AVS said to be mulling it's options for ROR...could Sabres trade be back on? [Archive] - BillsZone.com

DetDannyWilliams

06-14-2015, 04:35 PM

The Colorado Avalanche are willing to listen to offers for centre Ryan O’Reilly, Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman reported on Saturday’s Headlines segment on Hockey Night in Canada.
There is no guarantee the 24-year-old gets moved by the 2015 NHL Draft on June 26 – or moved at all for that matter – but Avalanche management will mull its options.

It’s expected the Avalanche would want help on the blueline in return for O’Reilly, who was drafted 33rd overall by the Avs in 2009 and is entering the final year of his contract before becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2016. His current salary cap hit is $6 million.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/colorado-avalanche-listening-to-offers-for-ryan-oreilly/

swiper

06-14-2015, 04:53 PM

How many times have we heard ROR to Sabres over the past 5 or 6 years? 15? 20?

Ginger Vitis

06-14-2015, 05:19 PM

How many times have we heard ROR to Sabres over the past 5 or 6 years? 15? 20?

Yep..Plenty of threads on ROR in the last 6 months and all of them are buried on page 5..6 and 7

casdhf

06-14-2015, 05:23 PM

We don't really need another center.

YardRat

06-14-2015, 08:17 PM

"Mulling options" = "If you want him, we'll listen, but you're going to pay through the nose to get him".

JATMtheJATM

06-14-2015, 08:49 PM

No thanks. I like him, he's a good player, but we would have to pay out the ass for him when he plays a position we are rich at now. We have other needs. Plus the return would likely be a youngster, likely zad, and he's almost untouchable to me.

Skooby

06-14-2015, 09:46 PM

We need good centers for all the lines but he's going to cost anyone who gets him real big.

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 01:03 AM

A middle of eichel-reinhart-girgensons-Larsson isn't good?

coastal

06-15-2015, 06:13 AM

Grigerenko, Zad and one of our 2nds for ROR

IN A HEARTBEAT!

give him a 4 year deal at $7.5 million per.

Eichel, ROR, Girgs and Larsson.

Reinhart for Marner.

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Plus the return would likely be a youngster, likely zad, and he's almost untouchable to me.
:rofl:

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 01:07 PM

We need good centers for all the lines but he's going to cost anyone who gets him real big.

We also forget that the guy seems extremely driven by money. I don't see him walking away from UFA where he will get an insane contract.

coastal

06-15-2015, 03:23 PM

We also forget that the guy seems extremely driven by money. I don't see him walking away from UFA where he will get an insane contract.
Is this your latest excuse for how this can't work?

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 03:25 PM

Is this your latest excuse for how this can't work?

nope. my point has remained. any deal involving zad is off the table. especially not for a guy who plays a position we are already at capacity with who may walk after a season and command a huge investment from.

we got our centers. let em grow.

coastal

06-15-2015, 04:35 PM

nope. my point has remained. any deal involving zad is off the table. especially not for a guy who plays a position we are already at capacity with who may walk after a season and command a huge investment from.

we got our centers. let em grow.
ROR is one of the best two way centers in the game right now. Aside from being a great mentor for Eichel, the next four years should be the prime of his career... same with Tyler Ennis. Moulson provides some solid vet coverage on the other wing.

That's a line that will win their Corsi number every single night.... for the next FOUR YEARS.

Put Samson in the place of ROR and he may get there 3 years from now.

MAY.

just like Zad... just like Grigerenko... may.

I want to build a 2nd line that will be impossible to play against for the next four years. You're banking on a hope of guys developing. Sorry, if your goal is to win hockey games, you're line of thinking makes no hockey sense whatsoever.

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 04:51 PM

No, I want to win hockey games. I just am patient enough to let what we have grow. Sorry if you disagree, but that's how I view it.

coastal

06-15-2015, 04:56 PM

Prospect porn for the next 3-4 years?

why if we can win now?

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 05:08 PM

Prospect porn for the next 3-4 years?

why if we can win now?

