CAN BILLS DEFENSE BE REALLY GOOD OR SPECIAL LIKE THE 85 BEARS/200 RAVENS???!!!

[emoulds80]

DISCUSS...

[BillsImpossible]

Rex Ryan coached those Ravens............

Tyrod Taylor is 100X better than Jim McMahon.

BIG TOPIC, can't blame the caps.

[Meathead]

about the same odds as gifting a second car to a schizophrenic hooker and having it go well

[BillsImpossible]

about the same odds as gifting a second car to a schizophrenic hooker and having it go well

In reverse speech this translates to: "And Tyrod Taylor will be the starting quarterback for the Buffalo Bills in 2015."

Meathead is correct.

[BillsImpossible]

I remember Richard Dent and Mike Singletary from the Bears '85 Super Bowl defense.

Rex's father, Buddy Ryan was the Bears Defensive Coordinator.

I was 5 years old.

Somebody please fill us young bucks in about the Bears '85 D compared to the Bills D of 2015.

[CoolBreeze]

Holding Andrew Luck to 14 points is not an easy thing to do. I think the Bills have the potential to have a great defense. Though I doubt it will end up being remembered like the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens defenses.

The big reason I believe for this is simply the rules are much different now then they were in 1985 or even 2000. The NFL rule changes have made it much harder for defenses to be that physical, especially in the secondary

[BillsImpossible]

Holding Andrew Luck to 14 points is not an easy thing to do. I think the Bills have the potential to have a great defense. Though I doubt it will end up being remembered like the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens defenses.

The big reason I believe for this is simply the rules are much different now then they were in 1985 or even 2000. The NFL rule changes have made it much harder for defenses to be that physical, especially in the secondary

Against Luck, Gilmore, Darby, Rambo, Williams and Butler had a great day.

12 passes defended from the Bills secondary. That is outstanding.

If the Bills win the Super Bowl, Donnie Henderson's secondary will be the reason why.

[Ginger Vitis]

Tyrod Taylor is 100X better than Jim McMahon.



dumbest thing you have ever said on this site

[BillsImpossible]

dumbest thing you have ever said on this site

I love you too, Ginger.

[Ginger Vitis]

Somebody please fill us young bucks in about the Bears '85 D compared to the Bills D of 2015.

The 85 bears had one of the best linebacking units of all time... The 85 bears DL and secondary isn't miles better than the 2015 bills DL and secondary but they do have a edge there. To compare the 2 defenses really isn't much of a comparioson the 85 bears defense is the greatest of all time. Its hilarious how you have gone absolutely bananas and cuckoo after only one game

[Mace]

I HAVE NO CLUE, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT.

[BillsImpossible]

The 85 bears had one of the best linebacking units of all time... The 85 bears DL and secondary isn't miles better than the 2015 bills DL and secondary but they do have a edge there. To compare the 2 defenses really isn't much of a comparioson the 85 bears defense is the greatest of all time. Its hilarious how you have gone absolutely bananas and cuckoo after only one game

Rex Ryan helped coach the 2000 Baltimore Ravens defense, one of the best NFL defenses of all-time.

Rex Ryan's dad coached the 1985 Bears.

I don't think that is, 'hilarious.'

It's interesting.

Buddy Ryan coached the greatest defense of all time, according to Ginger Vitis.

Hey Ginger, isn't it interesting that his son is the head coach of the Buffalo Bills today?

Rex Ryan just put Andrew Luck on ice.

I can understand if Bills fans are still numb after beating the Colts.

Our hands have been frozen for 15 years.

[emoulds80]

from a talent spot, our secondary and dline is just as good as the 2000 ravens and 85 bears... imo, our lbs are really good, but not that good. but either way, i really think the pats will be the true test. like the previous poster said, even if we end up having a great d, it probably wont go down that way as far as being remembered like that.... our lbs are outstanding tho and can do everything

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Holding Andrew Luck to 14 points is not an easy thing to do. I think the Bills have the potential to have a great defense. Though I doubt it will end up being remembered like the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens defenses.

The big reason I believe for this is simply the rules are much different now then they were in 1985 or even 2000. The NFL rule changes have made it much harder for defenses to be that physical, especially in the secondary

IMO, the 2008 Steelers and 2013 Seahawks were on par with those defenses given the rule changes.

You also have to consider how the schedule factors into it. Look at the godawful state of quarterbacks in the NFC in 1985 or the AFC in 2000 and compare it to the guys those teams actually played.

[HHURRICANE]

I was 19 in 1985.

The Bears were better than the 2000 thug Ravens.

The Bears were 1 game shy of a perfect season.

Best defense ever and the gold standard.

[GreedoII]

DISCUSS...

no....different league now. Go look at the QB's the Raven faced....

[better days]

Holding Andrew Luck to 14 points is not an easy thing to do. I think the Bills have the potential to have a great defense. Though I doubt it will end up being remembered like the 1985 Bears or 2000 Ravens defenses.

The big reason I believe for this is simply the rules are much different now then they were in 1985 or even 2000. The NFL rule changes have made it much harder for defenses to be that physical, especially in the secondary

The Bills not only held Luck & the Colts to 14 points, but the first Colts TD did not come until the end of the third qtr.

And the second Colts TD did not come until the end of the fourth qtr. The game was not as close as the score looks on paper.

