Whaley deserves a raise! Glad Jackson is gone!

[HHURRICANE]

I'm actually starting to believe the Fred Jackson homers would rather stay out of the playoffs. Maybe we should bring Eric Moulds out of retirement, fire Rex, and bring back Marv.

I'm actually embarrassed right now. NEWS FLASH: we cut a guy that was set to make 2.5 million and Seattle wants to pay the same guy around $500,000. That's right folks, $500,000. The Bills were in a no win situation and I applaud Whaley for making a tough, football minded decision.

I'm sick and tired of losing good players like Peters, Lynch....that's right Marshawyn Lynch! Maybe a competent front office should have traded Fred for a 4th rounder instead of Lynch in 2010? I digress, anyway, the old regime and some of you fans liked over paying Schobel but were ok watching Peters walk out the door.

Congrats Whaley for having some gonads unlike the Jackson Homers. I like winning and personally our captain was here for 9 years of losing. Fred your welcome for us pulling you from Arena Football and NFL Europe and over paying you. Good luck with what has been an amazing life.

[Topas]

I kind of agree that it might have been the correct decision football-wise. The likelihood is high that he might get injured this season. Then again, his pass blocking and his 3rd down performance will be missed. Especially if Shady does not make it through 16 games with our run-heavy offense.
Lets see. If Shady gets injured and Brown keeps fumbing, Whaley is an idiot. If Shady does not get injured, Brown improves and maybe Freddy gets injured, he is a genious. I understand he had to make a decision and I dont think it was necessarily wrong.

But I have another problem with your post.


Fred your welcome for us pulling you from Arena Football and NFL Europe and over paying you

Huh? We never overpaid for him. He was tremendous here and outplayed next to all other RBs we had. The only problem was that he was underused. Thats why his yard totals might not be that much impressive. But that is not his problem. That was because we had idiot coaches for too many years.
Overpaying ... lol ...

[swiper]

Whaley should be fired. Jackson was willing to take a pay cut. Whaley makes the decision to keep the fumbler over Jackson. One more in a line of bad decisions by this GM.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/01/fred-jackson-says-doug-whaley-wasnt-honest/

[JoeMama]

I'm actually starting to believe the Fred Jackson homers would rather stay out of the playoffs. Maybe we should bring Eric Moulds out of retirement, fire Rex, and bring back Marv.

I'm actually embarrassed right now. NEWS FLASH: we cut a guy that was set to make 2.5 million and Seattle wants to pay the same guy around $500,000. That's right folks, $500,000. The Bills were in a no win situation and I applaud Whaley for making a tough, football minded decision.

I'm sick and tired of losing good players like Peters, Lynch....that's right Marshawyn Lynch! Maybe a competent front office should have traded Fred for a 4th rounder instead of Lynch in 2010? I digress, anyway, the old regime and some of you fans liked over paying Schobel but were ok watching Peters walk out the door.

Congrats Whaley for having some gonads unlike the Jackson Homers. I like winning and personally our captain was here for 9 years of losing. Fred your welcome for us pulling you from Arena Football and NFL Europe and over paying you. Good luck with what has been an amazing life.

This is a very cute attempt at glossing over an incredibly poor personnel decision but it's a troll job at best, buffoonery at worst.

First of all, to associate our regular season woes with Fred Jackson is absurd. Over the last 8 years, there were many swathes of games where he was the literally only player that made this team watchable.

So instead of framing your argument as Freddie was a liability that contributed to our losses (which is demonstrably false, since he kept us more competitive than we had any right to be), the correct answer is: Freddie was a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy, windblown era of Bills football.

Second of all, your weird tangent about past players has nothing to do with Fred Jackson, it's a straw man. I love #22 but I also wanted us to retain Jason Peters. And that chestnut about bringing E-Mo out of retirement? I get that you're probably new to hyperbole and that's why you went so over the top with the E-Mo barb, but tone it down some if you want serious traction.

