Cassel resigned!!!

[HHURRICANE]

Interesting.

[alohabillsfan]

Wonder if there is a trade coming soon ?

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[streetkings01]

Brought back at vet minimum.

[SeatownBillsFan21]

O'leary gone?

[Yasgur's Farm]

Brought back at vet minimum.I'm sure... Not worth a penny more.

[THRILLHO]

So we traded for him. Were any of the picks we gave contingent on playing time or being on the roster?

If the answer is yes or no, how does that affect things? Let's say a team makes a conditional pick trade "a fourth rounder if he plays under 50% of snaps or 3rd rounder if he plays over 50%." The player is then dropped and re-signed at a lower contract. Does that mean they only have to give up a fourth, even if he plays over 50%?

[ghz in pittsburgh]

When Simms is not signed into the practice squad, you know something is up. Just proves the people in the business knows a lot more than every Joe, heck even those who's supposed to be in the knows like the Sheffy guy.

If I have to guess, I'd the say Whaley put Cassel's value at vet minimum. Overdorf can't get Cassel to sign off on that before cut down day so they told him to find out himself in the market. Two day's later, Cassel agrees with the Bills.

[HHURRICANE]

Wonder if there is a trade coming soon ?

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Still thinking EJ could get traded.

[SpikedLemonade]

I never want to see Cassel be on the field this year.

[HHURRICANE]

I never want to see Cassel be on the field this year.

Just announced that he's the backup.

EJ is third string.

[Ed]

I had not interest in seeing Cassel be the starter and my issue with him as a backup was his price tag. Cutting him was the right move, but if he's re-signing for #3 qb money I'm ok with it.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Oh gawd. :ill:

[Night Train]

I'm supposed to be excited about this ?

[starrymessenger]

Still thinking EJ could get traded.

Great move by the Bills IMO. Outbid the Texans by agreeing Cassell could recoup most of his lost pay if he winds up having to play. The QB position group is much better off with him than without.
i don't think the Bills are looking to cut ties with EJ at the moment. I suspect Whaley still holds out hope for him. I think he's about as likely to get traded as Mettenberger and Glennon, who I think will remain with their current teams.

[bleve]

did he resign after he re-signed?

[Ed]

Oh lame, I just read that Rex has declared Cassel the #2 qb.

[Forward_Lateral]

Much better price tag

[HHURRICANE]

EJ as third string has to be demoralizing to him.

I really think he gets traded.

[djjimkelly]

this move sickens me

[HHURRICANE]

Oh lame, I just read that Rex has declared Cassel the #2 qb.

Yeah just said that above...changes everything.

[Turf]

Cassel the #2? Did EJ regress in practice?

[Mr. Pink]

Manuel got the shaft.

He performed the best of the three in preseason, watches Tyrod get the job over him, thinks he has the 2 sewn up when Cassel is released only to watch the team bring Cassel back and promote him to the 2.

It's not just a matter of thinking the team is gonna trade him, at this point I'd assume EJ himself wants to be traded. I mean put yourself in his situation, would you still wanna be here after the way the past month has gone down for him?

[starrymessenger]

Cassel the #2? Did EJ regress in practice?

EJ has looked very good at times in preseason but he hasn't yet shown that he can get the job done in real time. Big difference. I understand that Cassell is boring but he didn't play/practice badly. I suspect Roman can get the best out of him if needed. Depth chart makes sense to me.

[djjimkelly]

first thing that makes me question rex/roman. cassel is the epidemy of what i dont want as the bills qb

[Jimkelly12203]

did he resign after he re-signed?
:limpclap:

[sukie]

EJ has looked very good at times in preseason but he hasn't yet shown that he can get the job done in real time. Big difference. I understand that Cassell is boring but he didn't play/practice badly. I suspect Roman can get the best out of him if needed. Depth chart makes sense to me.

How many TD passes did Tyrod throw in PS? How about Cassel?

[Topas]

WHAT ?????

I mean I understand that they prefer Cassel to EJ. I agree with the posters that say they dont want to see him play. Me neither. But I also dont want to see EJ 'hospitality tent' Manuel play. So this makes sense.

But cutting him and re-signing him!??! Were they sure that he does not sign somewhere else for more money?
Or does that mean that Whaley dropped Cassel despite the wishes of the coaching staff. The Rex talked to the Pegulas and Kim kicked Whaley in the balls?

If this true, then there is an huge rift in the Bills organization.
Hopefully this is only reading tea leaves.

[BertSquirtgum]

Matt Cassel sucks

[Novacane]

They obviously have no faith in EJ.

[Homegrown]

Maybe he's the new kickoff "specialist" .....