We arent going to win now anyways. The kids are too young to make that huge a difference this season.

coastal

06-15-2015, 05:33 PM

We arent going to win now anyways. The kids are too young to make that huge a difference this season.
Inspiring

swiper

06-15-2015, 05:34 PM

Is this your latest excuse for how this can't work?

No he just likes to hear himself talk. Wanna test me? Ask him about the weather.

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 05:56 PM

No he just likes to hear himself talk. Wanna test me? Ask him about the weather.

Watching you cry about that thread is hysterical.

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Inspiring
Give it a few seasons. We got alot of youth, but it's going to take some time to develop. Even the top end prospects.

Skooby

06-15-2015, 07:02 PM

We could win now but it won't be enough games to make a difference in the playoffs.

coastal

06-15-2015, 07:23 PM

Give it a few seasons. We got alot of youth, but it's going to take some time to develop. Even the top end prospects.
I'm not talking about dumping all of our prospects for a short term gain. I'm talking about cashing some of them in to win now and longterm.

Im proposing a hockey team that has a balance between vets, youth and players in their prime.

keep the handful of young players you believe in and use the rest as tradeable assets to add pieces that will supplement the ones you do keep.

There's plenty of questions about Grigerenko. Zad has begun raising questions. There's questions about Reinhart.

Move them all and a couple of draft picks to add a GREAT two way center in his absolute prime and a player projected to be out of the Patrick Kane model.

Seriously.... wtf is wrong with you?

coastal

06-15-2015, 07:24 PM

We could win now but it won't be enough games to make a difference in the playoffs.says who?

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 08:38 PM

I'm not talking about dumping all of our prospects for a short term gain. I'm talking about cashing some of them in to win now and longterm.

Im proposing a hockey team that has a balance between vets, youth and players in their prime.

keep the handful of young players you believe in and use the rest as tradeable assets to add pieces that will supplement the ones you do keep.

There's plenty of questions about Grigerenko. Zad has begun raising questions. There's questions about Reinhart.

Move them all and a couple of draft picks to add a GREAT two way center in his absolute prime and a player projected to be out of the Patrick Kane model.

Seriously.... wtf is wrong with you?

The fact that you take a simple philosophy difference on how to build a team so personal is puzzling.

And there are no questions about reinhart. He's listed as the top prospect in the league. Zad overslept. Once. Seriously, You are fabricating questions

mightysimi

06-15-2015, 10:03 PM

Well and booked the absolute last flight out of Russia.

I don't see how you win now even with O'Reilly. You are taking a big leap of faith that virtually everyone on the roster is going to greatly improve their play next season. Not to mention your goalies are tragic.

Don't get me wrong, I think O'Reilly is a decent pick up but I would only do it with an extension in place. As for Sam R. he has realistic 2 way talent. He can score you 25 and probably keep 30 out of your net. Even if the ceiling on him is 2/3's of what Toews is (and I think it's higher than that), I don't see how you move him.

JATMtheJATM

06-15-2015, 10:25 PM

My problem with giving up zad is I think he's going to be a great number 2 guy, or second pairing guy. But after zad, pysyk, and mccabe, the pipeline is rather dry. Plus, with zad being an unproven, his value, while still high, won't be as high to get oreilly. So the sabres would have to overpay. And in the midst of a rebuild, giving away multiple assets for one, who may or may not resign with the sabres, in an area we are already deep at, seems puzzling to me.

I did read that it may not take zad to get oreilly, it could be mccabe. If that's the case, I'd be fine with parting with mccabe.

But not zad. I just keep coming back to brent Seabrook when I watch him. Big body, smart in both zones, but not the number 1 guy....

Skooby

06-15-2015, 10:32 PM

says who?
It's my opinion & reality, we have a young team that needs to gel.

casdhf

06-16-2015, 05:16 AM

Why not just throw huge money at him next off season?

