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  • elroy16
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    • May 2014
    • 145

    Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

    I looked around for this article/interview, but didn't see it posted. There's interesting stuff from someone who played and excelled in Rex's system.





    On Reggie Ragland being the soul of Buffalo’s defense he once was: “And that’s what he’s looking for. He’s got great players on that side but he’s looking for a heartbeat. That’s what he’s looking for. I think Reggie has the potential to do that. He has the mentality and the heart to do that.


    On individual sacrifice in Ryan’s defense: “I tell people all the time that the easiest thing to get in football is stats. The easiest thing. But who are you going to screw to get them? Instead of setting the edge, are you going to rush the passer every time for the one sack you get in a game? If you get one sack a game, that’s 16 sacks. That’s a tremendous season, right? But how many times are you going to give up a big run because you’re getting up the field and they’re running right past you, right in-between? That’s why I tell people that Terrell Suggs was one of the best outside linebacker combination guys to ever do it. Because I watched guys on the Colts sprint up the field for years. Yeah, they go to the Pro Bowl and have a lot of gaudy numbers but they’re the 20th ranked defense in the league. Suggs was able to do that on the No. 1-ranked, the No. 2-ranked because he did it when he was supposed to. He got his sacks after he did his job. It wasn’t ‘get in a wide 9 and just get up the field.’ You’ve got to play the run on the way to the sack.”


    On players not buying in here: “So when the conversation started and some of the leaders like Mario speak out and they say ‘This isn’t working’ or ‘this works and this doesn’t work,’ who’s there to tell them ‘No, no. You’re wrong. Sit down?’ So when we were in Baltimore, we started 3-3 and then lost like three straight but you had me there, you had Marques Douglas there, you had guys saying ‘No, no, no. We do it this way. We’re all in this together. We’re not deviating from the plan because it works.’ He didn’t have that. But now he’s got some guys like Sammy Watkins who spoke up on his behalf. He had other players on the defense who spoke up on his behalf.
    “ Now if that happens this year, you’ll have that ‘Whoa, whoa, whoa.’ He has his own guys now. These are my guys now. And also he has the greatest safety to ever play the game sitting there coaching going ‘Whoa, whoa, whoa, nah, nah, nah. Not only did this system get me to the Hall of Fame’ but this system, I think the worst I ever finished — and this is with Ray Lewis hurt, Ed Reed hurt, Chris McAlister hurt — was seventh in my career. I think I finished first four times, second a bunch of times and third a bunch of times. This was in Baltimore and New York. So you can’t just say ‘Of course. You had Ray Lewis.’ No, no, no. A lot of this stuff happened with our Hall of Fame players getting pulled hamstrings out for the season.


    The proof is in the pudding. Does everyone on defense buy in and we see the Bills defense turn into a top 10 unit and lead them to the playoffs? Or has Rex's system been figured out and the defense is doomed regardless of whether or not the players buy in?
  • EDS
    Registered User
    • Jan 2003
    • 5216

    #2
    Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

    Originally posted by elroy16 View Post
    I looked around for this article/interview, but didn't see it posted. There's interesting stuff from someone who played and excelled in Rex's system.









    The proof is in the pudding. Does everyone on defense buy in and we see the Bills defense turn into a top 10 unit and lead them to the playoffs? Or has Rex's system been figured out and the defense is doomed regardless of whether or not the players buy in?
    When was the last "top 10" Rex Ryan defense and how are we defining "top 10" for this purposes?

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    • sukie
      Seriously?
      • Sep 2012
      • 21509

      #3
      Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

      " Top Ten List " ala Daaaaaaaaaaaavid Letterman!!!

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      • Joe Fo Sho
        Making Spirits Bright
        • Mar 2006
        • 6194

        #4
        Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

        Originally posted by EDS View Post
        When was the last "top 10" Rex Ryan defense and how are we defining "top 10" for this purposes?
        Using the yards per play metric, Rex Ryan defenses have been in the top 10 every year since 2005 except the last 2 seasons. That includes the top defense twice, and in the top 5 six times.

        2015 - 24th
        2014 - 14th
        2013 - 9th
        2012 - 6th
        2011 - 4th
        2010 - 3rd
        2009 - 1st
        2008 - 3rd
        2007 - 8th
        2006 - 1st
        2005 - 2nd

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        • Turf
          Registered User
          • Jul 2002
          • 8378

          #5
          Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

          I remember the one game we lost where Mario didn't play his role and the HB caught an easy swing pass into the end zone while Mario was rushing to the QB. I remember how pissed Ryan was on the sideline. Perfect example of not buying in.
          Lou Saban: You can get it done, you can get it done. And what’s more, you’ve gotta get it done.

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          • Joe Fo Sho
            Making Spirits Bright
            • Mar 2006
            • 6194

            #6
            Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

            Originally posted by Turf View Post
            I remember the one game we lost where Mario didn't play his role and the HB caught an easy swing pass into the end zone while Mario was rushing to the QB. I remember how pissed Ryan was on the sideline. Perfect example of not buying in.
            That was the New England night game, right before half time. Rex did everything but call out Mario in his TV interview on the way to the locker room at half time.

