Day 3-the Official thread Rounds 4-7

[YardRat]

So who is left on your list?

[swiper]

Connor Cook.

What teams that needed a QB are left without one besides Buffalo?

[swiper]

Here you go. Peruse this list for best of the rest left for day #3:


Best of the Rest: Top draft prospects left on the board (http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/1015196)


Some good talent still out there. Potential starters.

[YardRat]

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Charone Peake, WR, Clemson
Kenny Lawler, WR, California / De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St / Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson / Spencer Drango, OT, Baylor
Tyler Higbee, TE, Western Kentucky / John Theus, OT, Georgia
Avery Young, OG, Auburn / Tyler Matakevich, ILB, Temple / Dak Prescott, QB Miss State
Fahn Cooper, OT, Ole Miss / DJ Reader, DT, Clemson / Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford
Antwione Williams, OLB, Georgia Southern / Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State / Jake Coker, QB, Alabama / Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

[swiper]

Killebrew
Tapper
Billings
Haeg
Kyle Murphy
Theus
Jerald Hawkins
Connor Cook
Kevin Hogan
Jayron Kearse

You know the Bills will grab a RB and WR somewhere today.

[sudzy]

4 QBs that (I believe) were in for a visit. Beavers at OT. A couple good guard lefts.

[swiper]

Add him to my list:

http://images.hngn.com/data/images/full/157942/lsu-offensive-lineman-vadal-alexander.jpg (http://lsu.247sports.com/Article/NFL-Draft-Buzz-Vadal-Alexander-45052240)


Vadal Alexander (http://247sports.com/Player/Vadal-Alexander-800) was a four-year starter for the Tigers with 25 starts at left guard and 21 on the edge.The 6-foot-5, 326-pounder allowed only two sacks as a senior after he elected to return to school and put the NFL on hold.

Now, his time has come.

NFL Combine Numbers

Height: 6-5

Weight: 326

40-Yard-Dash: 5.57 seconds

Shuttle: 4.90 seconds

3-Cone Drill: 8.04 seconds

Vertical: 24”

225-Bench: 25 reps

Strengths
Alexander, who has lost 30 pounds since his freshman year, has a bright future with his natural size and strength, using better than expected mobility to get to the second level and eliminate linebackers in the run game. Adjusts well to stunts and twists with improved awareness. People mover in the run game, staying aggressive and nasty through the whistle. Sustains well at the point of attack and stays balanced.

Efficient second level climber, engaging and eliminating linebackers. Strong hands with the ability to steer and control once locked on. Four-year starter, splitting his experience between right tackle and left guard - also practiced at left tackle with one career start there as a senior.

- Dane Brugler & Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com and CBSSports.com

[swiper]

Alexander looks slow. John Miller ran the 40 in 5.33. But otherwise looks good.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1851279/john-miller

For comparison.

[The Natrix]

Cook or Hogan please.

[kgun12]

What number are our picks today?

[sudzy]

What number are our picks today?

4th pick 41 139 overall
5th pick 18 156 overall
6th pick 17 192 overall
6th pick 43 218 overall

[kgun12]

4th pick 41 139 overall
5th pick 18 156 overall
6th pick 17 192 overall
6th pick 43 218 overall

Thanks

[Scumbag College]

At this point, it's all backups and role players. I'd like QB addressed with the next fourth round pick. I would think Cook, Prescott, Hogan, or Jones might be there.

A versatile, athletic OL backup like Beavers out of W. Michigan or McGovern out of Mizzou. Both guys fit Roman's OL and can backup at multiple poisitions, so when the injuries start coming it isn't a complete mess.

A WR would be good...I like Burridge from Michigan St. Watched him a bunch in college and have no idea why he's a 5th or later prediction.

RB. Shady and Karlos weren't both in the lineup too often last year. I like Gillesllee and what he did but I have to think that the Bills are going to keep four tailbacks this year come opening day. Wouldn't mind our last pick today a RB to be thrown into that mix.

Safety. Losing A Williams last year was a killer and as much as they say that he is back, they need some more insurance there. Blandon looks like a solid backup, but Duke on the field at any time on D makes me nervous and I haven't seen enough yet of Meeks.

[Night Train]

QB coming. Probably a Safety. OT.

[DraftBoy]

Day 3 Wishlist:
QB Connor Cook
QB Cardale Jones
QB Dak Prescott
QB Nate Sudfeld
QB Jeff Driskel
FB Dan Vitale
WR Pharaoh Cooper
WR Kenny Lawler
WR Keyarris Garrett
WR Charone Peake
WR Malcolm Mitchell
WR/TE Devon Cajuste
WR Moritz Boehringer
WR DeRunnya Wilson
WR MarQuez North
WR D'haquille Williams
TE Jerell Adams
TE Tyler Higbee
TE Beau Sandford
TE Bryce Willaims
TE Jake Mcee
TE Kyle Carter
OT Caleb Benenock
OT Willie Beavers
OT Kyle Murphy
OT John Theus
OT Avery Young
OG Christian Westerman
OG Joe Dahl
OG Connor McGovern
OG Vidal Alexander
OG Landon Turner
OG Anthony Fabiano
OG Denver Kirkland
OG Alex Redmond
OG Isiah Cage
OC Jack Allen
OC Evan Boehm
OC Austin Blythe
OC Matt Skura
DE Ronald Blair
DE Romeo Okwara
DE Lawrence Thomas
DE DJ Pettway
DE Drew Ott
DE Shawn Oakman
DT Andrew Billings
DT Hassan Ridgeway
DT DJ Reader
DT Nile Lawrence-Stample
DT Antwaun Woods
OLB De'Vondre Campbell
OLB Ishaq Williams
OLB Tyrone Holmes
OLB Ian Seau
OLB Dillon Lee
ILB BJ Goodson
ILB Scooby Wright
ILB Antonio Morrison
ILB Reggie Northrup
ILB Cassanova McKinzy
CB Jalen Mills
CB Ryan Smith
CB Zack Sanchez
CB Maurice Canady
CB Harlan Miller
CB LeShaun Sims
FS Tyvus Powell
FS Doeiondre' Hall
FS Trae Elston
FS Jamal Golden
SS Jeremy Cash
SS Mile Killebrew
SS KJ Dillon
SS Jayong Kearse
SS Derrick Kindred
SS Elijah Shumate
K John Lunsford
P Tom Hacket
P Lachlan Edwards
LS Nathan Theus

[DraftBoy]

I won't be around till later in the afternoon, but I'll be checking this thread like crazy without likely posting. Keep me updated guys!

[SpikedLemonade]

I would still roll the dice on Billings but I can't imagine he is still available at the end of the 4th when the Bills are scheduled to draft next.

[The last buffalo fan]

Thanks Draftboy!

[SpikedLemonade]

Rap just said that he spoke to teams about NT Andrew Billings and there are no injury or character concerns. He fell simply because he is a 2 down NT.

That is exactly what we need right now.

