Report: Sabres Extend ROR

[Night Train]

http://sabres.buffalonews.com/2015/07/03/sabres-oreilly-agree-to-contract-extension-source-tells-the-news/

[coastal]

Good!

[mightysimi]

Are you really going to pay O'Reilly 8M per? I hope for your franchise's sake that isn't the case.

[coastal]

It won't be an overpayment in two years...
Give me a break.

perfect timing. Perfect player. Perfect situation.

[ParanoidAndroid]

I'm predicting 5 years, $38M.

[mightysimi]

It won't be an overpayment in two years...
Give me a break.

perfect timing. Perfect player. Perfect situation.

You don't think so? How are you going to pay Kane or Eichel when O'Reilly gets 15-20 goals and they get 30-35? Are you going to pay them 10M per?

That would make him one of the highest paid 2nd line centres in the league. I can only think of Malkin or maybe Pat Kane if he is playing the middle getting more and they are only 2nd line because of who is in front of them.

I do think he is good. I think he is what the team needs. But it has a ripple down effect. I also disagree that the market for 2nd line players will be north of 8M in 2 years.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Give him #11 too

[DetDannyWilliams]

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O'Reilly vai receber 8 Milhões nos Sabres por ano. Parabéns ao seu agente, muita competência.

O'Reilly will receive 8 Million in Sabres per year. Congratulations to his agent, great competence.

[WagonCircler]

You know, the way this is all coming together, it's like we lost the franchise for a few years and now we have them back. It will be fun to watch and root for a real hockey team again. A young, talented powerhouse in the making.

[Downinfloflo]

Now Derek Stepan is going to think he's worth $12m.

[DetDannyWilliams]

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Sabres announce they've signed Ryan O'Reilly to a 7 year extension.

[DraftBoy]

7 yrs and $52.5 million per ESPN. 7.5 per year average.

[DetDannyWilliams]

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres (https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 5m5 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/617046610099486721)</small>Buffalo, NY (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3Aa307591cd0413588)
O'Reilly contract with #Sabres (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sabres?src=hash) extended through 2022-23 season. Full details: http://goo.gl/YZqQeS (http://t.co/wH6O0LEsHH)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJAwnx6WEAAUq6J.jpg
(https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/617046610099486721/photo/1)

[DetDannyWilliams]

ap Hit: $7,500,000
AAV: $7,500,000
Total Value: $52,500,000
Length: 7 years
Type: Standard
Expiry Status: UFA


<tbody>
Year
NHL Salary
AHL Salary
Performance Bonus
Signing Bonus


2016-17
$11,000,000
—
—
$10,000,000


2017-18
$9,000,000
—
—
$8,000,000


2018-19
$8,500,000
—
—
$7,500,000


2019-20
$6,000,000
—
—
$5,000,000


2020-21
$6,000,000
—
—
$5,000,000


2021-22
$6,000,000
—
—
$5,000,000


2022-23
$6,000,000
—
—
$5,000,000

</tbody>
http://www.generalfanager.com/players/588

[casdhf]

Meaning they can't buy him out.

[Downinfloflo]

Buffalo had to give up an extra $2m per to offset the state of the franchise.

He's a forward that get's 1st line minutes, But he put's up 2nd line numbers.

He has averaged 17 goals per season in his NHL career...(Rick Nash get's paid $7.8m he scored 42 goals last year)

Pittsburgh paid less to land Phil Kessel, He also makes $1m dollars less a year than O'reilly and Kessel scores 25+ a season.

I really don't get the contract and why anyone think's this guy is star, Like I said before, Buffalo just paid $7.5m for a Ryan Callahan with less offense.

In 3 years when the honeymoon fades, You guys will be pissed with his contract and his production.


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[SpikedLemonade]

I hope it works out for the Sabres but that is a lot of money for the production this guy has put up so far.

[JATMtheJATM]

considering the league leader last year had, what? 87 points? the downtick in production is across the board.

[DetDannyWilliams]

we just signed his brother also...

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres (https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 17m17 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/617059358782980096)</small>Buffalo, NY (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3Aa307591cd0413588)
NEWS: The #Sabres (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sabres?src=hash) have signed Cal O'Reilly to a two-year contract.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJA8N29WIAAk1-N.jpg
(https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/617059358782980096/photo/1)

[DetDannyWilliams]

Buffalo Sabres ‏@BuffaloSabres (https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 40m40 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/617053715770540036)</small>Buffalo, NY (https://twitter.com/search?q=place%3Aa307591cd0413588)
O'Reilly highlights:Behind-the-back http://goo.gl/3dlV2E (http://t.co/1LFzpof7Vy)Burying a break SH http://goo.gl/RFpT94 (http://t.co/NgRwroNPtq)Big late goal http://goo.gl/ODIOB5 (http://t.co/T6WbhQBUXa)

[Downinfloflo]

considering the league leader last year had, what? 87 points? the downtick in production is across the board.

