Shaq & Adolphus scouting reports

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From Lavoie at Rumblings. They are both in line with my previous perspective, but are good offseason football reads even if you want to disagree with them because they pretty much spell out what you want to agree or disagree with about either guy.

Shaq : http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2016/5/15/11673640/shaq-lawson-pass-rushing-reads-scouting-nfl-pass-rushers

Adolphus : http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2016/5/15/11589742/adolphus-washington-2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-buffalo-bills

On Adolphus, I'm not going to complain about him again, but I think it's interesting that of 3 articles I read mentioning him this weekend, two mention him as an end opposite Kyle and only one as a nose. I was pretty sure they didn't draft him as a 3-4 end. Might vex me more if they did. I think he belongs in the middle of Kyle and Dareus in Ryan's not 3-4, 3-4.

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From Lavoie at Rumblings. They are both in line with my previous perspective, but are good offseason football reads even if you want to disagree with them because they pretty much spell out what you want to agree or disagree with about either guy.

Shaq : http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2016/5/15/11673640/shaq-lawson-pass-rushing-reads-scouting-nfl-pass-rushers

Adolphus : http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-bills-analysis-all-22/2016/5/15/11589742/adolphus-washington-2016-nfl-draft-scouting-report-buffalo-bills

On Adolphus, I'm not going to complain about him again, but I think it's interesting that of 3 articles I read mentioning him this weekend, two mention him as an end opposite Kyle and only one as a nose. I was pretty sure they didn't draft him as a 3-4 end. Might vex me more if they did. I think he belongs in the middle of Kyle and Dareus in Ryan's not 3-4, 3-4.

Rex's system is a 5-2 more so than a 3-4. in the 5-2 you have Linebackers down in a 3 point stance rushing the passer or setting the edge as a d-end would do so Kyle and Dareus will be playing inside as usual.

Hisorically, there are two significant variations of the 5–2 defense in professional and college football. The first is the defense created byEarle (Greasy) Neale (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greasy_Neale).[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-2) This defense was prominent in the National Football League from the late 1940s through the middle 1950s and was a precursor defense toBuddy Ryan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Ryan)'s 46 defense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/46_defense).[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-3) Paul Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Brown)describes the defense as having a tight five man line, and linebackers who were to jam offensive ends as they came off the line.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-4) Brown goes on to say that the use of four defensive backs was innovative at the time. By 1950, the base defense of NFL teams were five man line defenses, either the 5-2 Eagle or the 5-3-3 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-3_defense).[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-5)
The 5-2 Eagle has a (passing) hole in the middle of the defense, usually dealt with by having outside linebackers jam the ends. Offenses countered by using slot backs instead of tight ends.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-6) Consequently, teams began to experiment, around 1954, with pulling the middle guard back a couple yards and putting him in a 2 point stance. The success of the New York Giants in 1956 with their base 4-3 lead to a rapid conversion to the 4-3 in 1957. Almost all teams switched to the new defense at that time.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-7)
Note that in this defense, if you pull the middle guard and replace him with a middle linebacker, you get to an early version of the 4-3 defense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-3_defense).[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-8) Conversely, if you take a 4-3 defense and replace the middle linebacker with a middle guard, then you convert a 4-3 into a 5-2 Eagle. This latter switch is historically significant in two games. The first is the 49ers game in 1961 with the Chicago Bears (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Bears), where Bill George (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_George_(American_football_player))assumed a middle guard position and wrecked the 49ers shotgun offense.[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-9)[10] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-10)[11] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-11) In 1971, George Allen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Allen_(American_football_coach)) pulled his middle linebacker, replacing him with defensive lineman Manny Sistrunk, defeating Green Bay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers) in a playoff game with his unexpected five man front, shutting down the Packers' powerful rushing combination of John Brockington (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brockington) andMacArthur Lane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacArthur_Lane).[12] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%E2%80%932_defense#cite_note-12)


Linebackers also may play on the line of scrimmage, hold up offensive ends, and still cover their pass zones when the quarterback fades to pass. This defensive scheme was employed with great success by Coach "Greasy" Neale of the Philadelphia Eagles' professional football team.

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Rex's system is a 5-2 more so than a 3-4. in the 5-2 you have Linebackers down in a 3 point stance rushing the passer or setting the edge as a d-end would do so Kyle and Dareus will be playing inside as usual..

Well yes, this is my favorite article explaining it. http://buildingtheherd.com/film-room/buffalo-bills-playbook-defensive-fronts-player-responsibilities-where-to-improve-going-forward/

I'd rather have Dareus at 5 tech than the limited Washington. Washington's admitted strength is tying people up, and that's just 0 tech.

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I still see Washington as a rotational pass rusher, depending on the down and distance. He's not here to stuff the run at all.

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I still see Washington as a rotational pass rusher, depending on the down and distance. He's not here to stuff the run at all.

Washington was a decent, versatile DL for OSU. Likely worth a 3rd round pick with the aging K. Williams - these days it pays to replenish the DL IMO.

It's always difficult to get a handle on players that labor for these loaded college clubs. I'm not sure BUF was looking for a "run stopper." If so, they could have opted for Billings. Or bought (twice) current CIN DT Pat Sims for a relative song.

If that's what they wanted.

I still am scratching my head at their selection of Arkansas RB J. Williams in preference to AZ's OL Westerman. Makes me wonder if McCoy is going to be on the outs...


And I still can't make sense about the move up for Watkins. They coulda grabbed Kahil Mack with that move - a move that would have changed this year's draft pick priorities. Substantially.

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I still am scratching my head at their selection of Arkansas RB J. Williams in preference to AZ's OL Westerman. Makes me wonder if McCoy is going to be on the outs...


He was a 2nd to 3rd round value, according to everything I'm reading. His 2014 film is very impressive, with his ability to make sharp cuts and drag would be tacklers. These street FA's like Gillislee and Wilder were not the answer, plus Karlos Williams is good in short spurts but had past concussion issues.

I don't mind these draft flyers on Saturday. Hell, even Cardale Jones was the 43rd and last pick of the extended 4th round, so he's basically a 5th round gamble.

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He was a 2nd to 3rd round value, according to everything I'm reading. His 2014 film is very impressive, with his ability to make sharp cuts and drag would be tacklers. These street FA's like Gillislee and Wilder were not the answer, plus Karlos Williams is good in short spurts but had past concussion issues.

I don't mind these draft flyers on Saturday. Hell, even Cardale Jones was the 43rd and last pick of the extended 4th round, so he's basically a 5th round gamble.

Gillislee avg'd like 8 ypc. He's more than a capable 2nd-3rd RB. Wasting a mid round pick on a RB that didn't even play last year is dumb. Unless they plan on trading McCoy, there's no logical explanation for it, IMO.