Looks like there is something about Darby that made me available at #50

[ghz in pittsburgh]

http://www.wgr550.com/Bills-rookie-faces-backlash-for-tweets/21721537

Remember that he was present at the (alleged) Winston rape scene. Now this.

[Meathead]

no idea what happened with the winston stuff, ie did he (darby) do anything wrong or not, but he has a point here

i didnt watch the video cuz that stuff makes me feel im losing iq points but if the woman was the physical aggressor then he has a right to defend himself. now did she give him a lame swipe and he whalloped her, that would make a difference. but if as reported she really was being physically violent and aggressive then hell yeah i woulda socked her in the yap too

same general point with michael brown and trayvon, when the agenda is strong enough we only look at one side of the wrong action, we dont look at the contributing wrong action and pretend it didnt happen. why arent we talking about her attacking him? why didnt we talk about the violent aggression in the other two cases? bc we are conditioned

[EDS]

Good thing he is good at playing football. Most HR departments do social media searches on job applicants these days and this type of thing would red flag him for sure, making it difficult to advance in a more traditional career setting.

[Oaf]

I didn't find anything wrong with the tweet. He came out and said it is never right to hit a woman. What gives?

[YardRat]

I'll never understand why athletes insist on ****ing around on social media. It can be a valuable tool if used properly, but many don't seem to understand that.

[Mace]

i didnt watch the video cuz that stuff makes me feel im losing iq points but if the woman was the physical aggressor then he has a right to defend himself. now did she give him a lame swipe and he whalloped her,

Try watching the video. He muscled a girl who got to the bar before him, she raises a fist like "don't mess with me" (seen it a million times in crowded bars, you step off, he's already at the bar anyway), he grabs her, starts moving her around, shoving her back and forth, after enough of it, she swings, then he does.

It's a cheap dumbass way to muscle a chick and good thing she didn't have a friend standing behind him or nearby with a better swing. In decades in bars of various repute and numerous bar fights, I never had an excuse to wallop a woman, and this looks like beer muscles tough guy to me.

Here you go, only need look at the beginning :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGGdlL5U61U

[BillsImpossible]

She threatened to hit him with a right, he grabbed her right arm in defense, but then she threw with her left.

Then he threw a right back at her.

The natural human reaction to being swung at in the face by anyone, male or female, is to hit back. Especially a football player.

She didn't slap him like a lady, she took a swing at him like a dude with beer muscles.

He worked his way up to the bar, (what's wrong with that?) and as soon as he did she met him with a clenched fist. Nice girl.

If that was a guy at the bar instead of Misses Hello I Want To Punch You, he'd be like, "No f8c!ing way bro! I'm buying your ass a drink!"

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This is why I avoid bars, and will NEVER get married.

[YardRat]

I dunno...my 'natural human reaction' to getting swung at by a female is not to hit back.

[mightysimi]

As much as I don't agree with him hitting her. Equal rights is all the way. You don't get to pick and choose which ones are equal and which ones aren't. The simple rule is don't be swinging unless you expect to be swung back at. Do you think she would have swung if she thought he would hit back? Probably not.

[Goobylal]

I have no sympathy for her. She instigated it by preventing him from getting to the bar, as if she owned it, and escalated it by raising her fist and then punching him with her other arm when he tried to restrain her. And if she hurled a racial epithet at him, it looks even worse for her. I hope she gets charged with assault as well.

[BillsImpossible]

I dunno...my 'natural human reaction' to getting swung at by a female is not to hit back.

Have you ever been physically attacked by a female?

I was attacked by a female when I was in high school. I didn't provoke anything, she came at me for a reason I honestly have forgotten. All I remember is that I let her beat the **** out of me with her razor sharp nails, did my best to protect my head and cover my face but the ***** was relentless and wouldn't stop.

When I noticed that I was bleeding my natural human instinct kicked in. I threw her off of me and then I punched her in the face. The fight was over. She got suspended, not me because of what everyone witnessed.

I still remember the principal asking, "Who threw the first punch?"

According to everyone who saw it, she did.

[Ginger Vitis]

This is why I avoid bars, and will NEVER get married.
You don't wanna get married because it would mean less time on this site?

[BillsImpossible]

On a football related note, it's good to know that Ronald Darby has a pair that are his own.

He makes some great points.

“What I want to know is whats happening to the girl that clearly hit De’andre first? It’s never right to hit a girl at all. But they have to get some kind of consequence as well. Yall can’t keep letting females provoke guys in all ways then walk free. Like?”

[BillsImpossible]

You don't wanna get married because it would mean less time on this site?

I'd rather be married to this site to be quite honest.

[Mace]

Video says the same thing to me every time. You don't grab anyone in a bar and start moving them around not expecting something.

So either some folks haven't been in many crowded bars and are escared of them figuring they are places where wild west takes over, or some folks need to believe they'd sock a woman instead of taking a step to the open place on the bar, or some folks are trying real hard not to watch the video.

Looks lame dumbass beer muscles every time I see it, and I'm not talking about the chick he elbows in the spine for emphasis when she gets to the bar ahead of him.

[BertSquirtgum]

I'll slap a ***** if she hits me in the face for no reason. BAM. POW, right in the kisser.

[BillsImpossible]

Be honest, have you ever, "bumped," your way up to the bar to be met by a girl with a right hand ready to smash your face?

I have schmoozed and grooved my way up to many watering holes all across the United States over the years and have never met a lady at the bar greeting me with a clenched fist.

[Mace]

Be honest, have you ever, "bumped," your way up to the bar to be met by a girl with a right hand ready to smash your face?

I have schmoozed and grooved my way up to many watering holes all across the United States over the years and have never met a lady at the bar greeting me with a clenched fist.

Yep, I have, and I never grabbed her, moved her around, elbowed her in the spine and punched her in the face. Watch the video again, he tried to pick a fight with a short chubby girl, and punched her in the face when she wouldn't back off from his majesty. Watch it a few more times, it's how it is.

[yordad]

I think he is the aggressor.

[Mace]

I think he is the aggressor.

He has to be, she got there first and he gained open space at the bar next to her for a drink.

[YardRat]

Have you ever been physically attacked by a female?

I was attacked by a female when I was in high school. I didn't provoke anything, she came at me for a reason I honestly have forgotten. All I remember is that I let her beat the **** out of me with her razor sharp nails, did my best to protect my head and cover my face but the ***** was relentless and wouldn't stop.

When I noticed that I was bleeding my natural human instinct kicked in. I threw her off of me and then I punched her in the face. The fight was over. She got suspended, not me because of what everyone witnessed.

I still remember the principal asking, "Who threw the first punch?"

According to everyone who saw it, she did.

Not by any female that actually made me think I was going to get my ass kicked in if I didn't punch back.

Interestingly enough, I had a conversation just today with a co-worker that was relevant to this issue. Long story short, a women went bat-**** crazy on him one time and started throwing punches, getting in his face, etc. He didn't punch her back, but he got her to settle down and stop. How? "If you don't knock it off I'm going to kick the **** out of your boyfriend right now, while you watch."

[Edward Robinson]

Try watching the video. He muscled a girl who got to the bar before him, she raises a fist like "don't mess with me" (seen it a million times in crowded bars, you step off, he's already at the bar anyway), he grabs her, starts moving her around, shoving her back and forth, after enough of it, she swings, then he does.

It's a cheap dumbass way to muscle a chick and good thing she didn't have a friend standing behind him or nearby with a better swing. In decades in bars of various repute and numerous bar fights, I never had an excuse to wallop a woman, and this looks like beer muscles tough guy to me.

Here you go, only need look at the beginning :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGGdlL5U61U

Its funny cause I see it quite different.

I see a likely underage chick and guy who both may be already drunk racing to get to the bar. The chick keeps leaning into dude while he still attempts to get to the bar. As he gets right to the bar she turns into him and words are exchanged. He sees her fist balled up and for whatever reason feels like he needs to restrain her closed fist. At this point she gets frustrated and punches the guy in the face and he on impulse punches her in the face.

Now he should have just walked away and you never put your hands on a woman. All parties are wrong in this case.

The woman who couldn't hold her liquor and hit the underage guy who already may have been drunk who was trying to get drink.

The underage guy getting aggressive, restraining and then hitting the drunk woman after he gets hit.

The bar staff who pretends to not seeing anything happen who did not come to the aid of either party.

I don't care what people say just like some boys and men some girls and woman just live for the drama and will always catch people up in their misery. You just have to take the higher road and learn how to see drama coming and get away if you don't want to be a part of it.

[BillsImpossible]

Video says the same thing to me every time. You don't grab anyone in a bar and start moving them around not expecting something....and I'm not talking about the chick he elbows in the spine for emphasis when she gets to the bar ahead of him.

You are exaggerating things. He didn't, 'grab her shoving her back and forth," as you imply. That's a load of poo.

[OpIv37]

I dunno...my 'natural human reaction' to getting swung at by a female is not to hit back.

And herein lies the problem.

I'm not defending hitting a woman, but the problem is that men in Western society are socially conditioned to NEVER hit a women. The reality is that some women are *****es and will take advantage of that, hitting a man- even a bigger, stronger man- without fear of repercussions. And anyone who thinks women can't hit should come to a sparring session with me sometime. How much of a beating is a man supposed to take before he can defend himself?

BTW, I think this is the point Darby was trying to make, but he's also apparently not articulate and was limited by Twitter's character limit. Bad combination.

[Uncle Jesse]

Sometime sluts need a good punch, they think they are untouchable because they are females.

[Mace]

How? "If you don't knock it off I'm going to kick the **** out of your boyfriend right now, while you watch."

I actually had someone say that to my girlfriend, similar to the video except she didn't raise her fist. It worked out very poorly for him. He didn't know I was standing next to him, and I heard it clear in a gap in the music. I saw him elbow her in the back with open bar next to him as I was coming up. I feel bad about it looking back (I wasn't a very nice person), but it's best to not pick on people or you earn what you paid for. I never tried to muscle women, so...

[Mace]

You are exaggerating things. He didn't, 'grab her shoving her back and forth," as you imply. That's a load of poo.

Not if we're watching the same video. You ever done that to someone in a bar, ever had someone do that to you ? He tried to muscle a short chubby girl at the bar, clear as day.

[Skooby]

Personally speaking only, I'd recognize this skank looks like a problem upfront and avoid her. I can spot a drunken pig pretty early and know that she's out for trouble, which this guy should be looking to avoid. He shouldn't of punched her and should of just walked away after she went ballistic, he can and could outrun her so it's his place to do that.

Now if she was armed or had a weapon, blast her immediately in tight quarters without hesitation. I'd then stomp on her just to make sure but since his wasn't the case, she did nothing but get mildly physical with him.

He could of warning slapped her as well, which probably would of been taken as an attempt to stop her.

[Mace]

Same stuff, it's a bar, a woman got there ahead of you ahead of you, terrible dilemma. Yank her around and punch her. Nah.

Man up or pick a fight with a short chubby girl because you're manning up to pick a fight with a girl.

Your choice, clear as day.

Deal with it.

It's pretty obvious. Poor beleaguered guy that didn't try and muscle other men, easier to muscle a girl, with open bar next to him, try again ?

[Albany,n.y.]

Its funny cause I see it quite different.

I see a likely underage chick and guy who both may be already drunk racing to get to the bar. The chick keeps leaning into dude while he still attempts to get to the bar. As he gets right to the bar she turns into him and words are exchanged. He sees her fist balled up and for whatever reason feels like he needs to restrain her closed fist. At this point she gets frustrated and punches the guy in the face and he on impulse punches her in the face.

Now he should have just walked away and you never put your hands on a woman. All parties are wrong in this case.

The woman who couldn't hold her liquor and hit the underage guy who already may have been drunk who was trying to get drink.

The underage guy getting aggressive, restraining and then hitting the drunk woman after he gets hit.

The bar staff who pretends to not seeing anything happen who did not come to the aid of either party.

I don't care what people say just like some boys and men some girls and woman just live for the drama and will always catch people up in their misery. You just have to take the higher road and learn how to see drama coming and get away if you don't want to be a part of it.

She's 21, he's underage. The way I see it, the state liquor authority should be shutting the place down, especially if Fla. St. football players get admitted & can drink there without proper ID.

[Meathead]

ugh. why am i even surprised there are totally differing opinions about what happened in the vid. now i guess youre going to force me to watch it. i feel like im about to watch human ****** wild kingdom. oh well here goes

[Meathead]

oh geez

yeah hes at fault all the way. shes at fault too, but its like 2 to his 10. i was expecting something way more violent on her part. she did raise her fist but its hardly cocked, and its more a playful threat than a real one. from that angle she could do no harm at all. she does try to knee him and gets a lame left swat in, and he whallops her. shes not really a threat, and he turns a benign interaction into real violence. id suspend him now and never look back. he could have easily avoided the whole thing but he escalated.

classic over entitled hyper macho tendency to violence black male. you could just say male but that particular kind of black males have an especially pronounced machismo on stuff like this. exactly the kind of black male i do not like and that i socially fight against all the time. those guys have to be called out and socially rejected, but thats not the place we are at in this cycle. instead we protect them and find reasons to let them off the hook. the diseased minds among us will see racism, which is absurd. i love black folks, but i definitely hate that kind of male

[Meathead]

theres a type of black male thats just a flat out douche. theres a type of male thats a flat out douche, but bc we are in this place where we cant criticize blackness lest we be called racist theres no pushback on that type of black guy so they have proliferated like mice in a viagra factory. its the same male role model being portrayed in popular cultural black music for the last twenty plus years. no wonder they think the white man is the devil and they have to be hard as hell all the time. we need to collectively stand up against that pattern and make it clear that it is unacceptable - and not just when some guy socks a drunk chick at a bar

i was just having this conversation with one of my black male friends, again. hes very frustrated that douchebag black males are not being called out. he told me he saw one young punk actually shoulder check a white senior citizen! he said he bawled him out over it, and the guy looked at him like he was crazy, like why are you ripping on me for disrespecting a white man

standing in his front yard in the ghetto im always saying hello to passerbys. half of the black males dont even acknowledge me AT ALL, like im invisible. i keep doing it bc im trying to change minds but its like pissing in the wind. race issue ******s, who for the moment will remain nameless, only hurt that cause by providing cover. stop protecting bad blackness and start calling it out

[YardRat]

Must be "**** or Fight?" isn't as effective of a pick up line as it used to be.

[Meathead]

Long story short, a women went bat-**** crazy on him one time and started throwing punches, getting in his face, etc.

this is what i was expecting from this video, but it was far from that. it was just a drunk chick getting jostled a little and raising a lame fist that i literally interpreted as more playful then anything. at that point he should have just backed away and said sorry but he got aggressive. thats the point right there that his decades of pre-programming failed. its like you can see the gangsta misogyny pouring out of him

sure, if she was going bat ѕhit crazy and assaulting him then let her have it so you can not get injured and get away. doesnt look like that was happening here at all

[YardRat]

One of the bartenders is dressed like the maid in Bird Cage. Just sayin'...

[Night Train]

Most football players are just dumb mercenaries passing through.

That's breaking news.

[kishoph]

She is not innocent, but I don't care, a man does not hit a woman. If she had a weapon and was threatening his life, then it would be a different story, but because she made a feeble attempt at hitting him or used an racial epithet, give me a ****in break. I have 3 Daughters and 2 Granddaughters and I guarantee if i ever see/seen a man hit a woman, I would react.

[Goobylal]

She's at fault. There was an open space next to her and she purposely blocked him from getting to the bar. Who the F does she think she is, the owner? Then she holds up a fist, so he restrains her. Only after she makes the monumentally bad decision to hit him does he strike her back. And a racial epithet was allegedly tossed in there. She better get nailed for assault as well.