The reason for that is injuries, not talent level..

[SpikedLemonade]

In any event, it is good the Sabres are spending money.

This is where the mistakes happen especially for a GM who has never spent any real money on players before.

Peter C. was praised initially, but his spending ways left the Bruins in a mess.

[Dr. Who]

ROR is more than a numbers guy. He'll make everyone around him better.
Nice to see you back, flo. Guess you're over the Rags disappointment.
Noticed you disappeared just long enough to avoid getting any of your own back.
Now, you're here to join Spiked in making nice comments about another team.
Class. But you know, say whatever you like, because the Sabres are primed to make
multiple runs at the Cup over the next decade.

[DetDannyWilliams]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fitSz07EFEw

[DetDannyWilliams]

I hope it works out for the Sabres but that is a lot of money for the production this guy has put up so far.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHkyoWVAr_g

[Downinfloflo]

ROR is more than a numbers guy. He'll make everyone around him better.
Nice to see you back, flo. Guess you're over the Rags disappointment.
Noticed you disappeared just long enough to avoid getting any of your own back.
Now, you're here to join Spiked in making nice comments about another team.
Class. But you know, say whatever you like.

O'k..............First off let's just get this out of the way....

The Rangers won the Presidents Trophy last season, They made the playoff 9 out of the last 10 years, They went to the ECF 3 times in the last 4 years and the Finals once, So just shut up about "getting any back"..I should be saying, Welcome back to the NHL Buffalo Sabres if anyone says anything.

[DetDannyWilliams]

David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod (https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod)<small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> 10m10 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/617070859249803264)</small>
I can confirm that Ryan O'Reilly's 7-year, $52.5 million contract with the Sabres includes a full no-movement clause.

[camelcowboy]

Can we stick him in minors if for some reason it doesn't work?^

[SpikedLemonade]

Can we stick him in minors if for some reason it doesn't work?^

Will always count against the cap.

[coastal]

This is from the HF board... Seems pretty reasonable...


I really don't get everyone ******ing about the money. The guy's contract is already paying him $6.2 million this coming season. So he got a $1.3 million dollar raise. Wow, absolutely shocking!
What did you all expect? For him to say "Oh, well, since you just traded for me to be a leader, mentor, and 1st line center on your team and to help lead them out of last place for the last 2 straight years, I think I'll take a big discount to stay here through the prime of my career instead of going to (unrestricted) free agency in a year".
It's a fair contract. Fair cap hit. They are not going to need to buy him out. he is there to do a LOT more than just put up points. He is easily one of the hardest working players in the NHL and a work out warrior (so is Eichel). He said he covets having a leadership role. He will be leading the young Sabres players on the ice, off the ice and in the gym. Honestly, I can't think of a much better guy to lead our young kids by example. Well, any players who were actually available anyways...

[coastal]

https://twitter.com/mikekellynhl/status/617055696178298880

[WagonCircler]

When people used to talk about the Bills' cap management, there were always posters who would chime in with "Why do you people CARE that they overpaid for ________? It's Ralph's money!!!!!"

But there was/is a reason to care about overpaying NFL players. The salary cap is a much bigger concern.

There's a huge difference with the Sabres, though. They literally have it to give--both the cash and the cap room.

The Sabres are in fantastic cap shape, and they have a rich, free-spending, highly motivated owner.

This is a classic case of "Why do you people care?"

But it's really just the trolls stroking themselves. Nothing to see here.

[JATMtheJATM]

This is from the HF board... Seems pretty reasonable...


I really don't get everyone ******ing about the money. The guy's contract is already paying him $6.2 million this coming season. So he got a $1.3 million dollar raise. Wow, absolutely shocking!
What did you all expect? For him to say "Oh, well, since you just traded for me to be a leader, mentor, and 1st line center on your team and to help lead them out of last place for the last 2 straight years, I think I'll take a big discount to stay here through the prime of my career instead of going to (unrestricted) free agency in a year".
It's a fair contract. Fair cap hit. They are not going to need to buy him out. he is there to do a LOT more than just put up points. He is easily one of the hardest working players in the NHL and a work out warrior (so is Eichel). He said he covets having a leadership role. He will be leading the young Sabres players on the ice, off the ice and in the gym. Honestly, I can't think of a much better guy to lead our young kids by example. Well, any players who were actually available anyways...

