Schwartz vs Rexy

[justasportsfan]

Maybe I should wait til end of the year but why bother? Next few games are garbage games IMO. Sal said the team pretty much knew/felt their season is over . I wouldn't have cared if Dareus and co. numbers went down significantly if the entire defensive unit was top of the league due to the scheme. DL and linebackers were playmakers last year.

Almost everything is down across the board. Maybe in Rex's 2nd season, the D will be ALMOST just as good as Schwartz's first season as DC.

Sad thing is we're stuck with Rex and Schwartz will most like be snagged by someone next season.




Jerry Hughes

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 13 13 41 30 11 4.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2
2014 Buffalo Bills 16 16 53 36 17 10.0 0 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 3

Dareus

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 12 12 43 32 11 2.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2014 Buffalo Bills 15 15 49 36 13 10.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1


Mario WIlliams
G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 12 12 16 13 3 4.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2014 Buffalo Bills 16 16 42 36 6 14.5 -- 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2

Nigel Bradham

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 11 11 59 42 17 1.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2014 Buffalo Bills 14 14 104 66 38 2.5 -- 6 1 0 0.0 0 0 2

Preston Brown

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 13 13 98 56 42 0.0 0 4 2 46 23.0 43T 1 1
2014 Buffalo Bills 16 14 109 66 43 0.0 -- 2 1 0 0.0 0 0 0



Bills Total D -

2014 4th
2015 15th


Run D

2014 11th
2015 15th


Pass D

2014 3rd
2015 23rd


3rd DOWN Defense

2014 1st
2015 17th

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OH and the jets D is better all across the board

[Victor7]

Thanks for the research. Although I gotta tell you it wasn't really necessary. I don't think there is ONE person on the face of the earth (maybe Rex's dad) who will disagree that Rex ruined these guys.

We've all been saying it all season long. We went from elite to mediocre. From sack artistry to sackless, from being able to produce turnovers to watching teams convert 3rd down after 3rd down. From feeling confident o feeling angry and disgusted.

What he did to our defense alone is grounds for termination. Sadly TPegs sunk so much money on him that I just don't see it happening.

[GreedoII]

Maybe I should wait til end of the year but why bother? Next few games are garbage games IMO. Sal said the team pretty much knew/felt their season is over . I wouldn't have cared if Dareus and co. numbers went down significantly if the entire defensive unit was top of the league due to the scheme. DL and linebackers were playmakers last year.

Almost everything is down across the board. Maybe in Rex's 2nd season, the D will be ALMOST just as good as Schwartz's first season as DC.




Sad thing is we're stuck with Rex and Schwartz will most like be snagged by someone next season.




Jerry Hughes

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 13 13 41 30 11 4.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2
2014 Buffalo Bills 16 16 53 36 17 10.0 0 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 3

Dareus

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 12 12 43 32 11 2.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2014 Buffalo Bills 15 15 49 36 13 10.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1


Mario WIlliams
G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 12 12 16 13 3 4.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2014 Buffalo Bills 16 16 42 36 6 14.5 -- 2 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2

Nigel Bradham

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 11 11 59 42 17 1.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2014 Buffalo Bills 14 14 104 66 38 2.5 -- 6 1 0 0.0 0 0 2

Preston Brown

G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF
2015 Buffalo Bills 13 13 98 56 42 0.0 0 4 2 46 23.0 43T 1 1
2014 Buffalo Bills 16 14 109 66 43 0.0 -- 2 1 0 0.0 0 0 0



Bills Total D -

2014 4th
2015 15th


Run D

2014 11th
2015 15th


Pass D

2014 3rd
2015 23rd


3rd DOWN Defense

2014 1st
2015 17th

- - - Updated - - -

OH and the jets D is better all across the board


one thing that is exactly the same...getting smoked by NE

[Mr. Pink]

Preston Brown is the only one listed who has played better this year.

Everyone else is significantly worse and some still like to point at Mario as the problem on the DLine yet the entire DLine is a joke when compared to last year.

[justasportsfan]

Preston Brown is the only one listed who has played better this year.

Everyone else is significantly worse and some still like to point at Mario as the problem on the DLine yet the entire DLine is a joke when compared to last year.

Brown is playing better because he is made to tackle when the DL is made to retreat and cover?

[Mr. Pink]

Brown is playing better because he is made to tackle when the DL is made to retreat and cover?

