Rexs' ScumBag Circus

[HAMMER]

I was not a fan of the Rex Ryan hire, now even less so.

I realize that many FB players aren't choir boys, but do we need to pick up every scumbag that gets booted from other teams? Harvin and IK have punched teammates, Incognito is a homophobe bully, McCoy is certainly a tool and was crying about a "racist" coach. Who am I leaving out?

It seems Ryan has carte blanche with personnel decisions and I don't like it. I guess we will all see soon enough if those decisions pan out but it certainly has the potential to blow up in OBD's face and be very embarassing for the Pegulas and the rest of One Buffalo.

I hope I am wrong and Rex proves to be right, but I'm not confident that will be the case.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Yes I want more and more scumbags.

Scumbags = wins.

So sick of people talking about "character"

WHO CARES?

If they can play football bring them in.

[HAMMER]

Scumbags= Wins? Is that like the Pythagorean Theorem?

Scumbags have the potential to divide locker rooms, get suspended for punching people, etc.

Not saying it will happen, I hope they take their second/third/and in some cases fourth (Harvin) chances to heart and produce.

"Past behavior is the greatest indicator of future behavior".

[Buffalogic]

Talent > Character. Bring 'em all in.

[GreedoII]

All I care is about Sunday. Don't care if they are punching QB's or gambling addicts...as long as they are lining up and winning games baby...

[feldspar]

I think the Bills have a pretty solid locker room.

I don't mind giving these guys another chance, myself. It should come as no surprise that a sport based largely upon "controlled" violence breeds overly-aggressive men. People get excited about smash-mouth football and talk about going out there and hitting them in the mouth, and yet turn around with shock and chagrin when somebody actually DOES get hit in the mouth. It's a guys JOB to push other people around physically, yet it's unacceptable for him to have a mean streak. You really can't succeed in this sport without being aggressive.

Gotta recognize the nature of the beast.

I don't think any of these guys will repeat their past incidences in Buffalo. Clean slate and all that.

You got a problem with giving a guy another chance?

[MillsapsBillsFan]

The Bills have strong veteran leadership already in place. I'm okay with them bringing in players for a second chance.

If they mess up again they're gone and they are who we thought they were. If they fall into line then we get a great player.

No risk, High reward.

I'd rather have a team of second (or third) chances that wins than a team of squeeky clean boyscouts that goes 1-15

[trapezeus]

i think rex can very well be the right coach for many teams with his eye on defense and having a talented squad.

he has issues being too loyal at times. but he's gone outside his comfort zone and got a successful OC. It seems like they coexist well.

I like the IK pickup. Few on the jets seem to think he was albert haynesworth type. HE seemed to do something others thought he got goaded into.

and part of second chances is having mentoring that helps you not do the same thing. HAve you ever worked at a job with no mentoring and worked at one with mentoring? that is literally how people learn. If IK fails, it'll be no money and they'll have tried. if he goes on to be a helpful ST player with depth at LB, great.

I think this team specifically needed someone like Rex who felt the swagger the defense had and got out from timid doug's afraid of everything mentality. I don't think rex's style is good for a super young team, but that's not what he has here.

now if rex and the bills end up outclassed Dick Jauron style, i'll be happy to change my tune and say he's a bad coach. but i won't say, "we should have never taken our chances with REx."

[JoeMama]

Talent > Character. Bring 'em all in.

I'm not saying I want a team of choir boys, but can we really say IK Enemkpali has talent?

What do we know about this guy other than we enjoyed the laugh he gave us when he punched a Jets QB in the face?

[Zoneblitser]

******ed thread.

[Pinkerton Security]

Dude shut up.

Mccoy = elite RB and to write him off because you personally think hes a tool shows the crappiness of this thread.
Harvin=elite talent/athlete
Incognito=instant upgrade at guard and a very good run blocker
IK=someone Rex drafted with obviously high upside.

These players werent signed because of their issues, they were signed because they are likely to make us a better football team

[Joe Fo Sho]

Dude shut up.

Mccoy = elite RB and to write him off because you personally think hes a tool shows the crappiness of this thread.
Harvin=elite talent/athlete
Incognito=instant upgrade at guard and a very good run blocker
IK=someone Rex drafted with obviously high upside.

These players werent signed because of their issues, they were signed because they are likely to make us a better football team

But haven't you seen the lion tamers and trapeze artists outside of the Bills training camp this year? It's a circus, I tells ya!

[The Natrix]

Unless they are known women and/or child abusers, I could really care less what they've done in the past. I could even let a murderer slide if it seems like the other guy deserved it.

It's more about their package as a whole rather than isolated incidents.

[HHURRICANE]

Lets have a talentless team full of character.

[don137]

Rex has taken over on many questionable character players in his coaching tenure. The team never imploded as a result. He seems to keep them in check.

[Goobylal]

Incog won't be a problem. Neither will Enemkpali. Harvin possibly could be, but he seems to genuinely respect Rex, Lal, and the Pegulas, and the other WR's have embraced him, so I doubt he becomes a problem.

