Crazy or Brilliant Idea?

[Mouldsie]

I had this thought ever since the Titans secured the #1 overall pick... that we should try and get it so we can draft a player who I believe is a franchise QB (and have for 2-3 years) in Jared Goff.

How would I do it? I think I'd start by offering them Sammy Watkins straight up for the pick.... and they might be crazy enough to do a deal with those as the two major pieces.

My argument/logic goes like this:
-QB is the most important position in the game, you should always want to be top 10 in this position in the league IMO. (We always try building a team around our skill players and it fails)
-Tyrod is nice, but he's far from proven as a top 10 franchise guy
-Competition is good.
-Better to have two QB's than none.
-Goff is a franchise QB
-We usually don't have a strong look at franchise QB's and when we do we have missed on it and that has cost us, over and over.
-Titans are open for business.
-Titans need to support their young signal caller.
-Sammy Watkins would arguably be the best player in this upcoming draft.... with the exception of the positional value Goff brings.



I just need some REAL hope for this team. It is mind numbing to be a fan of the Bills when they continue to kill themselves with bad decisions. They'll keep making bad decisions but a franchise QB is the ultimate eraser. They can cover up the stench of an inept franchise better than anything else (see: Manning, Luck, Rivers, Palmer, Ryan kind of, possibly Mariota or Winston next).

We can argue the merits of Goff as well I suppose but to me he's a no brainer. Matt Ryan is his floor (that would be a disappointment) and Tom Brady is his ceiling (in terms of style of player). I am confident he'll fall more on the good side of that spectrum with the right coaching/situation (so maybe he fails under Rex :().

[YardRat]

Well, that certainly would be bold.

Whaley is a gunslinger when it comes to acquiring players, but I don't think he has the gonads to risk his position/reputation on a move that would A)Admit failure with EJ (although he's going to have to completely accept it eventually) B)Admit that the guy he doubled-down on (Watkins) is expendable if it means taking a bolder gamble on a guy (Goff) in an attempt to overcome the first gamble (EJ), and C)IMO Whaley has a super-high opinion of Watkins, large enough to quash the desire to do what it takes to acquire a 'franchise' guy.

[BillsImpossible]

I am torn between Tyrod and a hard place to be in.

Taylor did much better than anyone thought this year. The kid is young, and has earned the starting quarterback job.

Is he a franchise quarterback capable of taking the Bills to the playoffs for 10 out of the next 10 or more seasons?

No.

Great wide receivers don't take teams to the playoffs year in and year out over a decade or more.

If Whaley thinks he has an opportunity to draft a franchise quarterback and all he has to do is give up Sammy Watkins, go for it.

[BillsImpossible]

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[Typ0]

-Tyrod is nice, but he's far from proven as a top 10 franchise guy

And your guy is?

[Ginger Vitis]

I don't think every draft expert thinks Goff will be a Top 10 guy... And to go from 19 to 1 would probably take more compensation than just giving the Titans Watkins..

[Night Train]

Let me know when John Elway Jr. comes out.

[Mace]

I don't think every draft expert thinks Goff will be a Top 10 guy... And to go from 19 to 1 would probably take more compensation than just giving the Titans Watkins..

I'm not so sure he's a "franchise" qb. Spindly frame, weighs what, 205 lbs ? Spread offense QB again, that means steep learning curve for reads, again. He's a good prospect but bona fide franchise QB, oh I dunno about that.

Trade up for him ? Nah. See what happens with Taylor having a year of combat under his belt. There will be more prospects next year.

For the love of heaven I just want them to have a well scouted, predictable foundation draft for once without wildly swinging for the fences. Like that's going to happen. I voted crazy, no offense Mouldsie.

[Ginger Vitis]

Spindly frame, weighs what, 205 lbs ?




Too risky then to take No.1... Ron Meyer said in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary "Elway to Marino" he wasn't happy with the Pats taking Tony Eason he didnt think Eason would hold up long term because of his slight frame.. And I don't think Tyrod Taylor will either the last few games of the season he was taking way too many hard hits.. Compared to Russell Wilson Taylor is quite thin

[Mace]

Too risky then to take No.1... Ron Meyer said in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary "Elway to Marino" he wasn't happy with the Pats taking Tony Eason he didnt think Eason would hold up long term because of his slight frame.. And I don't think Tyrod Taylor will either the last few games of the season he was taking way too many hard hits.. Compared to Russell Wilson Taylor is quite thin

11/28/15

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[Mr. Cynical]

Don't know anything about Goff, but just judging from the highlight reel, no. He doesn't have an overly strong arm, and seems to get happy feet more than I'd like to see.