[sudzy]

Day 3 Wishlist:
QB Connor Cook
QB Cardale Jones
QB Dak Prescott
QB Nate Sudfeld
QB Jeff Driskel
FB Dan Vitale
WR Pharaoh Cooper
WR Kenny Lawler
WR Keyarris Garrett
WR Charone Peake
WR Malcolm Mitchell
WR/TE Devon Cajuste
WR Moritz Boehringer
WR DeRunnya Wilson
WR MarQuez North
WR D'haquille Williams
TE Jerell Adams
TE Tyler Higbee
TE Beau Sandford
TE Bryce Willaims
TE Jake Mcee
TE Kyle Carter
OT Caleb Benenock
OT Willie Beavers
OT Kyle Murphy
OT John Theus
OT Avery Young
OG Christian Westerman
OG Joe Dahl
OG Connor McGovern
OG Vidal Alexander
OG Landon Turner
OG Anthony Fabiano
OG Denver Kirkland
OG Alex Redmond
OG Isiah Cage
OC Jack Allen
OC Evan Boehm
OC Austin Blythe
OC Matt Skura
DE Ronald Blair
DE Romeo Okwara
DE Lawrence Thomas
DE DJ Pettway
DE Drew Ott
DE Shawn Oakman
DT Andrew Billings
DT Hassan Ridgeway
DT DJ Reader
DT Nile Lawrence-Stample
DT Antwaun Woods
OLB De'Vondre Campbell
OLB Ishaq Williams
OLB Tyrone Holmes
OLB Ian Seau
OLB Dillon Lee
ILB BJ Goodson
ILB Scooby Wright
ILB Antonio Morrison
ILB Reggie Northrup
ILB Cassanova McKinzy
CB Jalen Mills
CB Ryan Smith
CB Zack Sanchez
CB Maurice Canady
CB Harlan Miller
CB LeShaun Sims
FS Tyvus Powell
FS Doeiondre' Hall
FS Trae Elston
FS Jamal Golden
SS Jeremy Cash
SS Mile Killebrew
SS KJ Dillon
SS Jayong Kearse
SS Derrick Kindred
SS Elijah Shumate
K John Lunsford
P Tom Hacket
P Lachlan Edwards
LS Nathan Theus

That's quite a wish list. Punter and long snappers, also? Might have been shorter to list who wasn't on your wish list.

[stuckincincy]

That's quite a wish list. Punter and long snappers, also? Might have been shorter to list who wasn't on your wish list.

All bases covered, Cap'n ! :kid:

[YardRat]

And there goes Cook to the Raiders.

[stuckincincy]

And there goes Cook to the Raiders.

What in the world is CLE doing with 12 draft picks? 12 rookies???? I bet they peddle some picks off for next year.

[feldspar]

Too bad Cook is gone.

Which QB will the Bills take now, if any?

[YardRat]

What in the world is CLE doing with 12 draft picks? 12 rookies???? I bet they peddle some picks off for next year.

Moneyball, baby.

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Too bad Cook is gone.

Which QB will the Bills take now, if any?

I'm hoping for Prescott or Coker.

[stuckincincy]

Hahaha - CLE zaps Jerry Jones outta Cook. :lmao:

[stuckincincy]

Another decent pick for JAX...DT Sheldon Day.

[feldspar]

The Raiders would be among the last teams to draft Cook, I would have thought...much less trading up to get him.

[YardRat]

Going to be interesting to see who Chicago takes with the pick Buffalo gave them (#117).

[stuckincincy]

The Raiders would be among the last teams to draft Cook, I would have thought...much less trading up to get him.

Ah - the raiders traded with CLE. Thx.

[YardRat]

TE Higbee is gone. Might as well ignore that position for the rest of the day, IMO...grab one from the leftovers as an UDFA.

[YardRat]

Pharoah Cooper to the LA Rams.

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That's where Buffalo was drafting BTW, Bears traded it to the Rams.

[paladin warrior]

Damn it !

[sudzy]

Another decent pick for JAX...DT Sheldon Day.

The Jags are going to have a very nice defense for years to come (on paper, at least) after this weekend

[sudzy]

Jets go Juston Burris CB

[YardRat]

OT Beaver to Vikings.

And Billings goes to the Bengals.

[sudzy]

Beavers then Billings. Crap and crap

[stuckincincy]

A Mike Brown Value Pick! A Mike Brown Value Pick! DT Billings. :jig:

[sudzy]

I have the feeling the Bills pick will either be a QB or a "who the hell is that?" pick

[YardRat]

LOL...the NFLN crew had to go to break because they couldn't handle picks of Beaver and Bush so close together.

[stuckincincy]

I have the feeling the Bills pick will either be a QB or a "who the hell is that?" pick

I sure hope they put their peepers on some OLs.

[feldspar]

LOL...the NFLN crew had to go to break because they couldn't handle picks of Beaver and Bush so close together.

LOL

Willie Beavers, too. There is a contradiction in there, I'm pretty sure. Sounds like a good porn star name for a strange type of specialized genre, most likely dealing with hermaphrodites.

"Willie Beavers, the person who has it all...literally."

[stuckincincy]

Four BUF picks left:

4th 139 (comp)
5th 156
6th 192
6th 218 (comp)

[sudzy]

We are into the Comp picks

[YardRat]

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Charone Peake, WR,Clemson
Kenny Lawler, WR, California / De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St / Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson / Spencer Drango, OT, Baylor
Tyler Higbee, TE, Western Kentucky / John Theus, OT, Georgia
Avery Young, OG, Auburn / Tyler Matakevich, ILB, Temple / Dak Prescott, QB Miss State
Fahn Cooper, OT, Ole Miss / DJ Reader, DT, Clemson / Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford
Antwione Williams, OLB, Georgia Southern / Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State / Jake Coker, QB, Alabama / Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

Lotta guys left...

[Generalissimus Gibby]

LOL

Willie Beavers, too. There is a contradiction in there, I'm pretty sure. Sounds like a good porn star name for a strange type of specialized genre, most likely dealing with hermaphrodites.

"Willie Beavers, the person who has it all...literally."

Wow with a name like that, he really can go **** himself.

[sudzy]

Prescott is there for the taking

[feldspar]

Wow with a name like that, he really can go **** himself.

Ha,ha!

Gotta love it.

[YardRat]

****...there goes Prescott to Dallas. Balls.

[Ed]

It looks like it's going to be Cardale Jones to the Bills with Prescott going to the Cowboys.

[sudzy]

God damn you Jerry Jones

[sudzy]

Not a huge Cardale Jones fan. But, it's only a late 4th, it might be worth the risk

[feldspar]

****...there goes Prescott to Dallas. Balls.

How come the Bills get the LAST compensatory pick in the 4th round exactly?

[mysticsoto]

****...there goes Prescott to Dallas. Balls.

****! I thought he was going to fall in our lap!

[sudzy]

Maybe Hogan or Coker?

[cookie G]

Joe Dahl or Kyle Murphy, I guess

At least make a half assed attempt to improve the right side of the line.

[Turf]

I'm thinking WR or OL.

[sudzy]

And the next Bills QB is?

[cookie G]

ROFL

[YardRat]

And the pick is...

Cardale Jones.

Hmmm...

[Ed]

Cardale Jones. I've been guessing he'd be a Bill with their last 4th round pick for a while.

[cookie G]

Ah well..maybe he can be a change of pace at times.

[YardRat]

Not a fan of this pick, but what the hell at least they drafted one.

[YardRat]

OK, need a OT/G, WR, and S/LB with the last three picks.

[The Jokeman]

Not a fan of this pick, but what the hell at least they drafted one.

He wasn't my favorite QB prospect yet at least we didn't reach for him.

[feldspar]

Gotta believe the Bills were going to take Prescott, who I woohoo like much better.

Also, the Bills have gotta be the only team with 4 black QBs on their roster. Just an observation.

[sudzy]

Don't love the pick, but, it was only a late 4th, so we'll see. Bills would be smart to sign a veteran guy as #2 and let Cardale hold a clipboard for a year or two. Let him learn something before you throw him to the wolves.

[feldspar]

Don't love the pick, but, it was only a late 4th, so we'll see. Bills would be smart to sign a veteran guy as #2 and let Cardale hold a clipboard for a year or two. Let him learn something before you throw him to the wolves.

I don't think he'll ever be worth anything. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't like the pick at all.

[stuckincincy]

Some OL prospects, please? :pray:

[YardRat]

Gotta believe the Bills were going to take Prescott, who I woohoo like much better.