As for the rest of your trash, Freddie was willing to take a pay cut. Freddie can catch. Freddie can block (a perennially underrated feature). Freddie still has the wheels to sprint past guys ten years his junior. Freddie has great patience and vision. Freddie is a great locker room guy. Intangibles off the charts.

So no, this wasn't a great move where we should hand our GM a courage award for his bold foresight.

It was lame.

[GreedoII]

Whaley should be fired. Jackson was willing to take a pay cut. Whaley makes the decision to keep the fumbler over Jackson. One more in a line of bad decisions by this GM.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/01/fred-jackson-says-doug-whaley-wasnt-honest/

you know Jackson fumbled 5 times last year and brown only 1 time? don't be stupid...err..too late

[Typ0]

When it was decided they were going with Tyrod and EJ started showing up as well the need for FJ skills diminished.

[HHURRICANE]

I absolutely wrote this thread to defend a good decision. I love Jackson.

1) I don't blame Fred for our no playoff run but at the end of the day it's a team sport and he was part of the team. I love that saying "if we lose with him we can certainly lose without him." The reality is that he didn't help us get to the playoffs.

2) I want to know which manager was going to give Fred the 80% pay cut? As a head coach that's definately the guy you want on your team. That's a no win so I don't blame them for not even going there.

3) We need the roster spot.

4) Get over the fact that Karlos and Bryce were better. Fred didn't earn the spot. End of story.

5) Sign Dareus.

[CoolBreeze]

Yes, keeping Jackson on as a 3rd string or practice squad RB would've tanked our season...

[Mahdi]

Fred's receiving skills out of the backfield and reliable blocking should have kept him here one more year.

Bryce is unreliable and Dixon is limited. Our top three should have been McCoy, Williams, Jackson. And very possible that Jackson would outplay them all.

[Topas]

I absolutely wrote this thread to defend a good decision. I love Jackson.

1) I don't blame Fred for our no playoff run but at the end of the day it's a team sport and he was part of the team. I love that saying "if we lose with him we can certainly lose without him." The reality is that he didn't help us get to the playoffs.

2) I want to know which manager was going to give Fred the 80% pay cut? As a head coach that's definately the guy you want on your team. That's a no win so I don't blame them for not even going there.

3) We need the roster spot.

4) Get over the fact that Karlos and Bryce were better. Fred didn't earn the spot. End of story.

5) Sign Dareus.

I think you bring some valid points. But no. 4 is insane. Ok, that is true in 2017 and probably in 2016. But no way in 2015.
If you are talking about the long-term view that is fine. or if you are talking about the injury risk, that is fine.
But production-wise !?!?! Are you kidding me?

[starrymessenger]

Fred's receiving skills out of the backfield and reliable blocking should have kept him here one more year.

Bryce is unreliable and Dixon is limited. Our top three should have been McCoy, Williams, Jackson. And very possible that Jackson would outplay them all.

I certainly agree that Fred can still play and have a role to play. But if he outperformed McCoy THAT would be a good reason to fire Whaley.
Also I sort of wondered all along how things were going to work out with McCoy and Fred in the same backfield, more specifically with Fred having to transition from the top dog to a role player. The Bills are hardly the same team without him than they are with him, in terms of team chemistry I mean. Maybe setting a new direction sometimes means breaking with what is perceived to be the past. That would never be the main reason for doing something like this but it might have been a consideration.

[GreedoII]

Yes, keeping Jackson on as a 3rd string or practice squad RB would've tanked our season...

why keep a roster spot for this??? be smart man..it's about winning

[SPG]

Whether you have good reasoning for backing Whaley's decision or not, using this thread title is a 110% pure troll job.

[cookie G]

You wanted Matt Cassel to start...

I'll consider the source.

[Jimkelly12203]

The move sucked. Whaley sucks. This thread sucks.

[GreedoII]

players get cut

[Uncle Jesse]

The problem with most Bills fans is they think with their hearts and not their brains. You can't make football decisions with your heart when you're a GM or coach.

[Victor7]

I absolutely wrote this thread to defend a good decision. I love Jackson.