[justasportsfan]

Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck in this year's draft?

[MillsapsBillsFan]

Goff is not worth it IMO. Haven't we learned our lesson with California QB's yet?

[stuckincincy]

I had this thought ever since the Titans secured the #1 overall pick... that we should try and get it so we can draft a player who I believe is a franchise QB (and have for 2-3 years) in Jared Goff.

How would I do it? I think I'd start by offering them Sammy Watkins straight up for the pick.... and they might be crazy enough to do a deal with those as the two major pieces.



I wouldn't think Goff would be anywhere near the #1 overall pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Woods gets shopped, though.

[Albany,n.y.]

Goff is not worth it IMO. Haven't we learned our lesson with California QB's yet?

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Carson Palmer
Jack Kemp
I think we've learned what a California QB can do for a team.

[OpIv37]

Look, Tyrod has his ups and downs but who do you think is going to come in and play better, especially if you trade away our #1 WR? And which QB is worth giving up Sammy?

[stuckincincy]

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Carson Palmer
Jack Kemp
I think we've learned what a California QB can do for a team.

We would be talking about how early Palmer would be entering the HOF after retirement if he wasn't drafted by Mike Brown...

[Mace]

I wouldn't think Goff would be anywhere near the #1 overall pick. I wouldn't be surprised if Woods gets shopped, though.

You know, I'd probably trade Watkins and whoever to get to Joey Bosa.

[YardRat]

I'd rather keep Sammy and take my chances on Cook in the second or Prescott/Jones/Coker in the 4th or 5th.

[bdutton]

I had this thought ever since the Titans secured the #1 overall pick... that we should try and get it so we can draft a player who I believe is a franchise QB (and have for 2-3 years) in Jared Goff.

How would I do it? I think I'd start by offering them Sammy Watkins straight up for the pick.... and they might be crazy enough to do a deal with those as the two major pieces.

My argument/logic goes like this:
-QB is the most important position in the game, you should always want to be top 10 in this position in the league IMO. (We always try building a team around our skill players and it fails)
-Tyrod is nice, but he's far from proven as a top 10 franchise guy
-Competition is good.
-Better to have two QB's than none.
-Goff is a franchise QB
-We usually don't have a strong look at franchise QB's and when we do we have missed on it and that has cost us, over and over.
-Titans are open for business.
-Titans need to support their young signal caller.
-Sammy Watkins would arguably be the best player in this upcoming draft.... with the exception of the positional value Goff brings.



I just need some REAL hope for this team. It is mind numbing to be a fan of the Bills when they continue to kill themselves with bad decisions. They'll keep making bad decisions but a franchise QB is the ultimate eraser. They can cover up the stench of an inept franchise better than anything else (see: Manning, Luck, Rivers, Palmer, Ryan kind of, possibly Mariota or Winston next).

We can argue the merits of Goff as well I suppose but to me he's a no brainer. Matt Ryan is his floor (that would be a disappointment) and Tom Brady is his ceiling (in terms of style of player). I am confident he'll fall more on the good side of that spectrum with the right coaching/situation (so maybe he fails under Rex :().

http://i.imgur.com/zapWDVn.gif


We finally have a legit starting QB and you want to get rid of him and start another 3-4 year project on an unknown?

http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201501_2210_geebg_sm.jpg

I voted crazy only because stupid was not an option.

[Mouldsie]

You know, I'd probably trade Watkins and whoever to get to Joey Bosa.
now thats crazy

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I'd rather keep Sammy and take my chances on Cook in the second or Prescott/Jones/Coker in the 4th or 5th.
Those would be wasted draft picks

[Mouldsie]

http://i.imgur.com/zapWDVn.gif


We finally have a legit starting QB and you want to get rid of him and start another 3-4 year project on an unknown?

http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201501_2210_geebg_sm.jpg

I voted crazy only because stupid was not an option.