[imbondz]

My natural reaction would have been to say excuse me, and let her get a drink before me. But I'm a man, dude who hit her is a punk who needs to be punched.

[imbondz]

We don't know what was being said either. He could have been calling her all sorts of names.

[Ingtar33]

1) alcohol clearly played a roll in everyone's decision making, that much is 100% crystal clear
2) we don't know what she said, not defending him, but it looks like she's jawing him hard there and that probably provoked a bad reaction
3) he's underage, that place should be shut down, and he should be kicked off the team for that fact alone. ignoring the punch to the girl, underaged kid drinking should be booted from his football team. it's just that simple.

setting those points aside.

her punch was a girly punch by a drunk girl. she didn't even move him with it. that dude looks like the wall of muscle i wish i was when i was playing in college. I've been in a number of fights throughout my life, and if a chick hit me in the face like that i'd probably bust a gut laughing about it; i doubt she even bruised him with that swing. The antiquated caveman inside of me says you never EVER hit girls. I've never even raised my fist to one, let alone swung at one. that's just what you learn on the playground growing up, real men don't punch girls. It's not very liberated of me, i know, but i've never claimed i was particularly politically correct. Now looking at it from a PC/equal rights standpoint, if that was some guy who swung on him, i think we'd all be laughing about the idiot who swung on that wall of muscle. So what bugs me most about this is the lack of intellectual consistency in this case.

Either:
-you're a PC/equal rights type of person, and SHOULD be saying she got what was coming to her for swinging on him (seriously it was a belligerent move to raise a fist at some dude trying to squeeze up to the bar, i don't care what gender you are, that's someone looking for a fight)
-or you're a old school type of person who thinks anyone swinging on a girl deserves to be hung up by their ballsack and have their mancard burned.


I suspect some of the intellectual dishonesty floating around this issue comes from the fact that
1) a black man swung on a white woman
2) a young gangsta swung on a white woman
3) a young football player from a school where another young football player (probably) raped a girl and got off (probably) thanks to the cops being fans, swung on a white woman
4) ray rice
5) greg hardy
6) equal rights feminists never were particularly for equal rights/treatment in the first place, just equal rights when convenient.

[Mace]

My natural reaction would have been to say excuse me, and let her get a drink before me. But I'm a man, dude who hit her is a punk who needs to be punched.

That's pretty much it. Excuse me, and move to the open spot next to her where he put his hand on the bar, and bartenders see in terms of their serving order. The elbow in the back was obvious.

Anyway, I still just see a guy picking a fight with a girl.

[BillsImpossible]

She's at fault. There was an open space next to her and she purposely blocked him from getting to the bar. Who the F does she think she is, the owner? Then she holds up a fist, so he restrains her. Only after she makes the monumentally bad decision to hit him does he strike her back. And a racial epithet was allegedly tossed in there. She better get nailed for assault as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if this white trash ***** called him a, "******."

What if that's the case? What if she raised her fist and said, "Get your ****** ass out of my way before I punch you in your ****** mouth?"

Eh?

[Mace]

I wouldn't be surprised if this white trash ***** called him a, "******."

What if that's the case? What if she raised her fist and said, "Get your ****** ass out of my way before I punch you in your ****** mouth?"

Eh?

Delusions of grandeur, visions of splendor, you'll be the one to punch out a short chubby girl in a bar because she had it coming, and then you won a bar fight, "Oh man I was Chuck Norris in my day."

Nah, it's a guy picking a fight with a girl.

[chernobylwraiths]

Got some real neanderthals here.

She was the aggressor, she took the first swing, she tried to block him from getting to the bar regardless of if he was pushing a little.

I think he did the RIGHT thing in grabbing her right arm as it was ready to swing at him, he was a little aggressive in holding it. But he should never ever ever ever have hit her like that. This isn't some reaction thing, it was calculated. He get hit and got pissed so he threw his punch and he will live with the fallout from that forever.

Why do you never hit a girl? Because men, especially BIG men who are physically imposing men can't lose a fight to a little woman like that, especially a drunk one. Any guy saying he would hit a woman like that is a weak small man. You have to feel the need to show a woman you can beat her? How manly of you.

Now, should women who act that way get off scott free? No. But she did get punched in the face and will have to live with that too. Yes there is always blame to share or at least accountability, but there is just no need to hit a woman.

[BillsImpossible]

Delusions of grandeur, visions of splendor, you'll be the one to punch out a short chubby girl in a bar because she had it coming, and then you won a bar fight, "Oh man I was Chuck Norris in my day."

Nah, it's a guy picking a fight with a girl.

I respectfully disagree, Mace.

Good to know that we can all disagree and don't have to worry about getting our heads chopped off for such blasphemous disagreements.

If this woman did such a thing in Syria, Iran or Iraq, she wouldn't be alive today.

Disagreement is good.

See that, people? I didn't even have to call Mace a nasty name to disagree with him.

No head chopping required.

[BillsImpossible]

That's pretty much it. Excuse me, and move to the open spot next to her where he put his hand on the bar, and bartenders see in terms of their serving order. The elbow in the back was obvious.

I honestly don't see the elbow in the back, Mace. If he actually did that, I don't blame her for getting pissed off but I didn't see s jab in the back.

Why didn't he just pinch her ass and greet her with a nice smile instead?

Too old school?

Would anyone be surprised if these two wound up getting married?

[Mace]

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing. But I've been in a lot of bars and a lot of bar fights, and I have looked at this vid a dozen times to see, always, a guy picking a fight with a short chubby girl.

You always get an element of people envisioning their glory winning a bar fight against a girl who was this supremo bar warrior Evil Queen of masculinity decimation and try and envision a world of physical equality when even Ronda Rousey will tell you why she won't fight a guy.

That girl was not Ronda Rousey, the dude initiated physical contact which makes him the aggressor, he maintained it which makes him more the aggressor, and there aren't many common sense laws that say you can lay hands on a person and maintain it because they pretended they weren't short chubby girls muscled at a bar and made a move to defend their space without acting on it, since it was a girl and all). If she'd been fortunate enough to have a great left, and so few short chubby girls at bars have a really formidable one, or if she'd have had someone standing behind him or next to her that laid him out (and rightfully so, as by all common sense you don't let anyone do that to someone you care about in a bar), it would be an entirely different story.

So did an athlete have a right to punch a short chubby girl in a bar and figure he was justified ? No. If that was a short chubby guy was it justified ? No.

He picked a fight with a girl in a bar.

[Mace]

I honestly don't see the elbow in the back, Mace. If he actually did that, I don't blame her for getting pissed off but I didn't see s jab in the back.

Why didn't he just pinch her ass and greet her with a nice smile instead?

Too old school?

Would anyone be surprised if these two wound up getting married?

Honestly, you say excuse me, move to the very obvious open space next to her at the bar, don't pick a fight with a girl, and maybe buy a round because you're a college QB, if you don't feel a need to prove your manly chops against a short chubby girl in a bar.

Don't know how many ways I can say it different, he clearly picks a fight with a girl.

[BillsImpossible]

I don't have a problem with people disagreeing. But I've been in a lot of bars and a lot of bar fights, and I have looked at this vid a dozen times to see, always, a guy picking a fight with a short chubby girl.

You always get an element of people envisioning their glory winning a bar fight against a girl who was this supremo bar warrior Evil Queen of masculinity decimation and try and envision a world of physical equality when even Ronda Rousey will tell you why she won't fight a guy.

That girl was not Ronda Rousey, the dude initiated physical contact which makes him the aggressor, he maintained it which makes him more the aggressor, and there aren't many common sense laws that say you can lay hands on a person and maintain it because they pretended they weren't short chubby girls muscled at a bar and made a move to defend their space without acting on it, since it was a girl and all). If she'd been fortunate enough to have a great left, and so few short chubby girls at bars have a really formidable one, or if she'd have had someone standing behind him or next to her that laid him out (and rightfully so, as by all common sense you don't let anyone do that to someone you care about in a bar), it would be an entirely different story.

So did an athlete have a right to punch a short chubby girl in a bar and figure he was justified ? No. If that was a short chubby guy was it justified ? No.

He picked a fight with a girl in a bar.

He wasn't getting his ass kicked enough to react in such a violent way. Agreed!

If she laid his ass out with a clean left, and then continued to hit him in the holy cojones, then yes, he had the right to fight back like David Horowitz did back in the 80's.

[Mace]

He wasn't getting his ass kicked enough to react in such a violent way. Agreed!

If she laid his ass out with a clean left, and then continued to hit him in the holy cojones, then yes, he had the right to fight back like David Horowitz did back in the 80's.

Absolutely. Horowitz was a street fighting legend. He dropped me 5 times easy when I was saucy enough to challenge his innate understanding of cultural sociology over too much white wine. And you always wanted to be behind Horowitz when he bellied up to the bar, his instinct was uncanny.

[BillsImpossible]

Musical interlude:

It all started with a jumping snake in a peanut butter jar.

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[BillsImpossible]

Absolutely. Horowitz was a street fighting legend. He dropped me 5 times easy when I was saucy enough to challenge his innate understanding of cultural sociology over too much white wine. And you always wanted to be behind Horowitz when he bellied up to the bar, his instinct was uncanny.

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[Downinfloflo]

My Mommy and Daddy said, when someone does something wrong, you spank them, Sometimes with a belt, A stick.......etc.

We carry that on as adults and wonder why..

[BertSquirtgum]

I hope people realized my previous comment was not serious. I just watched the video again. I thought he slapped her. Which, is still not right if that was the case. He punched her hard with all his might. Dude is a ***** and deserves everything that's coming to him. What a moron. Ruined any chance he had at being a millionaire. I don't feel bad for him at all.

[kishoph]

I respectfully disagree, Mace.

Good to know that we can all disagree and don't have to worry about getting our heads chopped off for such blasphemous disagreements.

If this woman did such a thing in Syria, Iran or Iraq, she wouldn't be alive today.

Disagreement is good.

See that, people? I didn't even have to call Mace a nasty name to disagree with him.

No head chopping required.

Unfortunately for De'Andre Johnson he lives in a Country that is a little more civilized than Syria, Iran or Iraq, so he needed to walk away and act like a man.

[JoeMama]

Man, those two are fighting in my old spot.

I nabbed that middle seat every time I drank there between 2006-2009.

I should punch both of them for not respecting my personal drinking area.

[MikeInRoch]

People seem to be acting like Darby said it was ok for him to hit the woman. That's not at all what he actually said.

[Goobylal]

My natural reaction would have been to say excuse me, and let her get a drink before me. But I'm a man, dude who hit her is a punk who needs to be punched.


People seem to be acting like Darby said it was ok for him to hit the woman. That's not at all what he actually said.
He didn't. What people are foolishly over-blowing is he assigned some blame to the girl and asked what her punishment will be.

[MikeInRoch]

Her blame *is* non-zero in this incident. So I think it's a reasonable question to ask.

[Mace]

Her blame *is* non-zero in this incident. So I think it's a reasonable question to ask.

So what exactly did she do that was a criminal offense ? She took a swing after he grabbed her, kept his hand on her, and maintained that grip. (if you actually watched the video). If someone grabbed you, whoever, and doesn't let go, moves you around against your will (he in fact shoved her hand into her neck and pushed her back on her stool), you'd let them and self defense (no matter how feeble) isn't justified ?

What do you see here that makes her blame non-zero ? He had open bar next to her. Her blame was zero as it gets in a crowded bar and you've ever been in one without trying to pick a fight with a girl.

[ICRockets]

So what exactly did she do that was a criminal offense ? She took a swing after he grabbed her, kept his hand on her, and maintained that grip. (if you actually watched the video). If someone grabbed you, whoever, and doesn't let go, moves you around against your will (he in fact shoved her hand into her neck and pushed her back on her stool), you'd let them and self defense (no matter how feeble) isn't justified ?

What do you see here that makes her blame non-zero ? He had open bar next to her. Her blame was zero as it gets in a crowded bar and you've ever been in one without trying to pick a fight with a girl.

Pretty clear-cut "Drunk and Disorderly" isn't it?

[Mace]

Pretty clear-cut "Drunk and Disorderly" isn't it?

Her or him ? I really don't see where she did anything wrong. If you figure there had been a bouncer standing right behind them, only one person is going to get to kiss the concrete outside. If it ends there, it's drunk and disorderly for him if the cops even show up and they call them, but probably he only gets a brisk walk outside.

You don't grab people and hold onto them against their will though, that's assault. If they swing back at you it's self defense because they were drunk and disorderly and assaulted you, whether or not you were a short chubby girl. You don't ever lay hands on people and keep them there in my experience.

[Goobylal]

Wrong. If anyone, she should be charged with assault for raising her fist to him, given the definition of assault is "The act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person." Hence his action of grabbing her was self-defense.

[imbondz]

Wrong. If anyone, she should be charged with assault for raising her fist to him, given the definition of assault is "The act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person." Hence his action of grabbing her was self-defense.


Wow. Or he could have been a man and said something like, hey my bad, I'll move over here and get a drink.' He obviously thought it was ok to hit a girl or he wouldn't have done it. Guarantee he was calling her all sorts of names.

[Goobylal]

Wow. Or he could have been a man and said something like, hey my bad, I'll move over here and get a drink.' He obviously thought it was ok to hit a girl or he wouldn't have done it. Guarantee he was calling her all sorts of names.
What do you think he was trying to do? There was a wide open space next to her and she kept blocking him from getting there for some inexplicable reason. And I'm sure he didn't think about hitting her...until she hit him first. And according to witnesses, she called him a "f***ing n*****" while I haven't heard any reports of him calling her any names.

[Mace]

Wrong. If anyone, she should be charged with assault for raising her fist to him, given the definition of assault is "The act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person." Hence his action of grabbing her was self-defense.

I don't know if you ever actually went to alcohol imbibing social occurrences, or have been in court trying to explain them, or have faced charges or either been convicted of them or gotten off, but watching the video I still see a guy picking a fight with a girl, and watching the same video yet again, I can see a grim faced judge giving you a lecture before sending you off to county for 30 days where you can learn to appreciate women because you probably just became one of them.

If that girl was a guy, and anyone here, or anyone you know, who is going to say they'd take what he did, or allow it to happen to a friend, and hold their head up when they walk outside tomorrow ? Even extreme pacifists would remember being bullied and be upset about it.

No one. Hardly even matters it was a girl, except it was. Deal with it. Your hero picked a fight with a girl in a bar.

[Goobylal]

I don't know if you ever actually went to alcohol imbibing social occurrences, or have been in court trying to explain them, or have faced charges or either been convicted of them or gotten off, but watching the video I still see a guy picking a fight with a girl, and watching the same video yet again, I can see a grim faced judge giving you a lecture before sending you off to county for 30 days where you can learn to appreciate women because you probably just became one of them.

If that girl was a guy, and anyone here, or anyone you know, who is going to say they'd take what he did, or allow it to happen to a friend, and hold their head up when they walk outside tomorrow ? Even extreme pacifists would remember being bullied and be upset about it.

No one. Hardly even matters it was a girl, except it was. Deal with it. Your hero picked a fight with a girl in a bar.
It's plain to see you have no idea what you were watching. She intentionally picked a fight with him by preventing him from getting to the open space at the bar. Then she further escalated it by pushing him with her left arm, raising her fist when he rightfully tried to gain access to the spot, pushed him away with her leg and ultimately hit him when he grabbed her fist. Again, he shouldn't have hit her, but she shouldn't have hit him and as such should have been charged as well.