1) I don't blame Fred for our no playoff run but at the end of the day it's a team sport and he was part of the team. I love that saying "if we lose with him we can certainly lose without him." The reality is that he didn't help us get to the playoffs.

53 players dress up for a game and you come up with this gem. Unreal. Stupid Fred why didn't you help us get to the playoffs !!


2) I want to know which manager was going to give Fred the 80% pay cut? As a head coach that's definately the guy you want on your team. That's a no win so I don't blame them for not even going there.

Fred was reportedly willing to take a paycut. The link is there for you to see. What exactly is wrong with retaining a valuable player at a lesser deal ? Nothing. Its a win for the front office.


3) We need the roster spot.
We do? For who ? Jordan Gay ? Thigpen/Easley? Bryce Brown ? or 2 fullbacks ?


4) Get over the fact that Karlos and Bryce were better. Fred didn't earn the spot. End of story.

Karlos was better .... in preseason. I like the kid but its a stretch to already call him better than Fred when he hasn't taken more than a dozen carries in pre season ball. Bryce Brown is not a better player. Period. That's not even debatable. Same for Boobie.


5) Sign Dareus.

Hell yeah sign him. Are Fred's 2.5 mill really the reason he's not signed ? No.

[Meathead]

they simply dont need freddie. and remember, i LOVEEEE freddie. this isnt real world. this isnt which karshashian has the biggest lip implants. this is the frozen emotional tundra of the NFL. there is no crying in the frozen tundra bc your tears will actually freeze to your face. so if you are upset with cutting freddie and your legs are frozen from all the accumulated tears that have turned your legs to solid ice dont come running to me

[SpikedLemonade]

It was time for Freddie to go.

I like Bryce Brown. The fumbling rep will be forgotten when he puts together a whole season without fumbling being a problem.

[Meathead]

sorry to break it to you but they are cutting brown next. soon as they find somebody they like better, which wont be long. dude carries the ball like goldilocks skipping to grandmas. hes gone

[Meathead]

You can't make football decisions with your heart when you're a GM or coach.

yes but as a fan you can definitely make them out your ass

[Victor7]

It was time for Freddie to go.

I like Bryce Brown. The fumbling rep will be forgotten when he puts together a whole season without fumbling being a problem.

I have a better shot at threewaying with 2 VS's models than this happening. His fumblitis continued in camp.

[HHURRICANE]

Whether you have good reasoning for backing Whaley's decision or not, using this thread title is a 110% pure troll job.

Honestly take your 14 posts and zero rep and go think up something original.

This is a statement a fact. Changing the culture means changing the people. It was a good move. I want to make the playoffs and I believe in Whaley, Rex and the Pegulas.

[TacklingDummy]

Action Jackson still getting all the hate.

Cutting Jackson was done so he didn't show up the $40 million dollar windbag like he did McGahee, Lynch, and Spiller.

[SPG]

Honestly take your 14 posts and zero rep and go think up something original.

This is a statement a fact. Changing the culture means changing the people. It was a good move. I want to make the playoffs and I believe in Whaley, Rex and the Pegulas.

Haha... ok. Bringing up post counts and internet message board rep. Now that's original! Original trolling.

[swiper]

I absolutely wrote this thread to defend a good decision. I love Jackson.

1) I don't blame Fred for our no playoff run but at the end of the day it's a team sport and he was part of the team. I love that saying "if we lose with him we can certainly lose without him." The reality is that he didn't help us get to the playoffs.

2) I want to know which manager was going to give Fred the 80% pay cut? As a head coach that's definately the guy you want on your team. That's a no win so I don't blame them for not even going there.

3) We need the roster spot.

4) Get over the fact that Karlos and Bryce were better. Fred didn't earn the spot. End of story.

5) Sign Dareus.

The only RB on the team better than Jackson is McCoy. This is the stupidity of Buffalo Bills fans. It's why the rest of the country laughs at you.

What should be done by a real GM:

Trade Dareus for a real QB.

[swiper]

Honestly take your 14 posts and zero rep and go think up something original.

