Darby sucks!!!!

[HHURRICANE]

The whiff on the tackle was the final straw. Please enough excuses for this guy. If he wasn't a 2nd rounder he'd be cut.

[justasportsfan]

Get rid of FJ!!!!

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Yea he's been awful 2/3 preseason games McLovin can't get back soon enough. What's the word on him to date?

[Novacane]

He doesn't suck. He's a rookie. Rex said again today that they've intentionally put him out on an island to test him. They won't do that in regular season.

[YardRat]

We'll see when the bullets start flying for real, but up to this point Darby makes James Williams look like he had SuperVision.

[Ingtar33]

he makes Chris Watson look like a probowler. Lets be real here, he's rancid and a blown 2nd rounder.

[casdhf]

I liked what I saw last week. He lacks confidence. That will come. Hopefully

[alohabillsfan]

Lmao, yup cut him now! Stupid thread

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Lmao, yup cut him now! Stupid thread

[Night Train]

Rex was asked post game about the CB's on an island practice. Said that may change come the opener. Expect to see Safety help.

[djjimkelly]

wow relax hes a rook whos still learning and yes i too heard that rex left the secondary in some different coverages for testing purposes

[Lucidvizion]

Remember when Revis was a rookie and Trent Edwards made him look like crap?

[Kenny]

Remember when Revis was a rookie and Trent Edwards made him look like crap?

no

[starrymessenger]

I think I remember seeing a pre draft report on him where they said although it was true that opposing QBs rarely threw to his side in college ( because he's athletic and a good cover corner) he was sure to attract lots of PI infractions in the pros. Hopefully Rex can break him of that habit.

[starrymessenger]

Remember when Revis was a rookie and Trent Edwards made him look like crap?
No, what I remember of Revis as a rookie was him sticking on Lee Evans like an old fly on flypaper. I remember saying to myself "who is THAT?"

[justasportsfan]

He's rusty. He didn't get a lot of balls thrown his way in college. :ill:

[Jimkelly12203]

You know who else sucked as a rookie? D. Revis. I remember when Trent Edwards torched Revis in his rookie year. He just tore the dude apart.

Rex is putting these guys in horrible situations for a reason. In meaningless games, you have to test your players. Especially your DBs in a scheme that relies so heavily on them doing their job without help.

That being said, am i worried about the DB situation? Yes. Do i think Darby is a bust? Ridiculous to make that determination right now.

The two calls against him were absolute bull ****.

[HHURRICANE]

He sucks!

[jamze132]

He doesn't suck. He's a rookie. Rex said again today that they've intentionally put him out on an island to test him. They won't do that in regular season.

So he's the guy that will prevent us from running our scheme? The bottom line is that he's way too inexperienced to be a starter. Unfortunately for us, he's the 2nd best CB we currently have and that's not saying much considering Gilmore is made of glass.

[GreedoII]

Darby will get help from roll over coverages with over the top safety help. That's the plan anyway. Gilmore is on his own and all coverages go the other way. it will fine.

[GvilleBills]

I didn't like the pick when it was made, more because the person not the position, but it's way too early to be flinging the bust label around.

I am concerned about our corners though...

[HHURRICANE]

Please people. I've watched many a rookie come into our secondary, this kid should not be on the field.

He's a liability and QBs will be going to him every play.

[gebobs]

Losman/Evans burned Revis for an 85-yarder in '07. Revis had good coverage and nearly got the pick but the safety got his fat ass in the way and they basically took each other out. 15 seconds of excitement bookended by 59:45 of crap. Revis got a pick off of Tred before he went down and was replaced by Losman.

Darby ain't no Revis. Neither should he be cut.

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[starrymessenger]

Losman/Evans burned Revis for an 85-yarder in '07. Revis had good coverage and nearly got the pick but the safety got his fat ass in the way and they basically took each other out. 15 seconds of excitement bookended by 59:45 of crap. Revis got a pick off of Tred before he went down and was replaced by Losman.

Darby ain't no Revis. Neither should he be cut.

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Thanks for posting this. It's the play I had in mind when I said how I was impressed with Revis's coverage of Evans. I
remembered he was beaten but that the result was a fluke that took nothing away from Revis (with kudos to Evans for being heads up). There may have been another where Evans caught a ball that bounced off Revis's shoulders but where again the coverage was I thought the best I'd ever seen.

[emoulds80]

relax lol

[DynaPaul]

Trial by fire, I like the approach. Don't worry, this dude will improve.

[sudzy]

Tim Jennings cut by Bears today. Might be worth a look if McKelvin still going to be a while.

[DraftBoy]

Yea he's been awful 2/3 preseason games McLovin can't get back soon enough. What's the word on him to date?

