Gruden On The Bills QB Competition

[BillsImpossible]

Chucky thinks EJ Manuel is a mobile quarterback. I don't agree with that, but he still makes a great point.

Is Manuel mobile? He was forced not to not run last season because he got hurt running the year before.

EJ Manuel is not nearly as mobile as Kaepernick is. He's too big to run like Kaepernick. The only thing they have in common is their inaccuracy throwing the football.

Eagerly anticipating training camp, can't wait. I liked what Gruden was implying.

The quarterback who can make the most plays with their feet is going to win.

It's a great strategy because the days of the one-dimensional pocket passing QB are soon about to end.

When a play breaks down, the QB has to improvise, throw the book out of the window and make a play.

All of the technicalities get erased and the game goes back to how it was played in the backyard: unscripted.

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[OpIv37]

Chucky thinks EJ Manuel is a mobile quarterback. I don't agree with that, but he still makes a great point.

Is Manuel mobile? He was forced not to not run last season because he got hurt running the year before.

EJ Manuel is not nearly as mobile as Kaepernick is. He's too big to run like Kaepernick. The only thing they have in common is their inaccuracy throwing the football.

Eagerly anticipating training camp, can't wait. I liked what Gruden was implying.

The quarterback who can make the most plays with their feet is going to win.

It's a great strategy because the days of the one-dimensional pocket passing QB are soon about to end.

When a play breaks down, the QB has to improvise, throw the book out of the window and make a play.

All of the technicalities get erased and the game goes back to how it was played in the backyard: unscripted.

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Is that your thought, or Gruden's?

Either way, it's stupid. We've got a bunch of running backs and WR's who can make crazy plays with their feet. We need a QB to make plays with his arm.

[BillsImpossible]

Is that your thought, or Gruden's?

Either way, it's stupid. We've got a bunch of running backs and WR's who can make crazy plays with their feet. We need a QB to make plays with his arm.

How did Roman's experiment with Kaepernick making plays with his arm work out last year?

Is a pocket passing QB something Roman wants?

I think he wants a QB who can run and pass too.

[BillsImpossible]

I think it's stupid to talk about how much you hate someone without talking about how you're going to beat them.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Roman may want a lot of things, but we don't have a QB who can run like Kaepernick or a line that can block like San Francisco's. He needs to build around what we've got.

[BillsImpossible]

Roman may want a lot of things, but we don't have a QB who can run like Kaepernick or a line that can block like San Francisco's. He needs to build around what we've got.

The Bills do have a QB who can run like Kaepernick in Tyrod Taylor.

If he can throw too, he's going to be a superstar in the NFL for many years to come.

[Ginger Vitis]

If he can throw too, he's going to be a superstar in the NFL for many years to come.

Oh come on lol

[OpIv37]

I think it's stupid to talk about how much you hate someone without talking about how you're going to beat them.
False equivalency. Hating someone has nothing to do with ability to beat them.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

The Bills do have a QB who can run like Kaepernick in Tyrod Taylor.

I would have thought that the CJ Spiller experience would have shown people that running fast in shorts doesn't make you a great nfl runner.

Kaepernick is one of the best running qbs ever. Taylor isn't even close.

[Oaf]

EJ Manuel doesn't have the "it" from what I've seen in the NFL to consistently make plays on the run. He spins into pressure, gets myopic about his passing options, etc. He did get it done at Florida St, though.

[Night Train]

Back on topic. Who really cares what Gruden thinks about QB's ?

He went through them like toilet paper when he coached.

[swiper]

Compare the life/career length of a "running QB" vs a classic drop-back QB.

Running QB may get you 2 to 3 years of running scared before some DT falls on his knee the wrong way.

Let your QB drop back and throw. And direct your offense. Let your RBs/WRs tote the ball. They are infinitely easier to replace once injured. As witnessed in Buffalo having a lack of QB for so long.

[Topas]

In theory, I agree with you Swiper. Problem is that the college does produce next to no passing QBs anymore. There was Luck. And who else? I mean it does not even have to be of Lucks quality. But if you look at the top ten passing QBs in the NFL they are pretty much all very old.
Each teams wants a passing QB (well maybe not each team, but almost all), but the options are scarce.

[YardRat]

Why is anybody worried about the QB position? They spent a gazillion dollars on shiny new toys during free agency, and added a few more in the draft. With all that talent at the skill positions we should be able to coast to the playoffs with the midget trainer taking the snaps.

[DraftBoy]

Back on topic. Who really cares what Gruden thinks about QB's ?