I always hear of a young rebuilding team that moves multiple pieces for a final piece that gets a team to the promised land. While more moves need to be made, this could be the sabres.

Still, please don't move next year's first. Still need to add youth

[Skooby]

I looked at several awards he's been up for and have found that the other players around him are much older, which basically means he has room for improvement. He has the heart of a lion & incredibly classy, he won't shame the organization or embarrass the team on or off the ice. He will also lead this team and help us add a little under a point a game, which would obviously improve our chances of victory on a nightly basis.

$7.5 Million for a great player heading into his prime is cheap IMO, it will look even cheaper looking over the next several years.

[Skooby]

The reason for that is injuries, not talent level..

I think you're all wet & the coaching has gotten so much better in neutralizing these major talents with counter-balances to keep them off their game as best you can. Everything being equal, injury is not an excuse for any player.

[mightysimi]

I think you're all wet & the coaching has gotten so much better in neutralizing these major talents with counter-balances to keep them off their game as best you can. Everything being equal, injury is not an excuse for any player.

it is for pat kane or seguin who were both leading the league in scoring when they went down

[coastal]

I always hear of a young rebuilding team that moves multiple pieces for a final piece that gets a team to the promised land. While more moves need to be made, this could be the sabres.

Still, please don't move next year's first. Still need to add youthill agree with this for now... there is a need to develop the longterm health of the franchise.

so far in free agency Murray isn't doing anything rash. He's added a few minor league pieces and seems hell bent on rebuilding the success of the farm team. That speaks toward him having a longterm vision of how to rebuild the mess he took over.

The next step in that is what you're alluding to... we need to redevelop our prospects... as we just gave up a big chunk of ours over the past year.

[Skooby]

it is for pat kane or seguin who were both leading the league in scoring when they went down

I understand but part of winning something is finishing. Getting injured is a usually a mix of bad luck & bad timing, just like scoring goals.

[Downinfloflo]

The next step in that is what you're alluding to... we need to redevelop our prospects... as we just gave up a big chunk of ours over the past year.

Damn near all of them, Hockey's Future dropped the Sabres down to 6th after the trades. (My bad 6th even before the trades)

Do the Sabres have any 1st or 2nd rounders left on the roster since Tyler Myers draft??


Myers, was traded he was a 1st round pick.

Kassian/Coho, traded/released he was a 1st round pick.

Zad, traded he was a 1st round pick.

Grigs, traded was a 1st round pick.

Armia, traded was a 1st round pick.

Did Murray part with 7 1st round picks in the last two years?

[Downinfloflo]

it is for pat kane or seguin who were both leading the league in scoring when they went down

The reason for my vacation, Life is better when you don't read the internet.

[JATMtheJATM]

it is for pat kane or seguin who were both leading the league in scoring when they went down

kane had 64 points in 61 games. that comes out to 86 points over 82 games.

seguin had 77 in 71. that comes out to just under 89 points a full season.

that would have led the league in scoring. 89 points. so yes, scoring was down, which makes oreillys numbers a little more impressive.

[coastal]

Damn near all of them, Hockey's Future dropped the Sabres down to 6th after the trades. (My bad 6th even before the trades)

Do the Sabres have any 1st or 2nd rounders left on the roster since Tyler Myers draft??


Myers, was traded he was a 1st round pick.

Kassian/Coho, traded/released he was a 1st round pick.

Zad, traded he was a 1st round pick.

Grigs, traded was a 1st round pick.

Armia, traded was a 1st round pick.

Did Murray part with 7 1st round picks in the last two years?murray pretty much flushed Darcy and from a recent comment... doesn't think too highly of his predecessor's work.

I think moving forward he will be somewhat more conservative in his approach. I see him building the Amerk's up and then building the strengh of this organization over the next decade through the draft.

I do however think at some point he moves Reinhart for a top four defensemen.

[DetDannyWilliams]

The makeup of the extension is interesting. According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, all seven years come with a $1 million salary and the rest coming via signing bonuses. So O’Reilly protects himself from escrow and with all the bonus money, a buyout, sort of like what we saw with David Clarkson’s deal with the Maple Leafs.

The Avalanche were never going to be able to meet O’Reilly’s contract demands, so they found him a nice landing spot with the Sabres during Draft weekend. And if you want to blame anyone for O’Reilly’s $7.5 million cap hit, blame the Calgary Flames, who signed him to that giant offer-sheet in 2013, which was the beginning of the end for his time with Colorado.