[Mace]

It's plain to see you have no idea what you were watching. She intentionally picked a fight with him by preventing him from getting to the open space at the bar. Then she further escalated it by pushing him with her left arm, raising her fist when he rightfully tried to gain access to the spot, pushed him away with her leg and ultimately hit him when he grabbed her fist. Again, he shouldn't have hit her, but she shouldn't have hit him and as such should have been charged as well.

It's plain to see you have no clue. He had open space right next to her. He grabbed her and held on to her. Moved her around. You're backing off your argument because you realize it makes you look like a sissy who wants to pick fights and win them against girls in bars.

Judge : "So you felt threatened by a short chubby blonde girl in the video, and felt the need to muscle her"

Kiss your butt goodbye with your answer. You were either threatened by a short chubby blonde girl, or you weren't and punched her in the face.

"Well why didn't you move to the open space at the bar ?"

"Well because I needed to man up and pick a fight with a girl who was pretending to be tougher than me your honor, and she might have been."

You're done, call it a night.

[Goobylal]

It's plain to see you have no clue. He had open space right next to her. He grabbed her and held on to her. Moved her around. You're backing off your argument because you realize it makes you look like a sissy who wants to pick fights and win them against girls in bars.

Judge : "So you felt threatened by a short chubby blonde girl in the video, and felt the need to muscle her"

Kiss your butt goodbye with your answer. You were either threatened by a short chubby blonde girl, or you weren't and punched her in the face.

"Well why didn't you move to the open space at the bar ?"

"Well because I needed to man up and pick a fight with a girl who was pretending to be tougher than me your honor, and she might have been."

You're done, call it a night.
No, it's you who have no clue. It's obvious that he was trying to get to the open space in the bar (notice him saying something to the brunette who makes a little room for him so he can try and get to the bar) and she kept on trying to block him as if she owned the place. If you can't see that you're done, call it a night. And he only grabbed her wrist after she raised her fist (which is "assault" if you want to call grabbing someone's wrist "assault"), and she likely "moved" because she was trying to get out of it as well as drunk and wobbly.

The sad part is you're willing to absolve her of any guilt, whereas I am saying they both should be charged with assault. And just because she's a girl, it doesn't mean it gives her carte blanche to act like a fool.

[Mace]

No, it's you who have no clue. It's obvious that he was trying to get to the open space in the bar (notice him saying something to the brunette who makes a little room for him so he can try and get to the bar) and she kept on trying to block him as if she owned the place. If you can't see that you're done, call it a night. And he only grabbed her wrist after she raised her fist (which is "assault" if you want to call grabbing someone's wrist "assault"), and she likely "moved" because she was trying to get out of it as well as drunk and wobbly.

The sad part is you're willing to absolve her of any guilt, whereas I am saying they both should be charged with assault. And just because she's a girl, it doesn't mean it gives her carte blanche to act like a fool.

Oooh, so you'd let someone do that to you ? Makes you a sissy.

Stopping them from doing that makes you a crook ?

Your choice ? You a sissy or a crook at that bar ? If you're a sissy it doesn't matter, you roll over and accept the order. If you're a crook, well, you roll over and accept the order.

Like me, I wouldn't have thought to be challenged by a short blonde girl, I'd have moved over. Does that mean a short girl moved me over ? Absolutely...wouldn't have bothered me. Bothers you though huh ? You have to man up against a girl.

It's her fault too !

No it isn't, you watch the video you see a guy picking a fight with a girl. That's the manly thing to do in your world eh ?

[Goobylal]

Oooh, so you'd let someone do that to you ? Makes you a sissy.

Stopping them from doing that makes you a crook ?

Your choice ? You a sissy or a crook at that bar ? If you're a sissy it doesn't matter, you roll over and accept the order. If you're a crook, well, you roll over and accept the order.

Like me, I wouldn't have thought to be challenged by a short blonde girl, I'd have moved over. Does that mean a short girl moved me over ? Absolutely...wouldn't have bothered me. Bothers you though huh ? You have to man up against a girl.

It's her fault too !

No it isn't, you watch the video you see a guy picking a fight with a girl. That's the manly thing to do in your world eh ?
No, in the first place, I wouldn't be a jerk and prevent someone from getting to a space they have every right to be in. That means I wouldn't raise my fist at him/her, and I definitely wouldn't be stupid enough to throw a punch. If I were stupid enough to do those things, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone grab my wrist before I hit him/her, or hit me back if I hit him/her first.

And you'd have moved over...where? To the left of her, where he was trying to get to all along?

Are you watching the same video I am? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt because it's obvious you're not seeing what's on the video I saw.

[Mace]

No, in the first place, I wouldn't be a jerk and prevent someone from getting to a space they have every right to be in. That means I wouldn't raise my fist at him/her, and I definitely wouldn't be stupid enough to throw a punch. If I were stupid enough to do those things, I wouldn't be surprised to see someone grab my wrist before I hit him/her, or hit me back if I hit him/her first.

And you'd have moved over...where? To the left of her, where he was trying to get to all along?

Are you watching the same video I am? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt because it's obvious you're not seeing what's on the video I saw.

I'd have moved to the open space at the bar I cleared, very apparent in the video. The girl on his other side moves. I don't know you're watching the same video.

You don't have any need to give me the benefit of the doubt, I've already labeled you as a tough guy with girls who rolls over with guys, trying to blame a girl who a guy picked a fight with and socked.

You'd be a great person to run into a bar because you'd pay me to let you leave. So you never encountered any of those situations, and you're talking like that short chubby girl was Chuck Norris, because you're dreaming of not being disempowered by some girl who may have beaten you up and is clearly equal to a tall muscular athlete.

I just watched it again, same space is open at the bar. Same girl is being a girl. But you're a he-man and would sock her to gain some bar chops.

Man up already.

[coastal]

theres a type of black male thats just a flat out douche. theres a type of male thats a flat out douche, but bc we are in this place where we cant criticize blackness lest we be called racist theres no pushback on that type of black guy so they have proliferated like mice in a viagra factory. its the same male role model being portrayed in popular cultural black music for the last twenty plus years. no wonder they think the white man is the devil and they have to be hard as hell all the time. we need to collectively stand up against that pattern and make it clear that it is unacceptable - and not just when some guy socks a drunk chick at a bar

i was just having this conversation with one of my black male friends, again. hes very frustrated that douchebag black males are not being called out. he told me he saw one young punk actually shoulder check a white senior citizen! he said he bawled him out over it, and the guy looked at him like he was crazy, like why are you ripping on me for disrespecting a white man

standing in his front yard in the ghetto im always saying hello to passerbys. half of the black males dont even acknowledge me AT ALL, like im invisible. i keep doing it bc im trying to change minds but its like pissing in the wind. race issue ******s, who for the moment will remain nameless, only hurt that cause by providing cover. stop protecting bad blackness and start calling it out
Look sports fans... the rational racist has stopped by to share his special brand of stupid.

oh happy day.

[Jan Reimers]

I view this whole issue as a big, "So what?"

People were once entitled to their own opinions. Now, with political correctness run amok, if someone's views diverge even slightly from those of the progressive, political correctness police, that person will be hounded and vilified mercilessly.

[Goobylal]

I'd have moved to the open space at the bar I cleared, very apparent in the video. The girl on his other side moves. I don't know you're watching the same video.

You don't have any need to give me the benefit of the doubt, I've already labeled you as a tough guy with girls who rolls over with guys, trying to blame a girl who a guy picked a fight with and socked.

You'd be a great person to run into a bar because you'd pay me to let you leave. So you never encountered any of those situations, and you're talking like that short chubby girl was Chuck Norris, because you're dreaming of not being disempowered by some girl who may have beaten you up and is clearly equal to a tall muscular athlete.

I just watched it again, same space is open at the bar. Same girl is being a girl. But you're a he-man and would sock her to gain some bar chops.

Man up already.
He did try to get to the open space but she wouldn't let him get there. Maybe if you stop crushing on her, the blood will go to your brain and you'll actually be able to interpret what you see.

[JoeMama]

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I just re-watched the video and I gotta say:

That girl has a great chin!

She took his best shot and didn't drop.

I probably would've hit the canvas and struggled to make the standing 8 count.

[Lucidvizion]

Meh, that punch was all arm. Probably felt like a ***** slap.

I don't blame the girl for how she reacted. If some guy was pressing up on me like that I probably would have laid an elbow on his face. It's only unfortunate she didn't have the strength to knock his ass out with that punch.

[cookie G]

It's plain to see you have no clue. He had open space right next to her. He grabbed her and held on to her. Moved her around. You're backing off your argument because you realize it makes you look like a sissy who wants to pick fights and win them against girls in bars.

Judge : "So you felt threatened by a short chubby blonde girl in the video, and felt the need to muscle her"

Kiss your butt goodbye with your answer. You were either threatened by a short chubby blonde girl, or you weren't and punched her in the face.

"Well why didn't you move to the open space at the bar ?"

"Well because I needed to man up and pick a fight with a girl who was pretending to be tougher than me your honor, and she might have been."

You're done, call it a night.

That's probably the real reason Jimbo Fisher dumped him.

"Ok son, wanna tell me what happened?"

"Well, this woman was RUDE to me...then threatened me with her fist...and then actually punched me!!"

(After watching the tape)...

"um...THAT'S what got you so rattled? Some drunk girl in a bar who threw a punch so slow that the bartender served 3 rounds of shots before it made it to your chin?"

"Got news for you, kid, you're supposed to be a QB for a major college football team where 300 lb guys are going to be coming after you every Saturday, and they'll be talking **** about your sister while you do."

"If all it takes to rattle you is some drunk girl with a clenched fist....this job might not be for you."

[k-oneputt]

That kid was never going to start at FSU at qb or play in the NFL.

[chernobylwraiths]

I find it difficult to see what some people are looking at regarding this video. I would almost say that there might have been some type of issue or something prior to the punches. At the point his hat comes into the screen, the girl then makes a bee-line for the bar (almost to cut him off). No big deal, a little josteling seems to happen and the guy seems to speak to the woman standing in front of the bar ( a pet peeve of mine, either stand at the bar or get the hell away from it so others can get to it). As he tries to get closer to the bar and get to the open area, the woman leans her head back right in his way. She clearly did not want him to get to the bar IMO. Then, as he tries to get around her, she obviously moves to her left as if to stop him from getting to the bar. He then seems to get a little more physical (not hard with the size difference) and pushes towards the bar and she immediately turns to him with her right fist cocked. Oh, and I forgot, as he sidled toward the bar, he looked to intentionally keep his back to that girl. She was the total aggressor IMO all the way.

But, he should have taken the crappy punch and walked away, maybe gotten a bouncer to throw out the chick. He should never ever ever ever ever have hit her.

[Mr. Pink]

Both are at fault for the incident here. If it's two guys jostling at the bar like that no one would have said anything and it would have been a complete non-story. However, fact of the matter is the dude punched a chick in the face. There's almost never any justification for punching a woman in the face.

[JoeMama]

Both are at fault for the incident here. If it's two guys jostling at the bar like that no one would have said anything and it would have been a complete non-story. However, fact of the matter is the dude punched a chick in the face. There's almost never any justification for punching a woman in the face.

Just for fun, we should compile a list of scenarios where it's okay to punch girls in the face.

I'll start.

1. If a girl steals your Ecto-Cooler in 1st grade, it's okay to punch her in the face (Take that, Heidi from across the street, you stupid *****!)

[Goobylal]

Just for fun, we should compile a list of scenarios where it's okay to punch girls in the face.

I'll start.

1. If a girl steals your Ecto-Cooler in 1st grade, it's okay to punch her in the face (Take that, Heidi from across the street, you stupid *****!)
Why on earth would you want to do that?

[JoeMama]

Why on earth would you want to do that?

As a satirical counter-point to your fiercely pro-"punching women in the face" stance.

[Goobylal]

As a satirical counter-point to your fiercely pro-"punching women in the face" stance.
Looks like your ability to comprehend what you read also stopped in the 1st grade.

[JoeMama]

Looks like your ability to comprehend what you read also stopped in the 1st grade.

I read just fine.

You said his actions were justified because he was acting in "self-defense".

I say that's bull****.

Sorry but on the plane of reality I'm from, punching women in the face isn't okay.

She was a total drunk trainwreck (who may also get charged with assault or battery), but that doesn't mean decking her in the face is somehow okay.

But I'm from the old school.

I don't know how the kids today view punching women in the face.

[Mace]

He did try to get to the open space but she wouldn't let him get there. Maybe if you stop crushing on her, the blood will go to your brain and you'll actually be able to interpret what you see.

Heh. I'm not crushing on her. I spent about 24 years of my life going to bars 3 times a week and getting hammered with my cast of friends who were probably rowdier than I was. Cheap dives, trouble bars, packed places to see bands, popular places of the day (Continental, Old Pink, Mulligans Brick Bar, Clancy's, Locker Room, Coles, Goodbar, yada yada) many bar fights, arguments, occasionally being thrown out of some, chased out of others, and I never once remember feeling a need to punch a girl in the face, nor do I ever remember my male friends doing so. I really did know a few women who could fight a guy in bars if they had to and likely win, they'd not have tried to go mano a mano and punch you. That was obviously a panic move because he made her panic shoving her hand into her throat.

So you or your friends have been in a lot of fistfights with girls as adults ?

Whole thing is ridiculous. Same thing, if you embrace it, you have this vision of being a justified hero punching out a woman in a bar because you're escared of fighting a man.

If she was a man, a short chubby man acting as she did, you'd still be a loser bully acting like he did.

[JoeMama]

Heh. I'm not crushing on her. I spent about 24 years of my life going to bars 3 times a week and getting hammered with my cast of friends who were probably rowdier than I was. Cheap dives, trouble bars, packed places to see bands, popular places of the day (Continental, Old Pink, Mulligans Brick Bar, Clancy's, Locker Room, Coles, Goodbar, yada yada) many bar fights, arguments, occasionally being thrown out of some, chased out of others, and I never once remember feeling a need to punch a girl in the face, nor do I ever remember my male friends doing so. I really did know a few women who could fight a guy in bars if they had to and likely win, they'd not have tried to go mano a mano and punch you. That was obviously a panic move because he made her panic shoving her hand into her throat.

So you or your friends have been in a lot of fistfights with girls as adults ?

Whole thing is ridiculous. Same thing, if you embrace it, you have this vision of being a justified hero punching out a woman in a bar because you're escared of fighting a man.

If she was a man, a short chubby man acting as she did, you'd still be a loser bully acting like he did.

I've been slapped/punched by some crazy women, some drunk women, and some crazy drunk women... but I've never felt the need to deck them in the face over it.

And I'm not some hulking collegiate athlete that can actually do some damage.

I've always just pulled a Jay-Z. Put my arms up and walked away.

It's a rule that's served me well all of my adult life.

[Goobylal]

I read just fine.

You said his actions were justified because he was acting in "self-defense".

I say that's bull****.

Sorry but on the plane of reality I'm from, punching women in the face isn't okay.

She was a total drunk trainwreck (who may also get charged with assault or battery), but that doesn't mean decking her in the face is somehow okay.

But I'm from the old school.

I don't know how the kids today view punching women in the face.
Show me where I said it was okay for him to punch her. Or even that he shouldn't have been charged with assault. You can't. Just because you inferred it since I explained what happened, it doesn't mean I said what you claim I said.

[JoeMama]

Show me where I said it was okay for him to punch her. Or even that he shouldn't have been charged with assault. You can't. Just because you inferred it since I explained what happened, it doesn't mean I said what you claim I said.


Wrong. If anyone, she should be charged with assault for raising her fist to him, given the definition of assault is "The act of creating apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact with a person." Hence his action of grabbing her was self-defense.

Self-defense is an argument used solely for justification of force when one party feels threatened by another party.

It's not what you recite when you're in a drum circle your freshman year in college, singing about peaceful resolutions to all of the world's problems.