Also, the Bills have gotta be the only team with 4 black QBs on their roster. Just an observation.

If you include 2013, Whaley has drafted two caucasians total...PK Hopkins and TE O'Leary.

[Scumbag College]

With Beavers and McGovern off the board, would like the Bills to take Dahl out of Wash St. Versatile G/T backup, which would be valuable to have.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Not a fan of this pick, but what the hell at least they drafted one.
And you cannot call it a reach. If he flubs its not like EJ or Geno

[YardRat]

Shiiiiit...OT Theus just went to San Fran.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Gotta believe the Bills were going to take Prescott, who I woohoo like much better.

Also, the Bills have gotta be the only team with 4 black QBs on their roster. Just an observation.

We need meathead to provide commentary, but yeah that has got to be unusual

[The Natrix]

Jones is a complete waste of a pick.

[cookie G]

With Beavers and McGovern off the board, would like the Bills to take Dahl out of Wash St. Versatile G/T backup, which would be valuable to have.

Christian Westerman is a possiblity. Only 300, but strong as a bull. Auburn transfer to Arizona St. 2nd team all Pac 12

[stuckincincy]

Shiiiiit...OT Theus just went to San Fran.

3 OLs picked in the last 6 selections...

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Jones is a complete waste of a pick.

He's essentially a fifth rounder so I can live with it.

[swiper]

Complete garbage 4th round Whaley

[Fixxxer]

Jones is a complete waste of a pick.

Is it? please expand your thoughts.

He's a guy that flashed some potential with a good arm. I know it's not very important but for a big guy he can really move. I think the value was there (almost a 5th rounder) for him to be a good gamble.

[Ed]

Jones is a complete waste of a pick.
Most qbs are, but you still have to try.

[sudzy]

I don't think he'll ever be worth anything. Hope I'm wrong, but I don't like the pick at all.

Not the 1st forth round they threw away. This guy had Doug Whaley written all over him

[The Jokeman]

Christian Westerman is a possiblity. Only 300, but strong as a bull. Auburn transfer to Arizona St. 2nd team all Pac 12

Doubtful. The Bills seem to like guys with size and think as small as Weatherman is it makes him better in a zone scheme.

[mysticsoto]

At the point we grabbed him (almost 5th rd) everybody left was a project. I might have gone w/Hogan instead, but make no mistake, they are all projects...

[cookie G]

Joe Dahl's out.

[psubills62]

Not a fan of Jones. Best thing I can say about him is that he's freaking hard to tackle. Oh well. Looking forward to seeing where we go with the next picks.

[Mr. Pink]

Liked the first two picks, dislike the next two picks.

First two picks are good enough to offset the top 4 to a solid B thus far.

[Scumbag College]

Damn...not too excited about any OL left. WR could come in and get some playing time immediately so I'd go there or safety.

[stuckincincy]

Joe Dahl's out.

I hope they don't get a hair up and and select a RB. They plucked Wilder, Jr. from Cincy's PS last year.

[Bill Cody]

Liked the first two picks, dislike the next two picks.

First two picks are good enough to offset the top 4 to a solid B thus far.

Agree. Billings was rated higher everywhere than Washington. And Jones is a wasted pick. Rather have EJ. There were still some decent OT prospects on the board at that point. Prescott would have been worth a shot. With him gone I would have gone OT.

[stuckincincy]

Decent 5th rnd DT pick by WAS - Matthew Ioannidis from Temple.

[feldspar]

If you include 2013, Whaley has drafted two caucasians total...PK Hopkins and TE O'Leary.

Interesting.

It occurred to me that the Patriots have gotta have the whitest offense in the league. If they start with a 3 WR set, they have 8 white starters on offense...just the Guards and RB are black or something like that, but they even have a RB NAMED White.

Just an observation.

[Mr. Pink]

And the next Buffalo Bill is.............

RB Jonathan Williams Arkansas.

[cookie G]

Yes...!!! A rb!!!

[sudzy]

I hope they don't get a hair up and and select a RB. They plucked Wilder, Jr. from Cincy's PS last year.

You called it

[YardRat]

Wow, today is going downhill pretty quickly.

[Mr. Pink]

Jonathan Williams has the potential to be a good short yardage/goal line back.

But Karlos Williams can already do that stuff.

J. Williams would have been a good pick up here for a team who had a need for a short yardage guy, don't see the fit here.

[cookie G]

Doubtful. The Bills seem to like guys with size and think as small as Weatherman is it makes him better in a zone scheme.

well..we apparently didn't want anyone.


We're happy being a bottom 5 pass blocking team

[sudzy]

And a Williams no less

[psubills62]

I just don't get why they feel the need to take a RB every year. In addition to trading for Lesean McCoy. I really don't understand.

[tomz]

Special teams value?

[cookie G]

I just don't get why they feel the need to take a RB every year. In addition to trading for Lesean McCoy. I really don't understand.

Its the same reason we rebuild the D every year and a half.

Its what we do.

[sudzy]

well..we apparently didn't want anyone.


We're happy being a bottom 5 pass blocking team

Why not we are looking to run all the time. You have a RB at QB, then you draft a bigger RB at QB.

[stuckincincy]

You called it

Sadly... :teary:

In Rnd 5, don't take flyers on RBs - there's no end of them in the UFDA ranks.

[Mr. Pink]

Why not we are looking to run all the time. You have a RB at QB, then you draft a bigger RB at QB.

We can just run the wishbone offense and put in some play action passes in randomly to keep teams a little off balance.

Cardale, McCoy, Williams and Williams all in the backfield at the same time!

[feldspar]

And the next Buffalo Bill is.............

RB Jonathan Williams Arkansas.

Ugh, I honestly thought that you were kidding.

RB????

Makes no sense to me, other than the fact that his last name is Williams. You just cannot have enough ficking Williams on your team...now we have TWO Williams at RB alone. Stockpiling Williams.

Must be because we lost Mario Williams, so we had to replace him with another Williams. Had to meet the Williams quota...

[mysticsoto]

Okay, this pick I can't defend...I would have liked an Olineman or a raw talent S or WR...

[Mr. Pink]

The Titans just selected a corner, Leshaun Sims, who has the potential to be a number 1 CB.

Good size, good speed, very good press corner.

Would have rather the Bills taken him.

[sudzy]

We can just run the wishbone offense and put in some play action passes in randomly to keep teams a little off balance.

Cardale, McCoy, Williams and Williams all in the backfield at the same time!

OK which Williams is the B back? Which Williams is the Z?

[John Doe]

The Titans just selected a corner, Leshaun Sims, who has the potential to be a number 1 CB.

Good size, good speed, very good press corner.

Would have rather the Bills taken him.

Nobody would have complained about that one!

[stuckincincy]

Since they seem determined to ignore OL, I suggest they invoke every team's fall-back position when they are scratching their fannies - grab DBs.

[Mr. Pink]

Nobody would have complained about that one!

You can never have too many corners in this league nowadays.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

First three rounds I thought were solid, Jones I disagree with but understand taking the risk, this pick was just stupid

[psubills62]

There has to be some sort of script they follow for the late rounds. Well, we're in the 5th round, Doug, and the script says...RB!

I'm thinking that with as many needs as we have, we'll draft a kicker in the 6th round. And then a punter.

[stuckincincy]

CIN taps OL Christian Westerman. I'm pretty sure they will try to work him in at Center

[kingJofNYC]

I don't think drafting Williams is such a bad idea. Hear me out. Karlos, he was hurt a lot and suffered concussions, that's not good. Now this kid was drafted has had injuries, but he's really elusive, top 5 elusive rating in 2014 per PFF. We need insurance and a lot of guys liked him, he was just hurt. Our O went nowhere when McCoy went out, Karlos was injured, Mike G isn't what I want in 3rd back.