Last report was he would go to PUP and come back around Week 6. We'll likely know in the next few days with a roster cut down coming.

[DraftBoy]

Darby's issues aren't going to be fixed simply by rolling a safety over top. He's not bad in coverage, where he struggles is turning his head and locating the ball. It plagued him at FSU and has plagued him thus far in the NFL. If Darby turned his head and located the ball he could of been a Top 15 pick. He's actually not a bad tackler, though that whiff was just ugly, he closes strong and can hit. The biggest question I had about Darby was does he need to be in more of a zone coverage scheme where everything stays in front of him as opposed to a man scheme where he has to turn and run?

Henderson will need to work some magic with him to get him ready to play outside full time. It may take a few years like it did with McKelvin. McKelvin had the exact same problem coming out of Troy.

[kishoph]

Last report was he would go to PUP and come back around Week 6. We'll likely know in the next few days with a roster cut down coming.


This would suck, McKelvin has turned into a solid corner IMO. There's depth with the DB's, but quality depth, I'm not sure.
I think Darby has a lot of raw talent, once he learns better technique and gets a little tougher, he'll be alright (I hope). His size is a little concerning, with some of today's big receivers, he's really at a disadvantage if he's locked up one on one.

[HHURRICANE]

Darby's issues aren't going to be fixed simply by rolling a safety over top. He's not bad in coverage, where he struggles is turning his head and locating the ball. It plagued him at FSU and has plagued him thus far in the NFL. If Darby turned his head and located the ball he could of been a Top 15 pick. He's actually not a bad tackler, though that whiff was just ugly, he closes strong and can hit. The biggest question I had about Darby was does he need to be in more of a zone coverage scheme where everything stays in front of him as opposed to a man scheme where he has to turn and run?

Henderson will need to work some magic with him to get him ready to play outside full time. It may take a few years like it did with McKelvin. McKelvin had the exact same problem coming out of Troy.

Good post!

[DraftBoy]

This would suck, McKelvin has turned into a solid corner IMO. There's depth with the DB's, but quality depth, I'm not sure.
I think Darby has a lot of raw talent, once he learns better technique and gets a little tougher, he'll be alright (I hope). His size is a little concerning, with some of today's big receivers, he's really at a disadvantage if he's locked up one on one.

I'm not as worried about his size, he was 5'11, with a 41.5 inch vertical and 31 3/8 inch arms. His measurables are pretty good for his height.

[jamze132]

I'm not quite ready to give him the Chris Watson label, like I am for Ron Brooks.

[djjimkelly]

LMAO at this thread

[Dr. Lecter]

Nothing like pre-season over reaction to how bad or good players are.

A rancid, blown pick who should've been cut.

Yikes.

[FlyingDutchman]

Even in the Pats games Darby was step for step with whoever he covered. Some of the passes were the only places that could be caught by the receivers.

[jamze132]

lol woops

[Jimkelly12203]

No, what I remember of Revis as a rookie was him sticking on Lee Evans like an old fly on flypaper. I remember saying to myself "who is THAT?"

Not picking on you. A few have had this sentiment. You're not remembering it right.

Edwards ABUSED Revis when he was a rookie. It was bad. It was during Edwards stretch of good games, but it was so bad i remember thinking that the Jets first round pick sucks.

He absolutely torched Revis. Goes to show you how much these rooks have to learn in their first year particularly for a corner in a Rex Ryan defense.

As for Darby, hey we were all concerned. Rex said they were throwing it all at him to test him. I thought he might have been BSing to cover for his guy, but it looks like he wasn't BSing. Say what you will about Rex. He is honest to a fault. I admire that about him.

[Jimkelly12203]

You know who else sucked as a rookie? D. Revis. I remember when Trent Edwards torched Revis in his rookie year. He just tore the dude apart.

Rex is putting these guys in horrible situations for a reason. In meaningless games, you have to test your players. Especially your DBs in a scheme that relies so heavily on them doing their job without help.

That being said, am i worried about the DB situation? Yes. Do i think Darby is a bust? Ridiculous to make that determination right now.

The two calls against him were absolute bull ****.

Sorry Lucid. Didn't see your post when i put this out there.

You nailed it.

[gebobs]

Edwards ABUSED Revis when he was a rookie.
Negative. See post #22 above.

[TheBrownBear]

Negative. See post #22 above.

It was the first game against the Jets, in Buffalo. Think we won 17-14 or something. I remember Trent having a fair amount of success throwing at Revis's side of the field.

[Jimkelly12203]

Negative. See post #22 above.Ahh that's right! It was Losman. Good call. I have tried to block out as much detail of the last 15 years as possible I guess...

[gebobs]

Ahh that's right! It was Losman. Good call. I have tried to block out as much detail of the last 15 years as possible I guess...