[Goobylal]

Heh. I'm not crushing on her. I spent about 24 years of my life going to bars 3 times a week and getting hammered with my cast of friends who were probably rowdier than I was. Cheap dives, trouble bars, packed places to see bands, popular places of the day (Continental, Old Pink, Mulligans Brick Bar, Clancy's, Locker Room, Coles, Goodbar, yada yada) many bar fights, arguments, occasionally being thrown out of some, chased out of others, and I never once remember feeling a need to punch a girl in the face, nor do I ever remember my male friends doing so. I really did know a few women who could fight a guy in bars if they had to and likely win, they'd not have tried to go mano a mano and punch you. That was obviously a panic move because he made her panic shoving her hand into her throat.

So you or your friends have been in a lot of fistfights with girls as adults ?

Whole thing is ridiculous. Same thing, if you embrace it, you have this vision of being a justified hero punching out a woman in a bar because you're escared of fighting a man.

If she was a man, a short chubby man acting as she did, you'd still be a loser bully acting like he did.
Oh, so now he shoved her hand into her throat and she panicked. Next you'll be telling me he broke her wrist. :rolleyes:

I mostly try to avoid bars. **** like what we're discussing is a major reason why.

[JoeMama]

So which would apply more to self-defense: hitting someone because he's holding your wrist or hitting someone who hit you first?

And where the hell did you go to college?

DECKING A GIRL IN THE FACE WILL NEVER HOLD UP IN COURT AS A REASONABLE REACTION TO WHAT HAPPENED.

I added the caps for effect, I'm not yelling.

[JoeMama]

And the fact you're trying to argue the nuances of this situation only proves my point.

You don't punch women in the face, you just don't!

[Goobylal]

Self-defense is an argument used solely for justification of force when one party feels threatened by another party.

It's not what you recite when you're in a drum circle your freshman year in college, singing about peaceful resolutions to all of the world's problems.
She prevented him from getting to the open spot and raised her fist at him without him threatening her once. Raising a fist is a threat. Or are you saying that no guy should fear a woman because they're all weaklings?

[Goobylal]

DECKING A GIRL IN THE FACE WILL NEVER HOLD UP IN COURT AS A REASONABLE REACTION TO WHAT HAPPENED.

I added the caps for effect, I'm not yelling.
I NEVER SAID IT WOULD. I SAID HE WAS RIGHTFULLY CHARGED BUT THAT SHE SHOULD ALSO BE CHARGED.

And the fact you're trying to argue the nuances of this situation only proves my point.

You don't punch women in the face, you just don't!
You shouldn't punch anyone in the face. Which is the point I've been trying to make.

[JoeMama]

That's not how it sounds when you evoke self-defense for this kid's behavior.

The girl's a stupid drunk *****, I won't chide you on that count.

[Goobylal]

That's not how it sounds when you evoke self-defense for this kid's behavior.

The girl's a stupid drunk *****, I won't chide you on that count.
My point was that if you're going to invoke self-defense to excuse her for hitting him over grabbing her wrist, like Mace was trying to do, you could say that he grabbed her wrist out of self-defense because she raised her fist to him and was belligerent inexplicably trying to prevent him from getting to the bar. But his reaction (initially) to a threat wasn't to punch her, it was to grab her wrist. Her reaction was to punch him. And grabbing someone's wrist isn't nearly as bad as hitting someone. I've never seen someone arrested over grabbing someone's wrist.

[JoeMama]

My point was that if you're going to invoke self-defense to excuse her for hitting him over grabbing her wrist, like Mace was trying to do, you could say that he grabbed her wrist out of self-defense because she raised her fist to him and was belligerent inexplicably trying to prevent him from getting to the bar. But his reaction (initially) to a threat wasn't to punch her, it was to grab her wrist. Her reaction was to punch him. And grabbing someone's wrist isn't nearly as bad as hitting someone. I've never seen someone arrested over grabbing someone's wrist.

OK fair enough.

So long as you're not saying it's okay to hit girls if they hit you first, then I have nothing else to argue.

[jimmifli]

Just for fun, we should compile a list of scenarios where it's okay to punch girls in the face.

I'll start.

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[Mace]

Oh, so now he shoved her hand into her throat and she panicked. Next you'll be telling me he broke her wrist. :rolleyes:

I mostly try to avoid bars. **** like what we're discussing is a major reason why.

Heh, you either watched the video or you didn't.

That you avoid bars sort of spells out your experience, and you're scared of getting in fights with girls because you think you have to in bars. So you have no experience in what you're talking about because you're scared of it but feel a need to be a qualified voice on what you have no clue about. Enough said.

[Mace]

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Girls are wicked tough before you are 10.

[SpikedLemonade]

Heh. I'm not crushing on her. I spent about 24 years of my life going to bars 3 times a week and getting hammered with my cast of friends who were probably rowdier than I was. Cheap dives, trouble bars, packed places to see bands, popular places of the day (Continental, Old Pink, Mulligans Brick Bar, Clancy's, Locker Room, Coles, Goodbar, yada yada) many bar fights, arguments, occasionally being thrown out of some, chased out of others, and I never once remember feeling a need to punch a girl in the face, nor do I ever remember my male friends doing so.

I think I could qualify you as an expert in a court of law.

[Goobylal]

Heh, you either watched the video or you didn't.

That you avoid bars sort of spells out your experience, and you're scared of getting in fights with girls because you think you have to in bars. So you have no experience in what you're talking about because you're scared of it but feel a need to be a qualified voice on what you have no clue about. Enough said.
I watched the video. You're making stuff up now to justify her unjustifiable actions.

As for your second paragraph, LOL! No, I had enough of the dive bar scene in college, again witnessing too many instances of the topic we're discussing, but I grew up. Try it sometime.

[JoeMama]

I grew up after a decade or so in the dive bar scene.

It's not very fun.

Crunching numbers and making money is nice and all, but where's the flare?

Where are all the seamy one-night stands?

I still haven't fully adapted to life in my 30's yet. I'm doing all the things adults are supposed to do. But it's so unrewarding.

[Mace]

I watched the video. You're making stuff up now to justify her unjustifiable actions.

As for your second paragraph, LOL! No, I had enough of the dive bar scene in college, again witnessing too many instances of the topic we're discussing, but I grew up. Try it sometime.

Yeahsureright. Man up. You didn't witness anything you're scared of bars and dream of fighting ninja girls for glory. You didn't watch the video, don't have a clue what's in it, don't have more than make pretend experience interpreting what you never saw or experienced, and witnessed so much stuff you already claimed you avoid and never experienced, um, while you were a college kid, which you probably weren't or you'd realize the topic has gotten way past you already.

But ok, assume I haven't grown up and never did get into a fistfight with a girl, and your mature outlook has resulted in how many fistfights with girls as an adult after you grew up ?

Oh a manly number of girls vanquished in fistfights no doubt. I said it before, you didn't even react to it, I'll say it again, the word is "sissy". It's that much easier to fight girls and proclaim your heroism for standing up to the small girl who defied you.

Tell me how many women you've manly overcome in bar fistfights ?

Bet there's not a one. You're scared to fight girls even and it was good to see someone else stood up for you and put them in their place.

[Famous Amos]

oh geez

yeah hes at fault all the way. shes at fault too, but its like 2 to his 10. i was expecting something way more violent on her part. she did raise her fist but its hardly cocked, and its more a playful threat than a real one. from that angle she could do no harm at all. she does try to knee him and gets a lame left swat in, and he whallops her. shes not really a threat, and he turns a benign interaction into real violence. id suspend him now and never look back. he could have easily avoided the whole thing but he escalated.

classic over entitled hyper macho tendency to violence black male. you could just say male but that particular kind of black males have an especially pronounced machismo on stuff like this. exactly the kind of black male i do not like and that i socially fight against all the time. those guys have to be called out and socially rejected, but thats not the place we are at in this cycle. instead we protect them and find reasons to let them off the hook. the diseased minds among us will see racism, which is absurd. i love black folks, but i definitely hate that kind of male

When she raised her first, I thought it looked playful as well, she even had a half smile on her drunken mug. And honestly, her punch was ****ing weak and any man should be embarrassed if he reacted like the guy in the video did. No man should feel empowered to swing at a woman under any circumstance in which no physical harm is threatened. They are in tight quarters, her back is up against the bar, with a scrawny dude behind her as well. She has no where to go. He does. The guy can back away, get some space, let her cool down. If she continues to come after him, well, thats a different story.

I'm not a fan of men belittling women because theyre on a message board and can run their mouths, waving their ducks around. She could be the biggest ho on the face of the earth, talking **** about her isnt any different than the ****ing women who spread rumors and gossip at work.

[Famous Amos]

I honestly don't see the elbow in the back, Mace. If he actually did that, I don't blame her for getting pissed off but I didn't see s jab in the back.

Why didn't he just pinch her ass and greet her with a nice smile instead?

Too old school?

Would anyone be surprised if these two wound up getting married?

I didn't see it either.

[Famous Amos]

I find it difficult to see what some people are looking at regarding this video. I would almost say that there might have been some type of issue or something prior to the punches. At the point his hat comes into the screen, the girl then makes a bee-line for the bar (almost to cut him off). No big deal, a little josteling seems to happen and the guy seems to speak to the woman standing in front of the bar ( a pet peeve of mine, either stand at the bar or get the hell away from it so others can get to it). As he tries to get closer to the bar and get to the open area, the woman leans her head back right in his way. She clearly did not want him to get to the bar IMO. Then, as he tries to get around her, she obviously moves to her left as if to stop him from getting to the bar. He then seems to get a little more physical (not hard with the size difference) and pushes towards the bar and she immediately turns to him with her right fist cocked. Oh, and I forgot, as he sidled toward the bar, he looked to intentionally keep his back to that girl. She was the total aggressor IMO all the way.

But, he should have taken the crappy punch and walked away, maybe gotten a bouncer to throw out the chick. He should never ever ever ever ever have hit her.

Hind sight is 20/20. I'm wondering what would happen if he took the punch, walked away and laughed it off? Would his bros give him **** to no end? Would he be labeled a pussy for not fighting back? I have no idea myself. if I were him, and my friends found out I got tagged by a girl, theyd give me some ****, but it would be good natured and wouldnt affect my rep or whatever. What about this guy? he's in a a different situation where he's around other alpha males who have different values than the average guy. It's hard to understand that in the fraction of a second from when he got punched, that he would have enough time to think about the consequences of his actions and what would happen if he reciprocated. Chances are is that he reacted naturally which should be the most concerning. Dude didnt even think twice about hitting a girl. Didnt matter what his friends thought, or what trouble he'd get in, he was all in in the moment, and you saw his true nature. Dude is a sissy.

[Famous Amos]

She prevented him from getting to the open spot and raised her fist at him without him threatening her once. Raising a fist is a threat. Or are you saying that no guy should fear a woman because they're all weaklings?

then find a different ****ing entry point to the bar. Why is that so hard to understand? A bigger man would have walked away. he felt the need to assert himself to a drunken woman.

[Dr. Lecter]

There is some mega levals of stupid and knuckle-dragging in this thread.

It's a pretty simple scenario

She hit him. Was she wrong to do that? Yep. Nobody with a brain should question that.

A college athlete, who is undoubtably much stronger and larger than her slugged her. He didn't restrain her. He didn't even push her out of the way. He clobbered her. There is no excuse for that.

Both parties are wrong, but one is much more wrong the other. By a lot.

BTW, one night after a Sabres game, I was at a bar with Meathead. A drunk, hot chick decided she didn't like me and started to punch me and hit me in the face. I had no urge or desire or thought of hitting her. I simply walked away while she told people she didn't like me (I knew most of the people there). The next day the bartender was impressed with my ability to be restrained.

Of course, I am white. If I was black, I woulda slapped that ***** into tomorrow.

Amirite?

[Goobylal]

I think I could qualify you as an expert in a court of law.
Maybe on "The People's Court."

I grew up after a decade or so in the dive bar scene.

It's not very fun.

Crunching numbers and making money is nice and all, but where's the flare?

Where are all the seamy one-night stands?

I still haven't fully adapted to life in my 30's yet. I'm doing all the things adults are supposed to do. But it's so unrewarding.
Welcome to adulthood!

Yeahsureright. Man up. You didn't witness anything you're scared of bars and dream of fighting ninja girls for glory. You didn't watch the video, don't have a clue what's in it, don't have more than make pretend experience interpreting what you never saw or experienced, and witnessed so much stuff you already claimed you avoid and never experienced, um, while you were a college kid, which you probably weren't or you'd realize the topic has gotten way past you already.

But ok, assume I haven't grown up and never did get into a fistfight with a girl, and your mature outlook has resulted in how many fistfights with girls as an adult after you grew up ?

Oh a manly number of girls vanquished in fistfights no doubt. I said it before, you didn't even react to it, I'll say it again, the word is "sissy". It's that much easier to fight girls and proclaim your heroism for standing up to the small girl who defied you.

Tell me how many women you've manly overcome in bar fistfights ?

Bet there's not a one. You're scared to fight girls even and it was good to see someone else stood up for you and put them in their place.
I'm a lover, not a fighter. So I don't have that problem with people, especially women.

then find a different ****ing entry point to the bar. Why is that so hard to understand? A bigger man would have walked away. he felt the need to assert himself to a drunken woman.
How hard is to understand that she had no right to block him from getting to the bar, much less raise her fist to him, much much less strike him?

[Dr. Lecter]

How hard is to understand that she had no right to block him from getting to the bar, much less raise her fist to him, much much less strike him?

Of course she didn't. I don't think many are saying that.

It's the gross over reaction we have a problem with.

[Goobylal]

Of course she didn't. I don't think many are saying that.

It's the gross over reaction we have a problem with.
I don't see Mace and others of his ilk not saying that. Because if you agree she had no right to block him, then you'll also have no choice but to agree she created the problem in the first place without any justification, not to mention escalated it.

And I'm not sure why she gets a pass. Is it because she was drunk? Because she was a girl? Because he's a star athlete (of sorts) and she's a nobody? Hell, I'm surprised Al Sharpton isn't down there calling it a "hate crime" since she struck him first and allegedly called him the N word. I'm also surprised (I'm really not) that the "equal rights for women because we're the same as men" aren't calling for her to be charged as well.

As for "gross over reaction," if Johnson had hit her after she first blocked him, or even after she raised her fist, I'd call that a "gross over reaction." What he did was a reaction to her hitting him, albeit a wrong one. If anything, she grossly over reacted to him trying to get to the bar.

[Dr. Lecter]

Ye Gods.

[Goobylal]

Ye Gods.
I'll have to borrow that one the next time I've got nothing to refute.

[Dr. Lecter]

I'll have to borrow that one the next time I've got nothing to refute.

based on your posting history that's quite often.

Look, for some reason you just don't get it.

A man, especially a powerfully strong man, can't haul off and hit a woman like that. He just can't. The amount of damage he can cause is much greater than anything she can cause. Now, I suppose, if she had pulled a weapon on him or somebody else it would be OK.

But she didn't. She hit him. With relatively weak and harmless shots. She was not going to cause him harm. This wasn't a case of self defense because there was nothing to defend. There are times to avoind a situation. The best response is not to haul off and hit her because he wasn't happy. His reaction to what she did is much greater than what she was doing and was not necessary whatsoever. He could've avoided the situation quite easily. Walk away and report her. Let the bar deal with it.

I know you've got a knee jerk reaction that violence is always the best solution. But it's not. It really isn't. Nor is it needed all the time.

[coastal]

Just for fun, we should compile a list of scenarios where it's okay to punch girls in the face.

I'll start.