[sudzy]

Whaley needs to draft a RB in every draft. Get the mandatory CB, next round and we can call it a day.

[The Natrix]

Most qbs are, but you still have to try.

I actually wanted them to go QB. The problem is Jones is total garbage.

[CoolBreeze]

Does everyone forget when every RB was injured? We were down to Cierre Wood and Ricky Seale at one point. If they going to get a RB why not a baller. Johnathon Williams is better than Gillislee

[paladin warrior]

What the heck RB for?? Need WR and RT

[pmoon6]

Nobody would have complained about that one!You underestimate the negativity of Bills' Fans.

[The Jokeman]

What the heck RB for?? Need WR and RT

2nd Round talent in Round 5. It's called building a roster. At this stage most of the guys taken be STers.

[The Jokeman]

Whaley needs to draft a RB in every draft. Get the mandatory CB, next round and we can call it a day.
We have two picks in Round 6.

[Albany,n.y.]

What the heck RB for?? Need WR and RT

It's the 5th round. At this points it's BPA on their board. Any contribution from this point on is pure luck, especially trying to fill immediate needs. It's easier to pick up a veteran off waivers than get a late round rookie contributor-that's what the 1st 2 days were for.

[BillsImpossible]

2nd Round talent in Round 5. It's called building a roster. At this stage most of the guys taken be STers.

The Bills needed another Williams to replace Mario for lack of Williams'.

I love the pick because Karlos Williams and LeSean McCoy both got injured last season.

[stuckincincy]

It's the 5th round. At this points it's BPA on their board. Any contribution from this point on is pure luck, especially trying to fill immediate needs. It's easier to pick up a veteran off waivers than get a late round rookie contributor-that's what the 1st 2 days were for.

Isn't their cap money pool weak for picking up vets off waivers?

[BillsImpossible]

Moritz Boehringer anyone?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/moritz-boehringer?id=2556261

[stuckincincy]

DEN breaks the ice and selects a FB - Andy Janovich ,Nebraska.

[pmoon6]

It's the 5th round. At this points it's BPA on their board. Any contribution from this point on is pure luck, especially trying to fill immediate needs. It's easier to pick up a veteran off waivers than get a late round rookie contributor-that's what the 1st 2 days were for.Shush. You'll kill the ability of the wankers to cry about every pick from here on out.

Common sense is not their forte.

Countdown to....but..but...but...Tom Brady was taken in the sixth round.

[stuckincincy]

Shush. You'll kill the ability of the wankers to cry about every pick from here on out.

Common sense is not their forte.

Countdown to....but..but...but...Tom Brady was taken in the sixth round.

Why fling rocks at posters? The club has been on the outs looking in, since 1999... :anvil:

[BillsImpossible]

Boehringer to Minnesota, how fitting.

[Mr. Pink]

Good to see Keenan Reynolds get selected.

[stuckincincy]

BUF pick coming up...

[sudzy]

BUF pick coming up...

CB

[stuckincincy]

CB

TE?

[YardRat]

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Charone Peake, WR, Clemson
Kenny Lawler, WR, California / De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St / Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson / Spencer Drango, OT, Baylor
Tyler Higbee, TE, Western Kentucky / John Theus, OT, Georgia
Avery Young, OG, Auburn / Tyler Matakevich, ILB, Temple / Dak Prescott, QB Miss State
Fahn Cooper, OT, Ole Miss / DJ Reader, DT, Clemson / Kevin Hogan, QB, Stanford
Antwione Williams, OLB, Georgia Southern / Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State / Jake Coker, QB, Alabama / Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

Still a few good (IMO) players left.

No tackles...a couple of guards, wide receivers. Still like the FSU kids on defense.

[sudzy]

TE?

Bryce Williams is still there. Fit the name

[swiper]

Kolby Listenbee WR TCU

[mysticsoto]

I'm ok with this pick. Deep threat prospect. But he'll probably be in the PS for a bit...

[YardRat]

Well, obviously today is all about less-lustrous new offensive toys.

[stuckincincy]

Oh my. :;:

Jeeze, why not take a look at *any* OL that's not going to be a street FA?

[swiper]

http://www.frogsowar.com/2016/4/25/11486070/nfl-draft-profile-kolby-listenbee


The Buzz

A self-proclaimed "freshman with no confidence," (http://www.frogsowar.com/2015/8/13/9152009/listenbee-was-once-a-freshman-with-no-confidence) Listenbee's first two seasons at TCU were rather quiet. He played nine games in his first year, recording just one catch for the whole season. Sophomore year wasn't much different -- in seven games, he had just two receptions.

Things changed come junior year. Listenbee bloomed into a starting position and became one of the best receivers on the team, recording 41 receptions for 753 yards and four touchdowns. When Trevone Boykin sent the ball deep down the left sideline, you could guess who the target was -- Listenbee.

His 2014 Peach Bowl performance, in particular, was one for the highlight reel. In the first quarter, he channeled his former high school quarterback self and threw a 31-yard touchdown pass on a trick play. Later, he'd catch a tight 35-yard touchdown pass while double-teamed by Ole Miss defenders.

Another track star turned WR.

[sudzy]

Good value. I've seen him as a 4th rounder

[sudzy]

Bye bye Marques Goodwin.

Kind of the same guy. Under 200#. Let's see if he can hold up to the beating.

[sahlensguy]

I like how he battles for balls. Would like to see more seperation for all that speed though. > Goodwin.

[mysticsoto]

Bye bye Marques Goodwin.

Agreed. Getting rid of Goodwin has the team with all WRs > 6'0". Not bad and Rex is sticking with tall WR philosophy...I like it!

Listenbee is still a project however, so I'm not going to jump to conclusions yet...speedsters don't automatically develop into good WRs...but his improvement last year earned him a chance to see if he is capable of developing further...

[stuckincincy]

CIN is due for another WR or LB pick.

[mysticsoto]

I like the Lions pick - DE Zettel. He'll be an excellent back up who could see rotational time...

[YardRat]

lol...LONG-SNAPPERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!

[sudzy]

Who's left on your board Yardrat?

[paladin warrior]

Need a kicker

[sudzy]

Need a kicker

Ross Martin Duke?

[YardRat]

CB Kevon Seymour USC

[paladin warrior]

CB Kevon Seymour USC
Phht

[The Jokeman]

CB Kevon Seymour USC
STer/depth CB.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

They couldn't do it. Couldn't go a full day without another db and rb. An addict needing their fix lol.

[mysticsoto]

Meh...what you would expect at this pt...a ST player. Likely won't amount to more than that.

All in all, I give our 1st and 2nd day an A+ and maybe a B-/C+ for the final day. Early rd grabs catapults the overall to probably a A-/B+. If we had gotten Cook, it prob would have been an A regardless of the rest of the picks...

[sudzy]

Whaley needs to draft a RB in every draft. Get the mandatory CB, next round and we can call it a day.

Whoomp there it is

[stuckincincy]

Sure-fire sellouts can beget hubris.

[YardRat]

Who's left on your board Yardrat?

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Kenny Lawler, WR, California
De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St
Avery Young, OG, Auburn
Tyler Matakevich, ILB, Temple
Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State
Jake Coker, QB, Alabama
Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

I'll take a few as UDFA's if they make it thru the seventh.

[YardRat]

Meh...what you would expect at this pt...a ST player. Likely won't amount to more than that.

All in all, I give our 1st and 2nd day an A+ and maybe a B-/C+ for the final day. Early rd grabs catapults the overall to probably a A-/B+. If we had gotten Cook, it prob would have been an A regardless of the rest of the picks...