My point was that Revis was not "torched". Can't fault him for that TD. He was all over that pass. Evans got lucky when the safety took Revis out. There was good reason they had him cover our franchise player. It wasn't enough though.

[Night Train]

I tripped once when I was 8, so my parents immediately determined I wouldn't amount to anything and had me committed.

They were partially right.. but I eventually spited them and raised a good family, given time. :up:

[Lucidvizion]

Sorry Lucid. Didn't see your post when i put this out there.

You nailed it.

No problem... a number of people didn't appear to believe me anyway. I remembered it clear as day. It was bad enough that the announcers made note of it.

[feldspar]

I tripped once when I was 8...

I tripped several times when I was a teenager...but I ain't trippin' now

[alohabillsfan]

Bump lmao

[HHURRICANE]

Lol....I've been eating my crow just fine. But thanks for putting a cherry on it for me.

[gebobs]

I tripped several times when I was a teenager...but I ain't trippin' now

I tripped at the Dead show in Santa Clara last June.

[mightysimi]

PFF top 5 CB's by QB rating when targeted:
1. Darby 31.8
2. Talib 32.4
3. Norman 38.8
4. Grimes 41.3
5. Revis 44.2

[Saratoga Slim]

PFF top 5 CB's by QB rating when targeted:
1. Darby 31.8
2. Talib 32.4
3. Norman 38.8
4. Grimes 41.3
5. Revis 44.2

that's good company

[Joe Fo Sho]

that's good company

Yeah, to see guys like Revis, Grimes, and Talib be compared to Darby? That's really nice for those guys.

[Ingtar33]

Bump lmao

I'm very glad about his performance. He was rancid in PS, it's good to see him kicking butt. just makes the future look brighter.

[Oaf]

Just like we overreacted about the PS, we're doing the same thing here. It's been three games. Give it a season first.

[swiper]

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[streetkings01]

Negative. See post #22 above.Revis def got abused in that game. We picked on Revis with Reed and Evans.

(14:13) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 84-R.Royal to BUF 32 for 13 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 32.
(4:39) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 82-J.Reed to BUF 22 for 6 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught at BUF 22
(3:19) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 83-L.Evans to BUF 35 for 16 yards (51-J.Vilma, 24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 32.
(1:54) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 84-R.Royal to NYJ 37 for 6 yards (24-D.Revis). FUMBLES (24-D.Revis), RECOVERED by NYJ-54-V.Hobson at NYJ 38.
(11:05) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 11-R.Parrish to BUF 29 for 7 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 23.
(8:39) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 82-J.Reed to NYJ 7 for 9 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at NYJ 12.
(1:39) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 11-R.Parrish to BUF 25 for 10 yards (50-E.Barton, 24-D.Revis). Caught near sideline at BUF 25.
(14:21) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 11-R.Parrish to 50 for 9 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 45.
(12:55) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 84-R.Royal to NYJ 34 for 13 yards (24-D.Revis). Penalty on NYJ-36-D.Barrett, Illegal Use of Hands, declined.

I remember watching that game and noticed at the time that they were attacking him all game long.

[gebobs]

Revis def got abused in that game. We picked on Revis with Reed and Evans.

(14:13) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 84-R.Royal to BUF 32 for 13 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 32.
(4:39) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 82-J.Reed to BUF 22 for 6 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught at BUF 22
(3:19) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 83-L.Evans to BUF 35 for 16 yards (51-J.Vilma, 24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 32.
(1:54) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 84-R.Royal to NYJ 37 for 6 yards (24-D.Revis). FUMBLES (24-D.Revis), RECOVERED by NYJ-54-V.Hobson at NYJ 38.
(11:05) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 11-R.Parrish to BUF 29 for 7 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 23.
(8:39) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 82-J.Reed to NYJ 7 for 9 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at NYJ 12.
(1:39) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 11-R.Parrish to BUF 25 for 10 yards (50-E.Barton, 24-D.Revis). Caught near sideline at BUF 25.
(14:21) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 11-R.Parrish to 50 for 9 yards (24-D.Revis). Caught in flat at BUF 45.
(12:55) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 84-R.Royal to NYJ 34 for 13 yards (24-D.Revis). Penalty on NYJ-36-D.Barrett, Illegal Use of Hands, declined.

I remember watching that game and noticed at the time that they were attacking him all game long.

I guess by torched, I was thinking of the bomb to Evans that sealed the second game. Evans had a horseshoe up his as on that one. And yeah, that was Losman so I was thinking of the wrong game.