This is a statement a fact. Changing the culture means changing the people. It was a good move. I want to make the playoffs and I believe in Whaley, Rex and the Pegulas.

Proof of your stupidity.

[Mr. Pink]

Since the premise of this thread is that good players from this playoff drought are pointless and shouldn't be here...Kyle Williams should be cut too, right?

I mean, get rid of all these losers from the past and cut ties to the entire 15 years of football hell!

Do you get behind that Hurricane or did you just post this whole thread to troll?

[justasportsfan]

I'm actually starting to believe the Fred Jackson homers would rather stay out of the playoffs.

I like what I saw out of Williams and Bryce Brown in preseason. They may eventually be great players but for now they are not proven. Those who think that going into a season with only 1 PROVEN rb who happens to be injured must love being the Pats' beeyotch.

That was a stupid post.

[justasportsfan]

Since the premise of this thread is that good players from this playoff drought are pointless and shouldn't be here...Kyle Williams should be cut too, right?

I mean, get rid of all these losers from the past and cut ties to the entire 15 years of football hell!

Do you get behind that Hurricane or did you just post this whole thread to troll?


HH doesn't want Dareus re-signed. Might as well cut Dareus and let Carpenter go since we haven't made playoffs with them either. Screw re-signing Bradham too. Jerry Hughes. Bum !!! We didn't make playoff since we signed him.

[User Manuel]

I not normally a Hurricane supporter, but he is absolutely right. The thing is he is clearly and significantly diminished from his slightly above average best, injury prone and a fumbler too. The reality is also that he has openly *****ed when he has lost playing time (remember CJ's breakout). Most importantly, if we get to a pint where he is necessary, he season is in the toilet. You win now in he NFL with star players surrounded by CHEAP, YOUNG productive talent. As you can see, that is not Fred.

BTW...pay Dareus




I'm actually starting to believe the Fred Jackson homers would rather stay out of the playoffs. Maybe we should bring Eric Moulds out of retirement, fire Rex, and bring back Marv.

I'm actually embarrassed right now. NEWS FLASH: we cut a guy that was set to make 2.5 million and Seattle wants to pay the same guy around $500,000. That's right folks, $500,000. The Bills were in a no win situation and I applaud Whaley for making a tough, football minded decision.

I'm sick and tired of losing good players like Peters, Lynch....that's right Marshawyn Lynch! Maybe a competent front office should have traded Fred for a 4th rounder instead of Lynch in 2010? I digress, anyway, the old regime and some of you fans liked over paying Schobel but were ok watching Peters walk out the door.

Congrats Whaley for having some gonads unlike the Jackson Homers. I like winning and personally our captain was here for 9 years of losing. Fred your welcome for us pulling you from Arena Football and NFL Europe and over paying you. Good luck with what has been an amazing life.

[HHURRICANE]

HH doesn't want Dareus re-signed. Might as well cut Dareus and let Carpenter go since we haven't made playoffs with them either. Screw re-signing Bradham too. Jerry Hughes. Bum !!! We didn't make playoff since we signed him.

The point of my thread is to PAY Dareus so not sure where you pulled that from. And BTW you do that by not paying for guys that should be making $500,000 a year. Dareus, Bradham, Glenn, are all guys that help us get to and stay in the playoffs for years to come. Fred Jackson is not that guy.

[justasportsfan]

The point of my thread is to PAY Dareus so not sure where you pulled that from. And BTW you do that by not paying for guys that should be making $500,000 a year. Dareus, Bradham, Glenn, are all guys that help us get to and stay in the playoffs for years to come. Fred Jackson is not that guy.
where did I pull it from? this....



Congrats Whaley for having some gonads unlike the Jackson Homers. I like winning and personally our captain was here for 9 years of losing. .
Dareus and co. were part of those 9 years. Duh!



Fred your welcome for us pulling you from Arena Football and NFL Europe and over paying you. Good luck with what has been an amazing life.

That Arena football player out played Lynch and Spiller while they were here. They were both 1st round picks. It's stupid for you to blame him for doing his best. Dumb post. We didn't overpay him. We overpaid Lynch and Spiller if anything.