I'll give it a B- based on ignoring oline, safety, TE and a true NT.

Two definite (Lawson, Ragland) and maybe three (Washington) starters for a defense that badly needed bodies is a big plus.

A project QB...OK. Listenbee may not be a WR I would have targeted, but they did need to add a body. Not thrilled with passing over the positions I mentioned earlier in favor of a RB and a CB. Just for the record, I wasn't thrilled with the Karlos pick last year either and (depending on if he can stay healthy) certainly admit to mis-judging/whiffing on him.

[stuckincincy]

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
Kenny Lawler, WR, California
De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St
Avery Young, OG, Auburn
Tyler Matakevich, ILB, Temple
Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State
Jake Coker, QB, Alabama
Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

I'll take a few as UDFA's if they make it thru the seventh.

Have to be, re OLs.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Only complaint is no OL help in the fifth. Oh well, we sign some bodies as undrafted free agents we will be okay. Overall A-

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They couldn't do it. Couldn't go a full day without another db and rb. An addict needing their fix lol.

Remember when they did that in day one?

[stuckincincy]

CHI picked WR Braverman. He garnered six "official" visits. Nice 7th rnd prospect for Da Bears - he reminds me of Wayne Chrebet.

[YardRat]

3 punters now drafted. 1 kicker, 1 long snapper.

[stuckincincy]

Jets ought to pick any TE out there.

[sudzy]

Meh...what you would expect at this pt...a ST player. Likely won't amount to more than that.

All in all, I give our 1st and 2nd day an A+ and maybe a B-/C+ for the final day. Early rd grabs catapults the overall to probably a A-/B+. If we had gotten Cook, it prob would have been an A regardless of the rest of the picks...

Lawson and Ragland are A+s. Hard to imagine doing any better. Washington is a B+, fits in the rotation day 1 adds to the pass rush. I'll cop out on Jones and give him an incomplete. I want to give it a D, but, if you shelf him for a few years he might be something. Williams and Listenbee are both Bs great value picks. Didn't see a need at RB and Listenbee isn't an all around WR. Seymour is a C-, he'll be lucky to make the team. O-line is ignored again. Overall I give it a B+ Two potential Pro-bowlers, one steady contributor, two guys that have a good shot at seeing the field this year.

[YardRat]

Charone Peake to the Jets. I lost track of him apparently...thought he was already off the board.

[YardRat]

****. Lawler to the 'Hawks. I really like that kid.

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And Jayron Kearse to the Vikes. Dammit.

[YardRat]

Matakevitch to Pittsburgh.

[DraftBoy]

QB Cardale Jones is a good potential pick and if he can sit for a year, or two, and learn then maybe you have something.

Don't get the RB pick at all, but not entirely surprised.

Listenbee is a great value pick who some had in Round 3 or 4. Not the size guy I wanted but he has ideal speed and knows how to track the ball deep. His route tree is also more developed that Goodwin's is and those are some key differences.

Meh on Seymour.

[Mace]

I'm happy I spent the day cutting grass and doing yardwork. Not real happy with this draft.

[YardRat]

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St
Avery Young, OG, Auburn
Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State
Jake Coker, QB, Alabama
Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

Pickins are gettin' slim.

[swiper]

I'll give it a B- based on ignoring oline, safety, TE and a true NT.

Two definite (Lawson, Ragland) and maybe three (Washington) starters for a defense that badly needed bodies is a big plus.

A project QB...OK. Listenbee may not be a WR I would have targeted, but they did need to add a body. Not thrilled with passing over the positions I mentioned earlier in favor of a RB and a CB. Just for the record, I wasn't thrilled with the Karlos pick last year either and (depending on if he can stay healthy) certainly admit to mis-judging/whiffing on him.


It's a JOKE. First pick has a bum shoulder.
Lots of fans did not want Ragland b/c he can't cover receivers.
The DT is rotational at best. Will make McCargo look useful.
Then Day 3 Whaley feels obliged to go offense and takes the worst QB in the draft along with some no name RB that didn't play in 2015 and a 6th round WR from TCU.

How long is going to be until Roman and Chris Palmer walk right out on the Ryan clowns?

[swiper]

Matakevitch to Pittsburgh.

Great late pick.

[sudzy]

It's a JOKE. First pick has a bum shoulder.
Lots of fans did not want Ragland b/c he can't cover receivers.
The DT is rotational at best. Will make McCargo look useful.
Then Day 3 Whaley feels obliged to go offense and takes the worst QB in the draft along with some no name RB that didn't play in 2015 and a 6th round WR from TCU.

How long is going to be until Roman and Chris Palmer walk right out on the Ryan clowns?

So having said that, what are you giving it as a grade? B? B-?

[DraftBoy]

Some players to watch as the draft comes to an end as UDFA guys:

SS Jeremy Cash - Duke
ILB Scooby Wright III - Arizona
DE Shawn Oakman - Baylor
OG Landon Turner - UNC
OC Jack Allen - Michigan State
DT Antwaun Woods - USC
WR Keyarris Garrett - Tulsa
LB Terrance Smith - FSU

[swiper]

So having said that, what are you giving it as a grade? B? B-?

C at best. It was really just the first 2 picks in my view. The rest was squandered stupidly. Save, perhaps, the kid from TCU in the 6th.

[DraftBoy]

There goes Scooby Wright to Cleveland.

[sudzy]

Some players to watch as the draft comes to an end as UDFA guys:

SS Jeremy Cash - Duke
ILB Scooby Wright III - Arizona
DE Shawn Oakman - Baylor
OG Landon Turner - UNC
OC Jack Allen - Michigan State
DT Antwaun Woods - USC
WR Keyarris Garrett - Tulsa
LB Terrance Smith - FSU

Scooby is worth a look and we need to grab all the scraps at O-line we can get

[cookie G]

I'll give it a B- based on ignoring oline, safety, TE and a true NT.

Two definite (Lawson, Ragland) and maybe three (Washington) starters for a defense that badly needed bodies is a big plus.

A project QB...OK. Listenbee may not be a WR I would have targeted, but they did need to add a body. Not thrilled with passing over the positions I mentioned earlier in favor of a RB and a CB. Just for the record, I wasn't thrilled with the Karlos pick last year either and (depending on if he can stay healthy) certainly admit to mis-judging/whiffing on him.

In the end, it was a typical Bills draft.

Use high draft picks on a couple of guys to fit the new scheme, replacing the guys from the old scheme;

Mid round picks on a long shot and/or another RB.
Ignore other areas of need.

About the same at 3/4 of the Bills during this playoff drought.

In the end...it came away with 2 starters, replacing 2 who weren't kept.

We didn't get "better", just "different".

[sudzy]

C at best. It was really just the first 2 picks in my view. The rest was squandered stupidly. Save, perhaps, the kid from TCU in the 6th.

That's funny. After your rant I had you as an F or at best D. Then you give it a passing grade.

[Mace]

We didn't get "better", just "different".

Not really that much different either.

[DraftBoy]

Rex is saying the Bills are going to run a 5-2 to start. Hughes and Lawson outside. Washington joining Dareus and Williams in the middle.

[swiper]

There goes Scooby Wright to Cleveland.

Another good player for the 7th round.

[BillsImpossible]

I'm happy I spent the day cutting grass and doing yardwork. Not real happy with this draft.

You have clearly not been drinking all day.

[YardRat]

Landon Turner, OG, North Carolina
De-Runnya Wilson, WR, Miss. St
Avery Young, OG, Auburn
Terrance Smith, OLB, Florida State
Jake Coker, QB, Alabama
Nile Lawrence-Stample, DT, Florida State

Pickins are gettin' slim.