1. If a girl steals your Ecto-Cooler in 1st grade, it's okay to punch her in the face (Take that, Heidi from across the street, you stupid *****!)when I was in first grade the fat girl from down the street was picking on my older sister on the bus.

I walked right up to her... didn't say a worried, delivered one punch and gave that fat skank a bloody lip.

she didn't bother my sister again.

thug life.

[cookie G]

How hard is to understand that she had no right to block him from getting to the bar, much less raise her fist to him, much much less strike him?

She blocked him!! She blocked him!! Why don't you undestand that she blocked him!!!

Like you haven't said that enough.

Drunken girl moved, at most, 4 inches to her left. Somehow, major college QB couldnt' get around her.

Maybe you'll understand what Lecter means about overreacting to something.

But, I doubt it.

[feldspar]

I think Darby makes a perfectly valid point.

Nobody is excusing what he did, but nobody should be excusing what SHE did, either.

[cookie G]

when I was in first grade the fat girl from down the street was picking on my older sister on the bus.

I walked right up to her... didn't say a worried, delivered one punch and gave that fat skank a bloody lip.

she didn't bother my sister again.

thug life.

God: Coastal, you haven't won a fight since the 1st grade, and that was against a girl.

Coastal: Yeah, but she was huge!!

[cookie G]

FSU has a hell of a game of knockout going on...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13234576/dalvin-cook-florida-state-seminoles

Florida State running back Dalvin Cook has been charged with misdemeanor battery after allegedly punching a 21-year-old woman in the face several times during an argument outside a bar last month.

Florida State issued a statement Friday afternoon saying Cook, a 19-year-old sophomore from Miami, has been suspended from the program indefinitely.

State attorney Willie Meggs signed the probable cause warrant Friday. Cook turned himself in at 8:37 p.m. ET on Friday, Leon County Jail records show.

Meggs told ESPN.com that he had met with the woman, who is not a Florida State student, and a female witness earlier Friday. Cook's accuser presented Meggs photos of her injuries.

[coastal]

God: Coastal, you haven't won a fight since the 1st grade, and that was against a girl.

Coastal: Yeah, but she was huge!!
I've spared hundreds.

[Goobylal]

based on your posting history that's quite often.

Look, for some reason you just don't get it.

A man, especially a powerfully strong man, can't haul off and hit a woman like that. He just can't. The amount of damage he can cause is much greater than anything she can cause. Now, I suppose, if she had pulled a weapon on him or somebody else it would be OK.

But she didn't. She hit him. With relatively weak and harmless shots. She was not going to cause him harm. This wasn't a case of self defense because there was nothing to defend. There are times to avoind a situation. The best response is not to haul off and hit her because he wasn't happy. His reaction to what she did is much greater than what she was doing and was not necessary whatsoever. He could've avoided the situation quite easily. Walk away and report her. Let the bar deal with it.

I know you've got a knee jerk reaction that violence is always the best solution. But it's not. It really isn't. Nor is it needed all the time.
And yet I haven't had to use it once.

No, it's you who doesn't get it, and based on your posting history, I shouldn't be surprised. JoeMama already tried to accuse me of condoning him retaliating and realized I didn't, so save me the "I know you've got a knee jerk reaction that violence is always the best solution" stupidity.

By the same token, she should never have hit him. Do you agree with that or are you going against your "violence isn't always the best solution" policy and/or think it doesn't apply to women?

I mean, you've already admitted she was wrong for preventing him from getting to the spot, and that's the root cause of what transpired. If she doesn't act like a *****, this whole thing never happens. Do we also agree on that point?

Do you think that if she hadn't hit him, he wouldn't have hit her?

So she could have avoided the situation by a) not preventing him from getting to the spot, b) not raising her fist, and c) not hitting him. Again, why does she get a free pass?

And as for "she couldn't do him harm," BS. Just because she didn't doesn't mean she couldn't. And she seemed to take his punch just fine. Doesn't excuse either of them.

[Goobylal]

She blocked him!! She blocked him!! Why don't you undestand that she blocked him!!!

Like you haven't said that enough.

Drunken girl moved, at most, 4 inches to her left. Somehow, major college QB couldnt' get around her.

Maybe you'll understand what Lecter means about overreacting to something.

But, I doubt it.
Looks like I need to say it again. Will you get it then? I doubt it.


I think Darby makes a perfectly valid point.

Nobody is excusing what he did, but nobody should be excusing what SHE did, either.
Hallelujah! At least someone else gets it!

FSU has a hell of a game of knockout going on...

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/13234576/dalvin-cook-florida-state-seminoles

Florida State running back Dalvin Cook has been charged with misdemeanor battery after allegedly punching a 21-year-old woman in the face several times during an argument outside a bar last month.

Florida State issued a statement Friday afternoon saying Cook, a 19-year-old sophomore from Miami, has been suspended from the program indefinitely.

State attorney Willie Meggs signed the probable cause warrant Friday. Cook turned himself in at 8:37 p.m. ET on Friday, Leon County Jail records show.

Meggs told ESPN.com that he had met with the woman, who is not a Florida State student, and a female witness earlier Friday. Cook's accuser presented Meggs photos of her injuries.
If the charges hold water, Dumbo has no choice but to kick Cook off the team. He made his bed with the Johnson decision. The difference is, this one will hurt the team.

[Dr. Lecter]

And yet I haven't had to use it once.

No, it's you who doesn't get it, and based on your posting history, I shouldn't be surprised. JoeMama already tried to accuse me of condoning him retaliating and realized I didn't, so save me the "I know you've got a knee jerk reaction that violence is always the best solution" stupidity.

By the same token, she should never have hit him. Do you agree with that or are you going against your "violence isn't always the best solution" policy and/or think it doesn't apply to women?

I mean, you've already admitted she was wrong for preventing him from getting to the spot, and that's the root cause of what transpired. If she doesn't act like a *****, this whole thing never happens. Do we also agree on that point?

Do you think that if she hadn't hit him, he wouldn't have hit her?

So she could have avoided the situation by a) not preventing him from getting to the spot, b) not raising her fist, and c) not hitting him. Again, why does she get a free pass?

And as for "she couldn't do him harm," BS. Just because she didn't doesn't mean she couldn't. And she seemed to take his punch just fine. Doesn't excuse either of them.

My God.

You are unable to read or comprehend anything. You really are.

I've said, more than once, that she should've never hit him. There was no excuse for it.

She does NOT get a free pass. But she also does not to be clobbered like that by a larger, stronger person.

He had no reason to respond like that.

None.

She should not have hit him.

He had no reason to hit her back like that.

I don't know how to make it any more simple, unless I find more one syllable words to use

[Goobylal]

My God.

You are unable to read or comprehend anything. You really are.

I've said, more than once, that she should've never hit him. There was no excuse for it.

She does NOT get a free pass. But she also does not to be clobbered like that by a larger, stronger person.

He had no reason to respond like that.

None.

She should not have hit him.

He had no reason to hit her back like that.

I don't know how to make it any more simple, unless I find more one syllable words to use
No, I understood very well. why not just say "they both had no excuse to hit each other" instead of going into some diatribe?

But thanks for finally admitting what I've been saying all along. And what Darby was saying.

[feldspar]

She does NOT get a free pass.



Apparently, she does.

Yes, she does get a free pass, doesn't she?

And that's basically the whole point here.

Does she have ANY repercussions? Answer. Meanwhile, he's slapped with battery charges and kicked off the team, jeopardizing his entire future. A 19-year-old kid. Do you think that's fair to both parties?

Keep your eye on the point...

[Dr. Lecter]

No, I understood very well. why not just say "they both had no excuse to hit each other" instead of going into some diatribe?

But thanks for finally admitting what I've been saying all along. And what Darby was saying.

I had said that already. More than once.

And no - it's not what you are saying.

Not even close

[feldspar]

I had said that already. More than once.

And no - it's not what you are saying.

Not even close

Tell us how she does NOT get a free pass now.

Is she being punished?

[Dr. Lecter]

She shouldn't get one. She could be charged as well.

[Goobylal]

I had said that already. More than once.

And no - it's not what you are saying.

Not even close
That's because you don't know how to read.

[feldspar]

She shouldn't get one. She could be charged as well.

She IS getting a free pass.

She will not be charged.

Fair?

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/07/woman_in_deandre_johnson_incid.html

[Dr. Lecter]

The problem still boils down to the gigantic over reaction that he had and punching her like she was some kind of dude of equal size.

And no - it's probably not right that she isn't being charged.

But her punch wasn't equal to his. No matter how badly you two want it to be

[Meathead]

Of course, I am white. If I was black, I woulda slapped that ***** into tomorrow.

Amirite?

this is not hard and ive told you a million times

its not being black dingleberry, its being gangsta

gangsta poisoning is what i call it

to the majority of black folks, hes a punk. to his mind poisoned buddies hes a hero

go find some black ppl and ask them

[coastal]

Why is this even a debate?

[Meathead]

seriously, i dont say this to be mean or to be a dick, but there is something broken in your mind when it comes to this topic

i dont know why exactly but you simply cannot grasp that its possible to be critical of a specific negative element of a culture without condemning the culture as a whole. ive been crystal clear on that, and yet after all these years you come back to the same tired and completely discredited horseѕhit

its a maddening pattern we see repeatedly demonstrated in popular liberal dialog and heavily promoted in the dysfunctional media. its got to stop

[coastal]

this is not hard and ive told you a million times

its not being black dingleberry, its being gangsta

gangsta poisoning is what i call it

to the majority of black folks, hes a punk. to his mind poisoned buddies hes a hero

go find some black ppl and ask them

17445

[Goobylal]

The problem still boils down to the gigantic over reaction that he had and punching her like she was some kind of dude of equal size.

And no - it's probably not right that she isn't being charged.

But her punch wasn't equal to his. No matter how badly you two want it to be
No, the problem is that she was at fault for the incident. And at least should be charged with assault, regardless of whether he punch was equivalent, which isn't in the law.

[coastal]

seriously, i dont say this to be mean or to be a dick, but there is something broken in your mind when it comes to this topic

i dont know why exactly but you simply cannot grasp that its possible to be critical of a specific negative element of a culture without condemning the culture as a whole. ive been crystal clear on that, and yet after all these years you come back to the same tired and completely discredited horseѕhit

its a maddening pattern we see repeatedly demonstrated in popular liberal dialog and heavily promoted in the dysfunctional media. its got to stop
Do u really believe you've invented some enlightened way of discussing race?

just because you think a lot doesn't mean you're thinking at all.

[Dr. Lecter]

No, the problem is that she was at fault for the incident. And at least should be charged with assault, regardless of whether he punch was equivalent, which isn't in the law.

And that's where you're wrong.

She wasn't at fault for the incident. She was at fault for thinking it was OK to hit him

But it's really not that hard to walk away.

[feldspar]

The problem still boils down to the gigantic over reaction that he had and punching her like she was some kind of dude of equal size.

And no - it's probably not right that she isn't being charged.

But her punch wasn't equal to his. No matter how badly you two want it to be

LOL, why in the world would I WANT her punch to be equal to his, as you put it?

What it really boils down to is who threw the first punch. Who threatened who? I don't care who was bigger.

Going by your logic, a five-foot-tall male weakling should be able to punch a six-five hulk and not expect to be hit back. Is that also the case? Why not? Should they all be "fair fights," otherwise the bigger person is automatically in the wrong?

If sex matters, then there is a double standard...and there is, especially when there is supposed to be equal rights. This is the only point.

[Goobylal]

And that's where you're wrong.

She wasn't at fault for the incident. She was at fault for thinking it was OK to hit him

But it's really not that hard to walk away.
No, you are wrong. She started the incident by stupidly and inexplicably refusing to let him get to the bar. Had she minded her own business, nothing would have happened. Why you cannot see that fact is anyone's guess.

And she could have walked away at any point before hitting him. Why you pin it all on him is anyone's guess. Maybe it's because you think women are feeble and shouldn't have to take responsibility for their actions.

[Meathead]

Do u really believe you've invented some enlightened way of discussing race?

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again, i dont mean this like a dick, but please for the love of god educate yourself

and before you say something profoundly stupid like icr about how i take all my ideas from some books i like, no thats wrong. i have lived it, for a VERY LONG time, i still live it, and i know what im talking about through experience AND research

you are in the wrong on this topic. ppl like you desperately need to educate yourself. idk why you resist this reality but at some point it will hit you and you will feel like a dick for being so ****ing clueless this whole time when you didnt have to be

those are all live links, you can click on them anytime and download them to your kindle device. i have many more i can recommend. please im begging you, for your own sake, please do so

[Mace]

Sort of comes back to the same simple stuff over and over.

As an adult, how many fistfights have you had with girls, and are they something you'd be proud of ?

So I'm seeing a lot of theoretical, which manly man here is going to stand up and say he punched out a girl who had it coming ?

The guy still picked a fight with a girl in a bar, and who, heh, here, punched out a girl in a bar fight ? Anyone ?

I don't think so, you'd be humiliated winning a bar fight by punching out a girl. Subtracts from your manly eh ?

[cookie G]

Looks like I need to say it again. Will you get it then? I doubt it.

Sure, and when you're explaining it, substitute "She blocked him!" with "She moved 4 inches to her left".


Mace is right...try that in front of a judge.

How did she "start" this?

She blocked me!!!

How did she "block you"?

She ..um...moved 4 inches to her left..


When the judge is done laughing, you might get an enhanced sentence for such a lame ass excuse.

[Dr. Lecter]

No, you are wrong. She started the incident by stupidly and inexplicably refusing to let him get to the bar. Had she minded her own business, nothing would have happened. Why you cannot see that fact is anyone's guess.

And she could have walked away at any point before hitting him. Why you pin it all on him is anyone's guess. Maybe it's because you think women are feeble and shouldn't have to take responsibility for their actions.
So you deny that a college athlete is much more physically dominant than what appears to be a women of average physical statue?

Is that really what you want to be your big point?

And sure - she could've avoided it too.

But that's not what's important here.

To you, the dumbass ***** got what she deserved

[feldspar]

Sure, and when you're explaining it, substitute "She blocked him!" with "She moved 4 inches to her left".


Mace is right...try that in front of a judge.

How did she "start" this?

She blocked me!!!

How did she "block you"?

She ..um...moved 4 inches to her left..


When the judge is done laughing, you might get an enhanced sentence for such a lame ass excuse.

If what he did before she raised her fist threateningly towards him makes him the aggressor and constitutes battery, then I was battered at least 50 times in the crowds at Darien Lake as a child. Maybe I should have thrown-down every time then or yelled out for security

wasn't that much.

It was just one of those things like he was trying to make his way to the bar...a simple thing that she was aware of. Maybe a tad too rough, but not much to get riled up over. That's the way it looked. But it looked like she IMMEDIATELY threatened to hit him, which is why he grabbed her wrist. Then she DID hit him, and they are calling all of THAT self-defense, which seems ridiculous to me. I guess jostling in a crowd called for all that? No way.

And if she called him a n166er right away, would that make you look at this situation differently? Could be she did that.

Look, if I was there and this was happening in front of me, I would have defended her physically if I had the chance...even if she was 1000% in the wrong. That's not even the topic here. Are women like children and not to be held fully accountable in real situations? That's the question.

"Never hit a woman under any circumstances," right? Well, I can think of a few. Like if I wake up with my balls in a vice and there she stands with a knife ready to chop them off. I gotta tell you that I'd hit her then, And I'd hit her as hard as a ****ing can. Probably repeatedly.

They aren't all a bunch of angels, you know. And you know there are those females that play up to this gentlemanly cowboy **** a lot of guys totally buy into like it is gospel. Let's some women get away with murder. Tell me I'm wrong.

