Up against the cap... X's 2016 Off-season Moves

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  • X-Era
    What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
    • Feb 2005
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    Up against the cap... X's 2016 Off-season Moves

    For years many of us complained about the Bills not spending their money and the team not performing. There's likely a correlation between the two. And then this past year they spent plenty and will be up against the cap this upcoming year. Yet the team went 8 and 8 so maybe there is no correlation after all...

    Personally, I'm glad we're spending for talent and retaining our own. We have a cap and should have been using it all along.

    So we will be up against the cap next year. And it really starts a whole new problem that we haven't had in quite a while... making tough choices. We can't keep everyone. The cap will limit our ability to keep all the good players we already have and all the youngsters that have earned bigger deals.

    So what now? What are the tough choices that you would make to have, maybe even maintain, a playoff caliber roster? It's now a matter of choices. What I don't want to do is to start watering down the talent again, gaining significant cap room, and then not re-investing it in the team.

    Updated: The cap may go to 153. We have 7.7 which we can rollover. That puts the adjusted cap at 160.7.
    The Buffalo Bills 2024 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.


    Updated: Our top 51 is set to count 152.3.
    The Buffalo Bills 2016 salary cap table, including team cap space, dead cap figures, and complete breakdowns of player cap hits, salaries, and bonuses.


    Updated: That means we start with 8.4 mill in cap room

    We're up against the cap and:

    Glenn- UFA
    Incognito- UFA
    Bradham- UFA
    Mario has a 19.9 mill cap hit but says he wants to come back and Rex said he wants him back
    Kyle wants to come back

    I'd let Bradham walk- This is a spot where UFA's are relatively less expensive and it's a position where it seems a bit easier to draft a solid starter.

    Resigning Glenn and Incognito can't happen without moves. Releasing Mario doesn't provide enough room. That would give us 12.9 mill and Glenn could get a cap hit of 9 alone. Even if they could get Glenn and Incognito resigned to 12.9 in cap hit next year they still have no money to sign draftees and to fill our the rest of the roster. Beyond that we would be weaker as a whole if we cut Mario and simply keep Glenn and Incognito unless we could draft a player as good as the 15 version of Mario. We can't sign someone, again, no money.

    Cut McKelvin? Urbik? Graham? Wood? Ok, that can give us cap room. But, like Mario, who then replaces them to keep the overall talent at a playoff caliber role.

    My recipe would be this:

    Cut Mario and recoup the 12.9 mill
    Cut McKelvin which adds another 3.9
    Cut Carpenter which adds 1.8
    Cut Urbik which adds 1.8

    You gain 20.4 in room.

    Updated: That puts us at 28.8 mill in cap room

    Resign Glenn to 8-9 mill in 2016 cap hit. That's Jason Peters level LT money
    Resign Incognito to 5 mill in 2016 cap hit

    That gives you 14.8 left

    Updated: You need around 4.87 mill for draft picks
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    Updated: That leaves ~10 mill in room. That's about what will be needed to fill out the rest of the roster and still have a bit of room. But not enough for anything significant. Possibly a mid-level player at say LB like Demario Davis for maybe 4 mill in cap hit. We usually keep around 5 mill in room as a buffer. If we want to add anything significant it requires additional cuts.

    I'd say we then have to draft:

    Starting DE, Starting OLB, Starting K, and possibly a starting RT plus we'd need a backup G, OLB, DT, and ILB.

    And the roster would be about the same maybe a bit weaker.

    Gone are the days where we have money, can do anything, and don't need to make cuts to do it. So what would your tough choices be?
    Last edited by X-Era; 01-15-2016, 05:44 AM.

  • SpikedLemonade
    • Jun 2024

    #2
    Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

    Sure was smart signing a TE who cost us $12M this year.