C'mon Whaley...get 'er done.

[swiper]

The faster Pegula gets the Ryans, Whaley and Russ Brandon out of town the better.

Until he does all that, he sucks.

[swiper]

C'mon Whaley...get 'er done.

Bills don't have a 7th round pick, do they?

[BillsImpossible]

Bills don't have a 7th round pick, do they?

nope

[BillsImpossible]

The faster Pegula gets the Ryans, Whaley and Russ Brandon out of town the better.

Until he does all that, he sucks.

Got it, Nancy.

[swiper]

In the end, it was a typical Bills draft.

Use high draft picks on a couple of guys to fit the new scheme, replacing the guys from the old scheme;

Mid round picks on a long shot and/or another RB.
Ignore other areas of need.

About the same at 3/4 of the Bills during this playoff drought.

In the end...it came away with 2 starters, replacing 2 who weren't kept.

We didn't get "better", just "different".

Again....

It's a JOKE. First pick has a bum shoulder.
Lots of fans did not want Ragland b/c he can't cover receivers.
The DT is rotational at best. Will make McCargo look useful.
Then Day 3 Whaley feels obliged to go offense and takes the worst QB in the draft along with some no name RB that didn't play in 2015 and a 6th round WR from TCU.

How long is going to be until Roman and Chris Palmer walk right out on the Ryan clowns?

[YardRat]

Bills don't have a 7th round pick, do they?

Draft is over...UDFA time.

Anybody know a good site or two for UDFA info?

[swiper]

Draft is over...UDFA time.

Anybody know a good site or two for UDFA info?

There is one. It's a Patriot site, but it is the best....

I'll see if I can find it.

[swiper]

This is it. Blew up due to traffic:

The link he has listed.

https://twitter.com/nepatriotsdraft

[YardRat]

Rex is saying the Bills are going to run a 5-2 to start. Hughes and Lawson outside. Washington joining Dareus and Williams in the middle.

I was going to say he better not run that against New England unless he wants them to threaten the 100 point mark, but with all of the linemen dropping into coverage it'll look like a 5-2 but play like like a 2-7-2.

[BillsImpossible]

Draft is over...UDFA time.

Anybody know a good site or two for UDFA info?

www.google.com

:blowup:

[swiper]

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2016-nfl-undrafted-free-agents

[DraftBoy]

Bills have signed WR Davonte Allen from Marshall as a UDFA.

[swiper]

New York Jets
Doug Middleton DB App. State
Jalin Marshall WR Ohio State

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AFC East
New England Patriots
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
New York Jets
Doug Middleton DB App. State
Jalin Marshall WR Ohio State

AFC South
Houston Texans
Eric Lee DE South Florida
Indianapolis Colts
Adam Redmond OT Harvard
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans

AFC West
Denver Broncos
Nathan Theus LS Georgia
Frank Shannon LB Oklahoma
Aaron Neary OL Eastern Washington
Kansas City Chiefs
Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens
Anthony Fabiano OG Harvard
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers


NFC East
Dallas Cowboys
Rodney Coe DT Akron
New York Giants
Roger Lewis WR Bowling Green
KJ Maye WR Minnesota
Philadelphia Eagles
Quentin Gause LB Rutgers
Hunter Sharp WR Utah State
Connor Wujciak DL Boston College
Washington Redskins
Anthony Lanier DE Alabama A&M

NFC South
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Saints
Ryker Mathews OL BYU
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Anthony Kelly WR Kutztown

NFC West
Arizona Cardinals
Los Angeles Rams
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks

NFC North
Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings

[DraftBoy]

CB Julian Whigham, Syracuse, to the Bills.

[DraftBoy]

FB Glenn Gronkowski of Kansas State to Buffalo

[SpikedLemonade]

We really need some OL.

I predict that our OL will fall apart this season and our offense will disappoint as a result.

[swiper]

We really need some OL.

I predict that our OL will fall apart this season and our offense will disappoint as a result.

Same thing that happened to Rex in NYC.

[swiper]

In other news the Jets head coach formally announced that they will start the season with Geno Smith as their starting QB. I guess we could be worse off than we are.

[DraftBoy]

LB Eric Striker (OU) to Bills.

Purdue OC Robert Kugler to Bills.

[Mace]

FB Glenn Gronkowski of Kansas State to Buffalo

Surprised no one spent a pick on him.

[Mace]

In other news the Jets head coach formally announced that they will start the season with Geno Smith as their starting QB. I guess we could be worse off than we are.

With a year under Bowles, have a feeling they'll have a better defense. The guy is a relentless blitzer when he gets his ducks in a row, and I mean relentless.

[DraftBoy]

Rutgers OT Keith Lumpkin to Bills

[YardRat]

Charlie Casserly just pegged Ragland as his early pick for DROTY.

[mysticsoto]

I'll give it a B- based on ignoring oline, safety, TE and a true NT.

Two definite (Lawson, Ragland) and maybe three (Washington) starters for a defense that badly needed bodies is a big plus.

A project QB...OK. Listenbee may not be a WR I would have targeted, but they did need to add a body. Not thrilled with passing over the positions I mentioned earlier in favor of a RB and a CB. Just for the record, I wasn't thrilled with the Karlos pick last year either and (depending on if he can stay healthy) certainly admit to mis-judging/whiffing on him.


We really need some OL.

I predict that our OL will fall apart this season and our offense will disappoint as a result.

Why do people keep saying this as though our Oline was bad last year? We finished with the #1 rushing attack in the NFL last year - ahead of the Panthers who went to the superbowl. I'd say our Oline did just fine. Could they be better? Of course, they could always be better, but even w/injuries on the right side, we still did well.

And w/r/t NT Yardie, Rex doesn't really run a traditional 3-4. His hybrid variation is pretty complex and DB already said (and I came to this conclusion also based on who he drafted) that he will likely run a 5-2. And if you notice, pretty much ALL the DL are penetrators. I'd like to know who the other teams are going to double team? Dareus? Kyle can penetrate if he's back to full form. So can Shaq and Hughes. No matter which way you look at it, it's going to be hard to block all the DL each and every time. Someone on that line is getting thru. I like our Dline next year! I like them alot!!!

[DraftBoy]

LSU LS Reid Ferguson to Bills

[mysticsoto]

LB Eric Striker (OU) to Bills.

Purdue OC Robert Kugler to Bills.

I think Striker could make for a backup role here. Good pickup...

[YardRat]

Why do people keep saying this as though our Oline was bad last year? We finished with the #1 rushing attack in the NFL last year - ahead of the Panthers who went to the superbowl. I'd say our Oline did just fine. Could they be better? Of course, they could always be better, but even w/injuries on the right side, we still did well.

And w/r/t NT Yardie, Rex doesn't really run a traditional 3-4. His hybrid variation is pretty complex and DB already said (and I came to this conclusion also based on who he drafted) that he will likely run a 5-2. And if you notice, pretty much ALL the DL are penetrators. I'd like to know who the other teams are going to double team? Dareus? Kyle can penetrate if he's back to full form. So can Shaq and Hughes. No matter which way you look at it, it's going to be hard to block all the DL each and every time. Someone on that line is getting thru. I like our Dline next year! I like them alot!!!

Wreck's defense was most successful when he had, and utilized, traditional NT's in Baltimore.

We'll see. I didn't buy his 'genius' last year, and I'm certainly not biting this year either.

A 5-2 is just a different spin on a 34 with 46 aspects, with multiple options for run-blitzing, pass rushing, dropping into coverage, depending on the reads and the calls. It's the alleged 'complexity' of Wrecks' defense that kills him.

So he's going to line up 5 guys close to the line (which he did last season)...big deal. It's still 3 linemen and 2 outside 'backers.