That sound you just heard was Steven Stamkos laughing as he envisions the giant pile of money he’ll receive once he signs his extension.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ryan-o-reilly-inks-creative-7-year---52-5-million-extension-with-sabres-192124588.html
Ryan O'Reilly inks creative 7-year, $52.5 million extension with Sabres

[Downinfloflo]

FloFlos vacation was in the pokey

1997-99

[chernobylwraiths]

All picks by Darcy Regier. Maybe they were worth what we got back.

[Skooby]

The press called it a great deal for Buffalo if ROR got extended & after he got extended, the trolls here said it's way too much. What a joke.


The makeup of the extension is interesting. According to Sportsnet’s Elliotte Friedman, all seven years come with a $1 million salary and the rest coming via signing bonuses. So O’Reilly protects himself from escrow and with all the bonus money, a buyout, sort of like what we saw with David Clarkson’s deal with the Maple Leafs.

The Avalanche were never going to be able to meet O’Reilly’s contract demands, so they found him a nice landing spot with the Sabres during Draft weekend. And if you want to blame anyone for O’Reilly’s $7.5 million cap hit, blame the Calgary Flames, who signed him to that giant offer-sheet in 2013, which was the beginning of the end for his time with Colorado.

That sound you just heard was Steven Stamkos laughing as he envisions the giant pile of money he’ll receive once he signs his extension.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/ryan-o-reilly-inks-creative-7-year---52-5-million-extension-with-sabres-192124588.html
Ryan O'Reilly inks creative 7-year, $52.5 million extension with Sabres

[Downinfloflo]

I know his Sabres teammates think it's a great contract, They can't wait to sign new ones.

ROR's agent is incredible, I bet his phone has been wringing off the hook with new clients.

[BuffaloRedleg]

Murray has steered this ship almost as flawlessly as can be possible. I think he has earned the benefit of the doubt, but if in 2 years we aren't geared up and going then that will be a problem. Until then, relax people.

[DetDannyWilliams]

Murray pre-draft video ffwd to 5:00 mark talking about trades

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adding Salary is easy... you guys think it's hard... adding salary is quite easy

[JATMtheJATM]

I like the downplaying of ROR talents now that he's signed sealed and delivered to the sabres. Funny how that works.

[Downinfloflo]

I like the downplaying of ROR talents now that he's signed sealed and delivered to the sabres. Funny how that works.



ROR is a very good #2 center, He's not a $7.5m dollar hockey player, No matter how much sugar you try and put on it.

He's just below Derek Stepan, And Stepans not worth $7m no matter how much sugar you put on it.

[Skooby]

ROR is a very good #2 center, He's not a $7.5m dollar hockey player, No matter how much sugar you try and put on it.

He's just below Derek Stepan, And Stepans not worth $7m no matter how much sugar you put on it.

It screwed the Rangers real good as well, which I think is fantastic. ROR is mature beyond his years & is probably going to get better, especially with who he'll have around him.

[Skooby]

I like the downplaying of ROR talents now that he's signed sealed and delivered to the sabres. Funny how that works.

They trolls here who are still sore will always find a way to devalue or debilitate to try and make points here, without much success.

[Ginger Vitis]

They trolls here who are still sore will always find a way to devalue or debilitate to try and make points here, without much success.

FloFlo claims his life is better when he doesnt read the internet yet he cant stop reading this forum lol

[Skooby]

FloFlo claims his life is better when he doesnt read the internet yet he cant stop reading this forum lol
His disappearance after his team lost showed us his value here, his pride kept him busy under cover of guests at home.

[camelcowboy]

Rangers and bruins have had excellent off seasons # sarcasm they need to get their shots in while they can.

[JATMtheJATM]

Cool. Let's pay ROR to be our second line center. We already have a first line center, so if he plays the second, sounds sexy ro me.

[mightysimi]

Cool. Let's pay ROR to be our second line center. We already have a first line center, so if he plays the second, sounds sexy ro me.

In all reality he will probably be the #1. Maybe not on paper but I bet he takes the big draws over Eichel as he learns.

[JATMtheJATM]

In all reality he will probably be the #1. Maybe not on paper but I bet he takes the big draws over Eichel as he learns.

I'm talking long term. Hell, ROR might end up being our wing down the line if Reinhart develops into a first line center like he is projected to potentially be.

[Downinfloflo]

It screwed the Rangers real good as well, which I think is fantastic. ROR is mature beyond his years & is probably going to get better, especially with who he'll have around him.