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    • justasportsfan
      Registered User
      • Jul 2002
      • 71580

      #3
      Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

      Mckelvin isn't going anywhere .
      We need more than a back up DT. We need a stud DT under Rex's system.
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      • gebobs
        One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
        • Sep 2003
        • 11520

        #4
        Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

        How about Felton's $2.3M? What could possibly justify that?
        Last edited by gebobs; 01-05-2016, 12:44 PM.
        Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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        • SpikedLemonade
          • Jun 2024

          #5
          Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

          Originally posted by justasportsfan View Post
          Mckelvin isn't going anywhere .
          We need more than a back up DT. We need a stud DT under Rex's system.
          We just gave Dareus a huge contract and we now need to invest even more for another DT for Rex?

          Would it not be cheaper just to get rid of Rex?

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          • Night Train
            Retired - On Several Levels
            • Jul 2005
            • 33117

            #6
            Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

            Buffalo Bills salary cap, contracts, bonus money, dead money, and cap savings for every player


            Look to the far right for savings.
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            • gebobs
              One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
              • Sep 2003
              • 11520

              #7
              Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

              Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
              Sure was smart signing a TE who cost us $12M this year.
              $5M in 2015, $13.5M in 2016. Yeesh!
              Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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              • X-Era
                What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                • Feb 2005
                • 27670

                #8
                Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                Originally posted by justasportsfan View Post
                Mckelvin isn't going anywhere .
                We need more than a back up DT. We need a stud DT under Rex's system.
                Whaley said they plan to run a D that fits the players... Both Rex and Whaley said there won't be huge changes to the players on the D.

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                • SpikedLemonade
                  • Jun 2024

                  #9
                  Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                  Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                  $5M in 2015, $13.5M in 2016. Yeesh!
                  For a TE for a QB who never throws over the middle because he can't see over the OL.

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                  • gebobs
                    One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 11520

                    #10
                    Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                    Originally posted by X-Era View Post
                    Whaley said they plan to run a D that fits the players... Both Rex and Whaley said there won't be huge changes to the players on the D.
                    A full third of the cap, $50M, goes to that front four. Better make it work. They sure didn't earn their pay this year.
                    Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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                    • cookie G
                      Registered User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 7566

                      #11
                      Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                      Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                      How about Felton's $2.3M? What could possibly justify that?
                      That was one of my disappointments..for a FB who made the PB...he misses a hell of a lot of blocks.

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                      • gebobs
                        One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 11520

                        #12
                        Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                        Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                        For a TE for a QB who never throws over the middle because he can't see over the OL.
                        I'm no cap wonk, but his hit is weird. $5M, $13.5M, then $6.5M for the remaining three years. The $10M roster bonus this year needs to be restructured.
                        Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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                        • cookie G
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 7566

                          #13
                          Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                          Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                          A full third of the cap, $50M, goes to that front four. Better make it work. They sure didn't earn their pay this year.
                          There is a pretty easy fix for that...but ...it'll take a new coach.

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                          • X-Era
                            What this generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 27670

                            #14
                            Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                            Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                            I'm no cap wonk, but his hit is weird. $5M, $13.5M, then $6.5M for the remaining three years. The $10M roster bonus this year needs to be restructured.
                            It was because he was given the transition tag and the Bills knew the Fins had cap room in 2016. The Bills built the structure that way to get the Fins to not resign him.

                            It's possible to restructure that deal now. It's an option I believe.

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                            • cookie G
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 7566

                              #15
                              Re: Well, we're there again... up against the cap. It's good and bad.

                              Originally posted by SpikedLemonade View Post
                              We just gave Dareus a huge contract and we now need to invest even more for another DT for Rex?

                              Would it not be cheaper just to get rid of Rex?
                              Its a shame a defensive guru can only learn one playbook in 20 years, you know?

                              If Rex was a WR, he'd be considered a one trick pony;
                              If he was a DL, he'd be considered severely limited by scheme;
                              if he was a QB, he'd be considered Vince Young.

                              But since he had success as a defensive line coach with the Ravens...he's a genius.

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