He went through them like toilet paper when he coached.

Adding on to this, if I was Todd McShay I would be beyond pissed that ESPN puts John Gruden on TV on Day 1 of the NFL Draft. You're talking about a guy who spends an entire year trying to come up with catchy phrases for TV v. McShay who spends his whole year watching the players actually getting drafted. I would love to see McShay and Kiper go head to head over the annoyance of Gruden thinking every player drafted is the second coming.

[HHURRICANE]

EJ hasn't proven he can run other than out of bounce, short of the first down marker.

Just because Russell Wilson is the second coming of Michael Vick doesn't mean the league is moving away from pocket passers. If so than we should easily get Luck or Rodgers for a third rounder. Make that deal today.

[Night Train]

Adding on to this, if I was Todd McShay I would be beyond pissed that ESPN puts John Gruden on TV on Day 1 of the NFL Draft. You're talking about a guy who spends an entire year trying to come up with catchy phrases for TV v. McShay who spends his whole year watching the players actually getting drafted. I would love to see McShay and Kiper go head to head over the annoyance of Gruden thinking every player drafted is the second coming.

The tension between Kiper and Gruden couldn't be more obvious. I may disagree with Kiper and McShay on things... but with Gruden, I'm thinking " Why is this buffoon on my TV ? "

[trapezeus]

gruden on every qb he's ever seen, "What I like about this guy is...." He loves everyone.

tyrod is like betting on 0 at roulette. if you do it often enough, you'll eventualy hit it. and when you do, you can seem like a genius. but most times it doesn't come up and you just look like a dreamer and a gambler.

if we are relying on him to be a stud, we have bad management. if he's supposed to be a great back up and push the competition, great. if he also happens to be a little better than advertised, thats' great. anything more than that is gambling and wishing.

[BidsJr]

EJ hasn't proven he can run other than out of bounce, short of the first down marker.

Just because Russell Wilson is the second coming of Michael Vick doesn't mean the league is moving away from pocket passers. If so than we should easily get Luck or Rodgers for a third rounder. Make that deal today.


Russell Wilson is far closer to the second coming of Steve Young than he is Mike Vick.

[djjimkelly]

funny how every informed national pundit talks about EJ as the starter.


then i come to this board............... and you would think EJ is the midget from game of thrones.

that being said Tyrion Lannister as the bills qb would be entertaining oh wait (we did have the flutie era)

[Blondie]

The tension between Kiper and Gruden couldn't be more obvious. I may disagree with Kiper and McShay on things... but with Gruden, I'm thinking " Why is this buffoon on my TV ? "

Be glad he was never a coach for the BILLS ... it was horrible having to listen to his press conferences here after a BUCS game ... I am NOT a fan of Gruden and was glad to see him go bye-bye

[IlluminatusUIUC]

funny how every informed national pundit talks about EJ as the starter.


then i come to this board...............

I agree that Manuel is the starter, but to me that speaks more to the quality of his competition.


and you would think EJ is the midget from game of thrones.

that being said Tyrion Lannister as the bills qb would be entertaining oh wait (we did have the flutie era)

There already is a drunken, whoring midget playing QB and his name is Johnny Manziel

[BillsImpossible]

I would have thought that the CJ Spiller experience would have shown people that running fast in shorts doesn't make you a great nfl runner.

Kaepernick is one of the best running qbs ever. Taylor isn't even close.

Give this video 1 minute. Tyrod Taylor can run.

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Give all of his highlights on youtube a good look and I don't think anyone could honestly say that Tyrod Taylor doesn't have the same kind of running ability as Kaepernick. He might even be a better running QB. He's not as tall, and he's faster. We shall see.

There's no doubt he is the fastest running QB in the NFL. Rex Ryan said it.

What I like about Tyrod Taylor the most is his ability to make plays with his feet. That doesn't necessarily mean running the ball either.

[Mace]

How did Roman's experiment with Kaepernick making plays with his arm work out last year?

Is a pocket passing QB something Roman wants?

I think he wants a QB who can run and pass too.

Harbaugh ran the passing game and heavily influenced play selection last year. I've never seen any sign Roman wants much to do with the passing game. The Bills are not even letting him have much to do with it (Lee & Lal will). At most, Roman wants a QB who doesn't screw up his running game and keeps teams from keying on it by being a good little QB and speaking when spoken to.

As for Gruden, love hearing whatever he has to say. Doesn't carry more or less weight, he's just fun to listen to.

