Top 5 producing rookies doesn't include Eichel

[sahlensguy]

For all of his electrifying moments early in his rookie year, Eichel is beig outscored by at least 5 others in this rookie class. From what I've seen (very little mind you), I think Jack will be a stud when it counts - in the playoffs. His goals have rallied the team if they haven't come at big times (his 1st pro game, also his dad's birthday).

I've seen little of the Sabres ands even less of the rest. So with that said, if you had a do over, AND the 1st pick of the draft, who would you pick? And why?

http://m.thn.com/blog/oilers-mcdavid-headlines-impressive-rookie-crop/

[OpIv37]

No one in their right mind would have passed over McDavid as the #1 pick at the time of the draft and a ~12 game sample size shouldn't change that.

If I'm at #2 I'm still picking Eichel. Domi was drafted in 13, Elhers and Larkin in 14, so they all have more professional experience than Eichel and are presumably older at an age where 1-2 years makes a huge difference.

The Blackhawks and the Wings are much more talented up front than we are, and we've had a top 6 forward miss a lot of games already (Kane). All of these things are factors as to why Eichel isn't a top 5 rookie yet, and that's why it's ridiculous to make this list so early. Give it time- the truth will come out in a larger sample size.

[YardRat]

Four of the five mentioned were drafted last year, or the year before, with one actually a free agent.

I'll stick with Jack.

[sahlensguy]

No one in their right mind would have passed over McDavid as the #1 pick at the time of the draft and a ~12 game sample size shouldn't change that.

If I'm at #2 I'm still picking Eichel. Domi was drafted in 13, Elhers and Larkin in 14, so they all have more professional experience than Eichel and are presumably older at an age where 1-2 years makes a huge difference.

The Blackhawks and the Wings are much more talented up front than we are, and we've had a top 6 forward miss a lot of games already (Kane). All of these things are factors as to why Eichel isn't a top 5 rookie yet, and that's why it's ridiculous to make this list so early. Give it time- the truth will come out in a larger sample size.

Thanks for the info, but spare me the lecture.

[JATMtheJATM]

i keep droning away on the fact that the points will come for eichel. i mean, hes not out there struggling like samson did in his 9 game stint last year. eichel is dynamic out there, and he is a factor every shift. 4 goals in 12 games pans out to 27 goals over the course of a season (if pace holds, of course. im just using the pace for reference) which is a really good number. the assists will come, but the kid is a dynamo. the sabres still have a rather weak offense outside oreilly and is wildly unpredictable.

another top flight prospect that comes to mind is steven stamkos. his rookie year, his first half, he looked out of place and the production wasnt there. but the second half of the year, the light came on, and finished 23-23=46... not bad. i think, production wise, youll see the same from eichel. hes close, and its fun to watch. the points are coming.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

maybe if his linemates would score he would have more assists? As for goals, he's close to the top - tied for 2nd if I am not smoking hashish

[MikeInRoch]

Thanks for the info, but spare me the lecture.

Maybe he just thinks that it's ludicrous to judge this after 12 freaking games.

[sahlensguy]

I'm confident the goals will come. His shot is lethal and he's delivered under pressure. Perhaps it won't be for a few months or even next year in a goal scoring way. Goals from McDavid that I've seen, seem to be of the garden, chip in variety. Eichel's on the other hand, have been on the end of individual effort and skill that has beaten the net minder one on one, unobstructed, in extraordinary fashion. I think he's got playoff skill written all over him.

[sahlensguy]

Maybe he just thinks that it's ludicrous to judge this after 12 freaking games.

Yeah, that's pretty much what it said.

[SpikedLemonade]

Anyone want to have the same discussion for Samson but perhaps go Top 20 deep?

[coastal]

Anyone want to have the same discussion for Samson but perhaps go Top 20 deep?both Eichel and Samson are being used incorrectly.

[JATMtheJATM]

Anyone want to have the same discussion for Samson but perhaps go Top 20 deep?

I know you like bashing reinhart, but considering he's playing well, and scored the GWG last night, you just look silly at this point.

[gebobs]

Maybe he just thinks that it's ludicrous to judge this after 12 freaking games.

Especially considering how bloody obvious it is what a generational talent he is.

At this point, I think Eichel at #2 is still the pick without any reservation. Heck, as far as I can tell, only five draftees have NHL games under their belt: McOiler, Ike, Hanifin (CAR), Sprong (PIT), and Rantanan (COL).

[gebobs]

Anyone want to have the same discussion for Samson but perhaps go Top 20 deep?
Sure, who other than Pastrnak would you say is performing at a level above Reinhart? Your move.

[JATMtheJATM]

Sure, who other than Pastrnak would you say is performing at a level above Reinhart? Your move.

Pastrnak is on another level, hookers wise.

[SpikedLemonade]

Pastrnak is on another level, hookers wise.

As long as he keeps playing great and improving, I could not care if screws goats.

[swiper]

both Eichel and Samson are being used incorrectly.

You speak as if they were your wife's vibrators.

[JATMtheJATM]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analytics-compare-the-starts-of-mcdavid-eichel-and-domi/

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

both Eichel and Samson are being used incorrectly.

Samson is a Herkimer diamond.

[sahlensguy]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/analytics-compare-the-starts-of-mcdavid-eichel-and-domi/

I saw that. Basically as of now, Eichel has the more well rounded game but McDavid, at least offensively, does more (scoring chances) with less (puck time).

[gebobs]

I saw that. Basically as of now, Eichel has the more well rounded game but McDavid, at least offensively, does more (scoring chances) with less (puck time).

