Kyle Williams 50/50 to return this season

[Meathead]

DT Kyle Williams could miss rest of season

Bills defensive tackle Kyle Williams could miss the remainder of the season after suffering a setback in his recovery from a left knee injury, Bills coach Rex Ryan told reporters Saturday.

Williams, a four-time Pro Bowl selection, sprained his PCL when a teammate rolled onto his left leg in Buffalo's loss to Cincinnati on Oct. 18. He's been ruled out for Monday night's matchup against the undefeated Patriots (9-0) after missing the last three games. Ryan said there is a 50-50 chance the veteran will be sidelined the rest of the season.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4661739-kyle-williams-bills-injury-return-knee-timetable-status

[YardRat]

If he doesn't return this year, than it's probably 95%-5% that we've seen Kyle play his last game in a Bills uniform.

[Meathead]

sadly thats what i was thinking too. money to pay the younger studs gotta come from somewhere

[Mace]

Could tell when I saw the way his knee moved when he was hit it wasn't going to be good.

I don't know if he's here next year or not, have a feeling Ryan is going to trash some things and think to rebuild it. Also have a feeling we're going to end up with a solid offense in the next couple years and the defense is going to blow enough to eventually cost Rex his job.

[Meathead]

huh. i dont think rex will have much problem fielding a good defense. maybe not top five like he blew up his own ass but still pretty good. that is unless they manage to screw up retaining their own fas but that appears unlikely considering a bunch of them are already locked up. even just having gilmore and darby would give him a big advantage to start with, very deep safety rotation with small black williams at the top who is locked up long term, and marcell/hughes/bryant at a minimum retained on the dline. yeah i cant see his defense being what gets him fired but who knows

[Night Train]

If he doesn't return this year, than it's probably 95%-5% that we've seen Kyle play his last game in a Bills uniform.

Yup. After a coach finishes his first season, the roster usually gets a healthy turnover.

[Mace]

huh. i dont think rex will have much problem fielding a good defense. maybe not top five like he blew up his own ass but still pretty good. that is unless they manage to screw up retaining their own fas but that appears unlikely considering a bunch of them are already locked up. even just having gilmore and darby would give him a big advantage to start with, very deep safety rotation with small black williams at the top who is locked up long term, and marcell/hughes/bryant at a minimum retained on the dline. yeah i cant see his defense being what gets him fired but who knows

I think he'll have trouble and I'll tell you why I think so. He's inflexible, he doesn't adapt. It's a dynamic game, and he's not dynamic besides personality. When Pettine was here and ran his version of the Ryan, it looked more aggressive and had a scarier rush. Why ? Because Pettine adapted parts of it. Good teams, good coaches and good qb's have the book on it, it's predictable and they'll beat it like a drum. Ryan flavored or influenced D's are 13th, 16th, 29th and 32nd.

It could survive if there was any flexibility, but the Ryan defensive style as a cookie cutter build is in decline just like the Tampa-2 was after teams figured how to beat it.

Marrone, Hackett and Orton were able to lay 81 points on him last year and he looked helpless. Why ? Because he was, he didn't know how to change anything from the 1st game to the second against Marrone/Hackett/Orton.

It's just my opinion, I can respect if people disagree, I'd be delighted to be proven wrong, but I don't think Rex Ryan is learning, growing and evolving any.

[Yasgur's Farm]

I edited the title for you Meathead...

[Meathead]

why?

thats not cool. i dont approve of having my posts edited. please change it back

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[swiper]

Can you edit his avatar too?

[Mace]

Can you edit his avatar too?

Dunno, I think he's got a great one.

[kingJofNYC]

For all the talk about our DL, we have zero depth, no one has stepped up. Mario older and on the backside, Kyle older, we have two young pieces on DL, that's it. Have to fill the cupboard this year, time to draft some DL.

[YardRat]

For all the talk about our DL, we have zero depth, no one has stepped up. Mario older and on the backside, Kyle older, we have two young pieces on DL, that's it. Have to fill the cupboard this year, time to draft some DL.

It isn't the talent that's a problem, it's the match-up of skillset with scheme. Bryant, Charles and Carrington are decent depth and we've got, literally, four Pro Bowl-caliber linemen when they are used as such. But, yes...with Rex here the roster for the front seven is going to have to be completely re-tooled.

