Rob is Rex. Rex is Rob. We're doomed.

[Mr. Cynical]

"There were a few things that you looked at from a year ago [in 2014] and you said, 'We can't have X number of snaps with not the right number of guys on the field," Payton said after firing Rob Ryan last November. "We can't burn timeouts, you know, every other week because we can't get the right personnel on the field. We just can't do that. We can't have guys looking left and right at the snap of the ball."

Sound familiar?

Just read this article on espn and omg, I never knew half of this. Now I have ZERO hope, when at least before I thought there were powerball chances of this being successful. He literally has the same problems as Rex, with players being overwhelmed by an overly complex scheme. So instead of getting a DC to crank it down, hiring Rob is putting gas on a flame.

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/23389/bills-risk-madness-if-rob-ryan-has-another-chance-to-run-defense

[Mace]

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"There were a few things that you looked at from a year ago [in 2014] and you said, 'We can't have X number of snaps with not the right number of guys on the field," Payton said after firing Rob Ryan last November. "We can't burn timeouts, you know, every other week because we can't get the right personnel on the field. We just can't do that. We can't have guys looking left and right at the snap of the ball."

Sound familiar?

Just read this article on espn and omg, I never knew half of this. Now I have ZERO hope, when at least before I thought there were powerball chances of this being successful. He literally has the same problems as Rex, with players being overwhelmed by an overly complex scheme. So instead of getting a DC to crank it down, hiring Rob is putting gas on a flame.

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bill...to-run-defense

Interesting thing to me is that Buddy ran an aggressive defense that dictated, his sons run wannabe-aggressives that are dictated to by the offenses they are facing in most cases. Most cases, because look at the 2nd NE game. They didn't play the fancy dancing overthinking game. I think Pettine had his degree of success here because he simplified it for the position groups.

I don't really see any sign that Rex or Rob have learned anything as the Ryan hybrid declines because of coaches, oc's and QB's who know how to rough it up.

Hiring Rob absolutely was putting gas on a flame. There's some chance it might work. Put gas on that flame and aim it right and you can burn some people, and they have the same, hm, vision.

Or it gets worse but will be entertainingly catastrophic.

May as well hope for the best, but don't expect it, because nothing is going to change for a couple years.

[Luisito23]

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Might as well write off next year and if these idiots are here again, write off the year after that as well.

[sdbillsfan2]

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If the team owners and Gm don't see the truth in all this who (other then half the fans ) does?
I getting so sick of all this continuity bs. If continuity was so important why did these idiots destroy a very good defense for this years version of Ryan's follies. OBD will always have an excuse but no one takes responsibility
We are now stuck with 2 idiot Ryans and all the ex Jet minions.

[EDS]

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If the team owners and Gm don't see the truth in all this who (other then half the fans ) does?
I getting so sick of all this continuity bs. If continuity was so important why did these idiots destroy a very good defense for this years version of Ryan's follies. OBD will always have an excuse but no one takes responsibility
We are now stuck with 2 idiot Ryans and all the ex Jet minions.

Pretty sure there are some people in NYC and New Orleans that are enjoying the Bills moves.

[YardRat]

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Help me out here...

Barnum and Bailey?
Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumass?
Pinkie and The Brain?
The Ambiguously Meh Duo?

[feldspar]

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Everything I hear sounds like they want to turn football into rocket science.

In the NFL, it's about talent of the players ten times more than it about scheme. Confuse these guys, and the results will not be pretty.

[pmoon6]

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Interesting thing to me is that Buddy ran an aggressive defense that dictated, his sons run wannabe-aggressives that are dictated to by the offenses they are facing in most cases. Most cases, because look at the 2nd NE game. They didn't play the fancy dancing overthinking game. I think Pettine had his degree of success here because he simplified it for the position groups.

I don't really see any sign that Rex or Rob have learned anything as the Ryan hybrid declines because of coaches, oc's and QB's who know how to rough it up.

Hiring Rob absolutely was putting gas on a flame. There's some chance it might work. Put gas on that flame and aim it right and you can burn some people, and they have the same, hm, vision.

Or it gets worse but will be entertainingly catastrophic.

May as well hope for the best, but don't expect it, because nothing is going to change for a couple years.

HaHa. Buddy Ryan was blessed with great players. Da Bears and then Reggie White and company in Philly. He didn't fair so well in Houston and Arizona, although Houston had a good front seven, their secondary was sub par.

[Mace]

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HaHa. Buddy Ryan was blessed with great players. Da Bears and then Reggie White and company in Philly. He didn't fair so well in Houston and Arizona, although Houston had a good front seven, their secondary was sub par.

Agree, but he also did more with the players, like how he moved Dan Hampton around over the weakest OL, and moved Reggie White around.

Buddy Ryan, when he was there, they were going to do everything they could to make sure Reggie White was only going to have one guy blocking him. So the worst was when Bart Oates, our center, we'd walk up to the line of scrimmage and Reggie White would be head-up on him.

via Phil Simms : http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...the-nfl-legend

The only thing you saw Rex do with Mario, Kyle and Dareus was drop them into coverage.

[Turf]

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We literally have two of the biggest twin bozos with the same defect making the same mistakes coaching our team again. Do we expect them to fix it? We resign a failing GM and give Brandon the Sabres and more security. 6 wins next year. Things will never change with the lack of insight ownership has.

[Mace]

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Things will never change with the lack of insight ownership has.

I find it hard to believe you have so little faith in Russ "Smiley Photobomb" Brandon. 5 more years, tops, until we get back to 9-7.

[cookie G]

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Agree, but he also did more with the players, like how he moved Dan Hampton around over the weakest OL, and moved Reggie White around.

The defense Rex ran last year is about as far from a "46" as it could be, both in execution and pilosophy. And it makes me chuckle listening to people call it a 46, or 46 hybrid,

Buddy couild be summed up in 1 word: Pressure. His pursuit of pressure bordered on the psychotic.

To stop a passing game, you can't stop it unless you put pressure on it. Now some people are good enough to put it on with a three-man rush; well, we're not. In fact, I don't know whether we're good enough to put it on with a four-man rush. If we have to send eight, we'll send eight, but we're not going to let you sit back there and pick us apart all day.
— Buddy Ryan,

His entire goal of all those cool formations was to mess up blocking assignments and get people to the QB. Thus he did funky things like using his tackles in double A gap or have 2 LBs lining up side by side. He might have a backside lineman with 2 gap responsibilities..but everyone else...was going. He ran a 4 man front, but had at least one LB going constantly to the QB.

Rushing 3 is not a 46;
Rushing 4, not getting pressure, and continuing to rush 4, is not a 46.
Dropping a DL into coverage and occasionally sending a DB is a zone blitz, it isn't a 46.
Putting 8 people in the box, and then havign 5 of them drop back into coverage is not a 46.

I'm not quite sure what Rex's defense would be called, but a 46, or any other type of Buddy Ryan defense, it was not.

Based based on the times he dropped 8 into coverage...or the number of times he threatened a blitz, but didnt...the "I lost my nerve" defense might be more accurate.

[DynaPaul]

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Help me out here...

Barnum and Bailey?
Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumass?
Pinkie and The Brain?
The Ambiguously Meh Duo?

The Wonder Twins.

[justasportsfan]

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Bellicheat is having a boner. He gets to make the twins his beeyotch!

[mightysimi]

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As much as everyone is on the bash Rex wagon, how can you build anything in 1 year? Are we the Browns now? Dumping someone after one season?

I'm not the biggest Rex sympathizer but seriously, can we give him an actual shot before we change again?