Are The Buffalo Bills Playing To Win or Playing Not To Lose In 2015?

[BillsImpossible]

Matt Cassel might as well have, "Game Manager," tattooed on his forehead. I love him as the Bills backup QB, but to have him start would be a waste of precious future franchise quarterback finding time.

Matt Cassel also comes with the, "Playing Not To Lose," tag permanently attached to his jersey.

Great quarterbacks make great plays to win championships. The game manager types seldom rise up to the occasion.

Matt Cassel might be good enough to take the Bills to 9-7, again. He's not good enough to lead this team to a Super Bowl victory.

So why bother? Why repeat last year with Orton 2.0? Just for the sake of making the playoffs?

F*&+ the playoffs, this team should be aiming for the Super Bowl, not the damned playoffs.

The Bills had to do everything under the sun to protect EJ Manuel in 2014. They didn't let Manuel try to win the game, they wanted him to manage it with simple plays that he simply could not execute. If he couldn't make the simple plays, what gives anyone good reason to think he can make the hard plays? EJ's a great guy, but he's not the answer.

The Bills have been playing not to lose for how long now?

Play to win. If the plan fails nobody can say the Bills didn't try and they pick early in the 1st round of the 2016 NFL Draft to select their future franchise QB.

[Ginger Vitis]

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This thread is not one of your better ones.... Before you can win the SuperBowl you need to make the playoffs.. And Im fairly certain regardless of the QB situation they will play to win games

On 2nd thought I kinda see the point of this thread.. Since you think Tyrod Taylor is destined to be a"superstar" you don't see the point of Matt Cassel being the Bills starting QB

[better days]

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I think Rex & Roman are looking to win games.

As many as they can.

I expect them to start the QB that they believe will give them the best chance at doing that.

[Ginger Vitis]

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The best example I can think of in the past a Bills team playing to try and keep the game close and not lose big was the 2006 Buffalo Bills and "Jauron" ball.. Ill always remember that year the Bills were in Indy and on one drive in tbe 2nd quarter it was was 3rd and 14 and Losman handed it off to Anthony Thomas.. Next drive same thing 3rd and 14 or 15 and another running play was called for Anthony Thomas...

Mission accomplished the COlts only beat the Bills by a point 17-16

[better days]

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The best example I can think of in the past a Bills team playing to try and keep the game close and not lose big was the 2006 Buffalo Bills and "Jauron" ball.. Ill always remember that year the Bills were in Indy and on one drive in tbe 2nd quarter it was was 3rd and 14 and Losman handed it off to Anthony Thomas.. Next drive same thing 3rd and 14 or 15 and another running play was called for Anthony Thomas...

Mission accomplished the COlts only beat the Bills by a point 17-16

Dick Jauron: " It's hard to win in the NFL."

Yeah it is hard to win if you are playing not to lose.

[justasportsfan]

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Look at Sexy Rexy's defensive philosophy. It's aggressive. It doesn't play to lose. It attacks because Rexy has a attacking personality. So I don't think his offense will play not to lose either. Even when his jets stunk last year, Geno/Vick attempted to make plays.

Dick Jauron is reactive. He plays not to lose on both sides of the ball. Even his OC's said so.

[Night Train]

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The incredible amount of moves during this off-season screams Full Speed Ahead.

Rex & Co. expect to win right away.

[Zoneblitser]

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Matt Cassel might as well have, "Game Manager," tattooed on his forehead. I love him as the Bills backup QB, but to have him start would be a waste of precious future franchise quarterback finding time.

Matt Cassel also comes with the, "Playing Not To Lose," tag permanently attached to his jersey.

Great quarterbacks make great plays to win championships. The game manager types seldom rise up to the occasion.

Matt Cassel might be good enough to take the Bills to 9-7, again. He's not good enough to lead this team to a Super Bowl victory.

So why bother? Why repeat last year with Orton 2.0? Just for the sake of making the playoffs?

F*&+ the playoffs, this team should be aiming for the Super Bowl, not the damned playoffs.

The Bills had to do everything under the sun to protect EJ Manuel in 2014. They didn't let Manuel try to win the game, they wanted him to manage it with simple plays that he simply could not execute. If he couldn't make the simple plays, what gives anyone good reason to think he can make the hard plays? EJ's a great guy, but he's not the answer.

The Bills have been playing not to lose for how long now?

Play to win. If the plan fails nobody can say the Bills didn't try and they pick early in the 1st round of the 2016 NFL Draft to select their future franchise QB.

So go find that franchise qb you seem to think is out there, I will wait.

[Bill Cody]

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Great quarterbacks make great plays to win championships. The game manager types seldom rise up to the occasion.

how profound. Can I quote you on this?

Matt Cassel might be good enough to take the Bills to 9-7, again. He's not good enough to lead this team to a Super Bowl victory.

So why bother?