[kingJofNYC]

But a few posts ago you were talking about Kyle possibly playing his last game in a Bills uni, so we don't have 4 pro bowl level DL if the possibility exists that one gets cut. Mario has to restructure, or he's getting the boot as well.

I don't agree with the depth, I haven't seen anything from Charles, Bryant or Carrington this season. Need to upgrade the talent long term.

[Mace]

But a few posts ago you were talking about Kyle possibly playing his last game in a Bills uni, so we don't have 4 pro bowl level DL if the possibility exists that one gets cut. Mario has to restructure, or he's getting the boot as well.

I don't agree with the depth, I haven't seen anything from Charles, Bryant or Carrington this season. Need to upgrade the talent long term.

Gonna take a while, instead of using what was available magnificently. But that's what an innovator does. Ryan thinks he is, compares himself with them and calls himself one.

Nah. So well it will take a couple years to rebuild a D that didn't need rebuilding, and we'll end up with Ryan players when he gets fired, so we have to do it again after.

Woeful.

[YardRat]

But a few posts ago you were talking about Kyle possibly playing his last game in a Bills uni, so we don't have 4 pro bowl level DL if the possibility exists that one gets cut.

Kyle is older...he is hurt...and he's a bad fit for Rex's scheme. He is nearing the end of his career, but unlike being able to go on his own terms (most likely still being somewhat effective) like he might have anyway if Schwartz had stayed, he's most likely going to be shown the door. I agree, with these players in this system the only one capable of playing at a Pro Bowl level is Dareus, Mario and Hughes are being wasted.


Mario has to restructure, or he's getting the boot as well.

Yes. Mario probably was going to have to re-structure regardless, but under Schwartz there would have been no threat of getting booted.


I don't agree with the depth, I haven't seen anything from Charles, Bryant or Carrington this season. Need to upgrade the talent long term.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Two of the three will probably stick next season because they can play in the system, and the third will probably be around as a starter.

[kingJofNYC]

I think 2 of the 3 will stick around because they're cost controlled, cheap fill ins. If they're starting, we're in trouble. Without Kyle Williams we're in trouble. Rex's system is very similar to Mike P's, these guys put up probowl numbers with Mike. Jerry Hughes was the most efficient pass rusher in the league under Mike P, he's just being used more now so it exposes him, not just a 3rd down pass rusher. Mario can't even play the run at this point, which is sad, teams run right at him.

Our LBs are problem too, they aren't cut to play in this D. Pats will abuse our LBs all game tomorrow, going to be brutal to watch.

Edit: With regards to Mario, he feasts on scrubs, just look at what he does against Miami. Let me know when he's beaten Volmer for a sack, don't think he has. Mario's numbers are inflated, if you look at his pass rush productivity, not good.

[YardRat]

Kyle's not a good fit in this system, he's undersized for the interior line positions.
Hughes didn't even start under Pettine, Lawson did. Jerry was basically a pass-rushing specialist.
Both Mario and Hughes, with the increased number of checks and responsibilities expected by Ryan, are being misused. In all honesty when the team decided on Ryan and his defense, Hughes probably shouldn't have been re-signed.
Carrington was a very effective starter for Pettine at DE for the first couple of games before he got injured.

Yes, unfortunately, the entire front seven needs to be re-tooled. Instead of maintaining a dominant defense that was built and taking a step forward, they chose to hire somebody that was going to move the defense two steps back. They've re-wound the clock back to the Pettine days, when it was obvious we needed a true NT and another dominant Dareus-type end, plus LBers that are multi-faceted with their skill sets. More unfortunate probably, as Mace has been pointing out for a couple of weeks now, even if we did get all of the right pieces to plug in the defense will most likely not be able to achieve the same status as they got to under Schwartz because the league's offenses have caught up to Ryan's defense and apparently he doesn't have the ability to adjust. The game is passing him by...he may not be as out-of-touch as Wannstadt was, but he's definitely on that path.