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 05:35 AM

Well and booked the absolute last flight out of Russia.

nitpicking here, but i think it was like puerto rico or something. but still, had the airline not overbooked his flight, he would have been back in time. but the airline bumped him.

but going back to this imaginary reinhart for arizonas pick (i say imaginary, because its just being tossed around as a fantasy trade idea)

my curiosity is piqued about the possibility of obtaining a patrick kane type player for a guy who has been compared to toews and patrice bergeron that coastal keeps harping on.

lets pretend this trade was actually being discussed by GMTM. its no doubt that coastal is undervaluing reinharts value. top prospect, potential cornerstone center with a great defensive game. that guy is going to be worth ALOT. coastal keeps saying trade reinhart and the 21st pick (i think its that pick..) wouldnt it be the other way around? marners stock has dropped some, alot of people are calling him a boom or bust pick. some think his size may limit his potential, whatever. hes projected to go as high as 3 and as low as 6.

so lets pretend GMTM wants to pick up arizonas pick to draft marner. wouldnt it be arizona who should have to pay more for reinhart? maybe say the 3rd pick and the 32nd pick for reinhart? or even more so, take a chance and if marner is there at, trade for the 5th pick, which is reportedly actually available? and if its the 5th pick, itll have even lower value, so carolina would have to add more.

obviously im getting ahead of myself, as i dont think reinharts even being shopped and much of this fantasy is fueled by the idea of getting the WJC super line back together, but even if i look at it from that angle, i wouldnt do it. reinharts a complete player. i just dont think id trade that for an undersized poor mans patrick kane.

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 05:42 AM

It's my opinion & reality, we have a young team that needs to gel.

this might be your best post. exactly. all these guys are really close in age and are still very raw. even if you put someone line ROR on the team, you are still looking at a bottom 10, probably bottom 5 team again next year. eichel will be good, but hes still going to be learning for the next several years. even if he does produce, hes still gonna develop in other areas. so you be patient, let the kids grow together, go through bumps, get bruises. its part of the rebuild. i know GMTM wants to accelerate the build, but it would be stupid to trade away young kids for guys in their prime now, hoping the stars align enough to squeak into the playoffs, which is a snowballs chance in hell. thats why i scoffed at the oshie idea. by the time the youngsters like eichel, risto, reinhart are entering their primes, oshie is about 32 or 33 and in decline. and we lost another piece for that? guy has as many 20 goal seasons as favorite whipping boy CoHo.

theyll be better this year, but not THAT much better. its best to be patient, sit tight, let the kids grow, and, as a bonus, collect another top 10 pick next draft to add to the plethora of young talent.

coastal

06-16-2015, 06:46 AM

More tanking LOL!!!

coastal

06-16-2015, 08:43 AM

Here's a question... who on the roster is here to mentor Jack?

OpIv37

06-16-2015, 08:56 AM

I know this is all conjecture but moving Reinhardt or any of our young guys for picks is stupid at this point. We've stockpiled enough picks. Time to develop them and acquire talent.

chernobylwraiths

06-16-2015, 10:17 AM

I didn't know we were a ROR away from Stanley Cup contention.

mightysimi

06-16-2015, 10:18 AM

nitpicking here, but i think it was like puerto rico or something. but still, had the airline not overbooked his flight, he would have been back in time. but the airline bumped him.

Haha it is nitpicking but in my military mind, taking the absolute last flight out is poor planning. I know that he is a kid and should learn from it. It is definitely not a reason to jettison a project.

I like Reinhardt and in my opinion you need guys like him to win. I would bet Chicago wouldn't be anywhere the same team with just Kane and no Toews.

chernobylwraiths

06-16-2015, 10:20 AM

I would bet Chicago wouldn't be anywhere the same team with just Kane and no Toews.

and vice versa

coastal

06-16-2015, 10:23 AM

Which is exactly why I support trading Reinhart and a pick for Marner.

Eichel is our Toews
Marner is our Kane

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 12:44 PM

More tanking LOL!!!

It's not tanking. It's a fact of a rebuild that it's not going to turn overnight.

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 12:47 PM

I didn't know we were a ROR away from Stanley Cup contention.