As for that first game, sure, he was definitely targeted. Nine thrown his way, he defensed one. Only one deep pass and it was incomplete. The rest were classic Trent dinks and dunks. Seven completions, only three of which contributed in any manner in a scoring drive. Total yardage was just 62 yards of the 250 total by the Bills. Forced a fumble to stop a drive. Not bad for a rookie. The big gains came against Barrett on the other side.

Anyhoo, I think we can all agree that Darby has done pretty well for a rook too.

[Night Train]

Remember, he sucks.

:rolleyes:

Give Gilmore the $ this spring and you have your bookend CB's with Robey in the slot for years.

[ICRockets]

Remember, he sucks.

:rolleyes:

Give Gilmore the $ this spring and you have your bookend CB's with Robey in the slot for years.

Robey was one of our worst defenders last night. I try to find an upgrade at nickel/dime in the offseason, if possible.

[ICRockets]

Darby's success really highlights for me how great Doug Whaley has been the last few years, and how totally foolish the people calling for his head a couple weeks ago are looking.

His only high draft busts are EJ and Kuandjio, but they're offset by finding some diamonds in the rough with Karlos, Seantrel, and Tyrod.

And the Shady-for-Kiko trade currently looks like Herschel Walker levels of lopsided.

[Dr. Lecter]

Robey was one of our worst defenders last night. I try to find an upgrade at nickel/dime in the offseason, if possible.

Off one night?

[ICRockets]

Off one night?

He's got time to change my mind, but I've thought he's a step below what we need most of the season. It's disappointing, because I really liked him last year and the year before. I think he might need to be used as a blitzer more. His size is natural camouflage, and he's a speedy little ****er coming in hot off the edge.

[mightysimi]

I think it was because of Decker in the slot. Usually the slot guy is shorter so it isn't as much an issue for him. Looks like everything was just above his head last night.

[justasportsfan]

All our dbs are fine including Robey.

If the most expensive DL in the NFL could get pressure. Them maybe the cbs can get more ints. Look at last year

[Joe Fo Sho]

Darby last night - 5 targets, 1 catch allowed, -2 yards.

[Ingtar33]

Darby's success really highlights for me how great Doug Whaley has been the last few years, and how totally foolish the people calling for his head a couple weeks ago are looking.

His only high draft busts are EJ and Kuandjio, but they're offset by finding some diamonds in the rough with Karlos, Seantrel, and Tyrod.

And the Shady-for-Kiko trade currently looks like Herschel Walker levels of lopsided.

Karlos Williams is looking like one of our best draft picks in the past decade right now. Legit playmaker, and I LOVE how he runs; reminds me a lot of Terrell Davis. Not sure how he'd do in a different scheme but in this one with the pulling guards and lead blockers he's thriving.

[Jry44]

Robey was one of our worst defenders last night. I try to find an upgrade at nickel/dime in the offseason, if possible.

Robey being matched up on Decker in the slot was a concerning mismatch. I think he's a rock solid Nickel corner.

[sudzy]

And the Shady-for-Kiko trade currently looks like Herschel Walker levels of lopsided.

Whoa!! The Cowboys got Hall of Fame RB Emmit Smith, 5x Pro Bowler Darren Woodson, starters like Dixon Edwards and Alvin Harper + others. I like McCoy, but, these trades don't even belong in the same paragraph.

[YardRat]

I like Robey a lot, but his play has slipped a little bit this year. Could simply be a matter of teams moving their receivers away from Gilmore and Darby, and at Robey, trying to get a more favorable match up.

[Woodman]

we need a big mean relentless huge ass kicking defensive lineman.

we also gotta get the best center possible.

and last but not least we need secondary help 2 cb's would be nice.

[HHURRICANE]

Ok....it was pre-season and he looked horrible. I've eaten my crow on this thread more than once. Watching him at the game he's maybe one of the best I've ever seen at the position. I was sitting with a Jets fan, and buddy, and he's like "that guy is ridiculously talented." The same friend pointed out how bad 37 is.

Robey got roasted all night. You could see Fitzpatrick working the ball wherever he was. That's why Decker had such a big night.

[swiper]

One of the most talented defensive backfields the Bills have ever had. Now the front 7 has to get it together.

[EricStratton]

When all is said and done Decker only had 85 yards and 6 catches

[Night Train]

we need a big mean relentless huge ass kicking defensive lineman.

we also gotta get the best center possible.

and last but not least we need secondary help 2 cb's would be nice.

You had me until the CB statement. Our 2 wide starters are as good a pair as any in the NFL. Gilmore needs another contract here. Depth in later rounds or FA.

DE ( To replace cap concern Mario) or OT should be our early draft round focus.

[swiper]

You had me until the CB statement. Our 2 wide starters are as good a pair as any in the NFL. Gilmore needs another contract here. Depth in later rounds or FA.

DE ( To replace cap concern Mario) or OT should be our early draft round focus.

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