[DraftBoy]

Az St WR Gary Chambers to Bills

[billsfanryan]

LB Eric Striker (OU) to Bills.

Purdue OC Robert Kugler to Bills.

I love Striker! He's going to come in here super motivated. He's undersized but relentless and an emotional leader.

[DraftBoy]

UB QB Joe Licata to Bills on try-out basis.

[DraftBoy]

Iowa State OC Jamison Lalk to Bills

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Ferris State DT Justin Zimmer to Bills.

[DraftBoy]

NW St WR/RS Ed Eagan, LSU LS Reid Ferguson also to the Bills.

[cookie G]

Why do people keep saying this as though our Oline was bad last year? We finished with the #1 rushing attack in the NFL last year - ahead of the Panthers who went to the superbowl. I'd say our Oline did just fine. Could they be better? Of course, they could always be better, but even w/injuries on the right side, we still did well.

Because you're only looking at 1/2 of the equation. In passing blocking, they were bottom 5 in the league in terms of sacks allowed/attempt. They gave up a whopping 42 sacks despite throwing the fewest times in the league. The right side, with Miller and the RT clan, was one of worst in the league.

What's it matter? Once again, the Bills finished in the bottom 5 in passing. This is despite investing multiple no. 1's in a franchise reciever and paying top dawg money on a TE.

Forever changing the defensive scheme has kept this franchise out of the playoffs for 16 years.

And..likely 17.

[DraftBoy]

Miami (OH) DE Bryson Albright to Bills.

[YardRat]

Because you're only looking at 1/2 of the equation. In passing blocking, they were bottom 5 in the league in terms of sacks allowed/attempt. They gave up a whopping 42 sacks despite throwing the fewest times in the league. The right side, with Miller and the RT clan, was one of worst in the league.

What's it matter? Once again, the Bills finished in the bottom 5 in passing. This is despite investing multiple no. 1's in a franchise reciever and paying top dawg money on a TE.

Forever changing the defensive scheme has kept this franchise out of the playoffs for 16 years.

And..likely 17.


The #1 rushing attack is a mirage, inflated by a running QB.

The oline needs improvement more than some would like to admit.

[Mace]

The #1 rushing attack is a mirage, inflated by a running QB.

The oline needs improvement more than some would like to admit.

OL love to run block, it's straight forward attack. They'll near always do it better than pass block. I think teams will note they can stack the box toward Glenn & Incognito and dare the Bills to run behind Miller and whoever RT guy is. Then we'll have to pass and it won't go well. They all have a year of film on what we'll do and how we'll do it. I don't think it will go so well this year, or if it does it will be because teams are happy giving up rushes and clock for field goal attempts while they're scoring touchdowns.

[DraftBoy]

UGA PK Marshall Morgan to Bills.

[The Natrix]

The Bills are lucky that Shaq fell so far. If he was gone, this draft might look like complete trash.

[mysticsoto]

Wreck's defense was most successful when he had, and utilized, traditional NT's in Baltimore.

We'll see. I didn't buy his 'genius' last year, and I'm certainly not biting this year either.

A 5-2 is just a different spin on a 34 with 46 aspects, with multiple options for run-blitzing, pass rushing, dropping into coverage, depending on the reads and the calls. It's the alleged 'complexity' of Wrecks' defense that kills him.

So he's going to line up 5 guys close to the line (which he did last season)...big deal. It's still 3 linemen and 2 outside 'backers.


Because you're only looking at 1/2 of the equation. In passing blocking, they were bottom 5 in the league in terms of sacks allowed/attempt. They gave up a whopping 42 sacks despite throwing the fewest times in the league. The right side, with Miller and the RT clan, was one of worst in the league.

What's it matter? Once again, the Bills finished in the bottom 5 in passing. This is despite investing multiple no. 1's in a franchise reciever and paying top dawg money on a TE.

Forever changing the defensive scheme has kept this franchise out of the playoffs for 16 years.

And..likely 17.

Yardie, I prefer the idea of having 4 penetraters right on the line. There wasn't a Haloti-type NT in the draft that would have been perfect for that type of role, so I don't have a problem doing what he is doing instead.

Yeah, Cookie, I know the pass blocking was subpar - we've gotten run specific blockers to implement Roman's offense. This offense will have a great rushing attack again this year. If we can stop other people from scoring, we'll put people at a disadvantage pretty quickly due to our running game that takes more time off the clock. In theory, it's great. They still need to execute it. I understand fully the complaint of changing defenses...I felt like this last year. This year, I've decided to move on. As Bills fans, we can't dwell in the past or we'll become eternally depressed. We have to let it go and believe in what is currently being done - I mean, personally, I loved the Pettine and the Schwarz def. Didn't like Rex trying to change it last year and forcing a change with people that weren't right for what he wanted to do. But it's done and he's intent on implementing his def. We're committed now. Time to support and hope it succeeds. I look at the personnel we have, and atleast right now, it makes me smile. Let's hope my optimism isn't misplaced...

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Yardie, I prefer the idea of having 4 penetraters right on the line. There wasn't a Haloti-type NT in the draft that would have been perfect for that type of role, so I don't have a problem doing what he is doing instead.

Ngata is not a nose tackle .

[YardRat]

Yardie, I prefer the idea of having 4 penetraters right on the line. There wasn't a Haloti-type NT in the draft that would have been perfect for that type of role, so I don't have a problem doing what he is doing instead.


So do I, that's why they should be playing a 43. Wrecks' "5-2" is still three linemen "right on the line", and 2 OLB's wide. Hughes or Lawson may squeeze in tighter depending on what the offense is showing from time to time, but that's still a 34 showing blitz, and that's when the issues with getting the right calls, getting guys in the right spots, and being ready to "go" at the snap come into play.

If Wryan wasn't guaranteed to see a third year before the draft, he sure is now, because he has the excuse 'it takes a while for these guys to develop, give it another year' built in for when the defense fails once again.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

The #1 rushing attack is a mirage, inflated by a running QB.

The oline needs improvement more than some would like to admit.

Take away every one of Tyrod Taylor and EJ Manuel's runs and yardage, and the Bills rushed 388 times for 1800 yards last year. That's still 13th with a Y/A of 4.63, good for 5th. Taylor did improve our rush game, but he didn't make it from whole cloth.

[YardRat]

Take away every one of Tyrod Taylor and EJ Manuel's runs and yardage, and the Bills rushed 388 times for 1800 yards last year. That's still 13th with a Y/A of 4.63, good for 5th. Taylor did improve our rush game, but he didn't make it from whole cloth.

Going from first to thirteenth is most certainly a decent drop in performance. McCoy averaged 4.4. Karlos 5.6, Gillislee 5.7. Taylor and EJ accounted for more than 25% of the total rushing yardage, a significant amount. If we've already got a 'workhorse' with that YPC and two back-ups that are better why do we need to use another draft pick on a fourth guy? That's not even taking into account how many of Tyrod's runs weren't actually called, but due to pressure from sub-par pass blocking.

This oline is average, and that's being generous. Going into an off-season with a perspective of upgrades are unnecessary is an egregious oversight.

[BillsImpossible]

Going from first to thirteenth is most certainly a decent drop in performance. McCoy averaged 4.4. Karlos 5.6, Gillislee 5.7. Taylor and EJ accounted for more than 25% of the total rushing yardage, a significant amount. If we've already got a 'workhorse' with that YPC and two back-ups that are better why do we need to use another draft pick on a fourth guy? That's not even taking into account how many of Tyrod's runs weren't actually called, but due to pressure from sub-par pass blocking.

This oline is average, and that's being generous. Going into an off-season with a perspective of upgrades are unnecessary is an egregious oversight.