And the Bills beat the Colts without Dareus, without Graham for all but one play & without Darby a good part of the game.

[Jimkelly12203]

Sure... If we can go back to the same rules of play that were in effect in 1985 we'd have a puncher's chance.

[better days]

IMO, the 2008 Steelers and 2013 Seahawks were on par with those defenses given the rule changes.

You also have to consider how the schedule factors into it. Look at the godawful state of quarterbacks in the NFC in 1985 or the AFC in 2000 and compare it to the guys those teams actually played.

I would add the Buccaneers Defense from 1997-2001 to that list as well.

[Strongman]

Since those defenses were from Super Bowl teams, I think we first have to win a Super Bowl before comparing ourselves to them. Just my 2¢.

[Zoneblitser]

Just one game and we are comparing ourselves to 85 bears. Ridiculous. We certainly could be that good but I'm not calling it this early.

[ParanoidAndroid]

Maybe... MAYBE as good as the Ravens but not the '85 Bears.

[Forward_Lateral]

I think it's way to early to be making such ludicrous comparisons

[better days]

I think it's way to early to be making such ludicrous comparisons

The fact it is much too soon to make that comparison is the only thing ludicrous about it.

I think by the end of the season, it will not seem so ludicrous.

[Mace]

The fact it is much too soon to make that comparison is the only thing ludicrous about it.

I think by the end of the season, it will not seem so ludicrous.

Ludicrously, that's ludicrous that you'd find it ludicrous to point out it won't be ludicrous, ludicrously.

[BillsImpossible]

It's not impossible.

To say that the Bills could have one of the best NFL defenses in history is not ludicrous, it's happening.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

How many HOF player you see in Bills D right now? Every great one that has a mark on history has HOF members. There is none on Bills D roster or playing at that level right now.

[BillsImpossible]

How many HOF player you see in Bills D right now? Every great one that has a mark on history has HOF members. There is none on Bills D roster or playing at that level right now.

Mario Williams is on track to make the Hall of Fame and he's entering his prime.

Marcell Dareus is on track too, but the road is longer.

If Jerry Hughes has another huge season, and follows it up with 5 or 6 more he's going to Canton.

The potential is there.

[BillsImpossible]

This is Rex Ryan's Father's Root Beer.

[Mace]

This is Rex Ryan's Father's Root Beer.

That's ludicrous.

[Ginger Vitis]

If Jerry Hughes has another huge season, and follows it up with 5 or 6 more he's going to Canton.



Please stop

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Mario Williams is on track to make the Hall of Fame and he's entering his prime.

Marcell Dareus is on track too, but the road is longer.

If Jerry Hughes has another huge season, and follows it up with 5 or 6 more he's going to Canton.

The potential is there.

I concur with Ginger. Please. Jerry Hughes? Mario Williams is 30 and entering his prime? Have you seen Bruce Smith play when he got to his 30? Personally I don't see the kind of "love of the game" and dedication required for someone to reach HOF level from Marcel. Bruce can be a pain and always uphappy with money. But the kind of dedication is what a HOF needs.

[emoulds80]

dareus is very very good. worth the pick, but if he lost 40 lbs he would be one of the greats. jmo

[Dozerdog]

It's not impossible.

To say that the Bills could have one of the best NFL defenses in history is not ludicrous, it's happening.

This isn't even the best defense in Bills History. The AFL Championship years produced a defense (in an offensive minded league) that even Vince Lombardi thought could beat his mid- 60's Packers. Let's get to the playoffs first.


That being said, what the Bills have done in the past 5-6 games vs Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Luck- has been remarkable.

[Forward_Lateral]

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[thenry20]

Only if we hold every team under 17 points the entire season, then maybe. Oh and BTW, we would have to win the Super Bowl!

[Ingtar33]

The 85 bears had one of the best linebacking units of all time... The 85 bears DL and secondary isn't miles better than the 2015 bills DL and secondary but they do have a edge there. To compare the 2 defenses really isn't much of a comparioson the 85 bears defense is the greatest of all time. Its hilarious how you have gone absolutely bananas and cuckoo after only one game

statistically speaking the '00 Ravens was actually better then the 85 bears in every category (passing yards, rushing yards, total yards, yards per play, and points) except for sacks.

[Ingtar33]

btw: In my mind only 4 defenses really stand out as "all time" great defenses. That 1985 bears defense was intense, the 1991 eagles were unbelievable as well, the 2000 Ravens and the 2008 Steelers. In order to match those defenses we'll need to be even better then we were against the colts. All of those defenses gave up significantly less then 300 yards per game.

[Topas]

So much for that.
How often did the 85' Bears give up 40 points. In one game, not in four games combined mind you?

[Ginger Vitis]

How often did the 85' Bears give up 40 points.

The most points the 85 bears gave up was 38 points against the Dolphins... On 2nd thought the 85 bears defense wasnt quite as dominant as I thought statistically..

One of the most underrated defenses of all time was the 76 steelers.. 8 probowlers and 5 shutouts in a 14 game season should be in evrybodies list of all time top defenses

[Topas]

Really, 38? I did not know that. So yes, maybe we are the 85 Bears... lol

[Mike]

I don't think this defense will be the best defense this season much less be historically great.

Right now, week 2, a bunch of teams are ahead of us.