Stepan has 2 options, Sign it, Or pack your ****, Rangers have plenty of #2 Centers on the roster (Hayes and Brassard), No need for a $7m second liner.

When you're not a competitive team, The salary cap is not something you have to think about.

ROR's contract was the death nail for Reinhart...Not Stepan. :whoosh:

[Downinfloflo]

With out me and Spiked posting here, None of you creep lurkers would ever post.

[Downinfloflo]

Rangers and bruins have had excellent off seasons # sarcasm they need to get their shots in while they can.

Presidents trophy and game 7 of the ECF....WTF you want them to do??? LOL

[Skooby]

With out me and Spiked posting here, None of you creep lurkers would ever post.
If you think you're keeping us on point or an even keel because of your posting, you've got another thing coming.

[Dude]

Presidents trophy and game 7 of the ECF....WTF you want them to do??? LOLNot choke next time.

[Downinfloflo]

Not choke next time.

I hear ya, They came within a "Brett Hull" toe lenght of making it, I'm sure you know how that feels.

[trapezeus]

Presidents trophy and game 7 of the ECF....WTF you want them to do??? LOL

scoring 2 goals a game sometimes was really what made them so dominant. and they probably would have really hung in there with the blackhawks. and they did so well against that goalie with the torn groin.

Rangers are done. they have no prospects, they have big contracts and worst off, they have their delusional fanbase thinking that next year is the year they get through and win it all.

henrik can't stomach a full season and long playoffs.

[JATMtheJATM]

Why does ROR spell the end of reinhart? That's just silly

[coastal]

ROR's contract was the death nail for Reinharti agree.

i see him as a tradeable asset at this point. He problem is you aren't going to get 2nd overall value for him.

[JATMtheJATM]

Oreilly will eventually move to the wing once eichel and Reinhart are ready for prime time minutes. Reinhart is GMTMS boy.

[coastal]

Oreilly will eventually move to the wing once eichel and Reinhart are ready for prime time minutes. Reinhart is GMTMS boy.
You're delusional.

ROR wants nothing to do with playing wing.

[JATMtheJATM]

You're delusional.

ROR wants nothing to do with playing wing.

Wasn't that one of the reasons you wanted him? Cause he can play all three forward positions?

[WagonCircler]

Oreilly will eventually move to the wing once eichel and Reinhart are ready for prime time minutes. Reinhart is GMTMS boy.

O'Reilly is only 24. Not 34. And he is just as much GMTM's boy as Reinhart.

[JATMtheJATM]

O'Reilly is only 24. Not 34. And he is just as much GMTM's boy as Reinhart.

I like Reinharts defense too much to put at wing. But oreilly is strong in his own end too. It's a toss up.

[WagonCircler]

I like Reinharts defense too much to put at wing. But oreilly is strong in his own end too. It's a toss up.

Well, if his Defense is strong enough to push ROR to wing, it's a great problem to have.

[Dr. Who]

Well, if his Defense is strong enough to push ROR to wing, it's a great problem to have.

It is a great problem to have.
It's annoying how quickly some are ready to treat Reinhart as a tradeable asset.
He ought to be nearly untouchable. The first forward picked in 2014 seems like a forgotten man. He's going to be really good.
Add him to Eichel, and the top six is going to be crazy good in a few years.

[Ginger Vitis]

I like Reinharts defense too much to put at wing.

Yep the Sabres need to put Reinhart in a position where his strengths are being utilized and that is at Center

[coastal]

I like Reinharts defense too much to put at wing. But oreilly is strong in his own end too. It's a toss up.how is it a toss up?

ROR is an NHL proven 200 foot, two way playing pivot who is getting paid $7.5 million for the next 7 YEARS! Blysma has said he's immediately the #1 center. ROR has said that is his preferred position and where he believes he can benefit the team the most. Eichel has now been drafted to be our franchise center and heis going to be manning the pivot on the 2nd line.

Last year, Reinhart started the year on the big club and was pushed down the depth chart and saw his playing time diminish in the 9 games he was here... only to end up back in junior hockey... where his production was far less than dominating.

Assuming Reinhart even makes the team, he's the 3rd or 4th center at best. Are you telling me the guy drafted 2nd overall last year is going to be a 3rd or 4th line center? If not... he's supposed to push ROR or Eichel to the wing?

Toss up?

How about you go toss off?!

Like it or not... as it stands Reinhart is the odd man out.