[Mace]

They aren't all a bunch of angels, you know. And you know there are those that play up to this gentlemanly cowboy **** a lot of guys totally buy into. Let's some women get away with murder.

That's the fantasy, never seen it happen in a bar. Video still speaks for itself. You wouldn't have punched her in the face or even grabbed her. You don't grab someone and hang on to them, that gives them right of self defense.

Vid is cruelly obvious, he picked a fight with a girl. A short chubby girl, not some kickass ninja evil medusa who proves your cojones.

Cut to the chase. He initiated contact, maintained it, and punched a girl in the face because she had the audacity to take a feeble left handed swing at him because he wouldn't let go of her. He sure showed her and stood up for men everywhere.

He picked a fight with a girl.

[Goobylal]

Sort of comes back to the same simple stuff over and over.

As an adult, how many fistfights have you had with girls, and are they something you'd be proud of ?

So I'm seeing a lot of theoretical, which manly man here is going to stand up and say he punched out a girl who had it coming ?

The guy still picked a fight with a girl in a bar, and who, heh, here, punched out a girl in a bar fight ? Anyone ?

I don't think so, you'd be humiliated winning a bar fight by punching out a girl. Subtracts from your manly eh ?
No, she picked a fight with him. She initiated the whole thing by refusing to let him get to the bar and could have walked away at any time up until she escalated it into assault. Fat, drunk, stupid and being female is no excuse for her behavior.

Sure, and when you're explaining it, substitute "She blocked him!" with "She moved 4 inches to her left".


Mace is right...try that in front of a judge.

How did she "start" this?

She blocked me!!!

How did she "block you"?

She ..um...moved 4 inches to her left..

When the judge is done laughing, you might get an enhanced sentence for such a lame ass excuse.
I assume that would be your defense. Mine would go like this: "I tried to get to the bar your honor but for some unknown reason, she felt like she owned the place and wouldn't let me get there. When I continued to try, because I have every right to go there and had been waiting awhile, she raised her fist and called me a "f***ing n*****. So I grabbed her wrist to prevent her from hitting me. Now she's not small, as you can see your honor, and she is a girl, but I didn't need her to connect and give me a broken nose which would force me to miss football practice. And then wouldn't you know it, she punched me! That's assault your honor. Sure I retaliated and deserve to be charged with assault as well, but that doesn't excuse her behavior."

So you deny that a college athlete is much more physically dominant than what appears to be a women of average physical statue?

Is that really what you want to be your big point?

And sure - she could've avoided it too.

But that's not what's important here.

To you, the dumbass ***** got what she deserved
Doesn't matter who was physically dominant. Punching someone is assault, period, and there's nowhere in the law that it takes into account the people involved or the force of the punch.

[Mace]

No, she picked a fight with him. She initiated the whole thing and could have walked away at any time, up until she escalated it into assault. Fat, drunk, stupid,and being a female is no excuse for her behavior.

I assume that would be your defense. Mine would go like this: "I tried to get to the bar your honor but for some unknown reason, she felt like she owned the place and wouldn't let me get there. When I continued to try, because I have very right to go there and had been waiting awhile, she raised her fist and called me a "f***ing n*****" so I grabbed her wrist to prevent her from hitting me. She's not small, as you can see your honor and I didn't need her to connect and give me a bloody nose which would force me to miss football practice. And then wouldn't you know it, she punched me! That's assault your honor. Sure I retaliated and deserve to be charged with assault as well, but that doesn't excuse her behavior."

Doesn't matter who was physically dominant. Punching someone is assault, period, and there's nowhere in the law that it takes into account the people involved or the force of the punch.

Um no, he grabbed her and didn't let go. That's the invasive assault. Starts there. Someone grabs you and won't let go, you have a right to defend yourself. She tried, he socked her because she had the audacity to try and make him let go of her. You sort of keep missing that. Why ? Because you want to.

Same thing, you done that ? Anyone done it to you ? Man up. How many fistfights with girls as an adult ?

You dream of proving how tough you are with them though. They're so mean to you. You should grab them and punch them out, they have it coming.

Watch the vid again tough guy. Ooh, you want to be him, standing up for men everywhere. Except men don't act like that. Grow a pair.

[feldspar]

That's the fantasy, never seen it happen in a bar. Video still speaks for itself. You wouldn't have punched her in the face or even grabbed her. You don't grab someone and hang on to them, that gives them right of self defense.

Vid is cruelly obvious, he picked a fight with a girl. A short chubby girl, not some kickass ninja evil medusa who proves your cojones.

Cut to the chase. He initiated contact, maintained it, and punched a girl in the face because she had the audacity to take a feeble left handed swing at him because he wouldn't let go of her. He sure showed her and stood up for men everywhere.

He picked a fight with a girl.

Apparently, the vid is NOT cruelly obvious.

The reason why he grabbed her and held onto her was because she cocked her fist as though getting ready to hit him. Mean look. He grabbed that threatening hand, and she swung with the other. That's what I see as obvious, cruelly or not. All this over a jostle in a crowd. Doesn't look like any realm of self-defense to me.

I see HER as picking the fight, just from the video. The audio would reveal more.

You ever try to tell a woman she should calm down? What invariably happens?

That's not to say that I don't think he's a complete douchebag for clocking her...I do. That ain't the question, as you recognize.

Sometimes you make no sense, Mace. What fantasy?

Also, what was he doing at the bar at age 19 anyway. What kind of place is this?

[swiper]

The fall out....


After last month’s incident involving former Florida State quarterback De’Andre Johnson (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1575/andre-johnson) in a Tallahasse bar and more recent news that Florida State running back Dalvin Cook allegedly punched a woman several times outside a Tallahassee bar, coach Jimbo Fisher has banned all players from bars, in Tallahassee or elsewhere.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/11/no-more-bars-for-florida-state-players/


BTW... This thread is another showing the children from the grown ups. Children: Gloobyal, Feldspar.

[Famous Amos]

And yet I haven't had to use it once.

No, it's you who doesn't get it, and based on your posting history, I shouldn't be surprised. JoeMama already tried to accuse me of condoning him retaliating and realized I didn't, so save me the "I know you've got a knee jerk reaction that violence is always the best solution" stupidity.

By the same token, she should never have hit him. Do you agree with that or are you going against your "violence isn't always the best solution" policy and/or think it doesn't apply to women?

I mean, you've already admitted she was wrong for preventing him from getting to the spot, and that's the root cause of what transpired. If she doesn't act like a *****, this whole thing never happens. Do we also agree on that point?

Do you think that if she hadn't hit him, he wouldn't have hit her?

So she could have avoided the situation by a) not preventing him from getting to the spot, b) not raising her fist, and c) not hitting him. Again, why does she get a free pass?

And as for "she couldn't do him harm," BS. Just because she didn't doesn't mean she couldn't. And she seemed to take his punch just fine. Doesn't excuse either of them.

I'm not of the "woman are equal in every situation" or whatever crowd. I hold doors for women, I go easy on them in sports. I am not a huge, hulking dude, but I can reasonably say I am stronger than most women. If I were in the same situation as the football player, I would have laughed it off and walked away. It would have never occured to me to hit her because she is a girl. She gets pass. She's a ***** and a hoe. I would have like 60 pounds on her and a foot in height. Nothing equal about that.

The whole situation is absurd. I agree with those who are saying she was wrong her blocking him and hitting him. My position is the football player, whom I assume (maybe wrongfully) wasn't drunk?, probably should have been the reasonable person and just gone somewhere else. It's a bar, you don't have the right to a certain spot. You go where you can get in.

[Famous Amos]

The problem still boils down to the gigantic over reaction that he had and punching her like she was some kind of dude of equal size.

And no - it's probably not right that she isn't being charged.

But her punch wasn't equal to his. No matter how badly you two want it to be

Exactly right, Lector.

[Famous Amos]

No, the problem is that she was at fault for the incident. And at least should be charged with assault, regardless of whether he punch was equivalent, which isn't in the law.

Seriously? That's what you would do if you were the football player? Charge the girl for assault? It was a freaking love tap if anything.

Here's where I differ with you. I see no problem. There wouldn't have been a problem if he would have walked away, but he escalated the situation by reciprocating. If he would have walked away, she would have been at fault, probably thrown out of the bar and he could have continued his night, with a story to share with his friends about some crazy ***** who hit him.

[Famous Amos]

That's the fantasy, never seen it happen in a bar. Video still speaks for itself. You wouldn't have punched her in the face or even grabbed her. You don't grab someone and hang on to them, that gives them right of self defense.

Vid is cruelly obvious, he picked a fight with a girl. A short chubby girl, not some kickass ninja evil medusa who proves your cojones.

Cut to the chase. He initiated contact, maintained it, and punched a girl in the face because she had the audacity to take a feeble left handed swing at him because he wouldn't let go of her. He sure showed her and stood up for men everywhere.

He picked a fight with a girl.

No, I don't think he picked a fight with her. She instigated him. He escalated by hitting her back.

I suppose I'm wrong for holding the male to a higher standard of decision making.

[feldspar]

BTW... This thread is another showing the children from the grown ups. Children: Gloobyal, Feldspar.

Actually, I'm all grown up, buddy.

In case you can't tell, I'm not "on Johnson's side" AT ALL...in no way shape, or form.

I knew what I said would be unpopular, but I don't really care. I'm just speaking to what Darby said. Everybody's so uptight about these things.

[coastal]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513BtSsb8sL._AA160_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Un-Civil-War-Confronting-Subculture-African-American/dp/0615748473/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436669744&sr=8-1&keywords=blacks+vs+******s)http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ECnDxUcqL._AA160_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Please-Stop-Helping-Us-Liberals/dp/1594037256/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436669775&sr=8-1&keywords=stop+helping+us\)http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41GEd9TPyLL._AA160_.jpg (http://www.amazon.com/Shame-America%C2%92s-Past-Polarized-Country/dp/0465066976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1436669275&sr=8-1&keywords=shelby+steele)

again, i dont mean this like a dick, but please for the love of god educate yourself

and before you say something profoundly stupid like icr about how i take all my ideas from some books i like, no thats wrong. i have lived it, for a VERY LONG time, i still live it, and i know what im talking about through experience AND research

you are in the wrong on this topic. ppl like you desperately need to educate yourself. idk why you resist this reality but at some point it will hit you and you will feel like a dick for being so ****ing clueless this whole time when you didnt have to be

those are all live links, you can click on them anytime and download them to your kindle device. i have many more i can recommend. please im begging you, for your own sake, please do so
Dude I go into predominantly African American communities on a daily basis for my job. I go into their homes and work with their family members.

Your ghetto expert card doesn't sway me into turning a blind eye toward your bigotry.

[Meathead]

ok well i tried

my bigotry? when i was criticizing the trayvon affair you sent me a pm saying you wanted to thank george zimmerman. i was shocked and offended but i figured you would think thru it and resolve that problem

now here you are calling me a ****ing bigot. you are a two faced dick

**** off. im finished with you

[Meathead]

first five ppl to send me their email address and i will give you a free amazon kindle book of Blacks vs Ni99ers

i would offer to buy any of those books but im a poor **** and cant afford it. but since that book is only five bucks for some reason right now i will be glad to give one to you

[Meathead]

btw, that book is written by a black man and is required reading in college diversity courses. in fact they were all written by black men, the shelby steele stuff is brilliant

[DraftBoy]

So...having read the whole thread now there is a contingent of men who believe there is justification to hit women.

That's some kind of special...

[Dr. Lecter]

Come on Coastal.

Meathead has already made it perfectly clear.

Midnight Voice's experience with blacks doesn't count. Strattons' definitely doesn't count. So yours doesn't either.

The only that counts is his view of what a few told him

Quit being stupid

[Meathead]

four left

[feldspar]

So...having read the whole thread now there is a contingent of men who believe there is justification to hit women.

That's some kind of special...

Speaking for myself, that's not it at all... Not by a longshot.

Personally, I don't want to be punched by ANYONE, regardless of size or gender. Legally speaking, this girl should be held accountable IMO. It's hypocritical to want equality with exceptions. She should not be absolved of responsibility for what she did by virtue of being a woman. Replace her with a guy in the same situation, and we wouldn't have all these people calling her the victim, like its that cut-and-dried. She'd be the bad guy, if you will.

SHE did something wrong too, and that's all I'm personally saying.

I swear, seems like some people are suggesting that he should have just let her punch him no matter what. Like that's all well and fine...like it's almost her RIGHT to do that on a whim.

[coastal]

ok well i tried

my bigotry? when i was criticizing the trayvon affair you sent me a pm saying you wanted to thank george zimmerman. i was shocked and offended but i figured you would think thru it and resolve that problem

now here you are calling me a ****ing bigot. you are a two faced dick

**** off. im finished with youwhy R u getting so mad?

and no clue what u r talking about with the pm. Not saying I didn't send u one but I don't recall it and im
not much a pm'er anyways.

As far as you and your bigotry... honestly meat... you haven't come up with some new-age race relation paradigm. You're still classifying a certain kind of black as ni££ers. Not just that... you claim some sort or moral high ground for being able to call a spade a spade.

My question to you is this... what's the difference between a ni££er and someone who lives in the hood that has hazel eyes?

[coastal]

btw, that book is written by a black man and is required reading in college diversity courses. in fact they were all written by black men, the shelby steele stuff is brilliant
:rofl:

[DraftBoy]

Speaking for myself, that's not it at all... Not by a longshot.

Personally, I don't want to be punched by ANYONE, regardless of size or gender. Legally speaking, this girl should be held accountable IMO. It's hypocritical to want equality with exceptions. She should not be absolved of responsibility for what she did by virtue of being a woman. Replace her with a guy in the same situation, and we wouldn't have all these people calling her the victim, like its that cut-and-dried. She'd be the bad guy, if you will.

SHE did something wrong too, and that's all I'm personally saying.

I swear, seems like some people are suggesting that he should have just let her punch him no matter what. Like that's all well and fine...like it's almost her RIGHT to do that on a whim.

Who cares that she did something wrong? Unless you're trying to make that point to justify his reaction whether she hit him or not is not germane. He had no right to put his hands on her, none. That's not something that should ever have to be debated but yet you and a number of others somehow think you can twist the events into a justification by using a backdoor set of logical thoughts to blame her for the situation.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has even said to you that they think she was justified in any of her actions. Yet you keep putting up this point like it matters or that anybody even cares. It was a crap point when Darby made it and it's a crap point now. We get it you don't like the double standard or whatever you want to call it. Doesn't change reality though.

[Meathead]

(excerpt ...)

FORWARD

To My Mother: Although dysfunction and crime saturated our public housing landscape, and the typical excuses for failure were embraced by the average resident, you never subscribed to that victimization mentality. Instead, you became a motivating example where none existed. My love, gratitude, and respect for you are eternal.

"It's some ѕhit going on with Black People right now. It's like a civil war going on with Black people and its two sides. It's Black People and there's Ni99ers... and Ni99ers have got to go!" - Chris Rock

"I'm for the truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and and foremost, and as such I'm for woever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole." - Malcom X

First and foremost, I must disclose that I'm not a novelist by profession. I am simply a BLACK man who possesses multi-layered animosity towards a dysfunctional and sociopathic subculture that openly exists within the African-American community. My abhorrence runs so deeply that I'm committed to combating this subculture on any accessible platform. Secondly, I'm no aristocrat, BLACK elitist that has "made it" and subsequently decided to condemn other African-Americans from my ivory tower. Nope, this is an honest and direct assessment recorded from an ugly front line; it's void of political correctness and happy endings. My meager academic credentials consist of a public high school diploma and an incomplete HBCU experience; thus, my viewpoint isn't that of a scholar, intellectual giant, or wordsmith. Instead, it's shaped from my experience as a father, husband, son, brother, uncle, cousin, friend and neighbor living in a modest row home in a "working poor" area of a NIGfested city. Overall, I'm just a fed-up citizen who's venting about the impact of a dysfunctional and bloodthirsty minority within a minority. Despite the reoccurring fear that my thoughts wouldn't effectively transfer into words, continued frustration and anxiety superseded all hindrances, and has resulted in a form of spontaneous combustion that I didn't foresee... this book.