We are a ROR away from.... 27th?

coastal

06-16-2015, 01:05 PM

Maybe if we get Enroth to be our starter and only focus on drafting players, we can finish in the bottom 5 and get a shot at Auston Matthews next year.

mightysimi

06-16-2015, 01:09 PM

and vice versa

Not sure I agree.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/25113994/even-without-patrick-kane-the-blackhawks-keep-winning

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 03:24 PM

Maybe if we get Enroth to be our starter and only focus on drafting players, we can finish in the bottom 5 and get a shot at Auston Matthews next year.

Who said we are focusing on drafting high? It's a byproduct of a rebuild and having young players while they develop.

coastal

06-16-2015, 03:42 PM

Who said we are focusing on drafting high? It's a byproduct of a rebuild and having young players while they develop.oh geeeeeeezzzz... so this is just what happens?

thanks for explaining it.

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 04:09 PM

oh geeeeeeezzzz... so this is just what happens?

thanks for explaining it.

Well, watching you fly off the rails recently, I was sure it needed to be said.

coastal

06-16-2015, 04:59 PM

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 05:03 PM

It's a criticism of the "tank" you never got... when you create a culture of losing, whether it's for the future or not, it has long standing affects on an organization.

Murray even gets it... he's going to ramp back up as quickly as he can from here in the hopes that this past two years is quickly erased from the collective consciousness that is the Sabres organization.

quietly being patient and biding your time and playing for another top 10 pick isn't the way to do that.

Players aren't going to be patient... coaches aren't either... they're competitive by nature and anyone who really knows this game shouldn't have to have this explained to them.

you can take your patience and stick up your fat ass.

i want to win, Blysma wants to win and damn straight our shiny new franchise player wants to win. Go at it aggressively or wtf is the point?

I'm all for being aggressive when the right moves come along, not being aggressive for aggressives sake.

There are plenty of other moves out there that will have the same effect and won't cost top end prospects like zad.

And you certainly aren't going to see reinhart moved, and ROR isn't going to make that dramatic of a difference.

Murray wants to win, but he isn't stupid. It's not going to happen overnight cause they got eichel. Just like it didnt with the hawks and pens.

Ginger Vitis

06-16-2015, 05:07 PM

It's a criticism of the "tank" you never got... when you create a culture of losing, whether it's for the future or not, it has long standing affects on an organization.

Pittsburgh Penguin fans would disagree with you

Ginger Vitis

06-16-2015, 05:18 PM

Coastal the last 3 months

"I love the tank" " I dont love the tank" " I love the tank" "I dont love the tank"

SpikedLemonade

06-16-2015, 05:22 PM

Pittsburgh Penguin fans would disagree with you

Following the Penguins model:

(1) Club declares Bankruptcy --- CHECK

(2) Intentionally tank for more than one year -- CHECK

(3) Have fanbase no other fanbases respect -- CHECK

(4) Under perform despite talent -- PENDING

coastal

06-16-2015, 05:23 PM

I'm all for being aggressive when the right moves come along, not being aggressive for aggressives sake.

There are plenty of other moves out there that will have the same effect and won't cost top end prospects like zad.

And you certainly aren't going to see reinhart moved, and ROR isn't going to make that dramatic of a difference.

Murray wants to win, but he isn't stupid. It's not going to happen overnight cause they got eichel. Just like it didnt with the hawks and pens.
Nothing about what I've presented is short sighted or will cause longterm harm to the franchise.

ive proposed moving a couple of maybe prospects for a known, legit 2nd line pivot... u know... the position u crow about as your reason for not wanting to move Reinhart.

Speaking of Reinhart... I'm not flushing him... I'm talking about trading him for another prospect that would give the team some first line talent on the wing.... something outside of Evander... we don't have:

im bright enough to know some or all of this may never happen, but it's a cogent plan that addresses our needs and moves this team forward sooner rather than later.

all that you have presented is... be patient... let them grow and learn together...

murray isn't going to do that.