The Chiefs also have a starting QB.

[stuckincincy]

You know, I'd probably trade Watkins and whoever to get to Joey Bosa.

I'm convinced that Bosa made that helmet hit happen to get tossed out of their Bowl game and avoid a Javedon Clowney injury situation. :nono:

[Mouldsie]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000626040/article/cosell-jared-goff-a-better-qb-prospect-than-jameis-winston

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He does this stuff every game. Like Cosell says everything is quick and he's very elusive with subtle movements in the pocket. I think he's the real deal.

[stuckincincy]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000626040/article/cosell-jared-goff-a-better-qb-prospect-than-jameis-winston

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He does this stuff every game. Like Cosell says everything is quick and he's very elusive with subtle movements in the pocket. I think he's the real deal.

He reminds me of Dennis Shaw.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

There are only a handful of players who would command the #1 overall pick and Watkins ain't one of them. Wish we could get Goff though.

[Mouldsie]

I'm not so sure he's a "franchise" qb. Spindly frame, weighs what, 205 lbs ? Spread offense QB again, that means steep learning curve for reads, again. He's a good prospect but bona fide franchise QB, oh I dunno about that.

Trade up for him ? Nah. See what happens with Taylor having a year of combat under his belt. There will be more prospects next year.

For the love of heaven I just want them to have a well scouted, predictable foundation draft for once without wildly swinging for the fences. Like that's going to happen. I voted crazy, no offense Mouldsie.

There is not much of a learning curve with him. He runs that offense, does all the checks and audibles, goes through progressions, and loves to study the game. His coach handed over the keys to the offense to him this year as a Junior because he said and I quote "I trust him with my job"


Too risky then to take No.1... Ron Meyer said in the ESPN 30 for 30 documentary "Elway to Marino" he wasn't happy with the Pats taking Tony Eason he didnt think Eason would hold up long term because of his slight frame.. And I don't think Tyrod Taylor will either the last few games of the season he was taking way too many hard hits.. Compared to Russell Wilson Taylor is quite thin

He was 205lbs as a fresman. Coaches say he's 230lb now. We'll see when the combine comes. That said, maybe a year on the bench building his body up more would be beneficial for him. He's still only going to be 22 years old. I do think you can take some time to develop a QB still these days.


Don't know anything about Goff, but just judging from the highlight reel, no. He doesn't have an overly strong arm, and seems to get happy feet more than I'd like to see.

Those are not happy feet. Those are controlled quick movements so he's always balanced and ready to throw. Manning and Brees are masters of this. It also let's him escape rushers.
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He's not Jay Cutler but he's got enough arm for any throw and is extremely accurate: https://twitter.com/NFLFilmStudy/status/683166642822639616



I have been watching him since a Freshman and he's evolved into a top tier franchise QB IMO. The Browns are lucky (or maybe Goff will be lucky and he'll drop to a better franchise). I know my scenario will never happen. Such is life as a Bills fan.

[swiper]

I'd love to see the Bills draft Jared Goff.

But I don't know that he's good enough to merit a blockbuster trade.

[coastal]

I say go for it.

Sammy Watkins and our next 3 first round picks.

[YardRat]

now thats crazy

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Those would be wasted draft picks

If we don't take a QB in the first three rounds, it's never a wasted pick to take a chance on one in the fourth or fifth.

[MillsapsBillsFan]

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Carson Palmer
Jack Kemp
I think we've learned what a California QB can do for a team.

sigh. It was a joke. Im not seriously suggesting that we avoid drafting QBs from a single state, that would be just as dumb as suggesting cali Qb's are better than any other states.

I was referring to our own resounding suceesses from California like Rob Johnson or Trent Edwards (Matt Lienart played for us for a preseason game too if you want to throw that in there). Guess I need to be more clear with my jokes next time.

Still dont think Goff is worth it. Him being from Cali has nothing to do it.

[BillsImpossible]

Hue Jackson and the Browns are going to draft a quarterback with their 2nd overall pick in the draft and it will likely be Jared Goff.

2016 NFL Draft order

1. Titans - they already have a QB.

2. Browns - QB. Goff is off the board.

3. Chargers - Recently signed Rivers to a 4 year extension.

4. Cowboys - Dallas is married to Romo. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

You thought LeSean McCoy's contract was bad? Romo's is worse. Much worse.