So instead of dooming the kid to a frustrating professional experience for the early part of his career or playing him on the wing where I don't think he's suited for... I'm advocating for moving him for a young top pairing defensemen or top line scoring winger. The problem is... I don't think you get that return for him right now.

So the question then becomes... what to do?

[Ginger Vitis]

Reinhart confirmed in a interview yesterday what I always suspected.. Sabres management didn't care about his production or the points he got in junior last year. They wanted him to work on things ie.weightlifting that would help him once he was ready for the NHL..

[JATMtheJATM]

how is it a toss up?

ROR is an NHL proven 200 foot, two way playing pivot who is getting paid $7.5 million for the next 7 YEARS! Blysma has said he's immediately the #1 center. ROR has said that is his preferred position and where he believes he can benefit the team the most. Eichel has now been drafted to be our franchise center and heis going to be manning the pivot on the 2nd line.

Last year, Reinhart started the year on the big club and was pushed down the depth chart and saw his playing time diminish in the 9 games he was here... only to end up back in junior hockey... where his production was far less than dominating.

Assuming Reinhart even makes the team, he's the 3rd or 4th center at best. Are you telling me the guy drafted 2nd overall last year is going to be a 3rd or 4th line center? If not... he's supposed to push ROR or Eichel to the wing?

Toss up?

How about you go toss off?!

Like it or not... as it stands Reinhart is the odd man out.

So instead of dooming the kid to a frustrating professional experience for the early part of his career or playing him on the wing where I don't think he's suited for... I'm advocating for moving him for a young top pairing defensemen or top line scoring winger. The problem is... I don't think you get that return for him right now.

So the question then becomes... what to do?

You do realize I'm talking long term, right? Eichel isn't a second line center, long term. Chances are, reinhart isn't either. First line potential down the line. If he starts on the third line this season, that's fine.

[coastal]

ok so longterm then... if Eichel is first line center and the future of this franchise and we are committed to ROR for the next 7 years... where does Reinhart fit in longterm...

and don't tell me that you plan to move ROR to wing.

That's not happening at $7.5 million/year. That would be a monumentally stupid allocation of resources for what would then amount to a two way winger.

[JATMtheJATM]

ok so longterm then... if Eichel is first line center and the future of this franchise and we are committed to ROR for the next 7 years... where does Reinhart fit in longterm...

and don't tell me that you plan to move ROR to wing.

That's not happening at $7.5 million/year. That would be a monumentally stupid allocation of resources for what would then amount to a two way winger.

I disagree completely. That's added insurance to me.

But if Reinhart was moved for the right piece like a young d-man, so be it. But it would have to be a young stud

[Downinfloflo]

ok so longterm then... if Eichel is first line center and the future of this franchise and we are committed to ROR for the next 7 years... where does Reinhart fit in longterm...

and don't tell me that you plan to move ROR to wing.

That's not happening at $7.5 million/year. That would be a monumentally stupid allocation of resources for what would then amount to a two way winger.

That's what I was thinking..The answer is, He don't, He will be showcased.

The drafting of Jack and signing of ROR made him expendable.

If the Sabres drafted 3rd this year, This would be a non issue.

[Downinfloflo]

scoring 2 goals a game sometimes was really what made them so dominant. and they probably would have really hung in there with the blackhawks. and they did so well against that goalie with the torn groin.

Rangers are done. they have no prospects, they have big contracts and worst off, they have their delusional fanbase thinking that next year is the year they get through and win it all.

henrik can't stomach a full season and long playoffs.

Figures....

You really don't know anything about the Roster...

The Rangers pay Rick Nash $7.5m a year and Henrik $8, Buffalo pays ROR a 17 goal scorer $7.5 and Moulson $6....So what's that about contracts?

Steapn is 25..

Kreider is 24..

Hayes is 23..

Fast is 23..

Etem is 23.. (Not on Roster last season)

Miller is 22..

Zuccarello is 27..

Brassard is 27..

Nash is 31...He is the highest paid forward on the team at $7.5 (Same as ROR), He makes $2m dollars more than the next highest paid player.

The Captain McD is 26..

Staal is 28..

Yandle is 28..

Klein is 30..

Girardi is 31..

Hank is 33..

Raanta is 26..

Halverson is 19..

Shesterkin is 19..

Hellberg is 24..


Rangers 3rd line is made up of players drafted in the 1st round of the 2010 draft.

They have their #1 pick from 2012 just join the system.

Pavel is Russia, Be over next season, Ryan Gropp was a nice pick up in the 2nd round of this past draft.

Yes the Rangers are up against the Cap, But they also have plenty of firepower if they ever decided to move players like Buffalo did.