[Meathead]

could also be somewhat of a political move if rexy had to twist some of the coaches arms to try ty first. now he brings back the guy they preferred so they feel more comfortable in case ty doesnt work out

its also insurance against disaster. its entirely possible cassel might go into a game immediately if ty gets hurt, but they might still turn to ej if they needed someone to start a bunch of games after that simply bc they feel ej is a more explosive option. so in the disaster situation of both black guys either hurt or ineffective, you at least got the steady safe boring white guy

[Yasgur's Farm]

Here's my take on his #2 status... I think the Bills simply want a vet prepared to step in in the event that the starter needs to come out of a game. I think EJ would be named starter if TT is out for an extended period of the season (1 or more games),and Cassel would still be#2.

[Yasgur's Farm]

could also be somewhat of a political move if rexy had to twist some of the coaches arms to try ty first. now he brings back the guy they preferred so they feel more comfortable in case ty doesnt work out

its also insurance against disaster. its entirely possible cassel might go into a game immediately if ty gets hurt, but they might still turn to ej if they needed someone to start a bunch of games after that simply bc they feel ej is a more explosive option. so in the disaster situation of both black guys either hurt or ineffective, you at least got the steady safe boring white guyBeat me to it MH.

[starrymessenger]

How many TD passes did Tyrod throw in PS? How about Cassel?
PS? Did you say PS?
Tyrod wasn't out to show that he could throw td passes. He was out there showing that he could make ALL the throws Roman's offence requires, on the run and, most importantly, from the pocket. And he did a creditable job doing exactly what it was the coaches doubtless wanted him to do. Cassell hardly saw any game action. The reason is simply that the Bills knew exactly what Matt Cassell can do and also what he can't.
The Bills have released Tanney from the PS. Means to me that EJ will see more reps and practice time than Cassell, which makes sense to me.
If EJ was consistently as good as his best preseason throws he'd be starting for the Bills or for some other team. While his showing was surprising (to me anyway) and encouraging it should be taken with a grain of salt.

[Skooby]

EJ will never see an NFL field again.

[Albany,n.y.]

WHAT ?????

I mean I understand that they prefer Cassel to EJ. I agree with the posters that say they dont want to see him play. Me neither. But I also dont want to see EJ 'hospitality tent' Manuel play. So this makes sense.

But cutting him and re-signing him!??! Were they sure that he does not sign somewhere else for more money?
Or does that mean that Whaley dropped Cassel despite the wishes of the coaching staff. The Rex talked to the Pegulas and Kim kicked Whaley in the balls?

If this true, then there is an huge rift in the Bills organization.
Hopefully this is only reading tea leaves.

No rift, no great risk. His contract made him unacceptable as a backup. At the new reduced rate, he's worth re-signing. If he had gone elsewhere the Bills would have called Matt Flynn or another veteran who isn't much different than Cassel. At $4+ million no rational team would have kept Cassel-especially with other vets available. Cassel was their 1st choice because he was in their camp and knew the system, but he was no means their only option.
You need to get different tea leaves.

[Dozerdog]

I think folks are really over- thinking this.

The 2nd/3rd stringers need to be "caretakers"- just hand the goddam ball off. I look back to "Tuel Time", Tavares Jackson, and Matt Flynn and shudder.

Now that his $$ is cut, bring him back - he's the most qualified backup out there right now.

[trapezeus]

the price is much better. all 3 qbs have issues. it's better to have more options.

i was rooting for EJ, but preseason stats don't impress me much. he still shows signs of inaccuracy. i don't know if you can trust him to be better than .500.
tyrod is still new...real action may be much harder for him and he's not built to take a beating. i didn't see him avoid hits well in the preseason.
Cassel is a dink and dunker and has a lot of turnovers...he also is not injury free.

you need 3 qbs for this team.

[Albany,n.y.]

Manuel got the shaft.

He performed the best of the three in preseason, watches Tyrod get the job over him, thinks he has the 2 sewn up when Cassel is released only to watch the team bring Cassel back and promote him to the 2.

It's not just a matter of thinking the team is gonna trade him, at this point I'd assume EJ himself wants to be traded. I mean put yourself in his situation, would you still wanna be here after the way the past month has gone down for him?

If I was getting paid what EJ is I'd gladly hold the clipboard & try to improve my game by listening to my coaches. I wouldn't want to be traded at this point and have to learn a totally new system, especially at this point in the season. EJ isn't a 10 year vet who can just come in & play like Orton did last year. He probably understands that going to a new team in September would hurt his career more than spending another season with the Bills. He also understands the economics of his contract that make a trade at this point bad for both teams.
EJ can't do anything but suck it up & either hope to be traded or work to impress next year. Nobody is trading for him & pay him his 1st round money when they can't use him for at least another few weeks and that's only if he can pick things up as quickly as a veteran like Orton did last season.
He didn't get the shaft & nobody is trading for him.