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            • YardRat
              Well, lookie here...
              • Dec 2004
              • 86161

              #7
              Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

              Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
              Using the yards per play metric, Rex Ryan defenses have been in the top 10 every year since 2005 except the last 2 seasons. That includes the top defense twice, and in the top 5 six times.

              2015 - 24th
              2014 - 14th
              2013 - 9th
              2012 - 6th
              2011 - 4th
              2010 - 3rd
              2009 - 1st
              2008 - 3rd
              2007 - 8th
              2006 - 1st
              2005 - 2nd
              So Bart Scott basically says statistics are meaningless, but to 'prove' Wrecks is a defensive genius we have to pull out...wait for it...a statistic.

              Wanna see Wrecks' win/loss record after leaving Baltimore?
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              • Joe Fo Sho
                Making Spirits Bright
                • Mar 2006
                • 6194

                #8
                Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                So Bart Scott basically says statistics are meaningless, but to 'prove' Wrecks is a defensive genius we have to pull out...wait for it...a statistic.

                Wanna see Wrecks' win/loss record after leaving Baltimore?
                Bart Scott actually is talking about the difference between individual statistics and...wait for it...team statistics.

                All I did was answer a question, the topic was regarding defense not win total.

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                • YardRat
                  Well, lookie here...
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 86161

                  #9
                  Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                  Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
                  Bart Scott actually is talking about the difference between individual statistics and...wait for it...team statistics.

                  All I did was answer a question, the topic was regarding defense not win total.
                  I wasn't mocking you for using a statistic, I was mocking the necessity to use a statistic to 'prove' Wrecks is a 'genius'.
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                  #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                  #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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                  • gebobs
                    One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 11520

                    #10
                    Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                    On Reggie Ragland being the soul of Buffalo’s defense he once was
                    Um...what? Has the fabric of time ripped around OBD?
                    Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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                    • YardRat
                      Well, lookie here...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86161

                      #11
                      Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                      Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                      Um...what? Has the fabric of time ripped around OBD?
                      Shhhh...it's an alternative universe scenario. Bart Scott played for Buffalo, and Wrecks was a good head coach.
                      YardRat Wall of Fame
                      #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                      #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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                      • Turf
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 8378

                        #12
                        Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                        Originally posted by Joe Fo Sho View Post
                        That was the New England night game, right before half time. Rex did everything but call out Mario in his TV interview on the way to the locker room at half time.
                        Yep, right before half time. Thank you.
                        Lou Saban: You can get it done, you can get it done. And what’s more, you’ve gotta get it done.

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                        • Mace
                          Haha...yeah you think so ?
                          • Mar 2013
                          • 20315

                          #13
                          Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                          Well, I think teams have figured out Ryan flavored defenses. I don't know though that Ryan can't improvise within the only scheme he wants to use.

                          In 2015 you had KC (7), Buf (19) Cleve (27), NO (31). KC is Ryan theory not scheme. Jets moved up two places not using it, Buf dropped 15 using it.

                          In 2014 you had NYJ (6), KC (7), Cleve (23), NO (31). Sort of tells me KC is on the right track using theory not scheme. Buf improved 6 places not using it.

                          In 2013 you had NO (4), Buf (10), NYJ (11), KC (24), NO was installing it, KC was installing the theory, Pettine was installing it.

                          Sort of have to remove KC for using theory not scheme, though it looks like the aggressive theory is sound. NO and Cleveland were just hapless so it comes down to the talent on Buf and NYJ, the Jets being mature in the scheme, Buf having better talent to not use it. But the Jets improved not using it in a brand new scheme.

                          I think the better more experienced HC's and/or QB's know how to work it by now. Reminds me of Jauron coming in with the once shiny but declining Tampa-2 and being unable to not use it.

                          On the other hand, moving up from 19th with some different talent, and vet experience in the system, shouldn't be so impossible, unless the teams in our division who have seen it or used it regularly for years know how to watch film of beating it.

                          My conclusion. Airball. Maybe you get the swish, maybe it sails over the top of the backboard. I don't like Ryans. I'm still hoping for the swish. Nothing to do now but wait and see.

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                          • elroy16
                            Registered User
                            • May 2014
                            • 145

                            #14
                            Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                            If they can shave off 3 points per game, they'll be around 10th in the league. Considering the amount of TDs given up where someone looked lost or got yelled at for an obvious mistake, I don't think that's unreasonable.

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                            • Mace
                              Haha...yeah you think so ?
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 20315

                              #15
                              Re: Bart Scott on Rex's system, individual sacrifice, etc

                              Originally posted by elroy16 View Post
                              If they can shave off 3 points per game, they'll be around 10th in the league. Considering the amount of TDs given up where someone looked lost or got yelled at for an obvious mistake, I don't think that's unreasonable.
                              I'm not optimistic, that's my nature by now, but they aren't hopeless and I don't think being around 10th in the league is unreasonable. Not sure it's likely, but can't see it out of the equation either.

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