5. Jaguars - Bortles is their guy.

6. Ravens - Flacco is their guy.

7. 49ers - What will Chip Kelly do? Cutting ties with Kaepernick would cost over $7 million in dead cap money. I think San Fran signed Kelly to resurrect Kaepernick's career. San Fran is kind of close to Oregon. Look out for the West Coast read option 49er Duck's in '16.

8. Dolphins - Recently signed Tannehill until 2020.

9. Bucs - Winston is their guy.

10. Giants - Manning's not going anywhere any time soon.

11. Bears - With improved play by Cutler this year and a $13 million dead cap hit in 2016, the Bears aren't likely to draft a quarterback in round 1.

12. Saints - Too much money tied up in Drew Brees, who has a $30 million cap hit in 2016. Ouch.

13. Eagles - Doug Pederson was the offensive coordinator for the Chiefs in 2015, and will be the Eagles head coach in 2016. He recently said that Sam Bradford is a "top notch," quarterback and would fit perfectly in his system.

14. Raiders - Carr is their guy.

15. Rams - Moving to LA again could mean the Rams want to start fresh with a new QB.

Problem is that they have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by releasing Nick Foles.

Foles is a starting QB that can go 8-8 or 9-7 and sell hope for 2017 in LA.

Starting a rookie QB in 2016 and going 3-13 would be bad for selling expensive tickets in LA's new stadium.

Can the Rams afford to have another losing season in LA?

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/nick-foles/

16. Lions - Married to Stafford for at least another year.

17. Falcons - Married to Matt Ryan.

18. Colts - I have a feeling that they're not going to draft a QB in the first round.

19. Bills - If the LA Rams opt to go with Foles in 2016, Paxton Lynch will likely be on the board for the Bills.

I would draft the ultimate trebuchet in a heartbeat.

[YardRat]

I could see Dallas, San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, and St Louis pulling the trigger on a QB in the first round.

Not all of them, of course.

[BuffaloRedleg]

I believe that QB names matter, and I'll be damned if a guy named Jared Goff is going to be a great QB.

[Mr. Cynical]

Hue Jackson and the Browns are going to draft a quarterback with their 2nd overall pick in the draft and it will likely be Jared Goff.

2016 NFL Draft order

1. Titans - they already have a QB.

2. Browns - QB. Goff is off the board.

3. Chargers - Recently signed Rivers to a 4 year extension.

4. Cowboys - Dallas is married to Romo. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

You thought LeSean McCoy's contract was bad? Romo's is worse. Much worse.

5. Jaguars - Bortles is their guy.

6. Ravens - Flacco is their guy.

7. 49ers - What will Chip Kelly do? Cutting ties with Kaepernick would cost over $7 million in dead cap money. I think San Fran signed Kelly to resurrect Kaepernick's career. San Fran is kind of close to Oregon. Look out for the West Coast read option 49er Duck's in '16.

8. Dolphins - Recently signed Tannehill until 2020.

9. Bucs - Winston is their guy.

10. Giants - Manning's not going anywhere any time soon.

11. Bears - With improved play by Cutler this year and a $13 million dead cap hit in 2016, the Bears aren't likely to draft a quarterback in round 1.

12. Saints - Too much money tied up in Drew Brees, who has a $30 million cap hit in 2016. Ouch.

13. Eagles - Doug Pederson was the offensive coordinator for the Chiefs in 2015, and will be the Eagles head coach in 2016. He recently said that Sam Bradford is a "top notch," quarterback and would fit perfectly in his system.

14. Raiders - Carr is their guy.

15. Rams - Moving to LA again could mean the Rams want to start fresh with a new QB.

Problem is that they have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by releasing Nick Foles.

Foles is a starting QB that can go 8-8 or 9-7 and sell hope for 2017 in LA.

Starting a rookie QB in 2016 and going 3-13 would be bad for selling expensive tickets in LA's new stadium.

Can the Rams afford to have another losing season in LA?