[Cleve]

At $900k it's a decent signing; he wasn't worth $5 million+. Good move by the Bills.

[Saratoga Slim]

At $900k it's a decent signing; he wasn't worth $5 million+. Good move by the Bills.

Fully agree. I mean c'mon. We need 3 QBs. Cassel at $4.5M is a bad decision. Cassel at the vet minimum is a great value. This was a smart move.

With the way Tyrod plays, he's an injury risk. If he misses any time, we're far better off having Cassel & Manuel available than Manuel + some vet that hasn't had any practice time.

[Saratoga Slim]

The only way to see this as a bad move is if you think Manuel deserves to be ahead of Cassel on the depth chart. The team has every reason to pick Manuel over Cassel. He's a first round pick that everyone would like to see work out, he's young with possible upside, and he's now slightly more expensive than Cassel. If they still rank Cassel ahead of EJ, then that tells you something about how they feel about his current performance.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I have to take objection to the thread title. Matt Cassel joining the Bills isn't worth one exclamation point, let alone three.



Manuel got the shaft.

He performed the best of the three in preseason, watches Tyrod get the job over him, thinks he has the 2 sewn up when Cassel is released only to watch the team bring Cassel back and promote him to the 2.

It's not just a matter of thinking the team is gonna trade him, at this point I'd assume EJ himself wants to be traded. I mean put yourself in his situation, would you still wanna be here after the way the past month has gone down for him?

Yeah, this is clearly the writing on the wall for him.

[Goobylal]

Looks like new coach, same old stupid ass thinking. If Cassel, he of the 30 TD's and 34 INT's (plus 11 lost fumbles) and 9-17 record the past 4 years goes in ahead of EJ if TT sucks or gets injured, I'm turning off the game.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

The only way to see this as a bad move is if you think Manuel deserves to be ahead of Cassel on the depth chart. The team has every reason to pick Manuel over Cassel. He's a first round pick that everyone would like to see work out, he's young with possible upside, and he's now slightly more expensive than Cassel. If they still rank Cassel ahead of EJ, then that tells you something about how they feel about his current performance.

The only thing that could hurt Manuel is his confidence, heck he just felt he earned the backup QB position and it was taken away.

However from a team perspective, I do see Cassel being the backup because the veteran experience. You just don't want a Jeff Tuel came in for Manuel like we had to two years ago.

It does matter, however, who is taking the scouting team reps. If we go by what we saw in the training camp, chances are Manuel may still be given that role which would help his development.

EJ's critical time would be next training camp where he needs to show from practice all the way to preseason games that he's ready. If he can't get to start in 2016, his 12 million salary for his last year would mean a certain cut.

[Victor7]

Cassel the #2? Did EJ regress in practice?

He never really progressed

He was better than before which isn't the same. But throughout the entire summer he was always ranked 3rd waaay behind TT and MC. Yes even after his "great" pre freaking season games.

This is a surprise to nobody but the EJ homer crowd.

[Night Train]

Cassel the #2? Did EJ regress in practice?

Obviously, they don't trust him. I like him as the #2 but they have spoken. He's done here.

If someone offers us a pick this week, deal him ( last year of contract )

[Turf]

Guys, who do we expect as a backup, Joe Montana? You can't find a starter in this league let alone a Frank Reich.

[sudzy]

I'm sure... Not worth a penny more.


Just announced that he's the backup.

EJ is third string.

What does that say about your boy EJ? He's behind a guy that's not worth a penny more then the veteran minimum?

[Yasgur's Farm]

Very short sighted on your part. At least the move breathed new life in you.

[TakingItuptheChin]

White Cassel is back, baby! He'll be our #1 QB behind these two black guys. Which is supposed to be just like the good old days.

[Meathead]

theres a bunch of different things that could be going on behind the scenes about why they named cassel the backup that have nothing to do with their interest in ej. by default they cant be confident in either ty or ej bc theyve never seen either guy actually do it. ej has had some nice games but the stankers are so bad they are a wash. both guys still have to prove themselves and without that i could see rexy and company wanting an insurance policy paid on their financial terms. i would guess they had to tell matt he was the backup to get him here, i mean they gave him the minimum for crying out loud, throw matty a bone. it would even make sense to let matt come in to the middle of a tough road game before ej, but i think if they wanted to prep ej a week as the designated starter they still would

whether its a good or bad move depends on how it plays out. if matt uses up a roster spot and doesnt hardly play then its a wasted spot even if it was super cheap financially. if both other guys get hurt or suck then its brilliant. plus they can now play it by ear a little and make moves later on, perhaps a trade or just outright cutting somebody most likely matt again

[Meathead]

White Cassel is back, baby! He'll be our #1 QB behind these two black guys. Which is supposed to be just like the good old days.

white cassel. when you have no other options, white cassel is always there. stays in one spot and gives you the runs afterwards. white cassel

[swiper]

Cassel the #2? Did EJ regress in practice?