[djjimkelly]

Fred was the league’s oldest running back. In three of the last four years, he did not play a full season due to injury and he dealt with a potentially nagging hamstring this preseason. His role was backup running back … period. No special teams contribution.'


just the facts

[Turf]

When you look at this club externally, you see a GM and an owner and coach trying to retool to be a champion. You see a world class defense, trouble at QB which they are addressing as well as they can. Then, you see a 34 year old HB, because they can't do any better.

[BillsImpossible]

How could anyone be, "Glad Jackson is gone!"

?

I agree with the decision, but to say you're glad to see him go is low.

[Edward Robinson]

Whaley should be fired. Jackson was willing to take a pay cut. Whaley makes the decision to keep the fumbler over Jackson. One more in a line of bad decisions by this GM.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/01/fred-jackson-says-doug-whaley-wasnt-honest/

No he got rid off the fumbler( Jackson) who over the last 3 years has a higher fumble rate 2.5% than the back that you consider the fumbler ( Brown) 2.0%

[Edward Robinson]

The only RB on the team better than Jackson is McCoy. This is the stupidity of Buffalo Bills fans. It's why the rest of the country laughs at you.

What should be done by a real GM:

Trade Dareus for a real QB.

And what QB would that be for. Im still waiting. Crickets

[GingerP]

I'm actually embarrassed right now. NEWS FLASH: we cut a guy that was set to make 2.5 million and Seattle wants to pay the same guy around $500,000. That's right folks, $500,000.

The NFL minimum for a player of Jackson's experience is $970K. They can't pay him less than that.

[BillsImpossible]

When Boobie Dixon and Fred Jackson went down with injuries, Karlos Williams got a chance to show the coaches what he can do and he impressed everyone beyond his 5th round draft pick expectations.

It's not a secret that the Bills have plans of backing up LeSean McCoy with Karlos Williams.

The kid earned his position. The coaches and Doug Whaley didn't hand him the backup job based on money.

Karlos Williams outplayed Boobie Dixon, Bryce Brown and Fred Jackson.

That's why he's going to be the Bills #2 running back this season.

[feldspar]

When Boobie Dixon and Fred Jackson went down with injuries, Karlos Williams got a chance to show the coaches what he can do and he impressed everyone beyond his 5th round draft pick expectations.

It's not a secret that the Bills have plans of backing up LeSean McCoy with Karlos Williams.

The kid earned his position. The coaches and Doug Whaley didn't hand him the backup job based on money.

Karlos Williams outplayed Boobie Dixon, Bryce Brown and Fred Jackson.

That's why he's going to be the Bills #2 running back this season.


Karlos Williams played in only the first preseason game and averaged 2.9 yards-per-carry in that game against the Panthers, not all against their first-team, either. He also had some kind of unexplained medical procedure done. He was hospitalized for some reason, as far as I understand. What does all that prove? I haven't seen or heard from him in weeks because of this mysterious medical thing. He hasn't been around. The other guys have real game experience, and I personally like Bryce Brown to be the #2 out of the gate.

I really don't know, but I'd really be surprised if he was the #2. I don't see how he earned it in any way, shape or form, though.

[justasportsfan]

When Boobie Dixon and Fred Jackson went down with injuries, Karlos Williams got a chance to show the coaches what he can do and he impressed everyone beyond his 5th round draft pick expectations.

It's not a secret that the Bills have plans of backing up LeSean McCoy with Karlos Williams.

The kid earned his position. The coaches and Doug Whaley didn't hand him the backup job based on money.

Karlos Williams outplayed Boobie Dixon, Bryce Brown and Fred Jackson.

That's why he's going to be the Bills #2 running back this season.

You are HOPING Karlos is able to do well in regular season based on preseason. Remember Rob Johnson? Based on what is PROVEN, this team is NOT better today than when we had Fjax.

Whaley is wishful thinking and it better work because Whaley is the most hated man in buffalo right now.