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/nick-foles/

16. Lions - Married to Stafford for at least another year.

17. Falcons - Married to Matt Ryan.

18. Colts - I have a feeling that they're not going to draft a QB in the first round.

19. Bills - If the LA Rams opt to go with Foles in 2016, Paxton Lynch will likely be on the board for the Bills.

I would draft the ultimate trebuchet in a heartbeat.

nice post - def puts things into perspective wrt qb picks

[Mace]

There is not much of a learning curve with him. He runs that offense, does all the checks and audibles, goes through progressions, and loves to study the game. His coach handed over the keys to the offense to him this year as a Junior because he said and I quote "I trust him with my job"



He was 205lbs as a fresman. Coaches say he's 230lb now. We'll see when the combine comes. That said, maybe a year on the bench building his body up more would be beneficial for him. He's still only going to be 22 years old. I do think you can take some time to develop a QB still these days.



Those are not happy feet. Those are controlled quick movements so he's always balanced and ready to throw. Manning and Brees are masters of this. It also let's him escape rushers.
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He's not Jay Cutler but he's got enough arm for any throw and is extremely accurate: https://twitter.com/NFLFilmStudy/status/683166642822639616



I have been watching him since a Freshman and he's evolved into a top tier franchise QB IMO. The Browns are lucky (or maybe Goff will be lucky and he'll drop to a better franchise). I know my scenario will never happen. Such is life as a Bills fan.

Well, the pic I posted was 2 months ago, even in these you can see he's not 230, he's spindly.

He still played from a spread with limited reads :


While Goff shows some upper level traits (like the ability to look off defenders) to get scouts excited, it is worth noting the relative simplicity of the offense he starred in at Cal, a spread attack with plenty of predetermined reads.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/25430907/cowboys-49ers-rams-best-nfl-fits-for-cal-qb-jared-goff

Also from that article :


Asking Goff to fire deep outs from the opposite hash or battle fierce winds in an outdoor stadium could lead to struggles in the NFL, which is why the Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears or Buffalo Bills might want to look elsewhere if any of those franchises chooses to add competition at quarterback during the offseason.

He's too, sorry, spindly to take hits as a pocket passer, and not mobile enough to be a Tyrod Taylor.

Could we try to develop him ? Sure. But you really want to trade Sammy Watkins and more for a very high 1st round development project ? I just don't. They need day one starters in the first round.

[Mouldsie]

Our disagreement comes down to our evaluation of the player then. Fair enough.

I think Goff > Winston, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Manziel, Manuel, Smith, Grayson, Mannion, Nassib, and I don't see a QB yet in the 2017 class that I have a higher grade on right now than I did with JG this time last year.

I am giving him the slight edge over my top QB last year, Mariota, as well.

[stuckincincy]

Our disagreement comes down to our evaluation of the player then. Fair enough.

I think Goff > Winston, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Manziel, Manuel, Smith, Grayson, Mannion, Nassib, and I don't see a QB yet in the 2017 class that I have a higher grade on right now than I did with JG this time last year.

I am giving him the slight edge over my top QB last year, Mariota, as well.

There are things to like about Goff, but I don't think he is going to rise into the top of the draft. I really can't see a team swinging a trade to get him in the 1st round.

[Mouldsie]

The last time a Cal QB came out teams made a pretty big error in judgment in not going after him, including the Bills. I hope JG falls so I can dream at least for a little while on draft day.

[Historian]

Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Carson Palmer
Jack Kemp
I think we've learned what a California QB can do for a team.

Dennis Shaw
Vince Ferragamo
JP Losman
Tom Flores
Rob Johnson
Trent Edwards
Matt Cassell

:snicker:

[Dr. Lecter]

There isn't a position close at all to QB. If Goff is a franchise guy then yes giving up Watkins is nothing. He's a great talent. But WR's without a top QB are worthless.

Carolina's top WR is Ted Ginn. New England has thrived for years with guys like Edleman who is good, but not at Watkins level.
If that deal were to be possible, I would do it in a heartbeat.

But it isn't and won't be.

[Luisito23]

:negrep:...:snicker:

[sukie]

We don't need a QB as much as we need a DE that can do the 4.2 40 backwards for Rex's drop into coverage , sacks are over rated scheme.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

There isn't a position close at all to QB. If Goff is a franchise guy then yes giving up Watkins is nothing. He's a great talent. But WR's without a top QB are worthless.

Carolina's top WR is Ted Ginn. New England has thrived for years with guys like Edleman who is good, but not at Watkins level.
If that deal were to be possible, I would do it in a heartbeat.