Sal Capaccio @SalSports (https://twitter.com/SalSports)

Roman: Cassel best suited at this moment to be backup QB. But we feel confident in EJ. See where it goes down the road.

For all those "take that" posts when Manuel apparently was made 2nd string QB. The Bills didn't think he deserved that. It was all about getting Cassel to accept a more reasonable contract.

[swiper]

White Cassel is back, baby! He'll be our #1 QB behind these two black guys. Which is supposed to be just like the good old days.

Now it may be safe to call this a racist statement. LOL.

[sudzy]

Now it may be safe to call this a racist statement. LOL.

That's Joe. He hangs out on the Range when he's not driving around his souped up 4x4 with the confederate flag in the back.

[Buffalogic]

Nice move.

[casdhf]

Pinch duty goes to cassel with long term duty to EJ

[feldspar]

GREAT move by the Bills, for what it is.

Nobody thinks that this guy is Joe Montana.

We just need all the options we can muster. Seems like he's a real team player too, and that's not worth nothing.

[better days]

He never really progressed

He was better than before which isn't the same. But throughout the entire summer he was always ranked 3rd waaay behind TT and MC. Yes even after his "great" pre freaking season games.

This is a surprise to nobody but the EJ homer crowd.

Well, it should be obvious to all that EJ is a GAMER, not a practice player like Trent Edwards or Matt Cassel.

Cassel may have outplayed EJ in practice, but in GAMES, EJ was MUCH better than Cassel this preseason.

That said, I am happy the Bills resigned Cassel on the cheap, but I would prefer to see EJ in games before Cassel.

[swiper]

LOL. How many times did Cassel toss the ball into the stands, the PR tent, etc. again? Manuel sucks. And the Bills are telling so as they put him back in his rightful spot in the pecking order.

[better days]

LOL. How many times did Cassel toss the ball into the stands, the PR tent, etc. again? Manuel sucks. And the Bills are telling so as they put him back in his rightful spot in the pecking order.

I don't give a damn if EJ throws some terrible balls on ocassion.

He also has made some GREAT throws in GAMES this preseason.

Give me a throw into the tent in practice along with TD throws in games over 7 of 8 for 45 yards in games for ZERO points.

[Yasgur's Farm]

LOL. How many times did Cassel toss the ball into the stands, the PR tent, etc. again?Or in the end zone!
Big fat zero.

[swiper]

LOL. WE have a couple of math majors here. Suddenly 20 of 30 is better than 13 of 15. LOL. Going through life with blinders on.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Actually I am a math major... For real... And my math says EJ was the only 1 of these 3 to throw for a TD or 4. But I back TT and want to see what h does.

Cassel coming off the bench is probably best (safe)... But EJ with a week of reps is hands down better than Cassel IMO... Floor, ceiling or wall... However you wanna add t up.

[swiper]

LOL. You appear to lack at statistics. Give Cassel the same 30 reps as your flail-armed buddy. The Bills obviously do better math.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Yup... I seen that over the past 4 seasons.

[Mace]

In the thread when they cut him, I said I had a post prepared in case they re signed him. Wrote it down and everything just in case. Checking my notes, here it is :

Welcome back Matt. Dozen eggs, orange juice, bag of chicken, bread, some cheese, paper towels. Replace toilet fill valve, recharge drill and weed wacker batteries.

[Goobylal]

LOL. You appear to lack at statistics. Give Cassel the same 30 reps as your flail-armed buddy. The Bills obviously do better math.
Take a look at Cassel's career completion percentage. It's no different from EJ's.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Last 14 games played...
MC - 213 completions, 387 attempts, 55.0%, 2,479 yards, 14 TD's, 14 INT's, 75.41 PR
EJ - 256 completions, 437 attempts, 58.6%, 2,810 yards, 16 TD's, 12 INT's, 78.46 PR

[djjimkelly]

Actually I am a math major... For real... And my math says EJ was the only 1 of these 3 to throw for a TD or 4. But I back TT and want to see what h does.

Cassel coming off the bench is probably best (safe)... But EJ with a week of reps is hands down better than Cassel IMO... Floor, ceiling or wall... However you wanna add t up.

and i have a finance degree i guess its why we agree so much :)

[Goobylal]

Last 14 games played...
MC - 213 completions, 387 attempts, 55.0%, 2,479 yards, 14 TD's, 14 INT's, 75.41 PR
EJ - 256 completions, 437 attempts, 58.6%, 2,810 yards, 16 TD's, 12 INT's, 78.46 PR
Cassel's record the past 4 years: 9-17.

[thenry20]

did he resign after he re-signed?

Proof positive the public school system is going down the toilet.