As an individual, I felt powerless against a subculture that was seemingly dictating terms across the country. So, for more than a decade, mentorship has been my primary, combative weapon against them. However, my efforts haven't kept pace with their unending lawlessness that's dilapidating communities and cities. Subsequently, writing became my therapeutic method to convert bottled frustration into effective action. During this writing process, I went through a range of emotions that ultimately made their way into this manuscript: angriness, happiness, somberness, liveliness, pessimism, optimism, sadness, lightheartedness, conservatism, extremism, liberalism, and even sarcasm. Moreover, I found that formal and informal conversational tones were both necessary forms of expression. Predictably, NI99ERfiliacs will interpret my unorthodox analysis as "self-hating," and likely dismiss this book as another "Afristocracy versus Ghettocracy" attack. In other words, the Huxtables attacking HoG residents. Actually, this work is the opposite of self-hating; it's self-loving. The BLACKS versus NI99ERS culture clash shouldn't be confused with the universal conflict between the "haves versus the have nots". Please understand that NI99ERS aren't the "have nots," instead, they're the "rather nots". Why do I call them "rather nots"? Because they would "rather not" productively contribute to society, they "rather not" cease NI99ERtivity, they "rather not" accept responsibility for their actions, they "rather not" (feel free to fill in the blank).

Emphasis must be placed on the fact that this book wasn't written as a rehabilitation instrument for NI99ERS; if books such as the Holy Bible, Holy Qur'an, Torah, Message to the Blackman, etc. don't influence them to constructively change, then what book can? NI99ERS enjoy being NI99ERS, so all benevolent attempts of outreach or reformation have generally been futile. Even the historic and and groundbreaking accomplishment of having a BLACK first family has had minimal transformative effect in the HoG. Arguably, NI99ERtivity has worsened under "hope and Change."

Although this book exposes the continuing class warfare, I realize that this unconventional endeavor will not be unilaterally supported by BLACKS. Regardless, I will continue to speak on behalf of those BLACKS who've exhausted their empathy for the NI99ER subculture. Nature decrees that the young bury the old, but in the African-American community, NI99ERS ensure that the opposite is practiced; the old are burying the young. Statistics confirm that NI99ERS don't subscribe to the open-minded mantra of "live and let live." For that reason, our self-preservation depends on removing or isolating the NI99ER virus from its African-American host, or the host will perish. I'm truly TIRED of premature funerals... I'm truly TIRED of parents burying their children ... I'm truly tired of candlelight prayer vigils, and makeshift stuffed animal memorials ... I'm truly TIRED of "R.I.P." tee shirts and murals of victims... I'm truly TIRED of the cycle of violence and dysfunction engineered by Urban Terrorists! I'm truly tired of being tired; therefore, the NI99ER subculture has to be confronted.

2013, Taleeb Starkes

[feldspar]

Who cares that she did something wrong? Unless you're trying to make that point to justify his reaction whether she hit him or not is not germane. He had no right to put his hands on her, none. That's not something that should ever have to be debated but yet you and a number of others somehow think you can twist the events into a justification by using a backdoor set of logical thoughts to blame her for the situation.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has even said to you that they think she was justified in any of her actions. Yet you keep putting up this point like it matters or that anybody even cares. It was a crap point when Darby made it and it's a crap point now. We get it you don't like the double standard or whatever you want to call it. Doesn't change reality though.

So you think that women should be able to hit men whenever they feel like it and not be held responsible then?

So she had a right to **** her fist at him (God knows what she was saying), and he DIDN'T have a right to try to stop her from hitting him...she was acting like she was about to hit him, which is why he "laid hands on her." Would he have had a right to grab the arm if she were a guy?

To me, the fact that he was wrong in clocking her goes without saying, and that's not the topic of discussion here. If you don't like the topic of discussion, then don't partake in it. Easy.

[Meathead]

coastal has been voted off mhs race issue island. why dont you and tom hold hands and take a walk through clueless whitey forest

but i will still buy your punk ass that book if you send my your email address. you can be reading it in two minutes

[Goobylal]

Um no, he grabbed her and didn't let go. That's the invasive assault. Starts there. Someone grabs you and won't let go, you have a right to defend yourself. She tried, he socked her because she had the audacity to try and make him let go of her. You sort of keep missing that. Why ? Because you want to.

Same thing, you done that ? Anyone done it to you ? Man up. How many fistfights with girls as an adult ?

You dream of proving how tough you are with them though. They're so mean to you. You should grab them and punch them out, they have it coming.

Watch the vid again tough guy. Ooh, you want to be him, standing up for men everywhere. Except men don't act like that. Grow a pair.
Like I said before, if we're going to get silly with the "invasive assault" claim over him grabbing her wrist, raising her fist to him first was also assault and he was just defending himself (and with good reason considering she did end up hitting him). Was he even charged with "invasive assault"? Then she goes and escalates it further by hitting him when she should have said "sorry for being a ***** and trying to prevent you from getting to the bar for no good reason whatsoever." But she didn't. After she started the whole incident.

I'm not of the "woman are equal in every situation" or whatever crowd. I hold doors for women, I go easy on them in sports. I am not a huge, hulking dude, but I can reasonably say I am stronger than most women. If I were in the same situation as the football player, I would have laughed it off and walked away. It would have never occured to me to hit her because she is a girl. She gets pass. She's a ***** and a hoe. I would have like 60 pounds on her and a foot in height. Nothing equal about that.

The whole situation is absurd. I agree with those who are saying she was wrong her blocking him and hitting him. My position is the football player, whom I assume (maybe wrongfully) wasn't drunk?, probably should have been the reasonable person and just gone somewhere else. It's a bar, you don't have the right to a certain spot. You go where you can get in.
I also hold doors for women and treat them with respect. But it doesn't mean I make excuses for their behavior. She had no right to block his access to the bar. And it was a crowded bar it looked like he had to wait to get there, as she did. So he was supposed to go all over the bar looking for an open spot because she felt she had a right to prevent him from getting there, when she didn't? I doubt anyone saying this would have taken their own hindsight advice at that time, but I also doubt they'd have hit her, which again, wasn't right and he deserved to be charged for it.

Seriously? That's what you would do if you were the football player? Charge the girl for assault? It was a freaking love tap if anything.

Here's where I differ with you. I see no problem. There wouldn't have been a problem if he would have walked away, but he escalated the situation by reciprocating. If he would have walked away, she would have been at fault, probably thrown out of the bar and he could have continued his night, with a story to share with his friends about some crazy ***** who hit him.
There also wouldn't have been a problem if she'd just let him get to the bar, which IS his right and she had no right to prevent him from getting there. She was completely wrong and he had no way of knowing she'd continue to escalate things over merely getting to the bar. And if she called him the N word...

So...having read the whole thread now there is a contingent of men who believe there is justification to hit women.

That's some kind of special...
And who would that be?

[Goobylal]

Who cares that she did something wrong? Unless you're trying to make that point to justify his reaction whether she hit him or not is not germane. He had no right to put his hands on her, none. That's not something that should ever have to be debated but yet you and a number of others somehow think you can twist the events into a justification by using a backdoor set of logical thoughts to blame her for the situation.

Nobody, and I mean nobody, has even said to you that they think she was justified in any of her actions. Yet you keep putting up this point like it matters or that anybody even cares. It was a crap point when Darby made it and it's a crap point now. We get it you don't like the double standard or whatever you want to call it. Doesn't change reality though.
LOL! Check please.

[swiper]

Actually, I'm all grown up, buddy.

In case you can't tell, I'm not "on Johnson's side" AT ALL...in no way shape, or form.

I knew what I said would be unpopular, but I don't really care. I'm just speaking to what Darby said. Everybody's so uptight about these things.

What Darby Tweeted was immature and stupid. So you just proved my point about you.

[feldspar]

What Darby Tweeted was immature and stupid. So you just proved my point about you.

**** you too, mature guy with large ego.

[DraftBoy]

So you think that women should be able to hit men whenever they feel like it and not be held responsible then?

Where did I say that? You continue to try and justify the end result by making a claim that essentially boils down to she deserved it. That's not a point I think I'd ever want to make.


So she had a right to **** her fist at him (God knows what she was saying), and he DIDN'T have a right to try to stop her from hitting him...she was acting like she was about to hit him, which is why he "laid hands on her." Would he have had a right to grab the arm if she were a guy?

Where has anybody said that either? You keep inventing arguments that nobody has made.


To me, the fact that he was wrong in clocking her goes without saying, and that's not the topic of discussion here. If you don't like the topic of discussion, then don't partake in it. Easy.

That's absolutely the topic of discussion, the fact that you don't see that is more disturbing than the points you've been trying to make.

[feldspar]

Where did I say that? You continue to try and justify the end result by making a claim that essentially boils down to she deserved it. That's not a point I think I'd ever want to make.



Where has anybody said that either? You keep inventing arguments that nobody has made.



That's absolutely the topic of discussion, the fact that you don't see that is more disturbing than the points you've been trying to make.

Notice how I ASKED you a couple of questions. I didn't make statements nor put words in your mouth. To me both those QUESTIONS should be pretty much rhetorical. They are based on the point I'm trying to get through to you.

The strawman is YOURS:


You continue to try and justify the end result by making a claim that essentially boils down to she deserved it.

I NEVER tried to "justify the end result."

I never even suggested that "she deserved it."

What I said was that she should be held accountable for what she did, which wasn't just nothing. Got that, finally? That's my point, and that's my ONLY point...not to absolve him and totally blame her for getting clocked. Got that?

Yeah, he was wrong and a major douchebag to hit her like that. I think we all agree on that, and I've said that very thing several times myself. So if we agree on that, there is no need for further discussion about that aspect. Is there? I thin there are other points that matter.

[DraftBoy]

Notice how I ASKED you a couple of questions. I didn't make statements nor put words in your mouth. To me both those QUESTIONS should be pretty much rhetorical. They are based on the point I'm trying to get through to you.

No, you committed the loaded question fallacy. Look at your structure "So you think..." you're trying to say that I believe something and then mask it as a question. By answer the question I accept that premise which was false. You're point is based entirely on a fallacy.


I NEVER tried to "justify the end result."

I never even suggested that "she deserved it."

What I said was that she should be held accountable for what she did, which wasn't just nothing. Got that, finally? That's my point, and that's my ONLY point...not to absolve him and totally blame her for getting clocked. Got that?

Yeah, he was wrong and a major douchebag to hit her like that. I think we all agree on that, and I've said that very thing several times myself. So if we agree on that, there is no need for further discussion about that aspect. Is there?

Ok, then explain how her actions in any way have to do with his? Nobody has argued she shouldn't be held accountable but unless you're making a point that she did this to herself (i.e. her actions led to his) then I'm not sure what you're saying because you've repeatedly said you're not trying to justify his action, but can't seem to explain why her actions matter with regard to her getting hit.

[feldspar]

No, you committed the loaded question fallacy. Look at your structure "So you think..." you're trying to say that I believe something and then mask it as a question. By answer the question I accept that premise which was false. You're point is based entirely on a fallacy.

lol, I left out the word "do." "So DO you think...?"

Now you are just going to ignore the questions...

C'mon now with your "fallacy" double-talk. Just put a "do" in the first question, and "does" in the second question, honey. Then actually consider them. They should be rhetorical.


Ok, then explain how her actions in any way have to do with his? Nobody has argued she shouldn't be held accountable but unless you're making a point that she did this to herself (i.e. her actions led to his) then I'm not sure what you're saying because you've repeatedly said you're not trying to justify his action, but can't seem to explain why her actions matter with regard to her getting hit.

I'm arguing against a brick wall, apparently.

They were BOTH wrong. Try to wrap your head around that. If you agree then stop being so contentious and stop projecting things at me. I'm "justifying the end result and she deserved it," huh? Makes me believe that you haven't understood a single word I've said.

I'm focusing on her because it's already been established he was wrong. The difference is that he is getting punished in drastic life-changing ways, and she skates. She sees no real repercussions excepting getting hit once...I've been hit once before too, if you can believe that. This is the topic. Are the punishments applied equally and fairly?

[DraftBoy]

lol, I left out the word "do." "So DO you think...?"

Now you are just going to ignore the questions...

C'mon now with your "fallacy" double-talk. Just put a "do" in the first question, and "does" in the second question, honey. Then actually consider them. They should be rhetorical.

Yes, that is how the english language works. When you add words or leave them out you entirely change the meaning.


I'm arguing against a brick wall, apparently.

They were BOTH wrong. Try to wrap your head around that. If you agree then stop being so contentious and stop projecting things at me. I'm "justifying the end result and she deserved it," huh? Makes me believe that you haven't understood a single word I've said.

I'm focusing on her because it's already been established he was wrong. The difference is that he is getting punished in drastic life-changing ways, and she skates. She sees no real repercussions excepting getting hit once...I've been hit once before too, if you can believe that. This is the topic. Are the punishments applied equally and fairly?

We're not arguing, if this is what you consider to be an argument then you've got some other issues to deal with.

Again with the poor assumptions, show me where I said either of them wasn't wrong. The repeated need to invent narrative to fit your argument should show you the massive holes it has.

And what you've yet to explain is why that is your focus and what is matters if she gets punished or not.

Who cares if you've been hit or not? This isn't about you, and trying to apply your personal experience to this is not relevant.

[feldspar]

Yes, that is how the english language works. When you add words or leave them out you entirely change the meaning.



We're not arguing, if this is what you consider to be an argument then you've got some other issues to deal with.

Again with the poor assumptions, show me where I said either of them wasn't wrong. The repeated need to invent narrative to fit your argument should show you the massive holes it has.

And what you've yet to explain is why that is your focus and what is matters if she gets punished or not.

Who cares if you've been hit or not? This isn't about you, and trying to apply your personal experience to this is not relevant.

So you really ARE that contentious then.

[DraftBoy]

So you really ARE that contentious then.

More assumptions...that's just sad man.

[Goobylal]

More assumptions...that's just sad man.
You mean like assuming that people saying the girl was also at fault and deserved to be charged as well means that they are condoning hitting her?

[DraftBoy]

You mean like assuming that people saying the girl was also at fault and deserved to be charged as well means that they are condoning hitting her?

Did I accuse anybody directly of that?

[Goobylal]

Did I accuse anybody directly of that?
Anyone in particular directly? No. But it seemed obvious who you were referring to. But to set the record straight, if you weren't referring to me or feldspar, then I apologize.

[DraftBoy]

Anyone in particular directly? No. But it seemed obvious who you were referring to. But to set the record straight, if you weren't referring to me or feldspar, then I apologize.

Did you read the whole thread? There are some scary posts on the first few pages.

[feldspar]

More assumptions...that's just sad man.

See what I mean about being contentious...

I guess not.

You haven't even demonstrated to me that you even know WTF I've been talking about in the first place, which I feel is quite clear. You assume I thought she had it coming or some such? Pull head out of ass.

And if you read the OP, you'll know why the topic is what is.

Stick to the topic, sweety.

[feldspar]

Did I accuse anybody directly of that?

Well, again, you said this to me:


You continue to try and justify the end result by making a claim that essentially boils down to she deserved it.

So yeah, I'd say that essentially it boils down to you directly accusing somebody of that, or maybe you can educate me on how the English language works again.