When you make the playoffs like the Rangers, And you advance like they have the last 5 years, Players want to get paid.

If any of the guys on Buffalo turn out to be anything like most of you here think they will, You're gona pay out your ass in 3-4 years.

Jacks next contract alone is going to pass ROR, not to mention Kane, Samson, Risto and so on..

But anyway, Just wanted to point out you don't know **** about the Rangers.

[Dr. Who]

Well, why don't you go hang out on a Rangers' forum where people give a damn?

[Downinfloflo]

Well, why don't you go hang out on a Rangers' forum where people give a damn?

You thanked his post, If you're going to talk about something, Educate yourself a little on the subject.

[Dr. Who]

Hagelin was the only Rag I liked.
Now that he's gone, I'll pay even less attention.

[Ginger Vitis]

If you're going to talk about something, Educate yourself a little on the subject.

How many times have you been wrong on Jack Eichel and his intentions lol

[Downinfloflo]

How many times have you been wrong on Jack Eichel and his intentions lol

Same amount time you been right.

[coastal]

That's what I was thinking..The answer is, He don't, He will be showcased.

The drafting of Jack and signing of ROR made him expendable.im trying to bring jam jam there in steps, but I completely agree that Reinhart is going to be showcased this year in an effort to maximize his trade value.

Its not what I would do though. whats in the best interest of Samson and the organization is to spend the year in the AHL. He's an elite mental talent and an elite passer. Let him work all of next year on his skating and physical development the hard way... in the AHL. Do that and you may have quite the hockey player on your hands.

but that's not their goal IMO.

so yes... showcasing him seems to be where they're headed with him.

[JATMtheJATM]

im trying to bring jam jam there in steps, but I completely agree that Reinhart is going to be showcased this year in an effort to maximize his trade value.

Its not what I would do though. whats in the best interest of Samson and the organization is to spend the year in the AHL. He's an elite mental talent and an elite passer. Let him work all of next year on his skating and physical development the hard way... in the AHL. Do that and you may have quite the hockey player on your hands.

but that's not their goal IMO.

so yes... showcasing him seems to be where they're headed with him.

I disagree that's the plan. I think they are going to play him for the reasons you listed. He's an elite talent and mind.

[coastal]

I disagree that's the plan. I think they are going to play him for the reasons you listed. He's an elite talent and mind.
Ok... as the 3rd line center?

[Downinfloflo]

im trying to bring jam jam there in steps, but I completely agree that Reinhart is going to be showcased this year in an effort to maximize his trade value.

Its not what I would do though. whats in the best interest of Samson and the organization is to spend the year in the AHL. He's an elite mental talent and an elite passer. Let him work all of next year on his skating and physical development the hard way... in the AHL. Do that and you may have quite the hockey player on your hands.

but that's not their goal IMO.

so yes... showcasing him seems to be where they're headed with him.

He'll you could even leave him in the AHL and let him grow for 2 more years he's only 19 (best case in my opinion), No need to hurry him along now.

Sabres front office already knew at the 2014 draft ROR was a #1 target for them at the 2015 draft as far as trades, And they knew what players they would offer up.

Sammy was the insurance in case you guy's did not land Eichel...

Still not a bad spot to be in from the teams standpoint.

[coastal]

He'll you could even leave him in the AHL and let him grow for 2 more years he's only 19 (best case in my opinion), No need to hurry him along now.

Sabres front office already knew at the 2014 draft ROR was a #1 target for them at the 2015 draft as far as trades, And they knew what players they would offer up.

Sammy was the insurance in case you guy's did not land Eichel...

Still not a bad spot to be in from the teams standpoint.
It's a great spot and i agree there should be no rush with him.

one of things I noticed Murray said during one of the draft interviews... he is a BPA philosophy guy and went as far as to say that even if you don't need him the higher quality of player that you draft can translate into better return for when you do trade for a piece you need.

My immediate thought when he said that was Reinhart.

[JATMtheJATM]

Ok... as the 3rd line center?

Kids 19. What, you expect him to jump into the NHL and score 60 points? Eichel probably won't even hit that this season.

[Downinfloflo]

Kids 19. What, you expect him to jump into the NHL and score 60 points? Eichel probably won't even hit that this season.

The point is, He's better off on the 1st line in the AHL, Versus playing on the 3rd line in the NHL.

[coastal]

The point is, He's better off on the 1st line in the AHL, Versus playing on the 3rd line in the NHL.
Exactly... playing him with Foligno and Gionta on the third line isn't going to a damn thing for him.

