The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting Job

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  • BillsImpossible
    Registered User
    • Mar 2013
    • 16206

    The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting Job

    The quarterback competition is down to Matt Cassel vs. Tyrod Taylor.

    For what it's worth, EJ Manuel had another bad day at camp on Day 6. I think he's officially, "on the bubble," as they say. If EJ continues to be EJ, he's not going to see a snap until the third or even fourth quarter of the 1st preseason game come next Friday. That'll be the tell tale sign of things to come.

    On Day 6 of training camp this morning at SJF College, Tryod Taylor had his best outing so far, making a long TD pass by using his feet to get away from the Bills crazy pass rush, and making fewer mistakes.

    Matt Cassel had another Matt Cassel day. He made some nice throws, made some bad throws, and continues to struggle throwing the football more than 15 yards.

    Tyrod Taylor has the most, "Big Play," ability out of any quarterback on the Bills roster. He's shown that ability consistently every day at training camp so far. He's also made some mistakes, and has missed passes he should make.

    What's interesting about Taylor is how he is gradually getting better every day at camp, while Cassel and Manuel continue to stay the same.

    Taylor's ability to make big plays happen with his feet is what sets him apart from Matt Cassel. He also has a better long ball, and a stronger arm.

    Out of all 3 quarterbacks, Tyrod Taylor has the biggest mountain to climb.

    EJ Manuel has the advantage of knowing his surroundings, his players, and game experience over Taylor.

    Matt Cassel has the advantage when it comes to game experience and bouncing around the NFL as a true veteran quarterback.

    Taylor hasn't had those advantages, yet he's already outplayed the Bills 2013 first round draft pick, and he's giving Matt Cassel a run for his money.

    Tryod Taylor starts opening day at The Ralph. Simms is the backup.

    Manuel and Cassel get cut. Third QB?

    Who cares. If the Bills have to resort to a 3rd quarterback in 2015, let Fred Jackson run the read option.
  • MillsapsBillsFan
    Registered User
    • Mar 2015
    • 625

    #2
    Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

    I do like Tyrod's ability to run with the ball (even if he seems to take off a little too often) but i'm not sure he can win the job. He has a shot, but I just don't see him getting much more accurate, thats a thing that is very difficult to fix (see: EJ). I think this might be a case of people wanting the freshest option, the one that has the least tape on him so far. But just because he's new doesn't mean he's the best option.

    He never even completed 60% of his passes in college, I don't see him all the sudden getting the ability to do that in the NFL. The only reason I'm using college stats is because he doesn't have enough meaningful NFL stats to make a comparison.

    That being said I hope to god that someone proves me wrong and steps up to win the competition. I think he's going to fight as hard as he can, he probably knows this could be his only shot to start in the NFL..
    Last edited by MillsapsBillsFan; 08-05-2015, 06:29 PM.

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    • BillsImpossible
      Registered User
      • Mar 2013
      • 16206

      #3
      Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

      Which quarterback can evade the pass rush best?

      I don't think that's even a fair question.

      The Bills offensive line is designed to run the football. Pass protection is not their strong suit.

      I think Roman wants a quarterback that can make plays with his feet after pass protection breaks down.

      Big plays, Baby.

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      • Mr. Cynical
        Maybe?
        • Oct 2003
        • 9766

        #4
        Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

        Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post
        Which quarterback can evade the pass rush best?

        I don't think that's even a fair question.

        The Bills offensive line is designed to run the football. Pass protection is not their strong suit.

        I think Roman wants a quarterback that can make plays with his feet after pass protection breaks down.

        Big plays, Baby.
        I think this is pretty accurate. Rex knows he's not going to have a quick read, quick release, accurate passer. At best he's going to get a semi-quick read, semi-quick release and marginally accurate guy. So, whoever is back there will need to buy time, since the OL isn't going to be able to block forever. And that person is Tyrod, from what I've been reading. BUT, that said, if he is careless with the ball, he won't make it. He *has* to either toss it out of bounds, or tuck and run and not fumble.

        I hate this situation given the talent on this team. Grrrr.

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        • BillsImpossible
          Registered User
          • Mar 2013
          • 16206

          #5
          Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

          Originally posted by MillsapsBillsFan View Post
          I do like Tyrod's ability to run with the ball (even if he seems to take off a little too often) but i'm not sure he can win the job. He has a shot, but I just don't see him getting much more accurate, thats a thing that is very difficult to fix (see: EJ). I think this might be a case of people wanting the freshest option, the one that has the least tape on him so far. But just because he's new doesn't mean he's the best option.

          He never even completed 60% of his passes in college, I don't see him all the sudden getting the ability to do that in the NFL. The only reason I'm using college stats is because he doesn't have enough meaningful NFL stats to make a comparison.

          That being said I hope to god that someone proves me wrong and steps up to win the competition. I think he's going to fight as hard as he can, he probably knows this could be his only shot to start in the NFL..
          Just think Eli Manning and big plays. He's not the best passer in the NFL, never will be, but he has 2 rings and Peyton has 1.

          Smash mouth football combined with big plays can win Super Bowls.

          One final thought from 30 years ago:

          Jim McMahon.