That very well could be it but he's also seeing more hands on him from the o-line near the LOS when the D-line is backing out too.

Still don't understand why we bothered extending both Dareus and Hughes for big money in the offseason, actually Dareus was right at the start of the regular season, when the scheme the coach employs makes both of them completely useless. Could have saved that money to put elsewhere into the team this coming offseason while paying other guys 4-5 million dollars to do the same thing.

[justasportsfan]

Still don't understand why we bothered extending both Dareus and Hughes for big money in the offseason, actually Dareus was right at the start of the regular season, when the scheme the coach employs makes both of them completely useless. Could have saved that money to put elsewhere into the team this coming offseason while paying other guys 4-5 million dollars to do the same thing.

EXACTLY! Could have used the money to bring in probowl OL . Making Dareus drop back is like telling Brady to hand the ball off.

[YardRat]

I've got a thread bookmarked that has the rankings for eleven major defensive categories in which Schwart's D finished in the top 10 in ten of them (I believe the run D at 11 was the only one...still damn close). I was going to wait another week or two to pull it up, but maybe I'll post it (with a comparison) sooner.

[Night Train]

Rex has lost me but how do we know Schwartz would have succeeded as a HC here ?

So many good coordinators are not cut out for the top job and he really lost his team in Detroit. Plus we'll never know who his OC selection would have been. Taylor wouldn't have been here, I'm guessing and we had nothing at QB. Cassel has been a titanic failure.

Hindsight is always right but rarely impressive.

Interesting off-season coming up. Coaches usually make minor changes before their first year and major changes before the second. I see many cap cuts and lots of new faces. How it works out will be unknown until next fall and all the yelling in the world won't change that.

Soldier on.

[YardRat]

Rex has lost me but how do we know Schwartz would have succeeded as a HC here ?

So many good coordinators are not cut out for the top job and he really lost his team in Detroit. Plus we'll never know who his OC selection would have been. Taylor wouldn't have been here, I'm guessing and we had nothing at QB. Cassel has been a titanic failure.

Hindsight is always right but rarely impressive.

Interesting off-season coming up. Coaches usually make minor changes before their first year and major changes before the second. I see many cap cuts and lots of new faces. How it works out will be unknown until next fall and all the yelling in the world won't change that.

Soldier on.

It takes ZERO hindsight to recognize a dominant defense and acknowledge it should be something to build on not break down, and the assumption that Rex could actually maintain last year's performance, let alone make it even better, certainly wasn't held by everybody.

[Mr. Pink]

This team would have been much better with Schwartz at HC, a guy like Trestman at OC and then whatever puppet Schwartz wanted as the DC - likely one of the defensive assistants from last year.

As far as major cuts, if there are any cap savings, might as well cut the entire D-line...with how they're used, there's no reason at all to have so much money sunk into it. Or trade it if you can.

[YardRat]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/228741-Comparing-defenses-2013-to-2014?highlight=defensive+statistics

OK, here it is...originally it was posted to show the rankings for Schwartz vs Pettine (in parenthesis)...I've added this year for Rex, {in brackets}...

Points per game--4--(20)--{15}
Yards per game--4--(10)--{20}
Yards per point--3--(6)--{17}
1st downs allowed per game--5--(12)--{22}
3rd down % allowed--1--(14)--{17}
Fumbles recovered--10--(25)--{22}
Rush yards per game--11--(28)--{14}
Passing yards per game--3--(4)--{23}
Sacks--1--(2)--{30}
Interceptions--6--(2)--{10}
QB rating--2--(3)--{10}

As you can see, not only has Ryan's defense regressed from Schwartz's level, he's actually made the defense worse than Pettine two seasons ago, with ZERO categories having a ranking higher than 10 (compared to Pettine's 5) and ranked worse than Pettine's D in 8 of 11 of the categories (the exceptions are points per game, fumbles recovered, and rush yards per game). Ryan vs Pettine is bad enough...Ryan vs Schwartz = no contest. Pettine = decent...Schwartz = dominant...Ryan = dismal and pathetic.

[kingJofNYC]

Preston Brown has been awful, not sure what some of you are watching. Our LBs are trash, metrics confirm that.

[Mr. Cynical]

http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/228741-Comparing-defenses-2013-to-2014?highlight=defensive+statistics

OK, here it is...originally it was posted to show the rankings for Schwartz vs Pettine (in parenthesis)...I've added this year for Rex, {in brackets}...