Ginger Vitis

06-16-2015, 05:31 PM

Lemieux led penguins maybe could have one a cup or 2 more but 2 cups aint bad... Penguins management at the time tanked massively hard in 1983-84 and id say it was more than worth it

Ginger Vitis

06-16-2015, 05:38 PM

Hey Mr. Pink.. Do you give a **** that Spiked doesn't respect the way the penguins went about getting Mario Lemiuex? lol Yeah I doubt Mr.Pink gives 2 ****s

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 05:54 PM

Nothing about what I've presented is short sighted or will cause longterm harm to the franchise.ive proposed moving a couple of maybe prospects for a known, legit 2nd line pivot... u know... the position u crow about as your reason for not wanting to move Reinhart.Speaking of Reinhart... I'm not flushing him... I'm talking about trading him for another prospect that would give the team some first line talent on the wing.... something outside of Evander... we don't have:im bright enough to know some or all of this may never happen, but it's a cogent plan that addresses our needs and moves this team forward sooner rather than later.all that you have presented is... be patient... let them grow and learn together...murray isn't going to do that.Murray is going to be patient when it comes to reinhart. He's even said he's going to let the group grow together. I know moves will be made. Your moves aren't moves I like. Nothing more, nothing less.

SpikedLemonade

06-16-2015, 05:59 PM

"Yeah...yeah...yeah...I'm an excellent GM...excellent GM...I can wait a hundred years...yeah...a hundred years...."

JATMtheJATM

06-16-2015, 06:23 PM

To expand on my last point, I want to move forward, but not pedal to the floor. I think next off season is when they should be aggressive. Especially since the free agent class should be alot stronger and the kids will be a year more developed and maybe then they can go for a spot. Maybe.

Dr. Who

06-17-2015, 01:42 PM

"Yeah...yeah...yeah...I'm an excellent GM...excellent GM...I can wait a hundred years...yeah...a hundred years...."

Enough with the infantile hyperbole. It only impresses the dummies.

Mr. Pink

06-17-2015, 02:08 PM

Hey Mr. Pink.. Do you give a **** that Spiked doesn't respect the way the penguins went about getting Mario Lemiuex? lol Yeah I doubt Mr.Pink gives 2 ****s

I still stand by Mario is the best hockey player I've ever seen play, unfortunately his health never gave him the longevity Gretzky was afforded to have. Tanking is never a bad thing, if done at the right time, in any sport. And I sure as hell don't care that people don't respect the 83 tank nor the 2003 tank.

You can be a middling team that never wins enough for 40 of 45 years or you can go all out tank job for a season or three and have 10 years of prosperity.

I'm sure the NBA Rockets didn't care that they tanked to get Olajuwon and a few chips nor did NFL Colts care that they tanked to get Luck only suffering one poor season in the past 17.

coastal

06-17-2015, 02:20 PM

Being a loser is our God-given right and no self righteous ass munch is going to make me feel ashamed of that...

WagonCircler

06-17-2015, 04:28 PM

Enough with the infantile hyperbole.

That's like asking an elephant not to be grey.

trapezeus

06-18-2015, 07:16 AM

always the same three losers feeding off each other.

mightysimi

06-18-2015, 03:55 PM

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/avalanche-gm-sakic-not-shopping-ryan-oreilly/

JATMtheJATM

06-18-2015, 04:38 PM

Good. We can end that silly fantasy.

coastal

06-18-2015, 06:54 PM

"Obviously, we’ll see where it all goes."
~ Joe Sakic

yeah that sounds like its a done deal. lol.

mightysimi

06-19-2015, 03:20 PM

Now here is a story playing the opposite side. Same website too.

What’s up with O’Reilly?
Colorado Avalanche forward Ryan O’Reilly is expected to be one of the hottest names heading into draft weekend.
O'Reilly carries a salary cap hit of $6 million for the final year of his contract and the Avalanche, despite being high on the player, are having difficulty coming to terms on an extension. The club acknowledged in a conference call earlier in the week that they would prefer if the talks did not become a distraction, so a trade could be the next step.
"They're hoping to sign him but they might not be able to and they likely can't," Friedman said on Sportsnet 590 The Fan. "So they're listening hard and the (Toronto) Maple Leafs would likely be interested.”
O'Reilly's future with the Avalanche has been in question almost constantly since he signed a two-year, $10 million offer sheet with the Calgary Flames in 2013.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-trade-chatter-latest-on-kessel-oreilly/