Pretty sure part of the Bills charter requires us to field a team every year

F*&+ the playoffs

That was Ralph's approach for the last 15 years and he succeeded. Can't we at least try the playoffs? I've seen a lot of those games on TV and they look like fun

The Bills had to do everything under the sun to protect EJ Manuel in 2014. They didn't let Manuel try to win the game, they wanted him to manage it with simple plays that he simply could not execute. If he couldn't make the simple plays, what gives anyone good reason to think he can make the hard plays? EJ's a great guy, but he's not the answer.

Maybe not. But he was green and not ready to start. He did pretty much what most intelligent people expected, not much. Making the game more complicated would not have helped him. He was/is a project. Sort of like your binky Tie Rod. The plus for Tie Rod is he's had longer to learn what an NFL QB needs to do. Both Manuel and Tie Rod have accuracy issues. Tie Rod is faster but shorter. We'll see. All 3 QB's will get some chances. I'm one of the few here that hasn't written Manuel off, it's still early.

The Bills have been playing not to lose for how long now?

mediocre players and mediocre coaching is more like it

Play to win. If the plan fails nobody can say the Bills didn't try and they pick early in the 1st round of the 2016 NFL Draft to select their future franchise QB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W42iiCcFbxE

[Yasgur's Farm]

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http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-doubling-down-on-OTAs/55be1744-1012-4c43-b1c8-f3aefa37d3e6?campaign=fb_buf_article

“We had the two-spot drills, which we talked about, where you’ve got the first and second groups going on one part of the field and the threes going on the other,” Ryan said Monday night, in an appearance on The John Murphy Show. Quarterbacks EJ Manuel and Matt Cassel worked primarily with the first and second teamers at one end of the field, while QBs Tyrod Taylor and Jeff Tuel worked at the other end with the rest of the roster.

[BillsImpossible]

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Look at Sexy Rexy's defensive philosophy. It's aggressive. It doesn't play to lose. It attacks because Rexy has a attacking personality. So I don't think his offense will play not to lose either. Even when his jets stunk last year, Geno/Vick attempted to make plays.

Dick Jauron is reactive. He plays not to lose on both sides of the ball. Even his OC's said so.

Really good points. Great comparison between Ryan and Jauron, it's a perfect example of playing to win vs. playing not to lose.

Even when the Jets knew Geno would make mistakes, they played to win.

The plan didn't work, they finished 4-12, but at least they got the best defensive player in the draft out it.

Matt Cassel is in the playing not to lose category of quarterbacks. He's a notch below the Tannehill's, Dalton's, and Smith's of the NFL world.

"Just get to the playoffs," should not be the goal. That's playing not to lose.

"Just manage the game, don't make mistakes, and be conservative with the football." That philosophy might make the playoffs, but that's about it.

Playoffs or not, a 9-7 or 10-6 or better season with Cassel at quarterback would really suck because the Bills would be drafting late in the first round with the same playing not to lose problem at QB.

If the Bills are going to win a Super Bowl in the near future, they're going to do it with a quarterback that takes chances, makes big plays and plays to win.

[BillsImpossible]

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This thread is not one of your better ones.... Before you can win the SuperBowl you need to make the playoffs.. And Im fairly certain regardless of the QB situation they will play to win games

On 2nd thought I kinda see the point of this thread.. Since you think Tyrod Taylor is destined to be a"superstar" you don't see the point of Matt Cassel being the Bills starting QB

I hope he turns into the NFL's next superstar, I don't know if he is destined to become one, but there's only one way to find out, right?

You're right, I don't see the point of Matt Cassel being the Bills starting QB. He is what he is, and he's not going to win a Super Bowl Championship for the Bills.

He's good enough to get into the playoffs at most. He's a temporary patch on a persistent quarterback problem that is going to do nothing besides give the Bills a late first round draft pick.

[BillsImpossible]

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I heard something really scary on WGR today.

Sal Capaccio said, "Matt Cassel could be the Bills quarterback for the next 2 or 3 years," if he has a good season.

Bulldog sounded like he wanted to smash his microphone and jump off the Peace Bridge.

[BillsImpossible]

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So go find that franchise qb you seem to think is out there, I will wait.

There's only one way to find out. I'd rather, "tank," with Tyrod Taylor than swin and eventually sink with Cassel in the playoffs.

Hypothetical situation #1: Matt Cassel takes the Bills to their first playoff appearance since 1999 and finishes the regular season 10-6.

The Bills lose to a playoff team with a better quarterback, and end up with the 25th pick in the 1st round of the 2016 NFL Draft.

Hypothetical situation #2: Tyrod Taylor wins the starting job and flunks the season. The Bills finish 4-12 and get the 4th overall pick in the draft.

Which hypothetical situation would you rather have happen?

#1 sounds nice, would be a great short term boost but a long term bust.

#2 sounds bad, would be difficult to deal with but in the long term would be the best thing to ever happen to the team.

No, I'm not talking about the Sabres, but I am talking about how Terry and Kim Pegula might be viewing this situation.

[Ginger Vitis]

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No, I'm not talking about the Sabres, but I am talking about how Terry and Kim Pegula might be viewing this situation.

In regards to the Bills "tanking" is the last thing the Pegulas are thinking