[BillsImpossible]

Oh come on lol

Tyrod Taylor can run the football, without question. Watch the video above and it also shows how he can throw by making plays with his feet.

If he can throw too, Tyrod Taylor is going to be the Bills starting quarterback.

[BillsImpossible]

Harbaugh ran the passing game and heavily influenced play selection last year. I've never seen any sign Roman wants much to do with the passing game. The Bills are not even letting him have much to do with it (Lee & Lal will). At most, Roman wants a QB who doesn't screw up his running game and keeps teams from keying on it by being a good little QB and speaking when spoken to.

As for Gruden, love hearing whatever he has to say. Doesn't carry more or less weight, he's just fun to listen to.

Chucky knows how to have fun. He's interesting. He's got swagger, and a ring. The bolded comment above reminds me of how Gruden won that ring with Tampa Bay. Great defense, run the ball, and don't F it up, Dilfer.

Jets came close to perfecting Chucky's recipe, twice.

Ravens recipe for success was similar to Gruden's. Run the ball, strong D, don't F it up Joe.

None of those ring bearing QB's could run like Tyrod Taylor can run. Same philosophy - strong D, run the ball - but with the NFL's latest twist of a QB that can run and pass too.

Tyrod Taylor is a stand up guy. No character issues, been riding the pine for 4 years being Flacco, and now is his chance.

If he succeeds the NFL is going to love Tyrod Taylor. He's going to be everything the NFL wanted Michael Vick to be.

[BillsImpossible]

"Superman?" Couldn't resist.

Terry Pegula is Superman and Kim Pegula is Superwoman.

Super Bowl.

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[Meathead]

one billion pcent ej starts

[ParanoidAndroid]

I would have thought that the CJ Spiller experience would have shown people that running fast in shorts doesn't make you a great nfl runner.

Kaepernick is one of the best running qbs ever. Taylor isn't even close.

The best running QB's ever never made it in the NFL. The only exception among the top 20 is Michael Vick. We're talking Vince Young, Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch, Colt McCoy, Tony Rice, Darien Hagan.......

[Meathead]

well like ive been saying, i think rexy prefers to let ej or even tyrod play and run a lot in romans offense. cassel is the emergency insurance policy in case that all goes to ѕhit and he has to revert to a more traditional offense

its gonna be more risk to the runners knees etc but neither of those guys is going to give you reliable classic drop back production so why not give it a go. look for the big plays, expect a few more three and outs, and let the defense just keep giving you field position

that also means we likely see at least two guys if not all three, figuring that the runners are gonna get hobbled here and there. it could work

[Mace]

Jets came close to perfecting Chucky's recipe, twice.

Yeah, but you see what happened after, which sort of says much and now they're rebuilding again just like we're still trying to hit the magic, except with a bunch of everything they already tried and needed rebuild anyway.

I dunno. Crapshoot.

[Bill Cody]

The Bills do have a QB who can run like Kaepernick in Tyrod Taylor.

If he can throw too, he's going to be a superstar in the NFL for many years to come.

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

[BertSquirtgum]

And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

What if your uncle was a cross dresser?

[Bill Cody]

What if your uncle was a cross dresser?

Trolling for dates again Bert?

[BillsImpossible]

Trolling for dates again Bert?

No. I think Bert was implying in a funny way something else.

A cross dresser goes both ways.

What if Tyrod Taylor can run AND pass?

[BillsImpossible]

The best running QB's ever never made it in the NFL. The only exception among the top 20 is Michael Vick. We're talking Vince Young, Tommie Frazier, Eric Crouch, Colt McCoy, Tony Rice, Darien Hagan.......

They could all run, but couldn't pass in the NFL.

[better days]

Be glad he was never a coach for the BILLS ... it was horrible having to listen to his press conferences here after a BUCS game ... I am NOT a fan of Gruden and was glad to see him go bye-bye

Gruden's act wore thin.

I think the players were more happy to see him go than us Bucs fans.

But we still have to give him credit & be thankful for that Super Bowl win.

That was a GREAT year.

[Blondie]

Gruden's act wore thin.

I think the players were more happy to see him go than us Bucs fans.

But we still have to give him credit & be thankful for that Super Bowl win.

That was a GREAT year.

I don't give him credit.

Never have never will.

He beat HIS team with Dungy's team.

It was shameful when Dungy left the BUCS organization.

[better days]

I don't give him credit.

Never have never will.

He beat HIS team with Dungy's team.

It was shameful when Dungy left the BUCS organization.