Points per game--4--(20)--{15}
Yards per game--4--(10)--{20}
Yards per point--3--(6)--{17}
1st downs allowed per game--5--(12)--{22}
3rd down % allowed--1--(14)--{17}
Fumbles recovered--10--(25)--{22}
Rush yards per game--11--(28)--{14}
Passing yards per game--3--(4)--{23}
Sacks--1--(2)--{30}
Interceptions--6--(2)--{10}
QB rating--2--(3)--{10}

As you can see, not only has Ryan's defense regressed from Schwartz's level, he's actually made the defense worse than Pettine two seasons ago, with ZERO categories having a ranking higher than 10 (compared to Pettine's 5) and ranked worse than Pettine's D in 8 of 11 of the categories (the exceptions are points per game, fumbles recovered, and rush yards per game). Ryan vs Pettine is bad enough...Ryan vs Schwartz = no contest. Pettine = decent...Schwartz = dominant...Ryan = dismal and pathetic.

:monkeyp: "Defensive Guru" Rex

[don137]

One thing to remember is if Schwartz was head coach we may be even more frustrated as we would proabably have Cassell and EJ as our QBs. I doubt Tyrod would of signed here. We would have a stellar defense and still be out of playoffs. Instead on saying "Rex killed this defense" we would be saying "if only we had a QB." End result doesn't change much.

[BuffaloRedleg]

It's funny how everyone forgets how terrible Schwartz was as a head coach.

[jamze132]

That very well could be it but he's also seeing more hands on him from the o-line near the LOS when the D-line is backing out too.

Still don't understand why we bothered extending both Dareus and Hughes for big money in the offseason, actually Dareus was right at the start of the regular season, when the scheme the coach employs makes both of them completely useless. Could have saved that money to put elsewhere into the team this coming offseason while paying other guys 4-5 million dollars to do the same thing.

If we were playing a 4-3, they'd have double-digit sacks.

[YardRat]

It's funny how everyone forgets how terrible Schwartz was as a head coach.

I'll take a guy that took over the first winless team in NFL history and got them to the playoffs over a buffoon that inherited a team with a winning record and drove them into the basement.

[BuffaloRedleg]

I'll take a guy that took over the first winless team in NFL history and got them to the playoffs over a buffoon that inherited a team with a winning record and drove them into the basement.

Lol you have to know how ridiculously unfair that comparison is.

[The Jokeman]

OH and the jets D is better all across the board

The Jets also completely overhauled their secondary this offseason, thanks Revis island and the two other CBs they signed. Toss in got arguably the best player in the draft in Leonard Williams. Also say what you want but Brandon Marshall is probably amongst the top 10 WRs in the NFL which allowed Decker to be the great #2 he was in Denver and we all know that Gailey and Fitzpatrick are a decent combo and with guys like D'Brickashaw and Mangold think they have a better O-line than us.

[The Jokeman]

One thing to remember is if Schwartz was head coach we may be even more frustrated as we would proabably have Cassell and EJ as our QBs. I doubt Tyrod would of signed here. We would have a stellar defense and still be out of playoffs. Instead on saying "Rex killed this defense" we would be saying "if only we had a QB." End result doesn't change much.

What about the thought of Hue Jackson as HC and Shwartz as DC? I know that was a popular combo talked about. In terms of Tyrod, I think he looked at the Bills as a chance to start and sure Ryan liking him might have improved our chances yet not sure he alone secured him. As everyone talks about the Broncos but let's face it I don't think anyone could have predicted the Peyton collapse we saw this year otherwise Tyrod would have signed there in a New York minute.

[sdbillsfan2]

Just throwing this out there.

Rex's first year with a majority of a team he didnt select. He reaches the playoffs. Samething with his second year . Bravo to Rex. Okay
So by his 3rd year he's familiar with all his players .His coaching staff is in tact . It's his ship. What the hell happened after that? There are guys changing fron one d to another and keep winning. Pettine was a Rex guy. Schwartz wasn't. Yet Schwartz had this same group playing better
I personally dont want to wait to see how low Rex can take these guys. After year 2 with the Jets they flat out sucked.

[sukie]

Rex ruined nobody. He just lines them up wrong and has them doing the wrong thing. They were dominant up front in a 4-3 eat QBs mentality.

I don't remember Bruce Smith being known as a LB