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          • BillsImpossible
            Registered User
            • Mar 2013
            • 16206

            #6
            Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

            Originally posted by Mr. Cynical View Post
            I think this is pretty accurate. Rex knows he's not going to have a quick read, quick release, accurate passer. At best he's going to get a semi-quick read, semi-quick release and marginally accurate guy. So, whoever is back there will need to buy time, since the OL isn't going to be able to block forever. And that person is Tyrod, from what I've been reading. BUT, that said, if he is careless with the ball, he won't make it. He *has* to either toss it out of bounds, or tuck and run and not fumble.

            I hate this situation given the talent on this team. Grrrr.
            EJ Manuel has no excuses for getting a feel for his receivers. He's been throwing to familiar targets since 2013.

            Matt Cassel has no excuses either, seeing as Kyle Orton stepped in after Labor Day and didn't have a problem delivering the ball accurately to receivers he never played with.

            Tyrod Taylor has played in 1 NFL game, and has nowhere near Cassel's or Orton's experience.

            If there's one quarterback that deserves more time to develop, "chemistry," with his receivers, it's Tyrod Taylor.

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            • EDS
              Registered User
              • Jan 2003
              • 5216

              #7
              Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

              I get the sense that things could actually play out much differently with the Bills "brain" trust electing to go with the guy least likely to screw things up since the defense and running based approach will rely on the QB consistently being able to complete a 6 yard pass for a first down more than it will on big plays from the passing game. With guys like Watkins and Harvin big plays could come from missed tackles and such on short passes.

              We shall see though.

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              • WagonCircler
                Escaped Convict
                • Jul 2002
                • 5876

                #8
                Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                Originally posted by BillsImpossible View Post
                The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting Job.
                You put that out there like it's a fact or a quote from Rex. It's neither.

                The QB who makes the fewest bad plays is going to win the starting job.

                To paraphrase Rex, the Bills need the guy who knows the playbook well enough to check down to the correct running play. He was clearly referring to Cassel.

                That's why Cassel is getting the most first team reps, and that's why he will be the starter.

                Rex knows he has a pile of excrement at QB. He's dealt with that for his entire career as a HC. Clearly his strategy is winning with Defense, a running game and smart, unspectacular passes.

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                • djjimkelly
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 7045

                  #9
                  Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                  what happens when matt simms wins the job lol?

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                  • Mr. Miyagi
                    Lecter's Little Bitch

                    • Sep 2002
                    • 53616

                    #10
                    Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                    So who said EJ had another bad day at camp? Is this from BillsImpossible?

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                    • Topas
                      German smartass
                      • Feb 2014
                      • 880

                      #11
                      Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                      Interesting discussion. Will Rex start the game manager that does not loose games (Matt 'Trent Dilfer'-Cassel) or the strong armed inaccurate big play QB that makes more mistakes (presumably Taylor).

                      You can argue for both. With our D and with our hopefully good running game we only need a QB and if he makes less mistakes than the big-play guy, it is an easy choice.
                      But I am actually with the original poster.

                      A big play guy that can extend plays with his feet and is good for one or two deep passes per game will keep the defense on their heels. And that will make life much easier for our running game. Given that he does not fumble a lot and that the interceptions are the same length as also a punt would have been, I vote for the big-play threat.

                      But I am biased anyway. If you go back I voted for Tyrod as a starter right after we signed him.

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                      • Yasgur's Farm
                        Moderator
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 7091

                        #12
                        Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                        Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi View Post
                        So who said EJ had another bad day at camp? Is this from BillsImpossible?
                        EJ did not have another bad day...

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                        • Gibby
                          Power & Authority Demand Responsibility to the common good, and must never be abused.
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 18211

                          #13
                          Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                          Forget the ****ing love affair with "big plays." The strength of this team is the D, and on offense a very good stable of RBs. That means that for us to be successful we need a very boring brand of football where we control the rock 30 to 40 minutes a game, tire out the opposing D, don't commit stupid penalties, don't commit turnovers, always make sure your trips to the redzone end in at least 3, and be sure to score at least 6 between 40 and 60 percent of the time. Sure, I want to be able to stretch the field on occassion, but I do not want our QBs to have to be in the position that they have to win the football game, I just don't want them to lose.

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                          • Topas
                            German smartass
                            • Feb 2014
                            • 880

                            #14
                            Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                            I agree with you. I dont want the long pass to be our plan A. But completing two long passes per game will do wonders for your run game.
                            We could be succesful with a game plan that goes: run run run run run run bomb run run run run run run run run run run run run bomb ...

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                            I agree with you. I dont want the long pass to be our plan A. But completing two long passes per game will do wonders for your run game.
                            We could be succesful with a game plan that goes: run run run run run run bomb run run run run run run run run run run run run bomb ...

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                            • mightysimi
                              Buckle me in on the highway of sin
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6331

                              #15
                              Re: The Quarterback With The Most, "Big Play," Ability Is Going To Win The Starting J

                              They have to at least try to stretch the field once in a while because if the Gailey era taught us one thing is that never/rarely going deep just means the corners will be jumping all the short routes and stiffle the O.

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