[cookie G]

I think 2 of the 3 will stick around because they're cost controlled, cheap fill ins. If they're starting, we're in trouble. Without Kyle Williams we're in trouble. Rex's system is very similar to Mike P's, these guys put up probowl numbers with Mike. Jerry Hughes was the most efficient pass rusher in the league under Mike P, he's just being used more now so it exposes him, not just a 3rd down pass rusher. Mario can't even play the run at this point, which is sad, teams run right at him.

Our LBs are problem too, they aren't cut to play in this D. Pats will abuse our LBs all game tomorrow, going to be brutal to watch.

Edit: With regards to Mario, he feasts on scrubs, just look at what he does against Miami. Let me know when he's beaten Volmer for a sack, don't think he has. Mario's numbers are inflated, if you look at his pass rush productivity, not good.

Its as if people hadn't watched this front 7 for the past 2 years, pre-Rex.

Unbelievable that someone could watch a team lead the league in sacks 2 separate years, a top 5 pass defense for 2 consecutive years...

...and in a matter of 9 games, say that 5 of the front 7 now need to be replaced.

If there is anyone on this team that is showing himself to be past his prime, its Rex. Mace has been nailing the assessment of him.

He's been living off a legacy of the Ravens and the 2010 Jets for 5 years now.

He's showing himself to be far too full of himself, far too inflexible, far too disinterested in determining what works and what doesn't work. Instead, he stays in his comfort zone, whether its working or not.

Coaches who live off their own hype and believe their "system" is the only system can coach themselves out of the league, i.e. Shanahan. Those who are more results driven, such as Dick LeBeau, move on to another team and turn a defense around. Tennessee went from a bottom 5 defense last year to a top 5 defense this year as a "consultant". (Quick, name 3 players on the Titans D)


Does Rex have the ability to discover his own fountain of youth and turn it around? Yes.

Will he? I have serious doubts.

This might be his last chance to show something..or he might go the way of his brother.

[Ed]

Kyle just got an extension that keeps him in Buffalo through 2017. I don't think they would have added another year to his deal if they thought he was a bad fit or might be a cap casualty after this season. I've only ever gotten the impression that the Bills want Kyle to finish his career here.

[kingJofNYC]

Its as if people hadn't watched this front 7 for the past 2 years, pre-Rex.

Unbelievable that someone could watch a team lead the league in sacks 2 separate years, a top 5 pass defense for 2 consecutive years...

...and in a matter of 9 games, say that 5 of the front 7 now need to be replaced.

If there is anyone on this team that is showing himself to be past his prime, its Rex. Mace has been nailing the assessment of him.

He's been living off a legacy of the Ravens and the 2010 Jets for 5 years now.

He's showing himself to be far too full of himself, far too inflexible, far too disinterested in determining what works and what doesn't work. Instead, he stays in his comfort zone, whether its working or not.

Coaches who live off their own hype and believe their "system" is the only system can coach themselves out of the league, i.e. Shanahan. Those who are more results driven, such as Dick LeBeau, move on to another team and turn a defense around. Tennessee went from a bottom 5 defense last year to a top 5 defense this year as a "consultant". (Quick, name 3 players on the Titans D)


Does Rex have the ability to discover his own fountain of youth and turn it around? Yes.

Will he? I have serious doubts.

This might be his last chance to show something..or he might go the way of his brother.

I'm actually not the one who started the convo about replacing our DL. Yard Rat brought Kyle being dumped, I think Kyle when healthy is a good player for us, but he is getting older and we need to add depth. I think he fits the system fine, just have him 3 tech in pass rush situations and we're good. It's not like Rex uses some strict base 3-4, unders overs bears, it's all there. My concern is depth, that's all. We have nothing behind Mario/Hughes and Dareus/Kyle, I don't like the DL depth, I've mentioned this repeatedly. Mario I'm not a huge fan of, never was to be honest, and he needs to take a pay cut going forward.

Again, my complaints are depth related, we need to add guys via the draft, when was the last time we took a DL in the draft? I think all these guys can fit, I think our LBs are a problem, and our DL depth is most certainly a problem.

These guys played well under Pettine, it's the same system, so I'm not sure what to say at this point. Something's not right, maybe it's too complex, but Pettine had no problem getting these guys to play. Hughes broke out under Pettine, and he's still putting in work, just doesn't have the sack numbers.