted tonight he won't sign with a team this year

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/594251500903374848

[The Jokeman]

Andrew Brandt from ESPN reported on Twitter that teams are 99% convinced that Collins had nothing to do with the actual murder. The reason he is still sitting around is that 1%.
and now his agent says he won't sign if someone doesn't draft him in the 2nd or 3rd Round pick. Which helps the teams with compensation picks. I sure hope someone takes him before the Patriots on the clock as could see them risking toward drafting him since they've got an extra 3rd.

[YardRat]

Gregory goes to Dallas at #60.