[JATMtheJATM]

The point is, He's better off on the 1st line in the AHL, Versus playing on the 3rd line in the NHL.

I don't disagree with throwing reinhart in the AHL. But I certainly don't believe reinhart is being showcased for a trade.

[coastal]

I don't disagree with throwing reinhart in the AHL. But I certainly don't believe reinhart is being showcased for a trade.
then why play him this year on the big club if you have your top two centers and you agree that another year in the AHL would be beneficial?

and I'm honestly just asking dude.

[JATMtheJATM]

then why play him this year on the big club if you have your top two centers and you agree that another year in the AHL would be beneficial?

and I'm honestly just asking dude.

They think he can play, I guess.

He played wing in rochester last year. Maybe that's where they will put him till he gets comfortable?

[coastal]

They think he can play, I guess.

He played wing in rochester last year. Maybe that's where they will put him till he gets comfortable?now ask yourself why they would do that...

[JATMtheJATM]

now ask yourself why they would do that...

Because he's young? They have plenty of centers? Sometimes centers move to the wing?

[coastal]

They have plenty of centers? yes.

and if you agree that a year in Rochester would be in Samson's best interest... then why play him on the wing on the big club when I think most would concede that his talents are better suited to play center?

the answer I'm coming up with is that they are going to do whatever they can to showcase him in an effort to move him.

i think they're making a mistake with him by jamming him onto the big club.

[trapezeus]

very few GMs are going to try and move their first pick from their first draft, one year later. especially a gm like murray who was a good scout.

and moving reinhart to wing doesn't make sense to me. i'd rather have him slide down to 3 or 4 center and be a playmaker and make the team deep than have him try to fit into a new position on one side of the ice.

that's just me.

the only way i see reinhart going is if top defenseman being offered is a no brainer top d.

[JATMtheJATM]

very few GMs are going to try and move their first pick from their first draft, one year later. especially a gm like murray who was a good scout.

and moving reinhart to wing doesn't make sense to me. i'd rather have him slide down to 3 or 4 center and be a playmaker and make the team deep than have him try to fit into a new position on one side of the ice.

that's just me.

the only way i see reinhart going is if top defenseman being offered is a no brainer top d.

Like a 20 year old stud? Yeah, same here. And we already got one of those

[JATMtheJATM]

yes.

and if you agree that a year in Rochester would be in Samson's best interest... then why play him on the wing on the big club when I think most would concede that his talents are better suited to play center?

the answer I'm coming up with is that they are going to do whatever they can to showcase him in an effort to move him.

i think they're making a mistake with him by jamming him onto the big club.

It's july. He's not jammed on the big club yet. If the sabres feel he's ready, well, then they would know. But they've also said if he's not ready, he would go to rochester.

[coastal]

It's july. He's not jammed on the big club yet. If the sabres feel he's ready, well, then they would know. But they've also said if he's not ready, he would go to rochester.
just think things out man... there's a reason they are talking about his improved confidence... there's a reason hes talking about his willingness to change positions...

[JATMtheJATM]

just think things out man... there's a reason they are talking about his improved confidence... there's a reason hes talking about his willingness to change positions...

Yeah there is. But it's not a trade. It's because he's improving and looking the future star everyone thought he can be.

[coastal]

maddening.

You didn't trust me on the ROR idea.... and it went down almost exactly as I outlined. You came around on it as it looked like it was more than just a pipe dream.

I'm telling you dude... Reinahrt is a CENTER prospect and is an asset that is likely to be moved for another piece like a top pairing defensemen. Why... because we are committed to ROR and Eichel longterm.

How is that you can't see that he's the odd man out in this scenario?

[JATMtheJATM]

maddening.

You didn't trust me on the ROR idea.... and it went down almost exactly as I outlined. You came around on it as it looked like it was more than just a pipe dream.

I'm telling you dude... Reinahrt is a CENTER prospect and is an asset that is likely to be moved for another piece like a top pairing defensemen. Why... because we are committed to ROR and Eichel longterm.

How is that you can't see that he's the odd man out in this scenario?

You also came around on ennis and myers too. Relax. I don't see him getting traded. Him or ROR can shift to a wing, no sweat. Especially since the sabres are short on the wing. Girgs is moving to a wing too

[Downinfloflo]

You also came around on ennis and myers too. Relax. I don't see him getting traded. Him or ROR can shift to a wing, no sweat. Especially since the sabres are short on the wing. Girgs is moving to a wing too



Wings for everybody..

Wingers are a dime a dozen.