But it isn't and won't be.

True, but to be fair those passing offenses run through the tight end, not the #1 WR. I like Clay but he's a #2 target.

[MillsapsBillsFan]

Our disagreement comes down to our evaluation of the player then. Fair enough.

I think Goff > Winston, Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Manziel, Manuel, Smith, Grayson, Mannion, Nassib, and I don't see a QB yet in the 2017 class that I have a higher grade on right now than I did with JG this time last year.

I am giving him the slight edge over my top QB last year, Mariota, as well.

I agree with Goff over all of them except Jameis. If Jameis and Goff both came out this year Winston is 1, no doubt in my mind

[Victor7]

I'd do it.


Love me some Sammy Watkins but a franchise QB trumps anybody else. I happen to think Goff is that dude.


I also don't think Tennessee would do it.

[Bill Cody]

I'd rather have Paxton Lynch. I think you'll see 2 QB's taken top 10 and Lynch will end up going ahead of Goff, better pro body, more upside. Anyway we don't have the ammo to get to the top pick, Sammy is not enough.

[WagonCircler]

sigh. It was a joke. Im not seriously suggesting that we avoid drafting QBs from a single state, that would be just as dumb as suggesting cali Qb's are better than any other states..

What we should be avoiding is letting Doug Whaley evaluate a QB. Ever.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Neither crazy nor brilliant. It's just stupid.

Trade our proven best player for a rookie who may be Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf.
Our QB is still improving and has shown great potential.
Trading to #1 takes a lot more than a player. It'd be more like 1st and 2nd round and 1st next year. Again for an unproven rookie.

This ain't Madden. If Whaley did anything even close to this insanity he should be immediately dragged down the street and shot.

Worst thread ever.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Hue Jackson and the Browns are going to draft a quarterback with their 2nd overall pick in the draft and it will likely be Jared Goff.

2016 NFL Draft order

1. Titans - they already have a QB.

2. Browns - QB. Goff is off the board.

3. Chargers - Recently signed Rivers to a 4 year extension.

4. Cowboys - Dallas is married to Romo. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/tony-romo/

You thought LeSean McCoy's contract was bad? Romo's is worse. Much worse.

5. Jaguars - Bortles is their guy.

6. Ravens - Flacco is their guy.

7. 49ers - What will Chip Kelly do? Cutting ties with Kaepernick would cost over $7 million in dead cap money. I think San Fran signed Kelly to resurrect Kaepernick's career. San Fran is kind of close to Oregon. Look out for the West Coast read option 49er Duck's in '16.

8. Dolphins - Recently signed Tannehill until 2020.

9. Bucs - Winston is their guy.

10. Giants - Manning's not going anywhere any time soon.

11. Bears - With improved play by Cutler this year and a $13 million dead cap hit in 2016, the Bears aren't likely to draft a quarterback in round 1.

12. Saints - Too much money tied up in Drew Brees, who has a $30 million cap hit in 2016. Ouch.

13. Eagles - Doug Pederson was the offensive coordinator for the Chiefs in 2015, and will be the Eagles head coach in 2016. He recently said that Sam Bradford is a "top notch," quarterback and would fit perfectly in his system.

14. Raiders - Carr is their guy.

15. Rams - Moving to LA again could mean the Rams want to start fresh with a new QB.

Problem is that they have nothing to gain and a lot to lose by releasing Nick Foles.

Foles is a starting QB that can go 8-8 or 9-7 and sell hope for 2017 in LA.

Starting a rookie QB in 2016 and going 3-13 would be bad for selling expensive tickets in LA's new stadium.

Can the Rams afford to have another losing season in LA?

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/nick-foles/

16. Lions - Married to Stafford for at least another year.

17. Falcons - Married to Matt Ryan.

18. Colts - I have a feeling that they're not going to draft a QB in the first round.

19. Bills - If the LA Rams opt to go with Foles in 2016, Paxton Lynch will likely be on the board for the Bills.

I would draft the ultimate trebuchet in a heartbeat.
Romo, Eli, Rivers, Brees are all getting up there in age. I would be a lot less surprised if any one of these teams drafted a QB than the Bills taking a QB in the first round with Tyrod going to the Pro Bowl.