The Cowboys had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL last year. They didn't make the playoffs.

The Broncos had one of the worse offensive lines in the NFL last year. They won the Super Bowl.

[mysticsoto]

Ngata is not a nose tackle .

No, you're right. He was moved alot and has played NT, but it's not his real position. I probably should have said Haloti-sized NT. But frankly, it matters little. We already have a huge space eater on the roster if Rex was really interested in implementing the traditional NT position. TJ Barnes is 6'7 and like 364 lbs. Everything Rex is showing has everyone up front being able to penetrate with a run stuffing ILB in Ragland to stop anyone from coming through. Frankly, I like how the defense looks...atleast on paper.

[mysticsoto]

So do I, that's why they should be playing a 43. Wrecks' "5-2" is still three linemen "right on the line", and 2 OLB's wide. Hughes or Lawson may squeeze in tighter depending on what the offense is showing from time to time, but that's still a 34 showing blitz, and that's when the issues with getting the right calls, getting guys in the right spots, and being ready to "go" at the snap come into play.

If Wryan wasn't guaranteed to see a third year before the draft, he sure is now, because he has the excuse 'it takes a while for these guys to develop, give it another year' built in for when the defense fails once again.

So what you're really saying is that you don't like Rex's D, correct? That I can't say anything on...that's a personal choice. I neither like it nor dislike it. I am just supporting it since it's what we got right now. I've already stated that I strongly liked both Pettine and Schwarz' D and hated changing it when it was so successful. But, it is done and I'm not going to keep crying over spilled milk for years and years. I complained last yr and with good reason. Our D sucked. It's a new yr and Rex has the pieces he needs. I will support it and hope it succeeds now. We don't need another coach coming in with "his way" and then taking another few yrs while he dismantles Rex's players to implement his own.

If there are no major injuries, I think we have the personnel in place to be successful and finally make the playoff.

[mysticsoto]

Going from first to thirteenth is most certainly a decent drop in performance. McCoy averaged 4.4. Karlos 5.6, Gillislee 5.7. Taylor and EJ accounted for more than 25% of the total rushing yardage, a significant amount. If we've already got a 'workhorse' with that YPC and two back-ups that are better why do we need to use another draft pick on a fourth guy? That's not even taking into account how many of Tyrod's runs weren't actually called, but due to pressure from sub-par pass blocking.

This oline is average, and that's being generous. Going into an off-season with a perspective of upgrades are unnecessary is an egregious oversight.

I don't totally disagree, but again, they are probably picking BPA at that point - not based on need. That HAS to be the reason they went with the RB (which I hated). But it also may be that they rated the remaining OL as poor. The left side of our Oline is solid. It's the right side that could be a little more stable. But again, there were injuries last year that caused some changes there. I, for one, think Miller will be better this yr and Henderson looked good at times...needs to be more consistent, but there's definitely potential. I think next yr we need to draft Wood's replacement...

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Going from first to thirteenth is most certainly a decent drop in performance.

Well... obviously. I shaved almost 120 plays off our season total, of course we are going to fall down the raw rankings. My point is that even with all the QB rushes removed (and all the broken plays) we still finished above average in rushing and top 5 in efficiency. That's not all from Taylor, or line does a good job at run blocking. I would have definitely preferred to add more OL talent, though after the 4th round a team should be going BPA regardless of position.


McCoy averaged 4.4. Karlos 5.6, Gillislee 5.7. Taylor and EJ accounted for more than 25% of the total rushing yardage, a significant amount. If we've already got a 'workhorse' with that YPC and two back-ups that are better why do we need to use another draft pick on a fourth guy?

Our top two backs have concussion histories and Gilleslie, while he ended on a good note, is still an unknown. If you are going to have an offense with 450+ called rushes a year then you should keep stocking the talent well there. I personally would prefer to not have a featured back like McCoy and instead keep feeding late rounders into the meat grinder, but it has worked so far.

[YardRat]

Well... obviously. I shaved almost 120 plays off our season total, of course we are going to fall down the raw rankings. My point is that even with all the QB rushes removed (and all the broken plays) we still finished above average in rushing and top 5 in efficiency. That's not all from Taylor, or line does a good job at run blocking. I would have definitely preferred to add more OL talent, though after the 4th round a team should be going BPA regardless of position.



Our top two backs have concussion histories and Gilleslie, while he ended on a good note, is still an unknown. If you are going to have an offense with 450+ called rushes a year then you should keep stocking the talent well there. I personally would prefer to not have a featured back like McCoy and instead keep feeding late rounders into the meat grinder, but it has worked so far.


That's kind of the point...'above average' (and barely, at that) is not = to 'the best', or a #1 ranking, and shouldn't be used as a barometer for how good the offensive line allegedly is. Personally, instead of continuously using draft picks on RB's for whatever reason I'd prefer to use those resources on improving the offensive line so (generally speaking) it doesn't really matter much who gets plugged in to run the ball they are still going to have better than average success.

[YardRat]

I don't totally disagree, but again, they are probably picking BPA at that point - not based on need. That HAS to be the reason they went with the RB (which I hated). But it also may be that they rated the remaining OL as poor. The left side of our Oline is solid. It's the right side that could be a little more stable. But again, there were injuries last year that caused some changes there. I, for one, think Miller will be better this yr and Henderson looked good at times...needs to be more consistent, but there's definitely potential. I think next yr we need to draft Wood's replacement...

Need is always a factor, regardless of what somebody else would lead another to believe.

[stuckincincy]

Need is always a factor, regardless of what somebody else would lead another to believe.

Indeed it is. As the Bills were replacing serviceable running back after back, I used to make an analogy: don't go out and buy fancy new windows if your foundation has cracks.

[DraftBoy]

No, you're right. He was moved alot and has played NT, but it's not his real position. I probably should have said Haloti-sized NT. But frankly, it matters little. We already have a huge space eater on the roster if Rex was really interested in implementing the traditional NT position. TJ Barnes is 6'7 and like 364 lbs. Everything Rex is showing has everyone up front being able to penetrate with a run stuffing ILB in Ragland to stop anyone from coming through. Frankly, I like how the defense looks...atleast on paper.

You keep mentioning Barnes because of his size, but have you seen him play? I watched him at Georgia Tech and for a big guy he showed no ability to push the pocket, had less athleticism than Micheal Jasper, and could be blocked one on one. To be an effective space eater you have to be more than just 320+ lbs. and I don't think Barnes is that guy.

[mysticsoto]

You keep mentioning Barnes because of his size, but have you seen him play? I watched him at Georgia Tech and for a big guy he showed no ability to push the pocket, had less athleticism than Micheal Jasper, and could be blocked one on one. To be an effective space eater you have to be more than just 320+ lbs. and I don't think Barnes is that guy.

I only mention him b'cse there wasn't really any one in the draft that fit that traditional NT mold. He is still young (25) with only 2 yrs experience and could develop into that kind of guy. But it doesn't really matter, b'cse that's not what Rex really wants to implement anyway. With the guys he has and scheme he's going for, TJ will probably get next to no play (barring injuries).

[DraftBoy]

I only mention him b'cse there wasn't really any one in the draft that fit that traditional NT mold. He is still young (25) with only 2 yrs experience and could develop into that kind of guy. But it doesn't really matter, b'cse that's not what Rex really wants to implement anyway. With the guys he has and scheme he's going for, TJ will probably get next to no play (barring injuries).

I would honestly be surprised if he makes the roster. I get your point though.

[mysticsoto]

I would honestly be surprised if he makes the roster. I get your point though.

I was just thinking about this late yesterday and wondering if the UDFA Justin Zimmer might edge him out as a prospect better fitting for Rex's defense to make the roster...