[Goobylal]

Did you read the whole thread? There are some scary posts on the first few pages.
I haven't seen the first few pages in awhile.

[Meathead]

To My Boys and Candy Girls: Troy, Mal, Malik, Ike Jr, Najee, Muff, Shug, and Tootsie. Despite any of my preventative measures, undoubtedly you will encounter the NI99ER subculture. When it occurs, I hope that you'll be able to recognize that their illusory, short-term delights are loaded with real, long-term, and sometimes irreversible consequences. I simply want to maximize your potential, and not make the same mistakes as me. Remember, "The two most important days in your life are the day you were born and the day you find out why." - Mark Twain
2013 Taleeb Starkes

[Meathead]

you would think actually standing in his yard would give me bonus points or something and maybe it does but even in his house its still no better than a third who totally ignore you anyway. im three feet away, im facing your ear, im treating you like a brother, im trying to help you find our mutual friend. still invisible, huh? sometimes im literally standing right next to him and they know im his friend and they still totally ignore me. no ѕhit

a small part of a bigger pattern we all should be familiar with since we saw that behavior a couple generations ago routinely in whitey. still do from a too many numnuts in my hometown. and yet somehow we still dont see the significance of it now that its on the other foot

current culture acts like thats not a factor, or its insignificant, or simply label it as broad brushing and call you racist. its none of those things, its real and its a destructive pattern we need to free as many lost brothers from as we can

how painful it must be to exist like that. stop enabling it. you took away paulas food-that-will-kill-you career, some old dumbasses team, what are you gonna do about puffy? nuthin. big shocker

[Meathead]

btw i dont actually like that Starkes uses the term ni99er, but thats his choice. its his bold catch-style i suppose. the bigger issue is what he is describing. if im gonna use a n-word there i simply use nigga bc in context it means the same thing, as in when blacks say 'just like a nigga' they mean just like a stereotypicial ni99er. but i despise that word so much i simply cant use it myself and never have except academically

[Mace]

No, I don't think he picked a fight with her. She instigated him. He escalated by hitting her back.

I suppose I'm wrong for holding the male to a higher standard of decision making.

I can only say the same thing I've been saying old chum. HE grabbed HER and didn't let go, moving her arm around, shoving it into her neck. If anyone grabbed you like that you'd try and defend yourself, man or woman. It's unacceptable.

No one here would tolerate it, no one here has said they duked out a girl (unless I missed a post) and she had it coming.

AGAIN, has anyone ever been that threatened by a girl in a bar and felt a need to punch her, and then defended their manly at punching a short chubby chick in a bar ?

And real honestly, why did he run away after he did it then ?

Because he punched a girl in a bar and knew he did something wrong.

It's not even about men and women, it's about socially acceptable behavior in a bar. Who laid hands on who first ? So, if you're a short chubby chick getting muscled by a guy, you don't have the right to pretend to defend yourself ? And you're so wrong for taking a swing at a guy who grabs you and won't let go. Do you grab a lot of people and not let go, being astonished they try and defend themselves in a bar ? I mean seriously.

Come on now.

[Goobylal]

I can only say the same thing I've been saying old chum. HE grabbed HER and didn't let go, moving her arm around, shoving it into her neck. If anyone grabbed you like that you'd try and defend yourself, man or woman. It's unacceptable.

No one here would tolerate it, no one here has said they duked out a girl (unless I missed a post) and she had it coming.

AGAIN, has anyone ever been that threatened by a girl in a bar and felt a need to punch her, and then defended their manly at punching a short chubby chick in a bar ?

And real honestly, why did he run away after he did it then ?

Because he punched a girl in a bar and knew he did something wrong.

It's not even about men and women, it's about socially acceptable behavior in a bar. Who laid hands on who first ? So, if you're a short chubby chick getting muscled by a guy, you don't have the right to pretend to defend yourself ? And you're so wrong for taking a swing at a guy who grabs you and won't let go. Do you grab a lot of people and not let go, being astonished they try and defend themselves in a bar ? I mean seriously.

Come on now.
Sorry but punching him wasn't her only recourse after he grabbed her wrist. Stop trying to defend her poor decisions. It doesn't make you any more manly or chivalrous, or her any less dumb.

[Mace]

Sorry but punching him wasn't her only recourse after he grabbed her wrist. Stop trying to defend her poor decisions. It doesn't make you any more manly or chivalrous, or her any less dumb.

Can't even believe you still have anything to say. Actually you don't, you manly girl-punching man admittedly without experience you. Dumb is dumb, you gained a gold card in the club, congrats !

[Goobylal]

Can't even believe you still have anything to say. Actually you don't, you manly girl-punching man admittedly without experience you. Dumb is dumb, you gained a gold card in the club, congrats !
I got a lot to say about your idiotic excuses for stupid drunk chicks. "But, but, but, he grabbed her wrist and held it for, like, a couple seconds so she had no choice BUT to punch him!"

Dumb defending dumb. I'll give you a platinum card in that club.

[Mace]

I got a lot to say about your idiotic excuses for stupid drunk chicks. "But, but, but, he grabbed her wrist and held it for, like, a couple seconds so she had no choice BUT to punch him!"

Dumb defending dumb. I'll give you a platinum card in that club.

Have another few shots until you have to sorry your folks for using the bathroom, the moment is now.

[Goobylal]

Have another few shots until you have to sorry your folks for using the bathroom, the moment is now.
Get some new lines that haven't been used on you before.

[Mace]

Get some new lines that haven't been used on you before.

The truth hurts, man up old son and don't hit a girl doing it.

[Famous Amos]

I can only say the same thing I've been saying old chum. HE grabbed HER and didn't let go, moving her arm around, shoving it into her neck. If anyone grabbed you like that you'd try and defend yourself, man or woman. It's unacceptable.

No one here would tolerate it, no one here has said they duked out a girl (unless I missed a post) and she had it coming.

AGAIN, has anyone ever been that threatened by a girl in a bar and felt a need to punch her, and then defended their manly at punching a short chubby chick in a bar ?

And real honestly, why did he run away after he did it then ?

Because he punched a girl in a bar and knew he did something wrong.

It's not even about men and women, it's about socially acceptable behavior in a bar. Who laid hands on who first ? So, if you're a short chubby chick getting muscled by a guy, you don't have the right to pretend to defend yourself ? And you're so wrong for taking a swing at a guy who grabs you and won't let go. Do you grab a lot of people and not let go, being astonished they try and defend themselves in a bar ? I mean seriously.

Come on now.

I agree with almost everything you are saying. I'm just contending what started it. If you've read my other posts, I've been saying the situation could have been avoided if the football player would have just found a different spot at the bar. Even so,t he dude is only 19, people have been saying he has a right to get a spot at the bar, he's ****ing under age hahaha.

Then I said, he could have avoided the situation if he would have backed away. after being hit.

However, I cannot agree that the male started the altercation. She was already there, there was some jostling. She threatened, albeit lamely, violence, by waving her fist. At this point, we are arguing over details that are either being glossed over or interpreted by the two sides of this conversation.

My main position is that the situation was absurd. You can't take her punch seriously as a legal offense. Both were wrong, he was more wrong due to him being male and she being a tiny female.

[Goobylal]

The truth hurts, man up old son and don't hit a girl doing it.
Not as much as your life must, if you have to spend so much time in bars.

[Goobylal]

I agree with almost everything you are saying. I'm just contending what started it. If you've read my other posts, I've been saying the situation could have been avoided if the football player would have just found a different spot at the bar. Even so,t he dude is only 19, people have been saying he has a right to get a spot at the bar, he's ****ing under age hahaha.

Then I said, he could have avoided the situation if he would have backed away. after being hit.

However, I cannot agree that the male started the altercation. She was already there, there was some jostling. She threatened, albeit lamely, violence, by waving her fist. At this point, we are arguing over details that are either being glossed over or interpreted by the two sides of this conversation.

My main position is that the situation was absurd. You can't take her punch seriously as a legal offense. Both were wrong, he was more wrong due to him being male and she being a tiny female.
Yes you are correct, she did start the altercation when she refused to let him get to the bar (doesn't matter that he was underaged, once he got in he had as much right as anyone else and she didn't know how old he was). She also escalated it and could have walked away herself at anytime before hitting him. Being she's older, she should have known better.

And hitting him first is no legal excuse to hit her back, but she also has no legal excuse for hitting him in the first place so they both should have been charged. Why it all falls on him is anyone's guess.

[Meathead]

Chief Keef, whose legal name is Keith Cozart, announced the formation of the Stop the Violence Now Foundation, which will aim to curb neighborhood crime.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chief-keef-violence-met-20150712-story.html

if this brother really does this and takes care of his family bidness like a man and not a punk, i will welcome him into the light with open arms. of course i will test him. and if he passes i will kiss him on his big lipped brown cheek with my razor thin white lips like the prodigal son he is. and then pray to god hes not gay

[swiper]

Chief Keef, whose legal name is Keith Cozart, announced the formation of the Stop the Violence Now Foundation, which will aim to curb neighborhood crime.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chief-keef-violence-met-20150712-story.html

if this brother really does this and takes care of his family bidness like a man and not a punk, i will welcome him into the light with open arms. of course i will test him. and if he passes i will kiss him on his big lipped brown cheek with my razor thin white lips like the prodigal son he is. and then pray to god hes not gay

This Cozart is Sam Cowart's son. See the Bailey thread in the hockey forum.

[Meathead]

aw crap wrong thread. sorry.now i cant fix it

[Meathead]

This Cozart is Sam Cowart's son. See the Bailey thread in the hockey forum.

so theres hope!

that would be a very interesting question - if hes a decent kid why is this prominent pastor calling him out specifically? i only saw references to snippets of lyrics/comments and it was NOT complimentary for these young men. maybe thats an experiment we should try, tho i think i know what im gonna find

or is this one of those lost kids and sam cowart is another heartbroken parent?

not to make fun of an important real life situation but, stay tuned

[mightysimi]

My only questions for the folks who are in the "you don't hit women ever" crowd is, why is that?

Also do you think she would have taken a swing if she thought he would swing back?

[Bill Cody]

I don't agree he was entitled to punch her, but she needed to be shoved back. It's clear as day he was moving to an open spot at the bar and she prevented him from getting there, then went off on him. She caused the altercation by cocking a fist and then throwing a punch. But again he was not entitled to punch her back, I'm old school on that. I'd rate it 40% her fault for instigating and 60% his for punching a girl. If she did use a racial slur I'd go 60/40 the other way.

[Goobylal]

Chief Keef, whose legal name is Keith Cozart, announced the formation of the Stop the Violence Now Foundation, which will aim to curb neighborhood crime.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-chief-keef-violence-met-20150712-story.html

if this brother really does this and takes care of his family bidness like a man and not a punk, i will welcome him into the light with open arms. of course i will test him. and if he passes i will kiss him on his big lipped brown cheek with my razor thin white lips like the prodigal son he is. and then pray to god hes not gay
Your lips are white? You should get that checked-out.


My only questions for the folks who are in the "you don't hit women ever" crowd is, why is that?

Also do you think she would have taken a swing if she thought he would swing back?
Probably. She's dumb. I doubt he'd have taken a swing at her without her taking a swing at him though.

I don't agree he was entitled to punch her, but she needed to be shoved back. It's clear as day he was moving to an open spot at the bar and she prevented him from getting there, then went off on him. She caused the altercation by cocking a fist and then throwing a punch. But again he was not entitled to punch her back, I'm old school on that. I'd rate it 40% her fault for instigating and 60% his for punching a girl. If she did use a racial slur I'd go 60/40 the other way.
She gets 100% of the blame because she caused and escalated the incident. Doesn't mean he was right to hit her back though.

[Saratoga Slim]

Exactly. I think he was saying that they both punched each other, so they should both face LEGAL consequences.

[Meathead]

As far as you and your bigotry... honestly meat... you haven't come up with some new-age race relation paradigm. You're still classifying a certain kind of black as ni££ers. Not just that... you claim some sort or moral high ground for being able to call a spade a spade.

My question to you is this... what's the difference between a ni££er and someone who lives in the hood that has hazel eyes?

ive been thinking a lot about this the past couple days and id like to take another shot at moving the ball forward or at least clarify. my confidence is low it will do any good but what the hell lets give it a shot

i got mad here bc youve been following me around for months saying stupid ass stuff like ive got my head up my ass or whatever. ive ignored and ignored and ignored bc its not worth my time to even respond to that kind of ridiculous nothing trolling

but then when you finally type something other that baseless fluff, the first thing you say is that im a bigot. me, of all people. its offensive and you can kiss my black ass. im the LAST person that should be called a bigot and its shameful you would even try

i have been crystal clear: i am definitely against the violent elements everywhere in our culture, gangsta poisoning is a prime instigator of that violence in america, and i am firmly against that unacceptable sub-culture infecting our blackness

there is no reasonable definition of bigot or racist that applies here. YOU project that into this situation bc YOU think that criticizing the violent gangsta subculture is broadbrushing all blacks. it definitely is not, thats a sick attachment you and many others have right now. thus you start out your entire premise with a critical error

how can i be bigoted/racist when i am the one that has married a black woman? has volunteered to help blacks learn to read and beat addictions? has served on two panels for the rochester mayor for racial integration and harmony? does that make any ****ing sense to you at all?

you and the masses that make this error need to seriously check yourself. i guarantee, anybody that calls me a bigot or a racist without a specific rational explanation of why they think thats a valid accusation is going to be told to **** off every time, at least why i even bother to reply

your assertion that i am a bigot is wrong, inappropriate, offensive, and ignorant of the reality of whats going on here

[Goobylal]

ive been thinking a lot about this the past couple days and id like to take another shot at moving the ball forward or at least clarify. my confidence is low it will do any good but what the hell lets give it a shot

i got mad here bc youve been following me around for months saying stupid ass stuff like ive got my head up my ass or whatever. ive ignored and ignored and ignored bc its not worth my time to even respond to that kind of ridiculous nothing trolling

but then when you finally type something other that baseless fluff, the first thing you say is that im a bigot. me, of all people. its offensive and you can kiss my black ass. im the LAST person that should be called a bigot and its shameful you would even try

i have been crystal clear: i am definitely against the violent elements everywhere in our culture, gangsta poisoning is a prime instigator of that violence in america, and i am firmly against that unacceptable sub-culture infecting our blackness

there is no reasonable definition of bigot or racist that applies here. YOU project that into this situation bc YOU think that criticizing the violent gangsta subculture is broadbrushing all blacks. it definitely is not, thats a sick attachment you and many others have right now. thus you start out your entire premise with a critical error

how can i be bigoted/racist when i am the one that has married a black woman? has volunteered to help blacks learn to read and beat addictions? has served on two panels for the rochester mayor for racial integration and harmony? does that make any ****ing sense to you at all?

you and the masses that make this error need to seriously check yourself. i guarantee, anybody that calls me a bigot or a racist without a specific rational explanation of why they think thats a valid accusation is going to be told to **** off every time, at least why i even bother to reply

your assertion that i am a bigot is wrong, inappropriate, offensive, and ignorant of the reality of whats going on here
Okay, you're an Uncle Tom then.

[Bill Cody]

My only questions for the folks who are in the "you don't hit women ever" crowd is, why is that?

personally I don't agree with that. I am old school but the reason is that most women are weaker than men. Most. Not all. There are a ton of women in jail that are plenty tough and strong, if one of them punched me in the face I'd punch back hard enough to end the altercation. But that group is pretty small. The reason you don't hit most women is it amounts to bullying.


Also do you think she would have taken a swing if she thought he would swing back?
I kind of think yes. She looks like she's looking for a beef from the jump in that video she really does. I think she thinks she's a chunky badass.