I like Dungy, but he was as inept getting an OC in Tampa as Chan Gailey was at getting a DC in Buffalo.

[YardRat]

Chucky knows how to have fun. He's interesting. He's got swagger, and a ring. The bolded comment above reminds me of how Gruden won that ring with Tampa Bay. Great defense, run the ball, and don't F it up, Dilfer.

Brad Johnson was the Bucs QB when they won the SB.

[better days]

Brad Johnson was the Bucs QB when they won the SB.

Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, Eli Manning.... proof a team CAN win the Super Bowl without a great QB.

[Mace]

Brad Johnson was the Bucs QB when they won the SB.

Too funny. I missed the mistake. Even funnier, it honestly took me a few minutes to remember the difference between the two. Funniest, I might be thinking of two entirely different QB's I always thought were Johnson and Dilfer. Made me laugh.

[Mace]

Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, Eli Manning.... proof a team CAN win the Super Bowl without a great QB.

Flacco at least gets hot streaks, and Eli has his hot streaks at clutch time. Johnson and Dilfer though, well, yes, I think, because I honestly have no memory of either one doing anything, besides Johnsons rag arm late career struggles.

[BillsImpossible]

Brad Johnson was the Bucs QB when they won the SB.

Brad Dilfer. My bad. They're one in the same, one shade away in the paint section of Home Depot.

Peach or light peach?

They're both just peachy. Is Cassel peachy enough to win like Trent Johnson?

Kyle Orton was a pear, not a peach. Fitzpatrick, Edwards, and Losman were all mangoes.

The Bills need a QB that can run and throw like apples and oranges. I don't think EJ is that guy. He's a banana.

[YardRat]

The only QB I can think of that was a fruit is Jeff Garcia.

[sudzy]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492925/article/is-matt-cassel-destined-for-backup-role-with-the-bills

Cassel might not be the favorite to start after all.

[better days]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000492925/article/is-matt-cassel-destined-for-backup-role-with-the-bills

Cassel might not be the favorite to start after all.

Chip Kelly saying he would like the chance to coach EJ & EJ saying the Eagles "want me pretty bad" sounds like tampering to me.

[SpikedLemonade]

Dumb as a bag of hammers.

Both of those statements were made before the Bills drafted EJ:

After recruiting Manuel at Oregon, Chip Kelly told NFL Network in the lead-up to the 2013 NFL Draft (http://www.nfl.com/draft) that the former Florida State star was a player he "didn't get a chance to coach but would like a chance to coach."

Shortly thereafter, Manuel noted that the Eagles (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) "want me pretty bad (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ej-manuel-eagles-they-want-me-pretty-bad)."

[better days]

Dumb as a bag of hammers.

Both of those statements were made before the Bills drafted EJ:

After recruiting Manuel at Oregon, Chip Kelly told NFL Network in the lead-up to the 2013 NFL Draft (http://www.nfl.com/draft) that the former Florida State star was a player he "didn't get a chance to coach but would like a chance to coach."

Shortly thereafter, Manuel noted that the Eagles (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) "want me pretty bad (http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/ej-manuel-eagles-they-want-me-pretty-bad)."

OK, I was drinking my first cup of coffee, just waking up.

But you have no excuse for being a douche little dick.

[SpikedLemonade]

Since Swiper wasn't here yet, I wanted to keep you on your toes prior to his arrival.

[Mace]

Dumb as a bag of hammers.

As a rule, I find my hammers fairly intelligent, pondering mobocracy with one the other day as we dumpsterized an entertainment center. Screwdrivers on the other hand are not so clever, tending to be content with how things go one way or the other. Just my two cents.

[Blondie]

Brad Johnson was the Bucs QB when they won the SB.

Apparently Brad Johnson cheated .. He did something to the footballs to give him a better advantage.

[Blondie]

Dilfer, Johnson, Flacco, Eli Manning.... proof a team CAN win the Super Bowl without a great QB.

I stood in line for HOURS 6months pregnant to get my ex husbands Dilfer jersey autographed by Dilfer.

He won the SB the year after the BuCS traded him to the Ravens.

[Mace]

I stood in line for HOURS 6months pregnant to get my ex husbands Dilfer jersey autographed by Dilfer.

He won the SB the year after the BuCS traded him to the Ravens.

Don't feel too bad about it, we all make mistakes in our youth.

[DynaPaul]

Sorry, pocket passers still rule.

[Mace]

Sorry, pocket passers still rule.

Well, unless you try and start Christian Ponder or Brandon Weeden...