[casdhf]

These guys, other than shady, are on one year deals.

[Buffalogic]

I'm not saying I want a team of choir boys, but can we really say IK Enemkpali has talent?

What do we know about this guy other than we enjoyed the laugh he gave us when he punched a Jets QB in the face?That's fair. Jets players say he is a good player and will help us win as a LB and in special teams. I'll see if I can dig up the quote. Here it is (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/14/jets-on-bills-claiming-jaw-breaker-ik-enemkpali-rex-is-rex/). “He drafted him, so it wasn’t really a reaction,” defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson (http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8314/sheldon-richardson) said. “I kind of figured that, actually. I’m pretty sure the whole locker room knew that was going to happen.”
“Not at all [surprised]. IK’s an excellent pass rusher off the edge, he does his thing in the special-teams area too, so he’s an asset to a team. For real.”

[CoolBreeze]

You shouldn't believe everything you read. There are always things left out of the story, that seem to come out later. Many sources in Jets land said Geno started it, There was much more to the Incognito story than reported.

Do you think past Bills were choir boys? You just hear about it more now with social media, and the hype that is the NFL.
I was not a fan of the Rex Ryan hire, now even less so.

I realize that many FB players aren't choir boys, but do we need to pick up every scumbag that gets booted from other teams? Harvin and IK have punched teammates, Incognito is a homophobe bully, McCoy is certainly a tool and was crying about a "racist" coach. Who am I leaving out?

It seems Ryan has carte blanche with personnel decisions and I don't like it. I guess we will all see soon enough if those decisions pan out but it certainly has the potential to blow up in OBD's face and be very embarassing for the Pegulas and the rest of One Buffalo.

I hope I am wrong and Rex proves to be right, but I'm not confident that will be the case.

[sdbillsfan2]

Has political correctness reached the NFL too ? I sure hope not. Football history is loaded with " characters. I tune in to watch the game. The rest is fodder for old ladies. Sign players and play the game.
jmho

[Goobylal]

This is football and I watch to see my team win. Who the players are and how they act is mostly secondary because they don't represent me, the city of Buffalo, or anyone else besides themselves. Would I rather have choir boys who are all-pros? Sure. Do I need that? No.

[swiper]

Sadly, some of us remember John Hannah. Some call him the best football player of all time. There's your choir boy. We get Ritchie Incognito.

[Goobylal]

Sadly, some of us remember John Hannah. Some call him the best football player of all time. There's your choir boy. We get Ritchie Incognito.
The SB era Bills weren't choir boys. There just wasn't internet around back then.

[better days]

Sadly, some of us remember John Hannah. Some call him the best football player of all time. There's your choir boy. We get Ritchie Incognito.

Yeah, well I will take Incognito over Hannah today.

I'm pretty sure Hannah is finished.

[swiper]

But was a choir boy.

[Albany,n.y.]

In 2010 a new coach came in. He agreed with the team's philosophy of having character guys on the team. In tandem with Buddy Nix, one of the 1st things they did was show one of the lesser character guys that he wasn't welcome. They drafted a player, a character guy, #1 at the player's position, cut the vets playing time, made him want out & ran him out of town, devaluing his trade value in the process. We all know how well that worked out.

We've tried a team of character guys long enough. It's time to worry about how the guy does on the field for a change.

[GvilleBills]

In the college game, I prefer my team to do things the right way. Even though Meyer brought trophies to Gainesville, the end result was an embarrassment. Its about setting these young men up for success in life.


Now, in the pros, just don't hurt kids, women, or animals, and the rest I couldn't care less about.

It's all about the Ws

[HAMMER]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/08/15/rex-ryan-bills-may-inviting-trouble/tjOLjBWGVdD3U8CG4oQGrI/story.html

[HAMMER]

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/8/16/9161155/news-cartoonist-pokes-fun-at-bills

[BertSquirtgum]

Just win. Who the **** cares. So pathetic to cry about this.

[HAMMER]

I'm not crying, it's just a topic for discussion that definitely bears watching. It's always fun to rile up the natives, been pretty boring discussing the same old QB BS.

[justasportsfan]

Have there been scumbags that acted up under Rexs watch as hc coach of the jets other than that scumbag st trainer of his that tripped a player? As long as they behave as a bill I'm okay.

[Mr. Pink]

I don't care who the team signs if they can produce on the field.

Incognito was a probowl lineman, Harvin was a difference maker in a Superbowl, McCoy is a top 5 NFL RB. Those are the type of players you want on your team to help you win football games.

Now IK, just don't get it. He's proven nothing except he can punch out people. No reason to sign him. If they went and grabbed Aldon Smith, another troublemaker but has shown he can produce on the field, that's another story.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Didn't I read that Ik was sort of justifiable in decking Geno, and that Incognito went through sensitivity training and is trying to turn a new leaf? Honestly though, these are football players. If you are looking for role models for your young boys well looking for sports stars and celebrities for them to look up at is almost as big of a failed approach as trying to get your daughters to look up at porn actresses and strippers.