Anyone watching Eichel should be able to see how amazing he is. As far as puck handling goes, I can't remember a Sabres player with that much skill in ages. He's still green in his own end, as we have seen at times, but that's to be expected. I don't think anyone would have thought he was going to be this complete so soon.

[sahlensguy]

Anyone watching Eichel should be able to see how amazing he is. As far as puck handling goes, I can't remember a Sabres player with that much skill in ages. He's still green in his own end, as we have seen at times, but that's to be expected. I don't think anyone would have thought he was going to be this complete so soon.

Cool to hear someone say it. Didn't know if what I was reading was the McDavid hype train in full motion.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Anyone watching Eichel should be able to see how amazing he is. As far as puck handling goes, I can't remember a Sabres player with that much skill in ages. He's still green in his own end, as we have seen at times, but that's to be expected. I don't think anyone would have thought he was going to be this complete so soon.

What's funny is to watch the d-men on the opposing team start to watch instead of play. He reminds me of Ramsay and Perreault as far as puck handling.

[OpIv37]

What's funny is to watch the d-men on the opposing team start to watch instead of play. He reminds me of Ramsay and Perreault as far as puck handling.

****ing Ovechkin has a **** ton of goals against us for the same ****ing reason.

[JATMtheJATM]

As long as he keeps playing great and improving, I could not care if screws goats.

Same stat line as reinhart this season. Hmmm

[SpikedLemonade]

Same stat line as reinhart this season. Hmmm

Watch the games and you will see the difference.

[JATMtheJATM]

Watch the games and you will see the difference.

Yes, I've been more impressed with reinhart. Pastrnak must be spending too much time looking for sensual massages. Good thing he's injured. More time for hookers.

[gebobs]

What's funny is to watch the d-men on the opposing team start to watch instead of play. He reminds me of Ramsay and Perreault as far as puck handling.

Craig Ramsay?

[swiper]

Well he's not likely talking about Mike Ramsey. Who was quietly a very solid defender.

[gebobs]

Well he's not likely talking about Mike Ramsey. Who was quietly a very solid defender.

I can't believe he was talking about Craig Ramsay either who was a checking forward/penalty kill specialist with killer sideburns.

http://img.comc.com/i/Hockey/1974-75/O-Pee-Chee/305/Craig-Ramsay.jpg?id=a5b378a7-a9ab-48cf-9ad0-178953c2e35b&size=biggerthumb

I can see comparisons to Perreault, but Rammer? No.

[coastal]

I can't believe he was talking about Craig Ramsay either who was a checking forward/penalty kill specialist with killer sideburns.

http://img.comc.com/i/Hockey/1974-75/O-Pee-Chee/305/Craig-Ramsay.jpg?id=a5b378a7-a9ab-48cf-9ad0-178953c2e35b&size=biggerthumb



I can see comparisons to Perreault, but Rammer? No.no kidding.

ramsat played with a straight blade.

[chernobylwraiths]

Craig Ramsay was my favorite Sabre when I was growing up. No flash and all work. Still scored too.

but horrible comparison to Eichel unless it is because of Eichel's work ethic.

[Novacane]

Is this thread a joke?

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

I can't believe he was talking about Craig Ramsay either who was a checking forward/penalty kill specialist with killer sideburns.

http://img.comc.com/i/Hockey/1974-75/O-Pee-Chee/305/Craig-Ramsay.jpg?id=a5b378a7-a9ab-48cf-9ad0-178953c2e35b&size=biggerthumb

I can see comparisons to Perreault, but Rammer? No.

I was talking about Craig Ramsay. Specifically, his PK skating prowess - he was always able to maintain puck control and just skate around, burning time. Eichel's skating reminds me of that. Plus, Eichel's sideburns are massive.

[SpikedLemonade]

Yes, I've been more impressed with reinhart.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl5qV9lsDzQ

[JATMtheJATM]

Neat. I guess?

[swiper]

no kidding.

ramsat played with a straight blade.


LOL. That he did.

[JATMtheJATM]

7 points in 14 games. Comes out to 41 over a full season. Not great, but he's beginning to produce more.

[Novacane]

He's on a 30 goal pace. The assists will come. He'll have between 50 and 60 points right where guys like Stamkos and Tavares were their rookie seasons. Some people are so fickle.

[Crisis]

If any of his line mates could bury the wide open nets he constantly sets them up with he'd be right up there.

[JATMtheJATM]

He's on a 30 goal pace. The assists will come. He'll have between 50 and 60 points right where guys like Stamkos and Tavares were their rookie seasons. Some people are so fickle.

Stamkos had 46 points. His struggles early on were well documented

[MikeInRoch]

Well, it's OBVIOUS now that no one should have taken McDavid! He's gonna be out for months!

[Mr. Pink]

Right now, I'd say that Max Domi is the standard among rookies. But it's still early.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Well, it's OBVIOUS now that no one should have taken McDavid! He's gonna be out for months!

McBusted

[gebobs]

Right now, I'd say that Max Domi is the standard among rookies. But it's still early.

For sure. Two more last night.

But in two years, if Eichel isn't at Domi's level, I will eat my old Victoriaville.

[swiper]

It's better with a little cool whip on the side.

[Mr. Pink]

For sure. Two more last night.

But in two years, if Eichel isn't at Domi's level, I will eat my old Victoriaville.

That guy just has some silky smooth moves with the puck and great instincts.

He does also have the luxury of 4 seasons of OHL hockey under his belt though.

[POTLAND PSILBYLO]

Eichel Tower

[BertSquirtgum]

maybe if his linemates would score he would have more assists? As for goals, he's close to the top - tied for 2nd if I am not smoking hashish

Does that mean you were at the time of this post?